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Title: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: the real god emperor on April 13, 2017, 11:00:39 pm
Humans are predators and are omnivores, yes. But in modern world, food industry is so huge that animals are abused a fuck lot. Not seeing daylight and growing fast af, having a terrible life in general.This is not how nature works dude.And human is not superior to other beings in the world nor more valuable. I personally love meat and animal products, however I have those things lingering in my mind all the time. I think to myself, if more people had the will to stop this whole thing wouldn't be that bad. At best what I can do currently is purchasing meaty stuff :*) from local market.

What do you think /forum/?
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Asheram on April 13, 2017, 11:03:49 pm
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Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Xant on April 13, 2017, 11:04:16 pm
Vegetarianism provably lowers your IQ by about a dozen points. As a Turk, I'm not sure you can afford that.
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Gravoth_iii on April 13, 2017, 11:31:41 pm
Is this a pasta meme?

Anyways, buy local, buy ecological etc. Vegetables and salads are dope though, but meat doesnt have to be abandoned completely. Fish is also too good, never go full vegan.
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Torben on April 13, 2017, 11:41:20 pm
Yo I dig you pov,  have the same thoughts.  cant say Ill ever get my ass to actually do it though...  but its crazy inspiring to hang with those buddies of mine who fight the fight every day.
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: the real god emperor on April 13, 2017, 11:41:29 pm
Is this a pasta meme?

Wow is it that bad
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Gurgumul on April 13, 2017, 11:54:57 pm
100% agree on abusing animals stuff. Hunting your food with bare hands while being butt naked is the only proper and manly way of obtaining meat. Buying meat at your local supermarket is equal to being a flimsy farmer who humbly trades his shitty potatoes for big boy meat. The meat that we buy isn't even "true" meat anyway - most of it is trash-tier bred animals. Only naturally occuring animals that live in the wilderness classify as "true" meat. Bred animals are practically vegetables, pork being the lowest of the low (jews have known that for a long time). I don't despise the bred animals or anything - as a bottom tier white trash, I somewhat identify with them even. We were both bred by our "masters" (humans for animals, rich fucks for humans) to slave our lives away, and then die.

That being said, I won't become a vegetarian for a very simple reason. Meat tastes good and as a unit my choice of food is insignificant. Same as democratic voting - a single vote is meaningless, don't even try to deny that. It's all about how much influence on people you have. If you were rich and widely known like Donaldo, and you turned vegeterian, you could probably even revolutionize the food industry, lots of people would follow in your steps. But if you're just an average Yusuf and no one knows you, your actions and choices mean shit.

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Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Ikarus on April 14, 2017, 01:59:12 am
No

You´re better off treating meat as a luxury good (what it used to be and still should be) and try eating less but enjoy it more, also check quality and heritage before you buy

First try to eat meat less regulary on a long term and see how you like it

I couldn´t completely live without meat, we´re omnivores for a reason and vegetarians always look so withered, as if they´re lacking something vital. Our society is just overdoing it with the meat consumption and that´s an issue
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: LordBerenger on April 14, 2017, 02:10:06 am
Already stopped eating meat a while ago. Not that hard with all mock meat out there and science coming up with more cool stuff for every day that passes. Plus tasty plant based stuff overall.

But you should go all the way and become vegan instead though.

Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Asheram on April 14, 2017, 02:45:43 am
Already stopped eating meat a while ago. Not that hard with all mock meat out there and science coming up with more cool stuff for every day that passes. Plus tasty plant based stuff overall.

But you should go all the way and become vegan instead though.
Is this reverse psychology?
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Taser on April 14, 2017, 03:12:19 am
Just get local meat or get your own animals and butcher them. No worries about needless suffering or overt abuse.

No

You´re better off treating meat as a luxury good (what it used to be and still should be) and try eating less but enjoy it more, also check quality and heritage before you buy

First try to eat meat less regulary on a long term and see how you like it

I couldn´t completely live without meat, we´re omnivores for a reason and vegetarians always look so withered, as if they´re lacking something vital. Our society is just overdoing it with the meat consumption and that´s an issue

This is true as well. I definitely eat meat too much.
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Vibe on April 14, 2017, 04:25:18 am
I couldn´t completely live without meat, we´re omnivores for a reason and vegetarians always look so withered, as if they´re lacking something vital.

with a proper diet you don't lack anything even as a vegan, except B12 vitamin
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on April 14, 2017, 08:53:23 am
You´re better off treating meat as a luxury good (what it used to be and still should be) and try eating less but enjoy it more, also check quality and heritage before you buy

This middle road between meat/no meat is what I go for. If you feel so strongly that you want to cut out meat entirely, that's all up to you. Vegetarians who eat no animal flesh makes sense, if that's your thing go for it. I understand the mindset of hardcore vegans as well, but disagree with the ideology. You ARE part of the food web. Domestic animals can be raised with a high standard of living and concern for their health. I don't see any moral issue with eggs/milk/honey from farms that treat their animals with care and respect. In exchange for a peaceful life with no want for food or shelter, the livestock produce more than they need, and humans can skim this excess.

