Buff 1h swords speed

[Siiem]

Katanas should have 60 slash damage why?

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[Mala]

i think 2h only stun if you hold the attack - polearms do it a lot more and no1 can stun you by hitting your shield can they?

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They can. I have this quite often with my lighter shield, especially after overhead attacks with heavier 2handers or polearms.

[DrKronic]

You're completely bypassing the fact that 2hers actually gain more benefit from agi stacking than 2hers do as for one:  No need to waste points on a shield skill, allowing them to increase it further.  And two:  2h animations are far superior, which exacerbates the speed issue of high agi/wpf even more.

It wasn't agi-stacking 1hers that were breaking the game pre-patch, but agi stacking 2hers.   

Since when did pridecrusher use 2hands and balb

Nice revisionist history from the foremost one hand lobbyist

Also trolling me on ur alt made me sad and not in the mood to donate ever again think next time before u rage

[Leshma]

Look to Gnjus. He is 1-shot capping experienced 2h/polarm blockers by a surprise left swing to their head all the time.

Gnjus has low ping and lots of experience. Also he's using 1H AXE not 1H sword.

I'm using Side Sword and have 60-80 ping. Side Sword is almost useless for me because of high ping. I do much better when I'm using Long Espada Eslavona because of invisible reach.

Scimitar, Elite Scimitar and Long Espada are the swords I've used which have invisible reach. Side Sword doesn't have that "feature".

My build is kinda crappy, I'm archer and shielder hybrid. I have 111 wpf in 1h and 125 wpf in archery. As an archer I perform much better, have better k:d.

My previous build was 2H and I used Katana for two days, playing as a ninja. Despite the fact that you have to manual block, playing as a ninja I performed much better than I do as 1H. Facehugging with high ping is dangerous thing to do because of 2H sword animation and lag. So many times I've raised my shield just to be slashed by greatsword spammer, he slashed me like I had no shield at all. Shield isn't always advantage, especially when you're dueling 2H or polearms user.

Also, stats have nothing to do with the situation on battlefield. 1H swords aren't fast as they should be when used without a shield. Side Swords 102 speed (I have it heirloomed twice) don't feel much faster than Long Espada Eslavona's 98 speed. That's because of shield which negates most of speed. They could buff Side Sword to 105 speed and difference wouldn't be great when used with a shield. Also when you put shield on your back you ain't faster than with shield in your hand.

Side Sword has real 95 length
Scimitar has 97 but feels like 100
Elite Scimitar has 100 but feels like 103-104
Long Espada Eslavona has 103 but it's more like Longsword in length
Katana is 95 but feels like 98-99

[UrLukur]

i think 2h only stun if you hold the attack - polearms do it a lot more and no1 can stun you by hitting your shield can they?

2h have never been support they are the damage dealers

i wouldnt exactly say 1h are support either but if a 1h and 2h are fighting an enemy and they're working as a team it usually makes sense for the 1h to be more defensive and the 2h to kill (unless the opponent is really going after the 2h)

i have got a decent 1h but i havent played it today so i dunno if i will feel the difference or not but i didnt find any problems fighting 2h's

i get spammed by agi katana's on any char i use so if your beef is with them then just focus on katana's

rofl... that is only 1 of the chapters of The Way

As for the rest - unless someone is  making alts then the 1hs are seeing better and better players

more and more of them can feint fast and really get in my face and make it hard for me to beat them without some other factor like bounce/luck/team mate etc

i play my 1h like i see them play and it works quite well

1h can spam just as good as a 2h - and i 1 hit people with a slash to the face wit 6ps and a standard knightly arming sword

I got stunned by 2h quite often with my light shield.

2h are support, they excel in situations where they attack and have numerical advantage. They deal high amount of damage, but i feel it's unjustified amount, they should deal less - right now they deal 1.5/4 times as much damage against most targets (first against less armored, second against best armors).

Even i killed you multiple times with Cybele.

1h can't really spam against 2h weapons that have more speed than 90, heck, even feints against those are risky as 2h user can just attack 2 times in a row even without really good footwork. 2h on the other hand can do it risk free (assuming his build does not have more wasted points in wpf than 1h).

[Gorath]

Since when did pridecrusher use 2hands and balb

What are we talking about.  I thought we were talking about legitimate problems with weapon speeds.  Apparently though you're just talking about people who do well?  If that's the case there's still more 2hers/polearm users that can be put on the list.  Just let me know if we're going to talk about the real issue or sling names of players with high kdr's.   

