Meet the Archer and Crossbowwoman!

[Elerion]

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: We shoot ranged weapons!

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: I have dedicated my life to being an archer. I can't do anything else, but that's okay, because I love shooting! This is my level 30 build!
24/18
8 PD
6 WM
3 Ath
154 WPF Archery

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: I have dedicated my life to being a crossbowwoman... but then I had lots of points left, so I can run 25% faster than you and also melee very well! This is my level 30 build!
15/24
2 IF
5 PS
8 WM
8 Ath
154 WPF Crossbow
100 WPF Two-handed

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: I use a Longbow and 2x Bodkin Arrows. That costs 21,200 gold!

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: I use an Arbalest and 2x Steel Bolts. That costs 23,922 gold!

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: My reticule stays like that for roughly a quarter of a second, then it expands back out!

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: My reticule stays that way forever!

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: When we shoot naked people in the chest, they die in one shot!

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: When I shoot someone wearing light armor in the chest, I do this much damage!
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: When I shoot someone wearing light armor in the chest, I do this much damage!
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: When I shoot someone wearing heavy armor in the chest, I do this much damage!
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: When I shoot someone wearing heavy armor in the chest, I do this much damage!
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: So let's see... you have a more accurate reticule, you can hold your reticule steady forever, your missiles fly straighter, your missiles are faster, you do more damage, you can wear more armor with less penalty, and you have plenty of skillpoints left so you can outrun people and do well in melee. Are you better at everything?

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: Well, you can shoot more often than me.

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: Let's try!

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: In 1 minute, I shot 18 arrows!

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: In 1 minute, I shot 8 bolts!

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: Well, that's a pretty big difference... anything else?

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: You can reload while moving!

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: True! I can reload while moving! I guess that's something...

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: You're really nice, by the way! Best friends for life? Hey, where did you go?

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[Cyclopsided]

More people need to lobby this way.

[Paul]

Only shows that we are not racist.

[Tydeus]

About time someone did something like this.

[Elerion]

For the curious: The "medium armor" worn by the shooters was Light Kuyak, Helmet with Lamellar Guard, Rus Cav Boots and Leather Gloves.

The target I shot at had 55 hp.
The "light armor" the target wore was Tribal Warrior Outfit and Mail Mittens.
The "heavy armor" the target wore was Coat of Plates and I forgot to ask which gloves.

[ZigZag]

I don't know about you, but being able to move while reloading is a pretty huge deal. So is the speed of the weapon. As an archer your rectile may be bigger than the one of a crossbowman because you're using a longbow instead of a Rus bow (which has an accuracy of 101 without heirlooming). Moving? It saves my life so many times, being able to dodge enemy missiles and run / kite plate wearers. As a crossbowman, you can't do that, that's why you have to have some sort of a melee hybird build to defend yourself. There was already posts about archer and crossbowman and how both are balanced with pros and cons. Nice job with the pictures though.

[Keshian]

I don't know about you, but being able to move while reloading is a pretty huge deal. So is the speed of the weapon. As an archer your rectile may be bigger than the one of a crossbowman because you're using a longbow instead of a Rus bow (which has an accuracy of 101 without heirlooming). Moving? It saves my life so many times, being able to dodge enemy missiles and run / kite plate wearers. As a crossbowman, you can't do that, that's why you have to have some sort of a melee hybird build to defend yourself. There was already posts about archer and crossbowman and how both are balanced with pros and cons. Nice job with the pictures though.

And the xbowmen can jump and shoot accurately unlike an archer.  The rus bow would not have been comparative at all for damage on anything mid-tier armor or above (like 1/10th health isntead of the 45-55% shown.)  I see xbowmen dodge all the time and its really nice to be able to reload at leisure behind a crenellation/wall/tree/shielder/etc. and then pop out to shoot only when you choose to rather than having to go immediately as you draw back your bow wihtin a 1/4 second to shoot accurately.  Much harder to dodge a fast travelling xbow bolt now than a slow moving arrow.  May have been closer to balanced pre-last patch, but certainly not now.

[Garem]

This is every kind of fantastic.

[Cup1d]

Interesting. As I remember Paul said that arrow from Longbow with 6 pd have projectile speed 52 and Arbalest bolts have 60. Your test just show that even with 8PD Longbow arrow flying much slower than bolts. Therefore arrow have bad arc, low range, decreased damage etc...

[EponiCo]

I don't know about you, but being able to move while reloading is a pretty huge deal. So is the speed of the weapon. As an archer your rectile may be bigger than the one of a crossbowman because you're using a longbow instead of a Rus bow (which has an accuracy of 101 without heirlooming). Moving? It saves my life so many times, being able to dodge enemy missiles and run / kite plate wearers. As a crossbowman, you can't do that, that's why you have to have some sort of a melee hybird build to defend yourself. There was already posts about archer and crossbowman and how both are balanced with pros and cons. Nice job with the pictures though.

There's a simple fix for that, get cover. It also makes the chance that a shield user spots you and goes for the easy kill far less likely. Not that you can't run away in a pinch. True, you kind of miss run and gun in a couple of situations (mostly it makes it hard to keep up with a group), but pure crossbow is certainly very viable with arbalest, it's just you have so many points left it isn't worth it to convert them all for 10 extra wpf.

[Vibe]

Epic. Simply epic.

[Miralay]

Indeed this is an epic topic, I almost start to pity on archers...

But wait, this reticule  is still not large enough to miss my horse  Bad bad archers, you need more nerf!

[Mtemtko]

I can't wait to see DaveUKR respond to this, will most likely say that PD makes bows shoot as fast as arbalest......

[Wookimonsta]

hah, made me lol. you have convinced me to want xbows nerfed

[POOPHAMMER]

I agree with this wholeheartedly, as both a crossbowman and archer. Crossbowmen have it wayyyyyy too easy in a standpoint of where skillpoints are spent.