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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #225 on: August 24, 2011, 02:44:22 pm »
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The roles of the pikes and long spears are fine.
 
The hitboxes are the only thing that really need fixing.
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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #226 on: August 24, 2011, 02:52:48 pm »
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In my opinion, Long Spear should be an enemy speed based weapon, this mean that it's damage should rely more on the speed bonus of the enemy that's running into you - making this weapon an excellent cav stopper and a nice infantry charge stopper. I guess just reducing damage would help that.

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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #227 on: August 24, 2011, 04:50:26 pm »
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In my opinion, Long Spear should be an enemy speed based weapon, this mean that it's damage should rely more on the speed bonus of the enemy that's running into you - making this weapon an excellent cav stopper and a nice infantry charge stopper. I guess just reducing damage would help that.

Thing about this idea is that the combat dynamics and animation.

ie As a piker, I use the mentality of my opponent against them. They come at me with their weapon, so I back away, at the same time stabbing out with the pike, if they don't block, their walking speed vs my pike driving into them causes them some pretty hideous damage, given what I've seen of their reactions in duels and battles.

The stabbing animation is a lot faster in comparison  to my character backing up, on top of the fact that the other guy is running straight at me in an effort to catch my armored ass. SO they essentially spear themselves on the weapon.
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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #228 on: August 24, 2011, 05:15:31 pm »
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Giving a overhead stab to longspears might just make them more OP, I think. That way you could instakill anyone if you have two longspears, as the other one can have an overhead stab chambered while the other one has a normal thrust chambered. Unless, of course, the overhead stab is given some other purpose than just being an up-block stab.

I'm still not seeing why 2 pikes SHOULDN'T mean veritable instant death for any solo enemy?  Overhead bonk or thrust, doesn't matter.  Why should retards be able to just hold downblock until the end of time to completely negate multiple people like they can already do with hoplites?
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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #229 on: August 24, 2011, 05:17:39 pm »
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All none-eunochs! Take a maul. Smaaaash pike-wielder on the head until they dont wield the pike any more.

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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #230 on: August 24, 2011, 05:23:57 pm »
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OH GOD PLEASE, NOT MAULS!  :shock:

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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #231 on: August 24, 2011, 07:01:34 pm »
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Yes, and it's not a problem for other polearms most of the time because they lack the length to really abooz that.

Giving a overhead stab to longspears might just make them more OP, I think. That way you could instakill anyone if you have two longspears, as the other one can have an overhead stab chambered while the other one has a normal thrust chambered. Unless, of course, the overhead stab is given some other purpose than just being an up-block stab.

How is over head stab any different from any other weapon in the game?

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But yeah, maybe not a speed nerf, but some damage taken off it would be good. Longspear does ridiculous amounts of damage when it would be good even if it did no damage and only caused your opponent to break his block.

26 pierce / 15 blunt is ridicilous??? Are you serious? You seriously want it to do 0 damage?
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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #232 on: August 24, 2011, 07:12:37 pm »
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I'm still not seeing why 2 pikes SHOULDN'T mean veritable instant death for any solo enemy?  Overhead bonk or thrust, doesn't matter.  Why should retards be able to just hold downblock until the end of time to completely negate multiple people like they can already do with hoplites?

Because it means everyone will carry pikes and the game becomes about numbers, not skill.

Who seriously wants to see a game become about numbers instead of skill? Except people without skill... and even most of those are trying to become better. Why SHOULD two people be able to kill one more skilled guy by default? What fun is there in a game that is all about having +1 player on your side? Losing all competitive edge in a game means it loses most of its players.
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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #233 on: August 24, 2011, 07:32:21 pm »
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Because it means everyone will carry pikes and the game becomes about numbers, not skill.

Who seriously wants to see a game become about numbers instead of skill? Except people without skill... and even most of those are trying to become better. Why SHOULD two people be able to kill one more skilled guy by default? What fun is there in a game that is all about having +1 player on your side? Losing all competitive edge in a game means it loses most of its players.

2 players will always win against another guy solo if they've got the same level and skill. And that's normal.

If the enemy is spamming pikes, just make your shielders charge first and not your 2hers (it should always be like this anyway). Pikes are almost useless against any good shield.
Pikers are vulnerable to shielders, maulers and ranged fire, but great against cav and 2hers / polearmers without a shield. Just learn to adapt.

The only thing to fix about pikes is their bugged hitbox (and retarded things like pikes going through walls sometimes).

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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #234 on: August 24, 2011, 08:43:52 pm »
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2 players will always win against another guy solo if they've got the same level and skill. And that's normal.

Exactly. That is my very point. This is how it should be. Hell, even two guys who are a bit worse than the one guy can beat the one guy with numbers.
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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #235 on: August 24, 2011, 08:45:33 pm »
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Exactly. That is my very point. This is how it should be. Hell, even two guys who are a bit worse than the one guy can beat the one guy with numbers.

That's silly. Watch Ip Man.

Or Bruce Lee.

Or Chuck Norris.

Or Canary. 
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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #236 on: August 24, 2011, 08:57:27 pm »
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No bro, that makes no sense. Those guys were far superior, there wasn't anyone just a "bit" worse than them teaming up on 'em!
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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #237 on: August 24, 2011, 09:07:01 pm »
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Who are the items balancers?

they should try playing the game, long spears is fucking redic atm

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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #238 on: August 24, 2011, 09:08:02 pm »
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No bro, that makes no sense. Those guys were far superior, there wasn't anyone just a "bit" worse than them teaming up on 'em!
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Re: Long spears aka pikes
« Reply #239 on: August 24, 2011, 09:09:09 pm »
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I didn't know you were a fanboy of this Canary guy.

Canary is a badass gen one cutie pie. Everyone is a fanboy for canary grinding to 35 with no xp bonus. Living proof that looms are not super needed.
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