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Re: Buff 1h swords speed
« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2011, 12:41:32 am »
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I already explained why it seems so:
-more efficient build, can have more wfp on the same level
-can turn into swing more, as they have more raw damage to overcome sweet spots
-can attack first, so 2h user can release attack first
-have more weight so stun 1h users
-have better animations, that seems to have less harsh sweet spots
-there is no point going 1h without shield, why bother if you can use Katana or Longsword that both deal more damage, have way better range, way better animations and you can always use some stupid other 2h weapon, like mallet or maul, if it strikes you fancy.
ok those are the weak sides of the 1handed (even some are quite wrong, turning doesn't increase damage, it was tested and there's a topic about that somewhere in the TW forum), but you fail to consider that there are also good notes in 1h and board.

-it's way easier to block with a shield
-you have more possibiliy to survive against 2 or more opponents
-you are protecded from ranged
-2handed can't stun much anymore in crpg due the increased weight of most of the shields.
-without a shield you are actually faster than everything but the katana

2handed and shielders have different roles in battlfield, ok in 1vs1 2handed might be slightly better but in the overall balance of a battle I find the shielders much more important than 2handed: without them it's really hard for 2handers to get into the melee.
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Re: Buff 1h swords speed
« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2011, 01:13:29 am »
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ok those are the weak sides of the 1handed (even some are quite wrong, turning doesn't increase damage, it was tested and there's a topic about that somewhere in the TW forum), but you fail to consider that there are also good notes in 1h and board.

-it's way easier to block with a shield
-you have more possibiliy to survive against 2 or more opponents
-you are protecded from ranged
-2handed can't stun much anymore in crpg due the increased weight of most of the shields.
-without a shield you are actually faster than everything but the katana

2handed and shielders have different roles in battlfield, ok in 1vs1 2handed might be slightly better but in the overall balance of a battle I find the shielders much more important than 2handed: without them it's really hard for 2handers to get into the melee.

Seems like you don't understand, turning doesnt increase damage, it DECREASE it. But also it gives SPEED.

-it's not obvious that shield allow better blocking. From some perspective, yes, from other, it's awful.
-like 2h, 2h have more chances actually.
-like 2h who is not in combat and use shield
-not really faster, on par, counting stun. on the other hand lack damage and reach so sucks and is plain inferior.
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Re: Buff 1h swords speed
« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2011, 01:22:26 am »
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1h are overall much faster already.

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Re: Buff 1h swords speed
« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2011, 01:31:42 am »
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Seems like you don't understand, turning doesnt increase damage, it DECREASE it. But also it gives SPEED.

-it's not obvious that shield allow better blocking. From some perspective, yes, from other, it's awful.
-like 2h, 2h have more chances actually.
-like 2h who is not in combat and use shield
-not really faster, on par, counting stun. on the other hand lack damage and reach so sucks and is plain inferior.


Wtf does any of that even mean? Writing paragraphs in point form = fail.

'-it's not obvious that shield allow better blocking. From some perspective, yes, from other, it's awful.' 

What the hell is that supposed to mean? How the hell can a shield allow better blocking from some perspectives but not from others? Maybe if the person with the shield has a broken second mouse button...? How is it awful in anyway? Shield is the easiest and most useful form of blocking in c-RPG. To argue against that is just ludicrous, bro.

'2h have more chances'

How? Anyone who uses a 2h wep as their main but carries a shield has obviously sacrificed WPF and skill points to wield the shield so in fact they have a disadvantage against someone who's pure sword/board. It's much harder then you'd imagine avoiding damage without carrying a shield. You need great footwork and it helps having a decent pc/ping.


I can't understand your terrible argument bro... are you trying to say you think 1h speed needs a buff? That's what I'm thinkin you're saying and I can't help but lmao hard. Rerry hard.

So which 2h's are you saying are faaaar superior to 1h speed/dmg? You're failing to grasp the concept that when you're wielding a shield AND a weapon, you have penalties.

If you have footwork problems, I feel bad for ya son but, I got 99 problems and getting a hit aint one.

Play more, bitch less?

