Longbow is the new number 1 bow, and a masterwork one with a 9 pd build and 149 wpf is gonna hurt, a lot. The Warbow however does crap damage and everyone is dumping it.no, warbow is fine. If you go 9pd 149wpf the war bow pwns all other bows
I suggest these bows get tweaked so the Warbow is finally a good choice, the Strongbow and especially the Longbow are simply better atm!
~Fishy
makes it a bit unfair compared to my dedicated xbower that deals as much damage with an arbalest wich takes far longer to reload, cant shoot as far and cant move while reloading.
well im off before i get all the archer rage in meh face saying I'm QQing
Nice, let us compare the wpf I put into my bow, then the wpf you put into your crossbow. the same? Cool...
How many skill points do I put into stuff like Power Draw, and how much do you... oh wait... :mrgreen:
Everything has drawbacks and advantages.
no, warbow is fine. If you go 9pd 149wpf the war bow pwns all other bowsI recently learned that using the longbow vs distant targets is pretty much a bad idea (though my wpf isn't that high). I think I went through most my arrows without even getting one hit. The warbow on the other hand is very good against distant targets.
long is great vs tin cans, shit vs range and agi builds
warbow is good vs all do to rate of fire and damg
my only gripe with it it that it two shots even with heavy armor and if in the legs! op or not? dunno but i dont find it fun! (+ the ninja jump round preparing the shot in the air...)Archer probably had high powerdraw.
makes it a bit unfair compared to my dedicated xbower that deals as much damage with an arbalest wich takes far longer to reload, cant shoot as far and cant move while reloading.
well im off before i get all the archer rage in meh face saying I'm QQing
I recently learned that using the longbow vs distant targets is pretty much a bad idea (though my wpf isn't that high). I think I went through most my arrows without even getting one hit. The warbow on the other hand is very good against distant targets.
isnt longbow suppose to be a long range weapon?IDK I'm fine with how accurate (or inaccurate) the longbow is. I know realism is not the ultimate thing when it comes to balancing a game but IRL they were used in 'volley' fire and I don't think they were super accurate. Powerful though? Yes. However 2 shots taking out a lordly milanese wearer does seem pretty ridiculous. I agree. If there was a way to have plate armors basically be invulnerable to archers it would be something to try. I know a lot of archers wouldn't like that much realism though.
oh yea people in lordly milanese plate get two shot by longbow :rolleyes:
Actually, archers with longbow tend to get owned by archers with warbow, providing the same skill.
So yes, longbow is a tincan killer (well, more than the other cutting bows, that's sure) but the warbow is FAR from needing a buff.
For all xbows user whining about archery :(click to show/hide)
Gurnisson and Poophammer are doing perfectly fine with their absolute accuracy at even long range, and less than 1sec reload speed at 160 and more wpf.
Because longbow takes a lot of skill, something that most of these longbowmen don't have. So they're food for every other archer.
About as much skill as a crossbow, but the longbow has better aim.
About as much skill as a crossbow, but the longbow has better aim.LMAO. Wait, are you trolling me or are you really being that wrong not on purpose?
LMAO. Wait, are you trolling me or are you really being that wrong not on purpose?
LMAO. Wait, are you trolling me or are you really being that wrong not on purpose?
I use an arbalest on my main with 160 wpf, and I tried out a skip to 30 dedicated archer with a longbow at 160 wpf, with the same amount of armor that I use on my xbow, and the longbow reticle was better. The longbow can fire faster obviously, and with enough power draw can do the same amount of damage. So no, I'm not trolling.
Miight have something to do with those Chaos fellows wearing a crapton of armor compared to what we archers use, and thus get clubbed senselessly with the wpf restrictions.
At the practical limit of 7 WM at 30th level, the longbow does not have as tight of a reticule as an Arb' does, but if I take as much armor with my Arb' character as most people do then yeah the Longbow has a better reticule.
After another week of testing:fail, u cant get 149wpf and 9pd.
Longbow is the new number 1 bow, and a masterwork one with a 9 pd build and 149 wpf is gonna hurt, a lot.
The Arbalest is ridiculously accurate for the damage that it does, I can't imagine how accurate it is at MW level.
Dave with 168 wpf almost onehit me when I wore a Lordly Kuyak+plate mittens.
