Meet the Archer and Crossbowwoman!

[Paul]

Sorry Paul, but price is not the future of weapon. And even not an argument in this discussion

wrong. well, you can discuss all you want. for those who make decisions here price is a "future".

[MadJackMcMad]

Your loadout cost 34,307 gold. Do not mislead people.

And yes, I want to see this 5000lbf crossbow too. Incredible researching.
Even this thingy has only 4800lbf - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.338_Lapua_Magnum

It will be 4 slots.

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Masterwork Arbalest
Steel Bolts
Tempered Langes Messer

Kettle Helmet
Haubergeon
Leather Gloves
Rus Cavalry Boots

The site clearly states "Armor: 36h 41b 25l Cost: 62,530 gold Slots: 4/4"

If I manually add up the purchase cost of each item, it comes to 36,211.  The difference is heirlooms I believe, something I did not realise previously.

[Malaclypse]

Both are so, so much less accurate, so much slower than in Native. Going back to play ranged on POM or something is hilarious. Laser guided machine guns which, while less damaging than cRPG, still mow people down due to the lack of heavier armors. It feels much more balanced here.

[Cup1d]

People do not like to get shot, and the rate of fire was unrealistic.  When the rate of fire was lowered the damage was increased to compensate.  If this had not been done, then crossbows would account for 2.5% of deaths, rather than their current 5%.

I see your idea about decreasing rate of fire but add damage perfectly working with xbows. In cRPG xbow lost 20 weapon speed but receive + 20 to damage.
Can you tell me why this idea do not working with bows? Bows speed was reduced by 20-30 weapn speed for all bows. Projectile speed was reduced by 40%. Accuracy was reduced with new wpf  system. Damage was greatly reduced with cut damage bows. Arrows quantity was reduced. And many more. We have 8 bows, but at least 4 of them is useless trash. What do you think Grumpy - how «Fair» this is?

[Elerion]

People do not like to get shot, and the rate of fire was unrealistic.  When the rate of fire was lowered the damage was increased to compensate.  If this had not been done, then crossbows would account for 2.5% of deaths, rather than their current 5%.

The number of kills made by crossbows is not a relevant balance figure unless you also know the share of people using crossbows (dedicated).

[MadJackMcMad]

I see your idea about decreasing rate of fire but add damage perfectly working with xbows. In cRPG xbow lost 20 weapon speed but receive + 20 to damage.
Can you tell me why this idea do not working with bows? Bows speed was reduced by 20-30 weapn speed for all bows. Projectile speed was reduced by 40%. Accuracy was reduced with new wpf  system. Damage was greatly reduced with cut damage bows. Arrows quantity was reduced. And many more. We have 8 bows, but at least 4 of them is useless trash. What do you think Grumpy - how «Fair» this is?

Archery is shit.  I agree with you.  But that doesn't presuppose crossbows are overpowered.

[Mouse]

Native was balanced.

Then cRPG came. People wanted to wear full plate and use giant 2H swords without shields. In Native, 2H are countered by cavalry and archers. 2H spammers complained and refused to go 1H/shield to counter archers. Archery got nerfed. Then cavalry were too powerful because archers couldn't counter them and no one wanted to bring pikes. So they nerfed cavalry. And Archery got nerfed again just for the hell of it. Then throwing weapons were the only counter to 2H spam left so they got nerfed too. And then they nerfed archery a few more times. And now everyone runs around in heavier armor with a big weapon and a crossbow, or a medium weapon and a sniper crossbow. And the devs think this is okay because they think kill statistics are meaningful without usage statistics.

[RagnarLodbroke]

I see your idea about decreasing rate of fire but add damage perfectly working with xbows. In cRPG xbow lost 20 weapon speed but receive + 20 to damage.
Can you tell me why this idea do not working with bows? Bows speed was reduced by 20-30 weapn speed for all bows. Projectile speed was reduced by 40%. Accuracy was reduced with new wpf  system. Damage was greatly reduced with cut damage bows. Arrows quantity was reduced. And many more. We have 8 bows, but at least 4 of them is useless trash. What do you think Grumpy - how «Fair» this is?

i really Agree with Cup1d here! He have got some really good arguments...as usal!

"How fair is this"? its unfair...Enough said!

[Keshian]

Please clearly state what you desire.  Do you wish crossbows to be removed entirely?  Do you wish their damage to be decreased - which would in effect remove them:  Sever statistics show that crossbows account for 5% of deaths.  Would you like that to be 2.5% instead - so that one death in fifty is by crossbow?

I have been hearing those stats for 3 months now.  they are outdated with the current patch and are likely significantly higher now because of the changes made.

[RagnarLodbroke]

I have been hearing those stats for 3 months now.  they are outdated with the current patch and are likely significantly higher now because of the changes made.

True, i actually would love to see some new statistics!

Also, nice avatar

[MadJackMcMad]

I have been hearing those stats for 3 months now.  they are outdated with the current patch and are likely significantly higher now because of the changes made.

DID I HEAR STATISTICS TIME??????????

Eu1 last week: (12.7. to 18.7.)
One handed:         47578 (25.96%)
Two handed:        51864 (28.30%)
Polearms:         51689 (28.20%)
Bow:            13918 (7.59%)
Crossbows:          7563 (4.13%)
Thrown:          1978 (1.08%)
Headshot:          6630 (3.62%)
horsebump:          1982 (1.08%) nerf cav nao
Others:            62 (0.03%)

Try less than one month.

[Keshian]

Try less than one month.

Do you have a more recent one as more and more people switched to xbow??  I know that was either just before or just after the latest patch.  Also, I dont know about EU but the xbow population on NA has doubled since then but it took a few weeks.

[MadJackMcMad]

Do you have a more recent one as more and more people switched to xbow??  I know that was either just before or just after the latest patch.  Also, I dont know about EU but the xbow population on NA has doubled since then but it took a few weeks.

Ask Fasader.  I'd be interested as well.  I am predicting a small rise due to inspirational threads like these, followed by a drop a few weeks later as people discover it ain't as good as they thought.

[Aleskander]

I'm an archer with a shortened spear and I kill plenty of people in melee, with 0 points in polearms.
I'm not saying that I'm great in melee, but skills>stats.

[Fasader]

Do you have a more recent one as more and more people switched to xbow??  I know that was either just before or just after the latest patch.  Also, I dont know about EU but the xbow population on NA has doubled since then but it took a few weeks.

25th to 31st july (eu1)
Bow:            12851 (7.52%)
Crossbows:          7599 (4.45%)
Thrown:          2130 (1.25%)
Headshot:          6277 (3.68%)


1st to 7th august (eu1)
Bow:            12010 (7.06%)
Crossbows:          8560 (5.03%)
Thrown:          2067 (1.22%)
Headshot:          6172 (3.63%)


8th to 13th august (eu1)
Bow:             4812 (6.66%)
Crossbows:          3102 (4.29%)
Thrown:           866 (1.20%)
Headshot:          2373 (3.28%)

last week is kind of bad for statistics because of lag or whatever eu1 has usually only about 20ish people online.