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Re: Buff 1h swords speed
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2011, 01:35:53 am »
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ok those are the weak sides of the 1handed (even some are quite wrong, turning doesn't increase damage, it was tested and there's a topic about that somewhere in the TW forum), but you fail to consider that there are also good notes in 1h and board.

-it's way easier to block with a shield
-you have more possibiliy to survive against 2 or more opponents
-you are protecded from ranged
-2handed can't stun much anymore in crpg due the increased weight of most of the shields.
-without a shield you are actually faster than everything but the katana

2handed and shielders have different roles in battlfield, ok in 1vs1 2handed might be slightly better but in the overall balance of a battle I find the shielders much more important than 2handed: without them it's really hard for 2handers to get into the melee.


I completely agree. Human shields are what helps me and my maul get to the front lines :D Without sword n boarders I'd be screwed in a lot of group situations ;)


With a shield you don't even need to worry about which direction you're blocking as apposed to blocking with a wep.


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Re: Buff 1h swords speed
« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2011, 02:03:47 am »
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Wtf does any of that even mean? Writing paragraphs in point form = fail.

'-it's not obvious that shield allow better blocking. From some perspective, yes, from other, it's awful.' 

What the hell is that supposed to mean? How the hell can a shield allow better blocking from some perspectives but not from others? Maybe if the person with the shield has a broken second mouse button...? How is it awful in anyway? Shield is the easiest and most useful form of blocking in c-RPG. To argue against that is just ludicrous, bro.

'2h have more chances'

How? Anyone who uses a 2h wep as their main but carries a shield has obviously sacrificed WPF and skill points to wield the shield so in fact they have a disadvantage against someone who's pure sword/board. It's much harder then you'd imagine avoiding damage without carrying a shield. You need great footwork and it helps having a decent pc/ping.


I can't understand your terrible argument bro... are you trying to say you think 1h speed needs a buff? That's what I'm thinkin you're saying and I can't help but lmao hard. Rerry hard.

So which 2h's are you saying are faaaar superior to 1h speed/dmg? You're failing to grasp the concept that when you're wielding a shield AND a weapon, you have penalties.

If you have footwork problems, I feel bad for ya son but, I got 99 problems and getting a hit aint one.

Play more, bitch less?

Read my point and read with comprehension .

Shield blocking is less responsive as shields have speed stat, you know?

2h have more chances to deal with two opponents. He can kill one more swiftly and can do more tricks with his range.

You can use no shield skill shield. 0 points wasted. Even subpar 2h builds have edge over pure 1h builds.

THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR INCREASING SWORD SPEEDS ABOVE CURRENT BEST SWORD IN THE RANGE (101). IT IS TO CREATE INTERNAL BALANCE IN SWORD CATEGORY, RIGHT NOW ONE SWORD (side sword) IS PLAIN SUPERIOR TO THE OTHER SWORDS WITH SIMILAR RANGE. I WANT THE OTHER SWORDS BUFFED TO BRING BACK INTERNAL BALANCE TO THIS CLASS OF WEAPONS.

GET  IT ?


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Re: Buff 1h swords speed
« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2011, 02:13:05 am »
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nonono

i have been playing 1h very successfully lately and they dont need a speed buff at all - and im only fighting with 130 wpf and 14 agi

its really easy to spam people with my 1h - as easy as with 2h

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Re: Buff 1h swords speed
« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2011, 02:13:59 am »
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LMAO!   :rolleyes:

How am I supposed to comprehend something that looks like a 3rd grade art project?

I can tell you're nerd raging without the gargantuan bold all caps red font, rofl!!! That was just overkill :P

You're STILL failing to realize that people using 2hers pulling 'tricks' as you called them are obviously skilled players in order to utilize all the tools they have available to them. A skilled player, regardless of what wep. he's using, is going to do well.

Have you seen Balbaroth? I believe he's the epitome of how to utilize sword/board to max. advantage... and he's using a scimitar. Be it multiple heirloomed.


I think the real problem here is, you aren't really all that great at the game and obviously don't understand blocking mechanics.

When he's holding his wep. to swing at you and you drop your block to attack him... that's not very smart.

Your argument is just so trivial man... give it a rest.

