Cavalry is clearly way overpowered

[Siiem]

More damage than 90% of any inf strike? What kind of armour are you wearing?  Lances really aren't that strong unless the rider is going full speed and gets a clean hit on you. 2h swords certainly do as much, as well as a lot of polearms.

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[Teeth]

This entire quote is only " " worthy.

[masasa]

No, no and no. All wrong. Only thing the angle nerf did is introduce some skill. It's still easy as hell to kill any 2her if you don't just ride at him straight thinking you're invincible. No, you ride to the side a bit so your horse is protected while you lance him. Works every time. I can't believe I have to tell dedicated cavalry players this. Spectate some good cav players or something, man. And the current 2h thrust almost never kills horses.

Do you realize how easy it is to avoid the lance as an infantry? Because of the angle nerf it is super easy now. Sure, you might be able to NOT DIE as a cav by playing it really safe and not taking any risk while attacking, but there is no way you kill a 2 hander in 1vs1 when doing that. And if you take a risk and go for the kill 2h always has the advantage.

[Fluffy_Muffin]

Do you realize how easy it is to avoid the lance as an infantry? Because of the angle nerf it is super easy now. Sure, you might be able to NOT DIE as a cav by playing it really safe and not taking any risk while attacking, but there is no way you kill a 2 hander in 1vs1 when doing that. And if you take a risk and go for the kill 2h always has the advantage.

Hate using that term but this is a case of l2p. Reread my previous post, watch some good cav play, learn etc

[Bulzur]

Do you realize how easy it is to avoid the lance as an infantry? Because of the angle nerf it is super easy now. Sure, you might be able to NOT DIE as a cav by playing it really safe and not taking any risk while attacking, but there is no way you kill a 2 hander in 1vs1 when doing that. And if you take a risk and go for the kill 2h always has the advantage.

Fun fact : When cav speaks about 2h, the main reason they state for how much it's dangerous for them, is the 2h lolstab. Morningstar, katana, Bar Mace, Miadao, Mallet, Persion battle axe, etc... are thus irrelevant in ALL "cav is overpowered, 2h owns them, discussion".

I've played one generation of polearm/cav after the lance radius nerf, and lance speed buff. For the first time, i played on a horse in cRPG. I got an awesome k/d score. Am i awesome ? Nah, i suck. What is awesome then ?
-Aggressiveness. Cav players choose their opponents, and the place for the fight. Infantry always stay in a defensive state (i must be aware, let's go around a wall with a downblock ready, let's look behind... Oh noess ! They're coming ! ) So it's more thrilling to play, and more easy to win.

-Speed and Maneuver. And Patience.  "That infantry just watched behind him, let's get him, i'm on him in 4sec. It's only a little hill, i can easily couch on it. Sure kill." "That longbow archer will soon fire.... GO ! The time he'll take to reload, he'll only shoot me once... Okay, here it comes, i slow down a lot, and move to the side, so the arrow does minimal damage, then i suddenly reach top speed again and 1hit him. If i know he's good, just stay at a slow speed and circle, stab, thrust him. Sure kill."  "Damn, this guy saw me. But he'll reach an infantry teammate in 10sec. Let's wait for then, and bump or thrust, depending on how they move while duelling each other."

-World Best Jumping Horses. "Oh, an aware 2h or Pikeman is going to thrust at my horse. Let's jump over him, trumple some of his unprotected teammates and kill at least one of them. Easy, fun and exciting. A bit dangerous though, but only against good players."

-Stabbing speed. "Let's stab this guy hiding near a wall. Oh noes, he jumped away, and my horse stopped at the wall. No worry, i'm sure he'll slash agressively at my horse, but my second thrust will catch him between his two eyes. Cause i stab quickly. Then i'll have time to go away. Again. Ah ah ah, i'm so good."

-Undamaging to horse but damaging to infantry bump. "Lolololol, i just trampled over that 2h who downblocked my thrust, and my horse killed him. Tough luck surviving all the range and infantry to die to an horse. Ah ah ah !"   "My horse maneuver is so good, my lance stab is so fast, that i have time to thrust at an ennemy i bumped myself, before he goes up on his legs. Works best withanother cav though, 0% surviving chance for that infantry."   "Oh this infantry is down blocking, let's bump-thrust him. Ah ah ah, he coudln't do anything, i'm too strong."

-Ruler. If i don't do any errors, i'll survive. The only chance the opponent has of taking me down is if i'm getting cocky, or... if i'm too lazy to think. No matter how smart the opponent is, i decide if/when my horse or myself die. Cause i rule.

-My horse died.      But i can whistle and go on another one, that i haven't tamed myself, that even belongs to the ennemy team. Because i'm awesome. I knew i did well there, not killing my deceased teammate's horse. Ah ah ah.

