Fix 2h stab

[Vibe]

2h stab has a quite longe recovery time. But weakest stab ingame?

Hmm, here i have my good, old knife with oh 21 pierce stab damage.
Ok, this was a bit unfair because it is a slashing weapon. Lets take a look at my stabbing toys.
Look my short sword with 26 pierce, yeah it is a tie, or my dagger 25 pierce, well it beat at least the danish one.

The main issue is that you can drag the point in your enemy without any problems and not the strange animation timing.

What is this crap I'm reading?
I was comparing top pierce damage weapons of each type. What were you doing, I really want to know.

[Laufknoten]

2h stab is the weakest in the game:
German Greatsword - 26 pierce
Long Espada Eslavona - 28 pierce
Poleaxe - 31 pierce

At least they almost never bounce. You have to be in an extremely shitty position to let a 2h slash or stab bounce, it's just ridiculous. I'm just tired of those 2h lobbyists who already have the most powerful ez-mode class and still complain about everything. I get absurd bounces with my side sword or other thrust-1hs, while you have the lol-stab and other exploitable game mechanic-fails.
 

[Vibe]

At least they almost never bounce. You have to be in an extremely shitty position to let a 2h slash or stab bounce, it's just ridiculous. I'm just tired of those 2h lobbyists who already have the most powerful ez-mode class and still complain about everything. I get absurd bounces with my side sword or other thrust-1hs, while you have the lol-stab and other exploitable game mechanic-fails.

If this was targeted at me:
First off, I'm not lobbying for ANY 2h buff. Second, I am lobbying for 1h stab glance fix actually (go thru my posts). Third, 2h stab is the weakest DAMAGE WISE. Fixed my post to reflect this thought before more people go screaming "2h lobbyist" and whatnot.

[Dexxtaa]

To be fair, the delayed lightsaber stabs are pretty annoying to deal with.

[Laufknoten]

If this was targeted at me:
First off, I'm not lobbying for ANY 2h buff. Second, I am lobbying for 1h stab glance fix actually (go thru my posts). Third, 2h stab is the weakest DAMAGE WISE. Fixed my post to reflect this thought before more people go screaming "2h lobbyist" and whatnot.

It was not directly targeted at you.
And damage is only one factor. Animation and weight are also important and that's what makes 2h stabs strong. The pike has "only" 24 pierce damage, but it's thrust is devastating cause of the weight and animation. Sure, the 30 pierce thrust of the espada eslavona is powerful too, but only 1 weight and the animation make it bounce quite often.

[Vibe]

It was not directly targeted at you.
And damage is only one factor. Animation and weight are also important and that's what makes 2h stabs strong. The pike has "only" 24 pierce damage, but it's thrust is devastating cause of the weight and animation. Sure, the 30 pierce thrust of the espada eslavona is powerful too, but only 1 weight and the animation make it bounce quite often.

True. But stab is not what makes 2h strong, it's more the fast animations and hiltslashing. 2h stab was balanced LONG ago. Except this longer active time makes it even stupider.

[Dezilagel]

Using my 2h, I can hit just as fast as my polearm guy by turning my stab. What the animation change balanced out is that I'm not able to hit at fully extended range with my 2h lightning fast.

And I honestly consider that a fair tradeoff BUT, I think 2h in general should get like +1/+2 pts of stab damage. Some of the glances against heavier armor are quite silly, but then, armor is OP in melee atm imo.

[Mala]

What is this crap I'm reading?
I was comparing top pierce damage weapons of each type. What were you doing, I really want to know.

No you have picked two examples which are supposed to prove your claims, and i did the same.

But ok, if you want to change the rules, then in this case the high tier long espada eslavona has only 27 cut damage one of the weakest swing attacks, which can even wiff at peasant armour.

[Turkhammer]

Using my 2h, I can hit just as fast as my polearm guy by turning my stab. What the animation change balanced out is that I'm not able to hit at fully extended range with my 2h lightning fast.

And I honestly consider that a fair tradeoff BUT, I think 2h in general should get like +1/+2 pts of stab damage. Some of the glances against heavier armor are quite silly, but then, armor is OP in melee atm imo.

That's what heavy armor does!  Geez, complaining about not hurting heavy armor with a sword. 

[Dezilagel]

That's what heavy armor does!  Geez, complaining about not hurting heavy armor with a sword.

Well, then why does armor sucks vs. ranged in comparison?

http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,16201.0.html

[Zisa]

2h stab is fine

All stabs are horseshit when they can be curveballs or swept through an opponent.

[Vibe]

No you have picked two examples which are supposed to prove your claims, and i did the same.

But ok, if you want to change the rules, then in this case the high tier long espada eslavona has only 27 cut damage one of the weakest swing attacks, which can even wiff at peasant armour.

This discussion was about stab, if I recall correctly, not swing.

[Mala]

Ok, then i take an high tier nordic champion sword with a stab damage of 21p.

[Vibe]

Ok, then i take an high tier nordic champion sword with a stab damage of 21p.

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AGAIN:
I was comparing top stab damage weapons of all types. Is NCS a top stab damage 1h? No it isn't.

I don't know what you're trying to pull here, but you're failing.

[CaptainQuantum]

I must say I never cared for the damage, yes it could do with being balanced with the pole stabs. But what I want is for stabs to be less risky, because seeing people only use side swings and hiltslash all day is really killing my melee fun now. Backpedalling too kills the fun but thats harder to fix even if it is more retarded.