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Re: shieldbash
« Reply #45 on: February 02, 2011, 02:19:59 am »
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Onehanders would tk just as much if they had longer/more damaging weapons.

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Re: shieldbash
« Reply #46 on: February 02, 2011, 01:44:57 pm »
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    Christo I don't find the game frustrating. I find frustration in the 'lobbyists' who fight desired changes with abandon, rather than working with people to advance the dialectic and find balanced ways of implementing suggestions. I want the game to evolve and see the balance extend to more subtle and micro-scaled advantages and disadvantages, keeping tactics more important than finding the most effective 'build' in any 'class'.

   While I like 1h, I am not strictly biased towards it. Personally I just dislike the current shield balancing/representation, and I think it could be made better without vastly changing game balance.

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      I'd really like to see shield bash. I think it should have the same stun effect and only hit one person, but have shorter range and hit a bit faster and harder than a kick. Because the kicks go straight out but a shield bash goes on an inside-outside/guarded-unguarded arc, I don't think kicks should counter them, or that it should only be possible in a tight window. Kick already stuns through a raised shield.

      I want shield bash for box-in situations so a shielder can have a chance to make momentary breathing space when faced by multiple attackers, without the full exposure (time-wise) of a kick. I don't think it would break balance. It would give those with the skill to use it well a chance of getting out of some of the tight situations that are hard to fight out of with 1h&shield.

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Re: shieldbash
« Reply #47 on: February 02, 2011, 07:14:46 pm »
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Uhhh, OP do you know anything about combat whatsoever? How is a hunk of shit attached to your forearm going to have a longer range then a full snap kick? The range of motion is nowhere even near each other. Even a full cross swing can't compare in range of contact to a kick.

It makes no sense whatsoever, besides what's the point. If you want to roleplay some tough guy who can shield bash people just close your eyes when you click the kick hotkey.

:lol: You really think it's somehow strapped to the persons hand??? Holy shit. Hollywood fail. You should know that the method which shield is held in game is historically inaccurate. Shields are held in a center grip so they can be moved around and dont expose the person to hits when pulling weapons etc.  :lol: That way the the bash range would be comparable to kick range in game.
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Re: shieldbash
« Reply #48 on: February 02, 2011, 10:02:36 pm »
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i say why not, cav have their knock down slash kill, so whats the difference?

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Re: shieldbash
« Reply #49 on: February 02, 2011, 10:08:07 pm »
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:lol: You really think it's somehow strapped to the persons hand??? Holy shit. Hollywood fail. You should know that the method which shield is held in game is historically inaccurate. Shields are held in a center grip so they can be moved around and dont expose the person to hits when pulling weapons etc.  :lol: That way the the bash range would be comparable to kick range in game.

.... Regardless, it's not gonna have a longer range than a kick.
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Re: shieldbash
« Reply #50 on: February 02, 2011, 10:24:10 pm »
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.... Regardless, it's not gonna have a longer range than a kick.

Bucklerbash would challenge this statement. Besides, range is not most important thing.
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Re: shieldbash
« Reply #51 on: February 02, 2011, 10:26:07 pm »
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Bucklerbash would challenge this statement. Besides, range is not most important thing.

Really? How is your arm going to extend further than a kick, even if you have a buckler?
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Re: shieldbash
« Reply #52 on: February 02, 2011, 10:32:11 pm »
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Really? How is your arm going to extend further than a kick, even if you have a buckler?

Lean forward ?
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Re: shieldbash
« Reply #53 on: February 02, 2011, 10:37:20 pm »
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Lean forward ?

Uhh. You've never tried any sparring, or even watched any combat sports with both kicks and punches allowed, have you?
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Re: shieldbash
« Reply #54 on: February 02, 2011, 10:46:47 pm »
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Uhh. You've never tried any sparring, or even watched any combat sports with both kicks and punches allowed, have you?

I tried many times.

It would unbalance you like hell, your point ?
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Re: shieldbash
« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2011, 10:52:26 pm »
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I tried many times.

It would unbalance you like hell, your point ?

Point is that a kick outranges a punch. By a lot. K?
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Re: shieldbash
« Reply #56 on: February 02, 2011, 11:06:17 pm »
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Point is that a kick outranges a punch. By a lot. K?

Point is, where you want to hit, how much you want to expose yourself. In some cases, punch can outrange kick, relative distance matters.
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Re: shieldbash
« Reply #57 on: February 12, 2011, 04:20:20 am »
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   Bruce Lee's famous performance of the one-inch punch is the most poignant example of anything I would go on typing about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx9iPFMriz0

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Re: shieldbash
« Reply #58 on: February 12, 2011, 04:28:46 am »
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Shield Bash is more realistic than a Kick. DO IT!!!
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Re: shieldbash
« Reply #59 on: February 12, 2011, 07:13:12 am »
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:lol: You really think it's somehow strapped to the persons hand??? Holy shit. Hollywood fail. You should know that the method which shield is held in game is historically inaccurate. Shields are held in a center grip so they can be moved around and dont expose the person to hits when pulling weapons etc.  :lol: That way the the bash range would be comparable to kick range in game.

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Shield bash is much more historically accurate then a kick.  Archeologist founds plenty of dented skulls on Roman and Spartan battlefields to know that shield bash was used extensively by these warriors.  The only reason not to put it in is because ppl fear change. 
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