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Re: Fucked up heirloom exchange...
« Reply #60 on: October 21, 2011, 06:35:59 pm »
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Good thread would read again.

Your never getting it back. I highly doubt that many of the people in this thread would give the item back either.

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Re: Fucked up heirloom exchange...
« Reply #61 on: October 21, 2011, 06:40:02 pm »
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Because Dezi is polearm user i have no sympathy for him whatsoever.

That's the only reason.
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Re: Fucked up heirloom exchange...
« Reply #62 on: October 21, 2011, 07:06:40 pm »
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This basically. I still think Turmoil should give it back but that's up to him. He's not a cheater or scammer if he keeps it. It does reflect on his personality and character and will affect how he and his clan are viewed by others. And their reputation is going down the drain fast which is a punishment in itself.

All and only this.

I personally think TurmoilTom is doing the wrong thing as the benefits of giving the item back are greater than those of keeping it. Whether he feels like a douchebag or not is his own business, and I will not argue about that. Unlike most people here, I do not strive to impose my morals to this others. However, I am aware of them, usually agree with them and act accordingly.

By being the first accepting the deal, one doesn't break any moral or mod rule, as being the first to accept also can mean you are the one making sure the owner of the object gets it back. There will always be someone ready to accept and keep the item for himself, so if you want the world to be a better place (giving it back), you must try to be the first as well.


To all of you claiming he must be banned for infringing the "being an asshat" rule...

What about all the asshats on the roof ? What about all the lvl 25 permarespec asshats ? What about all the asshats exploiting every cRPG and Strategus bug as much as possible ? There is no asshat rule, and I never heard about someone punished because of it. If there was one, all the mentioned behavior would have been punished.


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Wow, you must be a sad person living a sad life.

You bring up a few situations strategus as examples, but those are completely different things. The purpose of the strategus game is to vie for power, you aim to wipe out the other factions and seize as much power/land for your faction (or yourself) as possible. Attacking weak towns/raiding caravans is an accepted part of the game, striking where the enemy is the weakest is one of the central ideas of any strategy game.


The problem lies here. For some people, the marketplace is a game, and it's purpose is exactly that : "The purpose of the (marketplace) game is to vie for power, you aim to (...) seize as much power (...) as possible". And the same principles apply : "Attacking weak (buyers/sellers) is an accepted part of the game, striking where the enemy is the weakest is one of the central ideas of any strategy game".

The thing is, just like in Strategus, all the people are playing in the same kindergarden. Read : sharks together with responsible family men. The responsible family man isn't interested that much in the economy or the secrets of the marketplace, isn't trained to use it and will make mistakes. Most of the shark money comes from these errors, and sometimes from other sharks.

The market itself can't really ensure there are no errors. Sure the one we have isn't good, but nevertheless, the main reason there are that many "scams" or unwanted deals is because people are getting careless sometimes, or simply don't realise the consequences.
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Re: Fucked up heirloom exchange...
« Reply #63 on: October 21, 2011, 08:15:11 pm »
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Well, Kafein, just to clarify, my point was that exploiting people's mistakes is to be equalled to cheesing in strategus, not dismissing the fact that the marketplace is often veiwed as a struggle for power.

And nothing wrong with that really, playing a market game can be loads of fun.

But exploiting mastakes isn't really "part" of the game now is it? That was my point.

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Re: Fucked up heirloom exchange...
« Reply #64 on: October 21, 2011, 08:30:21 pm »
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Well, Kafein, just to clarify, my point was that exploiting people's mistakes is to be equalled to cheesing ("exploiting" if you want) in strategus, not dismissing the fact that the marketplace is often weived as a struggle for power.

And nothing wrong with that really, playing a market game can be loads of fun.

But exploiting mastakes isn't really "part" of the game now is it? That was my point.

At least for me (and probably for many people), exploiting evident price input errors isn't part of the game. But as I said, I will not debate about it being morally right or not. Personally, I would give the item back, because I would be happy doing it. I only think that it should be not officially punished as if it was, it would only show a lack of coherence in the game rules.

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Re: Fucked up heirloom exchange...
« Reply #65 on: October 21, 2011, 08:33:26 pm »
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At least for me (and probably for many people), exploiting evident price input errors isn't part of the game. But as I said, I will not debate about it being morally right or not. Personally, I would give the item back, because I would be happy doing it. I only think that it should be not officially punished as if it was, it would only show a lack of coherence in the game rules.

And I as I said, according to the game rules, he hasn't done anything wrong. No need to argue that.

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Re: Fucked up heirloom exchange...
« Reply #66 on: October 21, 2011, 08:38:35 pm »
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And I as I said, according to the game rules, he hasn't done anything wrong. No need to argue that.

So we miraculously came to an agreement ?  :twisted:

Or did we agree from the beginning ?  :lol:

Anyway, good luck to you. I really wish you will recover your loomed items just like all the others that did unwanted deals.

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Re: Fucked up heirloom exchange...
« Reply #67 on: October 21, 2011, 08:41:48 pm »
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So we miraculously came to an agreement ?  :twisted:

Or did we agree from the beginning ?  :lol:

Anyway, good luck to you. I really wish you will recover your loomed items just like all the others that did unwanted deals.

Thx man :)

Yeah, I think both just misinterpreted what the other one said.
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Re: Fucked up heirloom exchange...
« Reply #68 on: October 22, 2011, 01:14:20 am »
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I do hope that Haven recognizes that it is this by which others will judge them.

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Re: Fucked up heirloom exchange...
« Reply #69 on: October 22, 2011, 01:15:08 am »
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Re: Fucked up heirloom exchange...
« Reply #70 on: October 22, 2011, 08:26:08 pm »
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Re: Fucked up heirloom exchange...
« Reply #71 on: October 22, 2011, 09:42:45 pm »
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Never have I seen such pissing and moaning in a thread.  :lol:

You made a mistake, man up and accept it.

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Re: Fucked up heirloom exchange...
« Reply #72 on: October 22, 2011, 10:49:31 pm »
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Never have I seen such pissing and moaning in a thread.  :lol:

You made a mistake, man up and accept it.
Easy to say that but your not the one that lost LORDLY CASED GREAVES.

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Re: Fucked up heirloom exchange...
« Reply #73 on: October 22, 2011, 10:57:19 pm »
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Never have I seen such pissing and moaning in a thread.  :lol:

You made a mistake, man up and accept it.

Man up? If I messed up that bad I'd be fucking pissed. It takes me 1 month+ to retire (if I even retire). That for me would have been a lot of wasted time.

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Re: Fucked up heirloom exchange...
« Reply #74 on: October 23, 2011, 04:32:32 am »
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Man up? If I messed up that bad I'd be fucking pissed. It takes me 1 month+ to retire (if I even retire). That for me would have been a lot of wasted time.

Well, that sucks. I lose it due to idiocy it's my fault. I won't make that mistake again.
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This isn't the first time it's happened. People at this point should be MORE than aware. If  they aren't.....
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