This is my personal moral opinion, but I see nothing wrong with eating meat occasionally. I don't say prayers at the table, but whenever I prepare meat I contemplate the loss of life required for me to eat it. Having this mindset made it easier for me to cut down on how much meat I eat.

As an aside, you can make some amazing and filling meals with no meat and even no animal products. Things life tofu hotdogs/cheese, chickpea chicken, and TVP burger crumbles feel like a cheap loophole. They taste inferior to actual meat and make vegetarian/vegan options feel like a shitty compromise. I'd much rather eat a well-made eggplant dish or something with beans. Hell, if you can include eggs/milk/butter then you can still make like 90% of your regular omnivore diet.

The worst part of going vegan is baking. Other methods of cooking (pan frying, braising, roasting, boiling, etc. work essentially the same. Baking is a precise art where you need control over acidity, salt content, water content, and fat content. I have had plenty of delicious vegan baked goods, but making them is like organic chemistry compared to high school chemistry. You are trying to copy the original product but throwing away most of the original ingredients. You can make plenty of "kind of tastes like X" recipes but the texture and flavor will be off. Making a vegan replica true to the original baked item takes a lot of trial and error.

Butter and eggs, man. Life without them is like life without garlic and onions. Devout Sikhs actually do cut out onions and garlic, since traditionally they are only used to season meat. Life without meat, I could probably do if my life depended on it. Life without onions and garlic? I would sooner die.
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Macropus on April 14, 2017, 11:20:10 am
I don't get the animal abuse part, but yeah, not eating meat could be good for your health. Also, people who think vegans are low on energy should check out the Diaz brothers (the fighters).

Anyway, wtf am I talking about, I just wanna say hello to everyone, I love and miss you all, and even Xant's trolling seems funny for once!
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: LordBerenger on April 14, 2017, 11:57:51 am
except B12 vitamin

Which can be easily replaced with supplements
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: LordBerenger on April 14, 2017, 11:58:31 am
Is this reverse psychology?

Yes
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Grytviken on April 14, 2017, 12:12:18 pm
Human brain development and evolution is most likely linked to eating cooked meat
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: the real god emperor on April 14, 2017, 01:17:13 pm
This is officially the only thread downvoted by Porthos
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Porthos on April 14, 2017, 01:18:03 pm
This is officially the only thread downvoted by Porthos
:oops:

I don't get the animal abuse part
As well as I don't get the following line:
And human is not superior to other beings in the world nor more valuable.
Never understood people who value the humans and other animals the same. Are you fucking retarded? I'd like to see you being raised by animals just like those feral childs who lose their humanity and become the worthless meatbags barking and running on all fours. Okay, if you value the humans and animals the same, you can imagine yourself living perfectly in a world where humans are replaced by animals, right? Wouldn't you love to spend all your days living in a zoo maybe, w/o even understanding a single thing that comes from your beloved creatures' mouths. Oh wait, in the end of the day you'd probably got killed by some lion or smashed by some elephant running scared, what a shame... If you value the cow or the pig the same as the human, you're the fucking imbecile to me.

Saying this I don't mean that I hate animals. For example, I have 3 cats living with me, all brought into my home from the streets. But I have a very little sorrow to those animals rasied in meat factories, because getting killed one day is the only reason they've been born. Anyway, I love animals, but surely I don't love them as much as humans.

Sorry, but the stuff like this just gets my ass exploded :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

