[Complaint] Why make it so cavalry is not a viable option?

[StanleyPain]

It was an appropriate response to your long straw man argument.

Who said they wanted their Grade A gear AND the horses each round? I didn't. Huey didn't. Hell, I even said that with only a white tunic over mail and a melee weapon in case of dishorsing, I'm losing money fast.

We understand the concept of low-upkeep gear.

We're saying the cost of unarmored horse upkeep is too high. Simple enough?

What everyone seems to be telling you is that your concept of "low gear" is not what others consider "low gear". People have given you hard numbers proving you wrong. You're wrong plain and simple and yet all you do is put your fingers in your ears and sing "lalalalalalalal im not listening"

[Kalam]

Actually, I'd suggest a straight-up gambeson. With my shielder, for instance, I don't notice much of a difference between the brigandine and gambeson for survivability unless it's siege or I'm going to have to hold a position for a long time due to teamplay.

That said, he'd still be incurring losses without the brigandine, unless he gets more wins. Which he does, which should put him in the positive.

[Engine]

You're wrong plain and simple and yet all you do is put your fingers in your ears and sing "lalalalalalalal im not listening"

Their numbers don't match what I'm seeing ingame. I'm calling it like it is for me, not trying to tell other players they're wrong.

[StanleyPain]

Their numbers don't match what I'm seeing ingame. I'm calling it like it is for me, not trying to tell other players they're wrong.

Because you're using mid to mid-high range gear which is gonna cost you to use ALL THE TIME. That's the entire point.

[Tai Feng]

We're saying the cost of unarmored horse upkeep is too high. Simple enough?

Too high for whom?
I can afford the cost. Others can. If you can't, you're buying wrong equipment, as simple as that. You refuse to accept this simple logical statement - well, your loss. As a matter of fact, due to my playstyles (which you can also call good planning and schedule) I also play very often with a Charger just for fun, since I prefer Courser.

 I told you to take Courser, naked (not even shield), with Heavy Lance and a fork. You could've at least tried and said it's not working.

[Engine]

Alright, if you think numbers will change the fact that I'm losing money:

3468 - White Tunic over Mail
4798 - Heavy Lance
6889 - Steel Pick
3226 - Norman Shield
25480 - Sarranid Horse

43,861g

Without the horse, do you think that's high end gear?

[StanleyPain]

Yes, 43k worth of gear is mid-high without a doubt.

[Engine]

I told you to take Courser, naked (not even shield), with Heavy Lance and a fork. You could've at least tried and said it's not working.

This is your solution? Play naked?

Wow.

[Engine]

Yes, 43k worth of gear is mid-high without a doubt.

How about 18,381, after the horse is removed? That's what you're calling high-end gear? Again... wow.

Ok, done here. Thanks for the input!

[RandomDude]

i think people should be able to afford to play as light cav

i was gonna add that then everyone might play cav but i dont think they would

i hate getting couched and bumped and 1 hit even in heavy armour as much as the next guy but cav should still have some role in warband

light cav to me is pretty much the cheapest few horses some light armour a shield a lance and maybe a cheap back up weapon

costs should be on par with a 2h in good armour or a 1h in slightly worse armour (if they want a nice shield)

forgive me but i think most of the bows should increase in cost significantly too - if their killing potential stays the same as it is now

[Seawied]

Yes, 43k worth of gear is mid-high without a doubt.

This is a problem here. You're including the financial total as a basis for what is considered acceptable for total gear, where we are arguing that the reward-cost ratio of the mid tier horses are at a bad ratio.

Right now, we have 1 or 2 horses everywhere. Sarranid horse and below could use  a 10% reduction in price in my opinion because currently the advantage they give to the player is nowhere near the worth of the item.

I don't use a horse based character anymore because of their cost. Currently, my characters are all infantry. If this gets changed either way, it will not affect my characters at all. However, I feel that having cavalry have some affordability would add more depth to the game.

[Maira]

I'm a HA and I can barely upkeep my nomad set (828g) Steppe Horse (12k) Short Bow (1.7k) No melee weapon, no gloves. If they increases the bow cost, what am I going to use to shoot arrows? My fists?

[Tai Feng]

This is your solution? Play naked?

Wow.

Sometimes the good in me gets carried away and for a second thinks that people sometimes, just sometimes, would be grateful for a good tip. Then harsh reality hits me in the head and I realize, nah, they just want to whine and complain.

currently the advantage they give to the player is nowhere near the worth of the item.

Sarranid and Courser are worth the money. Heavy horses are currently not. Can't speak for others as I didn't try them post-patch.

Every player is limited by upkeep. A horseman that stretches up to the limit is more valuable than a 1H/shield footman that stretches up to the limit. A dismounted horseman is still a force to be reckoned with.

Right now, we have 1 or 2 horses everywhere

NA servers were never a good indication of anything game related, only mentality-related things.

I'm a HA and I can barely upkeep my nomad set (828g) Steppe Horse (12k) Short Bow (1.7k) No melee weapon, no gloves. If they increases the bow cost, what am I going to use to shoot arrows? My fists?

My advice is: don't play HA then. Leave that to professionals.

[StanleyPain]

How about 18,381, after the horse is removed? That's what you're calling high-end gear? Again... wow.

Ok, done here. Thanks for the input!

Your horse is part of your gear therefore it's factored into the equation. Lighten up your other gear.

[bruce]

i think people should be able to afford to play as light cav

light cav to me is pretty much the cheapest few horses some light armour a shield a lance and maybe a cheap back up weapon

I agree. And I assure you, it's perfectly feasible as it is. I'm doing it on one of my chars - with the gear you described above (rouncey, plain kite shield, balanced heavy lance, warspear, leather doodads and padded jack), and it makes a some money on the side even - approx 10K of gear (heavy lance is roughly 5K) and a rouncey.

forgive me but i think most of the bows should increase in cost significantly too - if their killing potential stays the same as it is now

I agree also on this, for various reasons (HAs on coursers, etc).