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Re: Horse Speed
« Reply #90 on: September 16, 2011, 05:56:03 pm »
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must be totally unplayable as a 1h cav.

When they destroyed HA a few patches ago they re-buffed cos it was just over-nerfed.  I hope they do same for 1h cav guys, cos this nerf has destroyed that class totally now, which is a shame (i'm lancer).
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Re: Horse Speed
« Reply #91 on: September 16, 2011, 05:57:59 pm »
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i want a respec if it stays like this, looms aswell please...
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Re: Horse Speed
« Reply #92 on: September 16, 2011, 05:58:10 pm »
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i want a respec if it stays like this, looms aswell please...

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Re: Horse Speed
« Reply #93 on: September 16, 2011, 05:58:48 pm »
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Dont worry this will bring more ha back into the game due to increased accuracy :P I'm a horse thrower and I am already seeing a huge improvement in top speed shooting... people will be crying about ha again before long :D
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Re: Horse Speed
« Reply #94 on: September 16, 2011, 05:59:35 pm »
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i want a respec if it stays like this, looms aswell please...

Im sorry lizard man but your not going to get a respec and heirloom reset each time stuff is changed, you have to put up with it like everyone else when there class is nerfed and use the market place.

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Re: Horse Speed
« Reply #95 on: September 16, 2011, 05:59:43 pm »
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Dont worry this will bring more ha back into the game due to increased accuracy :P I'm a horse thrower and I am already seeing a huge improvement in top speed shooting... people will be crying about ha again before long :D

True that is a buff to HA. I can now hit people a lot easier because I'm forced to be slow, rather than before I used to slow down myself if I needed to make a shot. However, it also means because of my low armour that I've been 1 shotted by long bows a number of times.

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Could increase my armour a bit, but honestly it's not worth the wpf penalty.

Regardless, I've been 1 shotted more by longbows and crossbows in the past hour or so than I have been for the past month.
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Re: Horse Speed
« Reply #96 on: September 16, 2011, 06:01:26 pm »
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When they destroyed HA a few patches ago they re-buffed cos it was just over-nerfed.

It's called tweaking. And yes, we're doing it.

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Re: Horse Speed
« Reply #97 on: September 16, 2011, 06:04:24 pm »
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I'm lobbying for polearm rearing removal and HP buff.
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Re: Horse Speed
« Reply #98 on: September 16, 2011, 06:07:14 pm »
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As 1h cav its really bad right now.   

IMO, we need more acceleration from a full stop. I have had swordsman hit me 3-4 times before I could get out of range.  Being able to very quickly accelerate to 1/3 or 1/2 speed and taking much longer to hit top speed would lessen the blow to 1h.  Also, a small buff to maneuverability at 25% speed or less would be great too.

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Re: Horse Speed
« Reply #99 on: September 16, 2011, 06:08:09 pm »
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thx for finally nerfing horses to the ground, only took you almost a year of constant nerfs.

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Re: Horse Speed
« Reply #100 on: September 16, 2011, 06:14:23 pm »
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Nice ideas for making cav more unique.

but i feels so slooooooow. anybody decent can see me coming, go take a pis and come back. please give charge damage increase. i crashed into two inf with my cataphract horse and stopped...and with slow acceleration no need to say i didnt manage to get away

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Re: Horse Speed
« Reply #101 on: September 16, 2011, 06:17:34 pm »
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Good change, horses are way too maneuverable, with less speed perhaps it'll balance more out.

It would make more sense to have the proper speed and just reduce maneuverability, if maneuverability is a problem.
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Re: Horse Speed
« Reply #102 on: September 16, 2011, 06:18:04 pm »
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Re: Horse Speed
« Reply #103 on: September 16, 2011, 06:22:37 pm »
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I just played this morning and then came on the forum to see what was happening...
after reading eveybody's post i post a few...opinions..ideas, or call it the way you want.
( btw i play heavy cav lance/morningstar, ... i m not a good player 1,5-1 kd ratio more or less )

The thing is everybody is speaking of cavalry as 1hand / lance / 2hand when we should speak of light / medium / heavy armored horses as a starting debate point:

- Light horse: it should be faster, accelerate more but be easily shootable ( when reached... and here is the speed and manouver question ) by archers.  ( a horse with no armour is equivalent to a naked person... )

- Medium and heavy: when more armour, more weight so less acceleration and a bit less top speed BUT ARMORED IS ARMORED.
I mean you should need the hell of arrows in order to kill an armored horse.

THEN we start speaking about playing styles:
You want a 1h on light horse: Be ready to maneuver a lot and evade all aware ennemies AS YOU HORSE HAS NO ARMOUR IT WILL DIE VEEEERRRRY FAST.  ( = More acceleration than before and more maneuver - Armour Same HP )

1h on heavy horse:  you are a close combat specialist... Your horse is a tank and normal arrows shouldnt even touch ( it s a way of speaking only...)  (= Less acceleration, same top speed same maneauver and MORE ARMOR AND HP)

Lance on light horse: more or less same thinking as 1handers... very fast and quick BUT very easily killable horse...

Lance on heavy horse: charging is your daily life: with the bonus to couch -should be a length bonus by the way, as some lances should be able to overpass by lenght any walking spearman- ( except some "Stop the cavalry specialists" with a 3 slot veeeery long pike for example ), you will charge the ennemy kill 1 and certainly be stopped by the others and then have to fight with your 1 hand or 2 hand weapon. ( your lack of maneuver will be compsated by the fact that you don t die in the fisrt approach )

HA: well, for sure they should go on fast horses and keep far away from infantry.... if they play on heavy cav, they take the risk of being quickly reached by light cav.

As a conclusion, i don t know if my thoughts are correct or not, but for sure some points of thinking:

a) everybody is speaking of cavalry as 1hand / lance / 2hand when we should speak of light / medium / heavy armored horses as a starting debate point

b) It's logic heavy horses have less acceleration ( because they are HEAVY ) but light horses????

c) if we are ok with b) then we are okay saying HEAVY horses are much more powerful in armour AND bumping damage.

d) if we had the fact of VERY high upkeep for heavy horses, there should be a HUGE difference between pros/contras between heavy/light horses. ( as huge as the upkeep difference at least ) and this way you will not see everybody with the same kind of horses ( 1hand / lance / HA )

e) Couch, as i said before pls buff reach.

f) Bumping: depending on horses again, but if you Bump an unaware player with a HEAVY Horse even at low speed that should hurt a lot....( of course it will be harder as your lack of acceleration and manouver will make it hard for somebody not to see you coming...


Hope this helps in thinking in new ways of thinking lol!!!




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Re: Horse Speed
« Reply #104 on: September 16, 2011, 06:24:01 pm »
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without maneuverability cavalry just kill people who don't see them or people who are engaged in combat already and while that is effective it is not fun to play as at all and it takes no skill. thanks for making the only skill required for cavalry now being aiming your lance correctly.