p.s. And the ones who value the animals even more than humans are the top trash bags to me. Crying over a photo of some dead puppy or a kitten and giving a zero fucks about thousands of people who die every day is fucking embarrassing. Fuck you litteraly, or I mean go get fucked by the animal you like, some horse or a dog probably. Fucking zoophiles :?
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Porthos on April 14, 2017, 01:18:34 pm
got exploded too much, double posted accidentally :oops:
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: the real god emperor on April 14, 2017, 01:26:56 pm
Nobody said zoos are good, too.Nor said I dislike humans. I know the only reason they are born is to be eaten, the whole point is how to act on changing that.  Also give me a reason why a human is more valuable than x animal. What is the point of your text besides firing hatred bolts all over?
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Porthos on April 14, 2017, 01:45:00 pm
Give me a reason why a human is more valuable than x animal. What is the point of your text besides firing hatred bolts all over?
I'm eating a good fried chicken leg right now, so I don't have much time or will to explain all this stuff (which to me seems so obvious to explain normally). Besides, if you by yourself can't get the difference between humans and x animals (ability to speak, to write, to communicate, all the culture, the science, the medicine, all the knowledge and all the environment around you, the fucking internet you're sitting where invented by not some x animal, u know)... As I said, if you value the x animal the same as the human, you're the fucking imbecile to me. And I don't see there's much point in speaking to imbeciles.
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Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Porthos on April 14, 2017, 03:29:42 pm
i've re-read the thing i wrote here, and i'd like to clarify that i don't have anything against vegans (kudos to you, Kratos, for the good intentions coming from your mind) or environmentalists, and basically i love animals too, the only thing which caused the rant was the line equating the humans and the other animals. for some strange reason it got me:
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sorry for the rude words have been spoken :oops:
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Porthos on April 14, 2017, 04:33:01 pm
also, since i also "-'d" this:
100% agree on abusing animals stuff. Hunting your food with bare hands while being butt naked is the only proper and manly way of obtaining meat. Buying meat at your local supermarket is equal to being a flimsy farmer who humbly trades his shitty potatoes for big boy meat. The meat that we buy isn't even "true" meat anyway - most of it is trash-tier bred animals. Only naturally occuring animals that live in the wilderness classify as "true" meat. Bred animals are practically vegetables, pork being the lowest of the low (jews have known that for a long time). I don't despise the bred animals or anything - as a bottom tier white trash, I somewhat identify with them even. We were both bred by our "masters" (humans for animals, rich fucks for humans) to slave our lives away, and then die.
i think that having bred animals is much more "humane" than hunting the animals living in the nature for the same purpose (to eat their meat). that's why i feel sorry for the animals getting killed while hunting and feel *almost* none for the animals raised at the factory farms. you know, all these bred animals were domisticated thousands of years ago (for example, domestic pigs domesticated from wild boars, and so on), and came through a massive selection process to be what they are being now (the food). that's literally the purpouse of these animals - to be the food. while the wild animals are getting killed by us mostly for fun. i mean all these things like safari and stuff. the hunting has become just another one entertaining hobby for the people living in rich countries these days. there is a very little ammount of people who actually need to hunt animals on a daily basis to get the food simply to survive (i talk about eskimos, aborigines or other people live in nature for their own reasons). and if you have option to go and buy some meat at your local supermarket but you chose to go and hunt some wild animal to get the same, you're a fucking imbecile a person with a very strange logic to me as well.

or maybe that's just me didn't yet get the point of the "true meat" meme speeches, "debating" with a seriousness a thing that was originally intented by you to be fun :lol:
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Bittersteel on April 14, 2017, 04:42:38 pm
Exchange 'humans' with 'white people' and 'animals' with 'colored people'. You're a dirty little zoophobe, Porthos. Shame on you.
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Gurgumul on April 14, 2017, 05:56:44 pm
also, since i also "-'d" this:i think that having bred animals is much more "humane" than hunting the animals living in the nature for the same purpose (to eat their meat). that's why i feel sorry for the animals getting killed while hunting and feel *almost* none for the animals raised at the factory farms. you know, all these bred animals were domisticated thousands of years ago (for example, domestic pigs domesticated from wild boars, and so on), and came through a massive selection process to be what they are being now (the food). that's literally the purpouse of these animals - to be the food. while the wild animals are getting killed by us mostly for fun. i mean all these things like safari and stuff. the hunting has become just another one entertaining hobby for the people living in rich countries these days. there is a very little ammount of people who actually need to hunt animals on a daily basis to get the food simply to survive (i talk about eskimos, aborigines or other people live in nature for their own reasons). and if you have option to go and buy some meat at your local supermarket but you chose to go and hunt some wild animal to get the same, you're a fucking imbecile a person with a very strange logic to me as well.

or maybe that's just me didn't yet get the point of the "true meat" meme speeches, "debating" with a seriousness a thing that was originally intented by you to be fun :lol:

Yes, hunting animals for fun is even worse than breeding them. What I meant to say is that breeding animals into factories, where they spend their lives motionless in a cage with fodder on one side and shit on the other, should never happen. The natural habitat of domesticated animals (pigs, cows, chickens and so on) is the farm, not the factory. Of course, such meat is more expensive, but meat is kind of supposed to be a luxury, not every day food. Growing animals on a farm is not really a better solution, but a less bad one - it's the lesser evil compared to not breeding animals at all and only occasionally hunting them. You could say that the way farm animals are killed is more humane than the way wild animals are hunted. But the thing is, if the farm animals were never born, they wouldn't have to be killed in the first place. With modern technology, it's possible to live healthily as a vegan - but again - that's expensive af. If you have to eat meat, then it's also possible to hunt wild animals quickly and almost painlessly.

