Cavalry is clearly way overpowered

[Reinhardt]

Get a pike.  Playing as cav on NA Servers isn't a cakewalk because people actually pay attention to cav.

So many goddamn ranged, costs of horse + armor is ridiculous, heirloomed courser even dies in 1-shot by crossbows 50% of the time.

It really is not OP. You took our hierloom bonus, our lance angle radius, and our stats and you want to take more? Just nerf HA again.


EDIT: Oh! Did I forget to mention the fact that 2handers, any polearms, and even 1handers can take down my horse with ease since my heavy lance loses like 100 reach while lancing forward (please keep in mind lancing forward is the ONLY direction that I can lance)?

[Gorath]

So many goddamn ranged, costs of horse + armor is ridiculous, heirloomed courser even dies in 1-shot by crossbows 50% of the time.

It really is not OP. You took our hierloom bonus, our lance angle radius, and our stats and you want to take more? Just nerf HA again.

I'm with ya man.  Cav doesn't need anymore nerfs.  We just need to force TW to give us a sound engine that isn't complete garbage.  Brb, I just heard an enemy infantry sneaking into the building two floors below me and to my rear-left in BF2:PR...

[Thucydides]

cav does not need a nerf. Dumbass players need a buff, like assisting a pikemen

[Reinhardt]

I'm with ya man.  Cav doesn't need anymore nerfs.  We just need to force TW to give us a sound engine that isn't complete garbage.  Brb, I just heard an enemy infantry sneaking into the building two floors below me and to my rear-left in BF2:PR...

While I CAN agree I've been killed several times as infantry by cavalry that was somewhat quiet, most of the time it was my own fault for not looking or assuming it was allied cav. What I'm saying is that we've been nerfed enough. Good cav is good cav, bad cav is bad cav, and good 2h spammers are good 2h spammers. Leave it as it is.

[Gorath]

While I CAN agree I've been killed several times as infantry by cavalry that was somewhat quiet

Again, it's not the volume or lack thereof it's the non-directional functionality that doesn't give you a clue as to location and distance of the cav you're hearing.  Volume is fine (other than cav across the map sounding just as loud as the one up your ass)

[Teeth]

I hereby declare that I never have to read Overdriven's posts in a balancing discussion again! Man, you can spit out a load of bull.

[Overdriven]

Actually I was speaking from the perspective of seeing so many coursers *coughHueycough* on the field going 200mph, stopping without slide and spinning 360 degrees in .2 seconds in order to attack any side at will.

Well still trying to give the benefit of the doubt that they're not just lobbying from bias.  It happens.  Hell Chaos is pretty anti-ranged yet we still feel it doesn't need anymore nerfs and in fact probably needs to change back to pierce damage (perhaps a slight reduction in the damage number to balance it if needed, but pierce nonetheless)....
just less people using it ffs.

Coursers really don't slow down that easily...maybe if you have very high riding. But with 6 riding and my champ courser I know curbing the speed is hard once you get going. They also take A LOT longer to reach that speed. They certainly don't have very good acceleration. I know Arabians can do what you describe though, champ ones especially. I've grown used to chasing lancers only to have them stop and double back and lance you within a split second. Fortunately I tend to be a lot more aware of that trick now.

O and had fun killing all those Chaos cavalry today in the Fallen vs Druzhina battle. It's always amusing to head shot guys on warhorses   

But yeah...I'm with you that the sound engine is the most crippling factor. Cav are impossible to tell directional. It makes it hard even as a cav player. But not a lot we can do really 

I hereby declare that I never have to read Overdriven's posts in a balancing discussion again! Man, you can spit out a load of bull.

Good for you. It'll be nice to read less of yours. You're so anti cav it makes my eyes hurt to read.

[Bulzur]

Pikemen seems to be real HEROES for the infantry. THE perfect anti-cav infantry. But that's BS.

