This basically. I still think Turmoil should give it back but that's up to him. He's not a cheater or scammer if he keeps it. It does reflect on his personality and character and will affect how he and his clan are viewed by others. And their reputation is going down the drain fast which is a punishment in itself.
All and only this.
I personally think TurmoilTom is doing the
wrong thing as the benefits of giving the item back are greater than those of keeping it. Whether he feels like a douchebag or not is his own business, and I will not argue about that. Unlike most people here, I do not strive to impose my morals to this others. However, I am aware of them, usually agree with them and act accordingly.
By being the first accepting the deal, one doesn't break any moral or mod rule, as being the first to accept also can mean you are the one making sure the owner of the object gets it back. There will
always be someone ready to accept and keep the item for himself, so if you want the world to be a better place (giving it back), you must try to be the first
as well.
To all of you claiming he must be banned for infringing the "being an asshat" rule...
What about all the asshats on the roof ? What about all the lvl 25 permarespec asshats ? What about all the asshats exploiting every cRPG and Strategus bug as much as possible ? There is no asshat rule, and I never heard about someone punished because of it. If there was one, all the mentioned behavior would have been punished.
Well. Fucking. Written. DONT give him his crappy item back, DONT apologise. He fucked up. Now he is mad cause he didn't even bother to check everything twice. If he valued some shitty line of code on a game so much he should have taken the time and care to not have it taken from him. Same thing in real life: Dont want your wallet taken? Dont leave it lying around. It's not a crime to pick up money you find in the street. It's not even immoral to not hand it in to the police: Do you honestly believe they would try to return it?? No. They would not. The world is a nasty place, the internet the MORE so because all those shitty little rat bastards too AFRAID to act on innitiative IRL for fear of repercussions (ie: getting smacked in the fucking head for mouthing off) feel it is ok to expound their bigoted views and act on any opportunity to take advantage of others: We all know this, it is not news to anyone: In a society where it is self evident ppl will kick you when you down simply because they can get away with it, YOU MUST WATCH YOUR BACK: this logically dictates that you protect yourself and your interests: when doing something as stupid as trading game items that you place "value" on, cover your ass and check it all twice, before you press submit. Common sense.
I see it like this: Heirlooms that I have, I will never trade away. They are mine, special to me, I EARNED them through dedication to this once brilliant mod (addmitedly the mod is going drastically downhill, all the more so since chadz listens too much to his lackeys).
I Especially will not trade to players who don't retire: They just want an OP character without having to sit thru lvls 1-20 of getting owned each gen. Likewise I will not buy items on the marketplace. I currently am gen (NoYB) on my main and only have about 15k: The rest?? I gave it away. It's monopoly money. It's no more real than real money, easier to get, and can't even buy me a loaf of bread of a bottle of milk. Dinners bought with crpg gold: NONE.
The fact that players value a few extra hitpoints or attack points shows how bad they are: If you cannot beat me with standard gear, you will not able to beat me with Heirlooms. I liked it when each person valued their heirlooms for their personal value, not for how much other ppl value them on the marketplace.
That Dezi even made this post cheapens the mod for me. And by contact it cheapens us all. You fucked up. You got fucked over because YOU fucked up. Tom didn't trick you or fool you. You have only yourself to blame. You don't deserve your item back. You don't even deserve my respect.
BTW I should state I have no affiliation to either of the parties in this dispute, but since it has been brought to public forum I feel the right to air my views. /endrant.
Wow, you must be a sad person living a sad life.
You bring up a few situations strategus as examples, but those are completely different things. The purpose of the strategus game is to vie for power, you aim to wipe out the other factions and seize as much power/land for your faction (or yourself) as possible. Attacking weak towns/raiding caravans is an accepted part of the game, striking where the enemy is the weakest is one of the central ideas of any strategy game.
The problem lies here. For some people, the marketplace
is a game, and it's purpose is exactly that : "The purpose of the (marketplace) game is to vie for power, you aim to (...) seize as much power (...) as possible". And the same principles apply : "Attacking weak (buyers/sellers) is an accepted part of the game, striking where the enemy is the weakest is one of the central ideas of any strategy game".
The thing is, just like in Strategus, all the people are playing in the same kindergarden. Read : sharks together with responsible family men. The responsible family man isn't interested that much in the economy or the secrets of the marketplace, isn't trained to use it and will make mistakes. Most of the shark money comes from these errors, and sometimes from other sharks.
The market itself can't really ensure there are no errors. Sure the one we have isn't good, but nevertheless, the main reason there are that many "scams" or unwanted deals is because people are getting careless sometimes, or simply don't realise the consequences.