Anyway, the only final solution to everything is to nuke this gay Earth.

Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Xant on April 14, 2017, 07:19:39 pm
A study done found that vegans using creatine increased their IQ by ~12 points. Their diet lacks more than just B-12.
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Gurgumul on April 14, 2017, 08:23:00 pm
A study done found that vegans using creatine increased their IQ by ~12 points. Their diet lacks more than just B-12.

Just as a side note, IQ only measures how well you do with certain specific puzzles. Being intelligent in general usually means that you will also do well with these puzzles. But it's completely possible to be dumb, but good at these puzzles. The reason IQ is used so often is because the test are quick, cheap, and easy to conduct. A test which measures actual intelligence would have to take hours, as it would have to measure various areas of intelligence , not just the very narrow puzzles.


If an animal can pass the mirror test, you probably shouldn't eat it.  Otherwise fair game, brah

There is self-awareness and there is consciousness. A robot can be programmed to be self aware, but it still won't be conscious (won't have a soul if you prefer that term). Whether animals are conscious or not is kind of a controversial topic, but personally, I believe that they do, even if they're not self aware.
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Asheram on April 14, 2017, 09:03:45 pm
If an animal can pass the mirror test, you probably shouldn't eat it.  Otherwise fair game, brah
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Xant on April 15, 2017, 12:00:02 am
Just as a side note, IQ only measures how well you do with certain specific puzzles. Being intelligent in general usually means that you will also do well with these puzzles. But it's completely possible to be dumb, but good at these puzzles. The reason IQ is used so often is because the test are quick, cheap, and easy to conduct. A test which measures actual intelligence would have to take hours, as it would have to measure various areas of intelligence , not just the very narrow puzzles.

IQ tests have a very high correlation with g.
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Xant on April 15, 2017, 12:32:57 am


There is self-awareness and there is consciousness. A robot can be programmed to be self aware, but it still won't be conscious (won't have a soul if you prefer that term).
Based on what? Those two are literally synonyms.

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Consciousness is the state or quality of awareness, or, of being aware of an external object or something within oneself.
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Asheram on April 15, 2017, 12:53:47 am
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Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Leshma on April 15, 2017, 01:09:39 am
Been there, done that. Don't do it.

Edit: About ethics of eating abused animal meat. Let's put it this way. When humans die after a long suffering and torture, do animals care?

Responsibility? How about we first become responsible to ourselves before we try to pretend we're responsible towards other species and nature in general.

People who pretend to care about such things are huge hypocrites and incredibly shallow and superficial deep inside. If they weren't, they would give it a long thought and came to similar conclusion. But thinking takes too much effort.

Edit: Every day I notice numerous examples of human deaths that are completely forgotten. We couldn't prevent them? Actually in many cases we could. But don't care. Until that job is done it is not right to care about well being of other species. Period.

Your pet is suffering? Care if you must. Some random chicken is living horrible life before being slaughtered? Well tough luck chick, some African kid died horrible death at the same time. Someone gets the shorter stick and you got to be that one. And if Hindu belief is correct, we all got to be in your shoes many times in the past.
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Asheram on April 15, 2017, 01:20:56 am
Gator is just chilling catching some rays not bothering anyone, horse comes up and curb stomps him and almost gets his foot bit and the people are worrying about the horse lol.  :P
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Leshma on April 15, 2017, 01:56:24 am
Is horse protecting others or just attacking the gator for the lulz? How can a horse know that gator is dangerous, how often they come into contact?

To me it looks like horse is trying to force gator to leave, kicking him out. What is the reason behind that or does he even have a reason. Hard to tell.