The servers I've been on lately are all infested with Longbows and Arbalests. Ranged spam has returned and its getting ridiculous, the team with the most longbows and arbalests just wins most of the time.
I suggest both get a damage nerf, I think xbow accuracy is fine if damage is lowered.
~Fishy
fail, u cant get 149wpf and 9pd.
After reading that i didnt even read on, i dont want to read lies
Longbow can move while reloading, allowing it to dodge and thus requiring less to no armor. The Arb' must stand still for 2-3 seconds while reloading, as a perfect stationary target for ranged without the ability to dodge unless cancelling the reload. It requires armor.I agree. Regardless, your "required armor" is lowering your wpf thus making my point still stand.
148 listed, but not effective. PD lowers WPF.
And you realize native is a longbower this gen, and I believe has masterworked his longbow if I'm not mistaken.
I could have sworn that the Devs already disproved the PD lowering accuracy thing :/
And yes, I do realize it, and I have yet to be impressed. He is a fine fine melee user, but he has yet to grasp the "EZ Mode" of Pew Pew to my satisfaction. C'mone Native it is a point-and-click adventure!
quite the opposite. They added the wpf penalty per PD point because PD increases accuracy per point. By having the wpf penalty, it not only stops the rail-gunners, but it helps nullify the accuracy boost.
A 1.3 kdr isn't too shabby. Better than your average archer. I get shot in the back by teammate 9 PD archers more than any other type of archer.
::On topic::
I would say out of all the ranged classes, bows need the least rebalancing.
Longbow can move while reloading, allowing it to dodge and thus requiring less to no armor. The Arb' must stand still for 2-3 seconds while reloading, as a perfect stationary target for ranged without the ability to dodge unless cancelling the reload. It requires armor.Yes, on the rare map that doesn't have even a tree for cover. In all other cases, the crossbowman only ever exposes himself to ranged fire for less than a second to squeeze off his bolt at someone.
148 listed, but not effective. PD lowers WPF.PD doesnt lower WPF nor does it add accuracy. It used to lower accuracy, but they removed that.
And you realize native is a longbower this gen, and I believe has masterworked his longbow if I'm not mistaken.
Yes, on the rare map that doesn't have even a tree for cover. In all other cases, the crossbowman only ever exposes himself to ranged fire for less than a second to squeeze off his bolt at someone.
Oh, comparing crossbows to bows always leads to good things.
They just should stop the possibilty to jumpshoot.This will incease the amount of rage-inducing running achers.
PD doesnt lower WPF nor does it add accuracy. It used to lower accuracy, but they removed that.Regardless, either way the build you were talking about is very possible and "not full of lies" so psh psh psh.
Yes, on the rare map that doesn't have even a tree for cover. In all other cases, the crossbowman only ever exposes himself to ranged fire for less than a second to squeeze off his bolt at someone.
Oh, comparing crossbows to bows always leads to good things.
I agree that the comparison between bows and xbows is silly. Personally I think they're both fine and doing what they're supposed to be doing.So you call xbows onehitting and longbows twohitting fine?
I was merely pointing out WHY xbowers are almost always seen in much heavier armor than archers.
All my old friendcers now start crying about my comment. They would say no it's not that overpowered etc. But everyday people becoming morearchersxbows and it's getting more counter strike medieval.
Fixed.Fixed.I forgot the Longbowmen.
Fixed.
It don't matter. Ranged is ranged.Learn to dodge nubbie! :lol:
They can decrease arrow and bolt number instead of damage. But there is obivously something to decrease.
My solution both for HA's.
Oh yes, let's decrease the damage dealt by all bows so archers are completely useless until they can pick up a top-end bow and use it reliably...which usually happens around lvl 30.
All my old friendcers now start crying about my comment.
All my old friendcers now start crying about my comment.
Repeating myself instead of refuting a valid point.Melee already has significantly higher stats in Kills as well as KDR, this is proven with the Public stat recorder. Learn to play.
Melee already has significantly higher stats in Kills as well as KDR, this is proven with the Public stat recorder. Learn to play.Well of course, melee covers a lot of classes, the point is not score though.
Well of course, melee covers a lot of classes, the point is not score though.Yes, but Sultan was calling for a blanket nerf to All range which is just pointless and silly. If he was calling for an attack on Longbows then yes I would agree, but asking for a damage nerf on the rest of the range is rediculous. As he wanted to nerf and entire side of the coin, I defended the entire side of that coin.
