Cavalry is clearly way overpowered

[Reinhardt]

It worked on 2h'ers so why not cav? If someone feels something is OP they will say it. Me going on about long spear/pikes others cav. However I still think Long spear is a bigger issue I do feel that cavalry, and their ability to either 1 shot with a 1h by bumping and then slashing as the guy is locked in bump animation is very unfair. Also how lancers with a MW heavy lance can 1 hit kill without even couching is bogus.

What the-?

Going FULL speed on a horse that we pay an arm and a leg for (20k+ half the time) and a lance that costs 9k or so, I think we goddamn deserve to 1-shot people who run at us or are stationary. Cav top the scoreboards just as 2h spammers do. These threads are annoying, I might as well stay away again. I'll just wait for the next nerf, since clearly people will never stop bitching about classes being OP in this mod. :/

[Siiem]

What the-?

Going FULL speed on a horse that we pay an arm and a leg for (20k+ half the time) and a lance that costs 9k or so, I think we goddamn deserve to 1-shot people who run at us or are stationary. Cav top the scoreboards just as 2h spammers do. These threads are annoying, I might as well stay away again. I'll just wait for the next nerf, since clearly people will never stop bitching about classes being OP in this mod. :/

Not without couching you don't. If you couch someone sure you deserve that 1 hit kill but not with a stab.

[Chagan_Arslan]

Not without couching you don't. If you couch someone sure you deserve that 1 hit kill but not with a stab.

there is one guy that dont even die to couch "Grambol" or something like that, couched him twice every round and he survived both hits
wear some more armor and stop whining, no wait this might make you pay more upkeep ? ok forget about it keep posting

and also being hit by sharp pointy stick at around 40mph to the head could be a lethal shot, am i wrong ?

the mass factor is on our side im afraid
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[Fartface]

once again instead of being an man and solving your own problems peep wil just whine and let some other dude solve it.
just get more awareness , if you get taken by an lancer while your walking its your own stupid fault get an pike.
evrytime somebody gets killed by something instead of changin something himself they whine to devs comeone!

[Gorath]

evrytime somebody gets killed by something instead of changin something himself they whine to devs comeone!

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[Leshma]

First of all Darian, I completely understand your point of view. I'm not big fan of nerfs either. But since you aren't playing for a long time you can't remember the fact that whenever something is too effective for it's own good, it gets nerfed in this mod.

Okay, don't nerf the cav, no problem there. But then give back 2H the old lolstab, old sword speed, old stab damage (34 on german ftw), give archers their projectile speed back, their 3 quivers of arrows, their melee weapon. Make everyone overpowered so everyone dies quickly, just like we die to cav.

But no, they nerfed 2H three or four times, archery god knows how many, throwing, poles... cav were nerfed once and it isn't actually a nerfed, it just buffed them.

Currently there is so many cav and will be more in the future. Why? Because it's super easy for FOTM morons to score kill and that's exactly what majority of this community consisted of piece of shit whiny kids want. They don't care about getting better, they don't want to try something new, they don't want to play nice.. this community is now just a bunch of kill greedy, zero skill, kids who want KILLS!

And cav is where killing starts and ends atm.

2H guy who top the scoreboard on map filled with cavalry is immensely more skilled than all cavalry players combined.

[Kafein]

Most of the good players that get killed by cav usually only get killed because they were ganked by cav. A good cav rapetrain (2 lancers following each other) is a very good war machine : first guy bumps or kills, second kills the bumped enemy.It's hard to counter cav when you are outnumbered by them, just as with infantry or ranged enemies.

Very few good people are killed by lone cav without infantry or cav support. Cav is pretty much a support class that has all the assets to kill many people, but are fragile, costly, dependant on heirlooms (non heirloomed heavy lances suck, non heirloomed horses suck, especially in cav duels), are game for HA and HX and need others to engage the enemy units before they can kill anything. They are also good for killing the enemy cav when they outnumber it or are significantly better.

Lately I didn't see many more cav topping the scoreboard than 2h or archers.

[Fluffy_Muffin]

Have you been playing lately?

[Kafein]

First of all Darian, I completely understand your point of view. I'm not big fan of nerfs either. But since you aren't playing for a long time you can't remember the fact that whenever something is too effective for it's own good, it gets nerfed in this mod.

Okay, don't nerf the cav, no problem there. But then give back 2H the old lolstab, old sword speed, old stab damage (34 on german ftw), give archers their projectile speed back, their 3 quivers of arrows, their melee weapon. Make everyone overpowered so everyone dies quickly, just like we die to cav.

But no, they nerfed 2H three or four times, archery god knows how many, throwing, poles... cav were nerfed once and it isn't actually a nerfed, it just buffed them.

Currently there is so many cav and will be more in the future. Why? Because it's super easy for FOTM morons to score kill and that's exactly what majority of this community consisted of piece of shit whiny kids want. They don't care about getting better, they don't want to try something new, they don't want to play nice.. this community is now just a bunch of kill greedy, zero skill, kids who want KILLS!

And cav is where killing starts and ends atm.

2H guy who top the scoreboard on map filled with cavalry is immensely more skilled than all cavalry players combined.