Edit: We're so alike animals. Gator is dangerous, capable of murdering weaker animals. He may mind his own business but animals are wary of him. Just like people when they see someone who looks stronger, he may be the most peaceful person on the planet but people will gossip shit because they are afraid he might beat them senseless.
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Xant on April 15, 2017, 03:29:25 am
The horse is protecting a foal. Horses are pretty cool. You'd make a good horse, Leshma. I would mount you.
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Xant on April 15, 2017, 09:16:00 am
No homo.
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: njames89 on April 15, 2017, 07:46:31 pm
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Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Gurgumul on April 15, 2017, 09:26:27 pm
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I'm convinced
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: the real god emperor on April 16, 2017, 02:30:20 am
Don't t pork here anyway

IM INVINCIBLE
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on April 16, 2017, 08:07:35 am
If an animal can pass the mirror test, you probably shouldn't eat it.  Otherwise fair game, brah

Even the lowest of animals with no concept of self still suffer in death, and arguably that suffering is the same that we feel as humans in pain and death. If you can feel empathy for a fellow human in pain, it's not a huge jump to feel bad for other animals in the same situation.

My major beef with vegetarians/vegans on a moral level is that plants and fungi are alive too. They do not have a central nervous system to let them feel pain as animals do, but a plant is still alive - and it must die so you can live.

This is ignoring the ecological aspect though. If part of your morals include not being wasteful of earth's resources, then plants win 100% of the time. Raising animals for slaughter takes tons of feed and water. Then you have the loss of energy from animals being alive and burning calories their whole life. Going up the food chain, you lose more and more of those calories so that a single animal may live. The closer you are to the bottom of the food chain, the less wasteful you are in your eating habits.
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Asheram on April 16, 2017, 08:57:44 am
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Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Xant on April 16, 2017, 11:28:33 am
Life itself is about cannibalizing matter around it to grow and reproduce.
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Asheram on April 17, 2017, 07:31:56 pm
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Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on April 20, 2017, 04:29:29 am
Eat or be eaten

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Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on April 22, 2017, 12:22:27 am
But in modern world, food industry is so huge that animals are abused a fuck lot.
So try being vegan. Much like you would try getting fit, if you fall off the wagon you get back on it asap, whenever you fall off.

This is not how nature works dude.
Maybe don't put so much weight into that. "Nature" gave us some wildcards like radiation, cancer, death etc.

And human is not superior to other beings in the world nor more valuable.
I would disagree with that on most measures of value. Would have to know what you mean superior in, and who or what we are valuable to compared to other lifeforms.

I personally love meat and animal products, however I have those things lingering in my mind all the time.
I split this problem into two different fronts, nutrition and satisfaction.
Nutrition I can sum up as need to get enough B12, protein, and iron. Not that hard though.
Satisfaction examples are: bacon = salty, chewy, fatty, savoury. Slight sweetness too. It's a design problem. How can you achieve this experience? Some foods that meet that need for me are these seasoned soy bean curd strips I can get cheaply from a Chinese supermarket that's not that far from me. There's a company called Fry Family Food Co. which do loads of products that hit the meat spot for me. And there are plenty of experiments documented on the interwebz for you to try out.l

I think to myself, if more people had the will to stop this whole thing wouldn't be that bad.
You have to make it easy for yourself, i.e. prep your food to take with you to work etc, find recipes that replace the elements of your goto meat/dairy stuff.

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Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Zergmar on April 22, 2017, 06:32:39 pm
Go pescatarian, it's easy mode
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on April 23, 2017, 10:14:13 am
Go pescatarian, it's easy mode

It's spelled Presbyterian
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Beauchamp on April 24, 2017, 10:45:54 am
i wanted to go vegetarian after i spent 1 month in nepal eating veg food only, but then on my way home from the airport i went through my local farmers market and the first thing i bought were two blood sausages and a deer steak.

problem with meat from my point of view is it takes much more land to grow than veg food - especially beef. 1 cow can feed like dozen times more people if you'd rather grow veg food on its pastures. also meat is pretty hard to digest, if you have it often it really isn't good for your digestion and causes tons of additional health problems. the last and maybe biggest problem is that stuff like pikeperch or propper steak just taste so well i couldn't go without it.

but i eat like at least 2x less meat than i used to and i buy good one ....... and i feel better :)

Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: njames89 on April 24, 2017, 03:09:48 pm
But gents think about that peameal bacon with corn breading. How could you go without the peameal...

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Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on April 25, 2017, 09:09:10 am
But gents think about that peameal bacon with corn breading. How could you go without the peameal...

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i want to make hash but with that instead of corned beef
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: njames89 on April 25, 2017, 01:18:35 pm
i want to make hash but with that instead of corned beef

mmmm. Shit I went and made myself hungry. DAMN THIS THREAD
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Xant on April 25, 2017, 02:42:03 pm
I'm thinking of becoming a Leshma. Opinions, advice?
Title: Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
Post by: Teeth on April 25, 2017, 05:07:50 pm
I'm thinking of becoming a Leshma. Opinions, advice?
Lots of deficiencies there.