It's not an anti-cav, it just acts as a scarecrow. And it doesn't even work from behind. I can't recall how many pikemen i saw getting mobed by two cav. And usually, the first suicide charge of one cav isn't real suicide if well-timed, cause the horse doesn't die in one hit. Then another cav comes, bumping/couching/thrusting/killing the pikeman.

Plus, you don't need to be AWARE to be a pikeman. You need to have a radar and eyes behind your back 24/24. The only way to actually kill cav as a pikeman, is to feint being afk, and have the awesome best timing to turn-thrust, stopping the cav, then doing two good thrusts on the horse (luckily not blocked by the player) and horse is dead. But now, with maneuver and jet ponies, it doesn't even work anymore.

You can't win being passive, and that's exactly what are pikemen. And seriously, playing as a pikeman is too much nervous and tired. Compared to the thrill of cav. I can't play more than 1h straight of pikeman without getting bored and tired. So yes, it's usefull for the team but it's bs for the player.
That's against cav, of course. Luckily, it's still enjoyable against infantry.
But when being a pikeman is more enjoyable against infantry than cav, then there's maybe something wrong.

Sound engine, of course, would help dearly our dear pikeman. It will lessen the stress to always look at the back and the sides, everytime, every second, every... *pikeman killed by horse archer*
omg. . . .

I even wonder why GK clan takes so much expanse trying to defend horses. I know some of them are decent enough to easily overcome a -2 maneuver, -2 speed nerf. But then, there are the others...

[Thucydides]

thats why range exists

[Fluffy_Muffin]

Good for you. It'll be nice to read less of yours. You're so anti cav it makes my eyes hurt to read.

It goes both ways ya know

[tankmen]

i ride around on a champion charger(at x5 only to pay upkeep), and frankly its over powered because i go faster than infantry, i get kills as well, wtf that clearly makes it op, the whole double edged sword charge i do which if they hit me does unbelievable amounts of damage back to me or my "armored" horse well frankly thats op as well, also i top the charts here n there when it should be 2hers topping the charts not me. The only way to fix cav is to prevent them from doing anything, just remove all horses except the sumpter then you wont die by cav and make these thread

[Gorath]

does unbelievable amounts of damage back to me or my "armored" horse well frankly thats op as well

Well to be fair, armored horses take a fucking billion hits from a 48c or 33p weapon to kill, and by merely having a shield equipped you are able to deploy an inpenetrable forcefield around even your horses ass preventing any and all melee hits from damaging the animal.

Just sayin.

[Overdriven]

Well to be fair, armored horses take a fucking billion hits from a 48c or 33p weapon to kill, and by merely having a shield equipped you are able to deploy an inpenetrable forcefield around even your horses ass preventing any and all melee hits from damaging the animal.

Just sayin.

Slow as anything though. One pike and you're surrounded by enemies and screwed cause you can't get out of there fast enough.

[Lorenzo_of_Iberia]

GK defend horses cause we are a dedicated cav clan simple enough! Cavalry was good where it was, then whiners did their whining and we got nerfed several times. They expected us to lie down and go off the radar, they are dissapointed to find that cav is still killing them even after the nerfs they have taken and it seems people fail to realise how its their actions that make it so easy for us If people keep whining they believe they can take us out of the game, maybe allowing them to forget how they have faults ?

Bottom line we defend horses because we put time and effort into being competent cavalry and people seem to want to nullify our experience and work...

[tankmen]

GK defend horses cause we are a dedicated cav clan simple enough! Cavalry was good where it was, then whiners did their whining and we got nerfed several times. They expected us to lie down and go off the radar, they are dissapointed to find that cav is still killing them even after the nerfs they have taken and it seems people fail to realise how its their actions that make it so easy for us If people keep whining they believe they can take us out of the game, maybe allowing them to forget how they have faults ?

Bottom line we defend horses because we put time and effort into being competent cavalry and people seem to want to nullify our experience and work...

gtfo your logic this is a whine thread