The upkeep problem: My perspective as far as new players are concerned.

[Bobthehero]

You ever used heavy armor? I feel slowed down enough as it is right now.

[Vibe]

I did and it doesn't feel that slower. I believe it should slow you down even more.

[Bobthehero]

Oh yeah that'll be great! Swing your long espada as slow as fucking hammer...

[Vibe]

Well I was leaning more towards movement speed reduction, not attack speed reduction.

[Gorath]

Well I was leaning more towards movement speed reduction, not attack speed reduction.

Same

[Jarlek]

You ever used heavy armor? I feel slowed down enough as it is right now.

It doesn't slow you down that much at all. My shield (Heavy Round Shield) slows my movement roughly 50% (combat movement, not sprint movement), plate armour almost nothing. This is just wrong.

Talking movement speed here, btw, although it should also get a bit a swing speed reduction. NOT wpf reduction, but swing speed reduction. Even with only 1 wpf and plate, one can swing too fast.

[Dezilagel]

My shield (Heavy Round Shield) slows my movement roughly 50%

Dude, if you're trying to prove a point, ridiculous exaggeration doesn't help...
   

[Jarlek]

Dude, if you're trying to prove a point, ridiculous exaggeration doesn't help...
   

Dude, it's not exaggeration. That's the sad part

[Vibe]

Depends what do you mean by "combat movement", otherwise I call this bs.

[Jarlek]

Depends what do you mean by "combat movement", otherwise I call this bs.

When you are running around attacking/blocking. The sprint speeds aren't that different. The combat speed is.

[Vibe]

When you are running around attacking/blocking. The sprint speeds aren't that different. The combat speed is.

IIRC everyone that is blocking is slowed down by about 50%, no matter the shield or no shield. You are extra slowed down by the weight of the shield, but that's not even close to losing 50% of the speed.

[Dezilagel]

When you are running around attacking/blocking. The sprint speeds aren't that different. The combat speed is.

I call bullshit, I've been using a shield and I had no problems keeping up with people.

Sure they weigh quite a lot but then:

1. It's not "dead" weight as heavy shield means thrust stun galore for the opponent

2. If you want to move quicker you can just grab a lighter shield (Elite cav is my fav, although just a regular cheap-ass round cav shield will hold up enough if you put it away when not needed) and tap-block.

It's very effective.

If you hold down that rmb you are going to move slower, but then that is true for all weapons.

EDIT: Vibe, I think it's ~17% for blocking and ~50% for backpeddaling.

[Vibe]

EDIT: Vibe, I think it's ~17% for blocking and ~50% for backpeddaling.

Oh right, I have mistaken backpeddaling values for blocking values

[Jarlek]

IIRC everyone that is blocking is slowed down by about 50%, no matter the shield or no shield. You are extra slowed down by the weight of the shield, but that's not even close to losing 50% of the speed.

It's the extra speed from the shield I am talking about. And I am comparing the movement speed when you are fighting with a shield and when you are fighting without a shield. It's quite a lot. So much that's pretty stupid how much one is slowed down when you have a shield.

[Vibe]

It's the extra speed from the shield I am talking about. And I am comparing the movement speed when you are fighting with a shield and when you are fighting without a shield. It's quite a lot. So much that's pretty stupid how much one is slowed down when you have a shield.

I don't know about the shield you're using but when I used Elite Cavalry Shield I didn't feel slowed down at all.