Why do we even need upkeep anymore?

[DrKronic]

Incorrectly believes all old players have a million Gold

I'm Gen 16(well more like 20+ but quite a few nerfs to high end characters reduced me quite a bit, hard to remember what "GEN" I really would be), I'm also habitually broke ingame(with good reason, you'll see)

You're actually incorrect about thinking all old players are just sitting on some giant pile of gold,  I play in progressively better gear on my way to x5

(i.e. plate, well for me I prefer Elite on the high end but hell its like 1300 upkeep so I'd say thats expensive)

Because the extra gold u earn balances the repair costs on higher multi, and if u win less repair chance so it goes together

anyways, I never keep a large amount of gold on hand as if I earn 200K+ I'm buying someones family jewel

ATM this generation I'm up to 100k(from nearly 0k when I retired last time, I'm about 1.5 million xp from retirement)

 because I play to make money, means on x1 I wear light mail(9.5 weight body armor but top "tier" boots/gloves/helm as those are relatively low upkeep

*but very worthwhile in adding overall armor*

for instance wearing black plate boots/lamellar gauntlets/veiled helm(+8 hand/+40 boots/+47 helm) with a 10 weight byrnie(+37/+6)

all those items are basically in the 200-400 gold range repair zone

 u end up in relatively high value armor for low upkeep, but as u win I find its easiest to change the chest piece I'm using with whatever multi is going on atm

If u play the "upkeep" game correctly u make money and wear the best items ingame when appropriate, this makes more sense than everyone wearing black plate

As u win earn the right to make money in that heavier armor,  honestly the mechanism of repair works quite well imo

ALSO @ WHOMEVER STARTED THIS ONE-----> WHAT IS THIS "LIE iDEA" IN THE THREAD ABOUT AN ARMY OF "LV 25 GEN 1 ALL MAGIC ITEMS CHARACTERS" CONQUERING THE GAME WORLD, COME ON NOOBS THAT IS NONEXISTANT

Seriously, did farmer nate present that theory originally or what........

[Acera]

That's just the impression I got from other people's posts. Regardless of viability it's still a lazy way to balance something.

[Miranda]

Some very good replies!

I must say that in the beginning of the new upkeep system i was not amused by it one bit and posted a few times about it.
After taking a short break from M&B Warband C-rpg i came back with a different mindset (and a respec to cav/inf hybride). I must say the upkeep makes better sense for me now.

Maybe it was because when the new upkeep had gone live i just had bought some new shining armor and i was very disappointed that i couldnt use it (all the time).

Now i just use mid/low tier armor and weapons and im having fun AND making money. When i think: "alright lets have some fun and use my shining armor and or Charger for a few rounds", i can without it being a problem financial-wise.

It took me a little while and reading some posts that makes sense to me, like the ones above, i can finally say that i get it. 

Just sharing my experience. 

[BlackMilk]

There wasnt any ''everyone was in plate back then'' there's in fact more plater now than before, I personally don't mind, but whiners will whine.

But there is a "everybody would be in plate now if the system was still the same"

[Bobthehero]

there's in fact more plater now than before, I personally don't mind, but whiners will whine.

[Acera]

So I took what people have been saying into account and decided to play with cloth robes, a hood, the first gloves and leather boots. Along with my danish greatsword. Still losing money. FML

[Leshma]

So I took what people have been saying into account and decided to play with cloth robes, a hood, the first gloves and leather boots. Along with my danish greatsword. Still losing money. FML

Whine as much as you want, upkeep stays

[polkafranzi]

Whine as much as you want, upkeep stays

Ofc, why would upkeep matter to you when you aim to sell things for ridiculous gold? 

Leshma    Lordly Rus Scale Armor       1800000

Some poor people are poor (literally)

[Acera]

I'm not trying to whine I'm adding my experiences to a topic that wasn't made by me. It isn't just me either, my buddy started at the same time as me and feels the exact same way.

[Leshma]

Ofc, why would upkeep matter to you when you aim to sell things for ridiculous gold? 

Leshma    Lordly Rus Scale Armor       1800000

Some poor people are poor (literally)

If it bothers you so much I'll take it off. It's not for sale anyways

[Tears of Destiny]

Why we still need upkeep:

As a general reply:
Not sure why I'm even repeating that, but there were two options.

- total wipes in frequent intervals,
- upkeep

If you don't see the necessity for either of those, please stay the fuck away from game design.

cRPG was dying before the upkeep patch. We lost like 10 to 50 players per day. People lost interest in the senseless grind, new players left right away. That big patch has caused a boost in players, and kept the playerbase at a constant level since that day, more or less, with a bit of an longterm increase.

I has numbers to proof!

/Thread

[Acera]

I just don't see how I can even play if I lose money when basically only using my weapon. The total for the rest of my gear was 4 upkeep.

[Miranda]

I just don't see how I can even play if I lose money when basically only using my weapon. The total for the rest of my gear was 4 upkeep.

Are you still using that Danish Greatsword of bankruptcy?

[Acera]

I guess I should use a club until I have 1000000 gold

Edit: direct quotation from tears' newbie guide, "If you are trying to earn money for something, try and keep your gear at about 18K to 30K in total cost. I find that keeping my gear between 10K to 20K allows me to remain competitive yet make a lot of money."

Mine's 17.4k and I lose more than I gain.

[Miranda]

I guess I should use a club until I have 1000000 gold

I would advice to take a bit better armor and a lesser weapon like... for example (what i use when i want to make gold)

- Norman Helmet
- Light Kuyak
- Mail Mittens
- Mail Chausses
- Iron Staff (im a polearm player, i switch back and forth with Great Long Axe depending on the multi)

Total equipment: 15,092 gold.

That way im up on gold for around 160.000 gold

Mine's 17.4k and I lose more than I gain.

Yeah again, thats because of the Danish Greatsword of bankruptcy. I belive one tick of repair will cost you around 900 gold. So again take a bit of better armor and keep the DGS in the bank for better financial times.