There's much worse things going on in this world then you not being able to have the 'INTERNAL BALANCE IN SWORD CATEGORY

GET IT?
 Of course you don't.


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Re: Buff 1h swords speed
« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2011, 02:14:38 am »
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nonono

i have been playing 1h very successfully lately and they dont need a speed buff at all - and im only fighting with 130 wpf and 14 agi

its really easy to spam people with my 1h - as easy as with 2h

^This.

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Re: Buff 1h swords speed
« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2011, 02:19:35 am »
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^This.

Does this invalidate my thread ? No.

Don't just look at the thread name, read it.

1h do fine with side sword and side sword, other 95 range swords sucks. GET IT ?

Also, i'm one of the best sword and board users, so you fail.

WTF you people think it's about buffing 1h swords speed in general. It's just about buffing speed of least used weapons like simple sword, sword, nordic sword, arming sword, nordic warsword etc. WTF you guys don't understand ?
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Re: Buff 1h swords speed
« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2011, 02:42:41 am »
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Does this invalidate my thread ? No.

Don't just look at the thread name, read it.

1h do fine with side sword and side sword, other 95 range swords sucks. GET IT ?

Also, i'm one of the best sword and board users, so you fail.

WTF you people think it's about buffing 1h swords speed in general. It's just about buffing speed of least used weapons like simple sword, sword, nordic sword, arming sword, nordic warsword etc. WTF you guys don't understand ?


Why not gather together a decent rebuttal for my real post instead of the one word post? Because you know I'm right and you fail *smacks head*  :shock:



Why the hell would they need to buff speeds of less used swords that cost WAY less...?

So a 2,000 gold sword should have the same stats as a 8,000 gold sword?

Dude, you fail.

You're one of the best sword and boarders? Do you play N/A? What's your character name?

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Re: Buff 1h swords speed
« Reply #41 on: January 18, 2011, 02:50:37 am »
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I think it should take at least one minute for every weapon to swing

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Re: Buff 1h swords speed
« Reply #42 on: January 18, 2011, 03:55:29 am »
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Why not gather together a decent rebuttal for my real post instead of the one word post? Because you know I'm right and you fail *smacks head*  :shock:



Why the hell would they need to buff speeds of less used swords that cost WAY less...?

So a 2,000 gold sword should have the same stats as a 8,000 gold sword?

Dude, you fail.

You're one of the best sword and boarders? Do you play N/A? What's your character name?

Why don't you respond to my post, instead you are plain wrong in your opinions.

To make them actual choice ?

Not the same stats, similar speed stats. Best weapons should pay premium for the fact they are best, not outclass every other weapon to the current point.

Dude, you fail.

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Re: Buff 1h swords speed
« Reply #43 on: January 18, 2011, 11:19:17 am »
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THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR INCREASING SWORD SPEEDS ABOVE CURRENT BEST SWORD IN THE RANGE (101). IT IS TO CREATE INTERNAL BALANCE IN SWORD CATEGORY, RIGHT NOW ONE SWORD (side sword) IS PLAIN SUPERIOR TO THE OTHER SWORDS WITH SIMILAR RANGE. I WANT THE OTHER SWORDS BUFFED TO BRING BACK INTERNAL BALANCE TO THIS CLASS OF WEAPONS.

GET  IT ?



FOLLOWING YOUR ARGUMENT, THERE SHOULD BE BALANCE IN THE 2H SWORD CATEGORY AS WELL, RIGHT NOW ONE SWORD (KATANA) HAS 102 SPEED WHILE ALL OTHERS 2H HAVE 92-94 SO IT'S PLAIN SUPERIOR TO THE OTHER 2H SWORDS AND EVERYBODY USES IT. I WANT THE OTHER SWORDS BUFFED TO BRING BACK INTERNAL BALANCE TO THIS CLASS OF WEAPONS.

GET IT?


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Re: Buff 1h swords speed
« Reply #44 on: January 18, 2011, 02:28:02 pm »
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Katana have 95 range. Other 2h swords have more range. In my suggestion, only swords with range similar to side sword, with all 4 attack directions, would be buffed (and even then i suggested for them speed 100 and 101 to bring some diversity). Get it ?
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