Those new cav you talk about are super easy to kill for ranged, pikemen, 2h (because they have nearly as much reach as pikemen without the "crappy" weapon) and other lance cav. Usually newcomers that want to play as cav try it then realise they die before the first tick and their wallet is empty after two rounds. Then they respec 2h, polearm or ranged.

Have you been playing lately?

Yes, not much on EU_1 though. The map rotation on our server also likes random plains anyway, and we generally have more than 50 people playing when I'm there.

[Wookimonsta]

I take it none of you have ever played a strat battle with lots of cav yes?
Because in each battle there cav barely got any kills. This was mainly because the enemy team was organized and stuck together. The strength of cav is to pick off stragglers, in normal battle, the team splits into small groups. These are easy targets for cav.
So instead of whining, organize, bring some pikers and work as a team.

[Kafein]

I take it none of you have ever played a strat battle with lots of cav yes?
Because in each battle there cav barely got any kills. This was mainly because the enemy team was organized and stuck together. The strength of cav is to pick off stragglers, in normal battle, the team splits into small groups. These are easy targets for cav.
So instead of whining, organize, bring some pikers and work as a team.

This is sort of a void statement, because you can't really organize randomers properly. Most of the time it will result in the team splitting, you dying early because you were screaming in team chat, that sort of things. But it's clear that organization and good troop balance (many shielders, many pikemen) can match a good cav team without problems.

[Wookimonsta]

This is sort of a void statement, because you can't really organize randomers properly. Most of the time it will result in the team splitting, you dying early because you were screaming in team chat, that sort of things. But it's clear that organization and good troop balance (many shielders, many pikemen) can match a good cav team without problems.

yes, thats the point. People are mad because they get killed by a class that is designed (due to lance turning reduction) to buttstab. They don't have enough of the counters to this class about and then whine when they get killed by it.

My suggestion. Decrease Maneuver of all horses. Increase speed (and maybe HP for the lighter cav). This means cav cant so easily weave in and out of enemy groups but instead rely more on a straightforward charge. Increase the HP of the horses to counteract the fact they can't dodge ranged as easily anymore.

[v/onMega]

There is many factors coming together on this :-)

One general fact that always is true:

Medskilled ppl. tend to whine (more).

Now I see siiem complaining for example, and he really knows how to play 2h... Strange.

Well.
IMHO:
The sound in crpg WORKS PERFECTLY FINE. If u blame this, either your ears or your gear is rusty.

You can nerf cav nearly as hard as you want, THOUGH NOTHING WILL, EVER get people to pay fucking more attention.

The nerf on lance rotation was needed, yes, a good change.
BUT...
If you still think cav is OP, just spec GK_Kerrigan for some time.
3/4 of his kills are done effortless.
Why?
The opponent is giving him the chance to do so.
Its so idiotic, stupid....absolutely beyond funny how unbelievably unaware 3/4 of the players are.

3/4 of any ranged personal cant make proper use of their weapon (I play xbow and bow from time to time, so regardless of the archery nerfs)

So what exactly should get nerfed to make it harder for cav in such an enviroment? Really curios...

Cav is damn powerful, yes.
But if you try to get a clear perspective on the reasons, you ll see that 2/3 of the work is allrdy done by the potential victims.

Funny, I play this game for so fucking long, always on foot, and cav now feels really really okay...

Dont get me wrong:
Actually I am against the nerfing policy in general, the "leveling" system and many other things....but i try to keep a clear view on things.

Nerf pike/longspear speed though!
1h/shield is fun btw!

[Corrado_Decimo]

Cavalry has been nerfed every patch, at some point you have to realise that it's not that cav are overpowered it's that retards don't have a clue how to fight cavalry so they get destroyed. Most of the people who complain that cavalry are overpowered try to jumpslash riders (BAD IDEA) or get killed by cavalry when they are HONOURABLY dueling someone 1v1 and immediately complain when in that situation it was technically a 2v1 and you should never expect to win a 2v1.

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[Corrado_Decimo]

Most of the good players that get killed by cav usually only get killed because they were ganked by cav. A good cav rapetrain (2 lancers following each other) is a very good war machine : first guy bumps or kills, second kills the bumped enemy.It's hard to counter cav when you are outnumbered by them, just as with infantry or ranged enemies.

luckily there are things called "hills", "steep terrain zones", "narrow streets", "ladders", "roofs", "pinpoint xbows/throwing axes", oh and pikes/spears/anything that make a horse rear and finally upkeep.

i play a lot my lancer alt. crappy armor, crappy helmet, crappy boots, heavy lance and sarranid horse (yes the horse that gets instakilled by a cudgel). the horse upkeep is +/- 1500.

i can use it only when multi is x3 or more... or at x1 if i want to rapidly deplete my 30k gold bank.

a lgood pikeman covering infantry or ranged, can easly stop 2-3 lancers while the team do the rest. best tag team is pikeman+mauler. no heavy cav with shield can stand.

and i can't say how many lancers i dehorsed with my thrower alt (below warhorse, all horses get 1shot by jarids. warhorse and cataphract needs 2, charger needs 3, plated charger needs 4-5)

stop the nerf-o-rama fashion already. the game is somehow balanced.

devs should buff player's awareness and nerf retardness. i hope WSE can do that