The point is, whether or not a class deals damage too easily, atm, crossbows and longbowmen deal way too much damage compared to how much effort is put into it.
And on the score point again, I see both top the boards all the time. Which is highly situational and thus again, an invalid point.
Yes, but Sultan was calling for a blanket nerf to All range which is just pointless and silly. If he was calling for an attack on Longbows then yes I would agree, but asking for a damage nerf on the rest of the range is rediculous. As he wanted to nerf and entire side of the coin, I defended the entire side of that coin.First of all, I agree, there is nothing wrong with the other bows. However, I think if you nerf the arbalest, youd have to nerf xbows across the board to prevent other xbows from becoming much better.
http://www.nacrpg.net/serverStats.php?order=KDR&search=no&mode=all®ion=NA&page=1
Players can have up days and down days. The total score though does not lie.
I think they should decrease all bows' damages for balance's sake. Because a skilled longbowmen even can get you in one shot. Doing this is also effects HA's. I think their damage should be decreased. They can both shoot and ride away which is totally OP.I don't think ALL bows need reduced damage. Maybe some though. Maybe change longbow damage to cut instead of pierce. I don't agree with the gameplay mechanic of archers being able to defeat tin cans. It's just too silly, unrealistic and ridiculous to me. I think tin cans already have enough things to counter them such as blunt melee weapons and pierce melee weapons. Archers don't also need to 'fill' that role IMO.
All my old friendcers now start crying about my comment. They would say no it's not that overpowered etc. But everyday people becoming more archers and it's getting more counter strike medieval.
So you call xbows onehitting and longbows twohitting fine?
Come on, it's obviously not intended.
Maybe you dont agree on the Longbow, but the facts are there: in my lordly kuyak + plate mittens + 5 ironflesh + 18 str, I (almost) get oneshot by Arbalests and two shot most of the time by longbowmen.
Which is retarded.
not stronger than bows
What have you been smoking Seawied? Arbalests are deadly, sure, but if you don't throw a shitload of wpf into crossbows, you'll use one minute to reload and have a crosshair that won't fit the screen. Crossbows are better snipers for campers, bows are better for moving around and picking targets along your way, supporting teammates in their melee battles. Neither is really good as non-dedicated, both are good in their own way as dedicated. Problem?Problem is that they deal way too much damage, a few points off there and it's fixed.
Only thing I don't like is the regular crossbow being half-decent with no investment, but meh, not a big deal.
What have you been smoking Seawied? Arbalests are deadly, sure, but if you don't throw a shitload of wpf into crossbows, you'll use one minute to reload and have a crosshair that won't fit the screen. Crossbows are better snipers for campers, bows are better for moving around and picking targets along your way, supporting teammates in their melee battles. Neither is really good as non-dedicated, both are good in their own way as dedicated. Problem?
Only thing I don't like is the regular crossbow being half-decent with no investment, but meh, not a big deal.
The problem lies in the fact that anyone can pick up a top-tier crossbow with 0 invested wpf or skills and be incredibly deadly. Bows do not have this problem. A 10% damage nerf would still allow a dedicated crossbower to kill in the same amount of shots 98% of the time. It would prevent the 1 shotting of most high level non-agility builds though.So the problem is that you dont need any investment to use crossbows but instead of introducing something like wpf reqs you want a damage nerf which is completly useless in this case?
My opinion: Lower damage on xbows globably by about 10%, and add wpf requirement to all xbows except for hunting. the arbalest should require about 108 wpf, heavy should require 72, regular should require 96, light should require 84.
It would prevent the 1 shotting of most high level non-agility builds though.Do all of you guys run around nekkid? Really, wtf. Unless you mean headshots. But 1-shot body shots? Preposterous sir.
@Gorath: with exception to the hunting crossbow, all crossbows are very viable to use against any player in the game... even tin-cans! The only viable bows are Longbow and Warbow against any player, and the khergit bow against people without triple heirloomed plate armor.
sniper xbow oneshots too much
Can we please stay in reality for once? ^ That, does not happen.So true. I own one and I got enough wpf to perform well and everything, Im on level 25 or something and havent killed anyone who had full health in one shot yet.
Are your arbalest and bolts mw?