-Money. Damn, expensive horse. Luckily, i often get x5 thanks to my awesomeness. So well... i'm actually getting money there with my destrier and 7 riding skill.

-Horses hitboxes. I can block my back and my horse's tail if i slightly turn to the side and block. Because i'm awesome.

-Heirlooms. I managed to make the dev team balance horses over the "normal" horse. But my heirloomed horse is so good. Ah ah ah. When i think about 2h who get +1speed,+3 dmg, i laugh so much.

-Balancing main argument. Come on devs, this is "MOUNT and blade" right, so we should definitely be the best, imarite ? And the horse looks so good, you don't want people to think horses are useless, imarite ?
Second best argument : L2p dude, awareness is the key. (High five for the first cav bringing this fantastic word in horse's balancing hirstory.


Come on, horses are fine.  LEAVE US CAV ALONE !

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Let's nerf archers and 2h again, shall we. Or maybe crossbow, they're starting to be dangerous too. I mean... they manage to kill me, and i only killed 4 people that round ! It's so unfair !

 

[Overdriven]

No, cav die cause they go rambo mode straight ahead on a chambered 2h stab like retards. All you have to do is angle the shot and the 2h wont get you, doesent matter if he holds it at the end, halfswords it, or holds it out of his ass. He wont get you, and that is plain obvious, actualy i would go as far as to say; that is a fact.

Nope I still disagree. You're saying watch the best players, but obviously you haven't seen the best players play. They avoid 1vs1 and players facing them, they dart in and out and only strike the unaware players. They never go near 2h who show even a slight interest in them. Why? Because a 2h sword is just as effective at taking down a horse as a pike. This is from watching some of the best cav players in the game extensively. I always do in spec when I'm dead because I'm interested to see how some do it. And that's the way the best lancers play.

No. Heavy lance has about 20 cm on Danish greatsword stab.

20cm  Considering the length of a lance that's not much. All it needs is the right timing and the danish greatsword will get the first strike. And I can only say from experience that it's very easy to hit a lancers horse with a 2h. Anyone who can't needs to practice it a bit more.

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Why? Because you only highlighted a tiny section of the quote? Lances aren't that strong. It's the speed bonus that is strong. But even so, if you get 1 shotted by a lancer, you either have bugger all armour, or they are full speeding with a lance into your head. In which case I think it's perfectly fair you die. Most lancers get kills on weak players or players who are already damaged.

Hate using that term but this is a case of l2p. Reread my previous post, watch some good cav play, learn etc

Your argument is based on watching some of the best players. You can't balance by the best players, you balance by the average. Some of the best cav players will also own a huge amount of infantry on the ground as well. They are good in any role they play. But the average cav player slips up more than not, whether it be running into a pike, or simply charging down the enemy to early. Most of this is because speeding around a battlefield on a horse requires a huge amount of awareness. More than even infantry players need to look out for cav. The best cav players have that insane awareness, as do the best infantry players.

Finally, just finished the strat battle with Fallen. The enemy had a lot of cav and we ran out of horses. At one point I was in the middle of a field with 3 lancers trying to kill me. I managed to dodge all 3, shoot arrows into them, down 1 of them and then run away to my team mates. Anyone who says archers are screwed against cavalry just doesn't know how to avoid them. I'd suggest such people playing gens as cavalry to learn their movements. Once you can predict which way a lancers going to go, all it takes is a simple sidestep. Even against thrusting lancers. If you know the cav is there, there isn't a lot they can do if you play it right.

[gazda]

as for cav, all Id like to see is make acceleration and manuverability two separate factors, instead of the current way(acceleration is blended and dependant on manuverability).

Will this be possible with WSE? devs?

[Christo]

Sounds good. ^

[Overdriven]

as for cav, all Id like to see is make acceleration and manuverability two separate factors, instead of the current way(acceleration is blended and dependant on manuverability).

Will this be possible with WSE? devs?

That is something that needs doing. It pisses me off no end when an arabian is faster than my champ courser simply because it can accelerate much faster.

I assume it would be possible with WSE.

[Xant]

20cm  Considering the length of a lance that's not much. All it needs is the right timing and the danish greatsword will get the first strike. And I can only say from experience that it's very easy to hit a lancers horse with a 2h. Anyone who can't needs to practice it a bit more.

Why? Because you only highlighted a tiny section of the quote? Lances aren't that strong. It's the speed bonus that is strong. But even so, if you get 1 shotted by a lancer, you either have bugger all armour, or they are full speeding with a lance into your head. In which case I think it's perfectly fair you die. Most lancers get kills on weak players or players who are already damaged.

