[Complaint] Why make it so cavalry is not a viable option?

[Engine]

Therefore: Cavalry, if built right, and played right will always be effective.

Absolutely! But only a Palfrey or Rouncey is financially viable. The upkeep cost of any other unarmored horse is prohibitive.

[Lamix]

Should think about making the sumpter really cheap, then you could use that as a way to make money while still using the skills you invested in or a new player could use it to learn how to handle cav.

[PhantomZero]

Should think about making the sumpter really cheap, then you could use that as a way to make money while still using the skills you invested in or a new player could use it to learn how to handle cav.

I think the sumpter would give you bad habits, it is a really bad horse.

[Welcome_To_Hell]

If chadz is worried about game balance then he should change the horses stats even lower, but to try to get there by making them prohibitively expensive is the wrong way to get balance.  Light cavalry should be 5-10% of the people on a server at any given time, but right now completely absent on most servers for hours at atime.  At the very least make a reasonably priced alternative like reducing rouncey's stats slightly and making it only 5000 gold, dont understand why all the light cav horses were increased in price with last patch, just need to reduce horse stats or make riding skill 1 every 5 or 6 agility.  I miss having cav to shoot.

Stats even lower?

They are already one shot by about everything. How can we get even lower than that? One shot all light cav with a throwing rock?

[Tai Feng]

Come on man, you know you're overreaching by suggesting we all ride Light Cav essentially naked.

That's exactly what you should do if you have problems economizing. It works.


This entire thread is about "I want good horse, decent armor, best cavalry weapons, and I want it every round". This thread isn't about balance at all. It's about people who want to be overpowered constantly and feel it's their human and natural right.


You can play as cavalry every round. There are other cavalry weapons besides Heavy Lance. You can poke people with cheap spears too, like a fork, believe it or not. There are horses that are cheap. There's cheap armor. Now you just have to optimize and select best option based on upkeep limit. If sustainable limit is 20,000 gold, you pick equipment for that. If it's 40,000 you pick for that.


This thread is ridiculous because some of you refuse to see. You close your eyes and shout that it's dark. You refuse to acknowledge that cavalry can be successfully played without top gear. Well I'm sorry, the days when every grinder could charger in in his plated charger, raise hands and sing a song, and enemies would fall down trampled and die massively - these days are thankfully over.

I think the sumpter would give you bad habits, it is a really bad horse.

It's still a horse, which can be huge advantage if you use it right.

[Engine]

Wow, you can't read.

[Tai Feng]

What you just did is a cheap rhetoric trick of abandoning the discussion once arguments overwhelm you. You can demonize your opponent all you want, like, call him a troll or something, which means you can dodge his argument and feel victorious and at peace. It works every time.

[Engine]

It was an appropriate response to your long straw man argument.

Who said they wanted their Grade A gear AND the horses each round? I didn't. Huey didn't. Hell, I even said that with only a white tunic over mail and a melee weapon in case of dishorsing, I'm losing money fast.

We understand the concept of low-upkeep gear.

We're saying the cost of unarmored horse upkeep is too high. Simple enough?

[bruce]

With a rouncey, balanced heavy lance, aketon/padded jack, leather accessories, a cheap shield and a warspear for foot combat I'm making money on my horseman.

Tbh, it is quite well balanced atm. I hated it when every third person was on a horse.

[Rumblood]

I see...lots of Cav, as many as before, and I see the occasional Panzer Tank horse even. So...wut?

[Punisher]

I see...lots of Cav, as many as before, and I see the occasional Panzer Tank horse even. So...wut?

Agreed, there are at least 7-8 cav on each side every map, more if there is a cav-friendly map (and these days most maps are). How come these people can afford playing cav and don't come to cry on forum?

[Huey Newton]

Agreed, there are at least 7-8 cav on each side every map, more if there is a cav-friendly map (and these days most maps are). How come these people can afford playing cav and don't come to cry on forum?

people who own fiefs in strat dont have to pay as much upkeep as those who dont


i use a
courser
leather boots
leather gloves
bascinet
brigandine
nordic short war sword
heavy lance
knightly heater shield

ive brought my foot armor down from shynbaulds to leather boots for financial reasons
ive dropped my red wisby gauntlets for leather gloves for financial reasons
i will NOT drop my brigandine as it is mathematically the best value in weight per armor ratio for medium armor
sometimes i budget my bascinet out for a kettle helmet
everything else i use is a must

im a cavalry player
if you've ever seen me play
you see i go for enemy cav first
then enemy archers
then enemy infantry

why should people like engine and I not be allowed to use a highier tier horse and at least come out even in our budget

22000 for a courser?
1100 to repair
cmon now be realistic

[Braeden]

people who own fiefs in strat dont have to pay as much upkeep as those who dont

Planned.

Not implemented yet.

[Engine]

Would it help if instead I said "I'm pure infantry and I think unarmored horse upkeep is too high"

If you don't trust Huey, who's one of the most respectable and talented Light Cav players, who will you trust?

[Lt_Anders]

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Quote from: Punisher on Today at 02:29:41 pm

    Agreed, there are at least 7-8 cav on each side every map, more if there is a cav-friendly map (and these days most maps are). How come these people can afford playing cav and don't come to cry on forum?


people who own fiefs in strat dont have to pay as much upkeep as those who dont


i use a
courser
leather boots
leather gloves
bascinet
brigandine
nordic short war sword
heavy lance
knightly heater shield

ive brought my foot armor down from shynbaulds to leather boots for financial reasons
ive dropped my red wisby gauntlets for leather gloves for financial reasons
i will NOT drop my brigandine as it is mathematically the best value in weight per armor ratio for medium armor
sometimes i budget my bascinet out for a kettle helmet
everything else i use is a must

im a cavalry player
if you've ever seen me play
you see i go for enemy cav first
then enemy archers
then enemy infantry

why should people like engine and I not be allowed to use a highier tier horse and at least come out even in our budget

22000 for a courser?
1100 to repair
cmon now be realistic

Brigadine....

Well there's your problem. 10k armor. Why not use the heraldic mails? I use Hmail with surcoat(which is nearly 4k less than brig, has 7 less body armor, but 2 more leg armor) Red wisby, mail chauses, kettle helm. I use a lance, great axe and light xbow(+steel bolts) and ride a rouncey.

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Heraldic Mail with Surcoat   6378
Mail Chausses   1358
Kettle Helmet   2107
Red Wisby Gauntlets   4848

Rouncey   11050

Lance   3374   
Light Crossbow   5112
Steel Bolts   2136
Great Axe   3247

Final Cost: 39610

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Brigandine   10851
Bascinet   3847
Leather Gloves    289
Leather Boots   363

Courser   22380

Heavy Lance   4798
Knightly Heater Shield   4328
Nordic Short War Sword   2950

Final Cost:49806

Our difference in cost comes from our horse. I lose a little money at x1 with that outfit. If I dropped the xbow(7k in cost) I'd never lose money with my build. Also granted, I'm more of a mounted infantry(mounted xbow) more than cavalry, but I still bring my best equipment out.(I don't like plate, prefer mail, but I have plate if i wanted )