Also trolling me on ur alt made me sad and not in the mood to donate ever again think next time before u rage

What the hell are you talking about?

[Kalam]

I got stunned by 2h quite often with my light shield.

2h are support, they excel in situations where they attack and have numerical advantage. They deal high amount of damage, but i feel it's unjustified amount, they should deal less - right now they deal 1.5/4 times as much damage against most targets (first against less armored, second against best armors).

Even i killed you multiple times with Cybele.

1h can't really spam against 2h weapons that have more speed than 90, heck, even feints against those are risky as 2h user can just attack 2 times in a row even without really good footwork. 2h on the other hand can do it risk free (assuming his build does not have more wasted points in wpf than 1h).

There's a feinting technique that some 1-handers use that allow for some serious spam. It's different from 2h/polearm feint spam. I'm currently trying to figure out how to get the timing right. When I do, I'll let you know. Until then, look for players who do it and then tell me 1h can't spam against 2h weapons.

[UrLukur]

There's a feinting technique that some 1-handers use that allow for some serious spam. It's different from 2h/polearm feint spam. I'm currently trying to figure out how to get the timing right. When I do, I'll let you know. Until then, look for players who do it and then tell me 1h can't spam against 2h weapons.

It's not really reliable against players who know you are doing it. I use it.

[DrKronic]

Actually I was under the impression that this was part of the vast crywing conspiracy to lobby for weapon nerfs/buffs
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I was almost positive that oggrog was u since he was using my irl name that of course ats has access to since I gave to the server added to the fact that no verbal warning was given for basically complete bs

Anyway if it wasn't I apologize it seemed to make perfect sense since once I called him(called him gorath)on it plus dropped him like the bitch he was he logged immediately

Case of mistaken identity I guess

I may not get fap posts about my skills but to know I am truly despised is validation...too bad I am attracting the columbine crazies
I just figured I wasn't inciting ransoms to come after me irl lol tools

[Gorath]

I was almost positive that oggrog was u since he was using my irl name that of course ats has access to since I gave to the server added to the fact that no verbal warning was given for basically complete bs

Yeah, um no.  That's not me.  I don't know your real name (nor do I care to, I don't have anything to do with the server donation stuff) and if you're talking about a kick or ban, I always let the person know it's about to happen.

Interesting story though.

[DrKronic]

Yeah, um no.  That's not me.  I don't know your real name (nor do I care to, I don't have anything to do with the server donation stuff) and if you're talking about a kick or ban, I always let the person know it's about to happen.

Interesting story though.

Well I am relieved then it upset me more when i thought it was u than that someone now has a irl personal hatred of meh

To return to the topic the only problem I see with pushing up one handers speed too much is ur gonna end up pushing all the dueling into one hand because honestly why use a masterwork katana vs a masterwork sidesword basically same damage and speed except one is fully shield usable and other has a malus

[UrLukur]

Well I am relieved then it upset me more when i thought it was u than that someone now has a irl personal hatred of meh

To return to the topic the only problem I see with pushing up one handers speed too much is eventually someone is gonna run the ultimate build pure melee near 18 point conversion only ps wm build(I.e pridecrusher or me) and destroy

Nobody suggested here pushing speed of 1h any further. The idea was to increase speed of 99 speed 95/93 range weapons (Sword, Nordic Sword, Arming Sword, Simple Sword) to 100 or 101 speed to make them viable (despite still being worse than Side Sword) choices.

[Gorath]

To return to the topic the only problem I see with pushing up one handers speed too much is ur gonna end up pushing all the dueling into one hand because honestly why use a masterwork katana vs a masterwork sidesword basically same damage and speed except one is fully shield usable and other has a malus

It's still a far better idea to increase shield speeds across the board, rather than buff 1h weapon speeds. 

[Noble Crassius]

I agree completely or at the very least reduce shield weight so I don't run so sloooow.

[Mutant]

Cut Damage from light weapons such as the side sword, elite scimitar etc. would be completely useless against chainmail and even leather in some situations. I think that it would be fine to buff 1h sword speed but increase armor effectiveness. Armor seems fairly useless right now.

I use a balanced iberian mace and it sucks ass. Too short, too slow so i use a regular sword and kill alot more. I say buff the 1h maces!(especially the iberian one *wink wink)
The most common used weapons by medieval knights were the battle axe, maces/clubs, broadswords, picks. Why not buff these also cause they seem fairly useless with armor being useless.