Your argument is based on watching some of the best players. You can't balance by the best players, you balance by the average. Some of the best cav players will also own a huge amount of infantry on the ground as well. They are good in any role they play. But the average cav player slips up more than not, whether it be running into a pike, or simply charging down the enemy to early. Most of this is because speeding around a battlefield on a horse requires a huge amount of awareness. More than even infantry players need to look out for cav. The best cav players have that insane awareness, as do the best infantry players.

Finally, just finished the strat battle with Fallen. The enemy had a lot of cav and we ran out of horses. At one point I was in the middle of a field with 3 lancers trying to kill me. I managed to dodge all 3, shoot arrows into them, down 1 of them and then run away to my team mates. Anyone who says archers are screwed against cavalry just doesn't know how to avoid them. I'd suggest such people playing gens as cavalry to learn their movements. Once you can predict which way a lancers going to go, all it takes is a simple sidestep. Even against thrusting lancers. If you know the cav is there, there isn't a lot they can do if you play it right.

20 cm yes... are you retarded? Doesn't matter if its one millemeter, you hit first if your weapon is longer. With 20 cm you can even fuck up the timing a bit and still come out on top.
For danish gsword to hit first you need a) the cav player to fuck up and b) the 2hander to be perfectly on time. Now what's wrong with that? Nothing. Cav player fucks up, 2hander doesn't, 2hander hits cav player. As it should be. Although with the stab nerf every horse except the very worst will survive one stab, so you get at least two tries to get it right.

[Overdriven]

20 cm yes... are you retarded? Doesn't matter if its one millemeter, you hit first if your weapon is longer. With 20 cm you can even fuck up the timing a bit and still come out on top.
For danish gsword to hit first you need a) the cav player to fuck up and b) the 2hander to be perfectly on time. Now what's wrong with that? Nothing. Cav player fucks up, 2hander doesn't, 2hander hits cav player. As it should be. Although with the stab nerf every horse except the very worst will survive one stab, so you get at least two tries to get it right.

Well I seem to have no trouble beating lancers with either my Danish or my Sword of War on my 2h alt. So either all the lancers I fight are crap, or something wrong in these estimations. Regardless, simply stepping into the lancer and lolstabbing the horse on the inside angle helps. That means the lancer can't use the wide angle. Plenty of 2h will do this because the horses head is nearly level with the front of a heavy lance, meaning you can hit the horse long before the lance hits you. You have to remember that a rider sits a way down the horse. That means the full length of the lance at a forward angle is pretty usless. A 2h will beat a heavy lance in that situation.

Depends on the speed of the lancer. My champ courser for instance will go down to 1 hit from a lolstabbed danish if I'm at full speed.

[Xant]

Well I seem to have no trouble beating lancers with either my Danish or my Sword of War on my 2h alt. So either all the lancers I fight are crap, or something wrong in these estimations. Regardless, simply stepping into the lancer and lolstabbing the horse on the inside angle helps. That means the lancer can't use the wide angle. Plenty of 2h will do this because the horses head is nearly level with the front of a heavy lance.

Depends on the speed of the lancer. My champ courser for instance will go down to 1 hit from a lolstabbed danish if I'm at full speed.

Most lancers are crap. I can stab most of them... which only makes it more annoying to face the good ones who will steer to the left and 1hit me with their lance when I try to stab them.

[Overdriven]

Most lancers are crap. I can stab most of them... which only makes it more annoying to face the good ones who will steer to the left and 1hit me with their lance when I try to stab them.

Good lancers are annoying  Even as an HA they somehow find ways to outmanoeuvre you. I have to rely on sheer speed of my champ courser most of the time. I have noticed a lot more lancers are piling on the riding however, so they are nearly as fast as me regardless of my x3 courser 

[Kafein]

As an inf (1h, 2h or polearm), I die like 1 time over 20 to cav. I don't know what's wrong with you guys. Stop running alone in an open plain with your DGS thinking you are invincible maybe ?

Good cav players can outrange 2h, except a flamberge jumpslash. I killed very good 2h players like that, and some cav like Leed seem to never fail doing it. But it's still dangerous to do, the time window being very short and dependant on multiple factors. 2h that know how to use their ath and agi are extremely hard to kill that way, because they dodge the lance on the side then thrust into the horse.

And, with the armor changes, you can almost never oneshot people with a lance poke, even archers. This may seem normal, but as a cavalry, your chances of hitting the same guy twice are slim.

[Chagan_Arslan]

anyone here remember the time when people only talked about how cav players are no skilled and they get all of their kills only thanks to the bumps ? if this would go away they would be shit! how wrong were they ?

anyone here remember when people said that with the introduction of friendly bumps cav players will have minus on scoreboards all the time ? how wrong where they ?

anyone here remember when people said that cav players are killing only thanks to the "jet pony" ? how wrong where they ?

anyone here remember when people said that cav kills only thanks to the side thrust! how wrong where they ?

and now, with no obvious thing to point out the argument is simply "because! they are op"

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