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Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2017, 12:32:57 am »
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There is self-awareness and there is consciousness. A robot can be programmed to be self aware, but it still won't be conscious (won't have a soul if you prefer that term).
Based on what? Those two are literally synonyms.

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Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2017, 12:53:47 am »
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Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2017, 01:09:39 am »
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Been there, done that. Don't do it.

Edit: About ethics of eating abused animal meat. Let's put it this way. When humans die after a long suffering and torture, do animals care?

Responsibility? How about we first become responsible to ourselves before we try to pretend we're responsible towards other species and nature in general.

People who pretend to care about such things are huge hypocrites and incredibly shallow and superficial deep inside. If they weren't, they would give it a long thought and came to similar conclusion. But thinking takes too much effort.

Edit: Every day I notice numerous examples of human deaths that are completely forgotten. We couldn't prevent them? Actually in many cases we could. But don't care. Until that job is done it is not right to care about well being of other species. Period.

Your pet is suffering? Care if you must. Some random chicken is living horrible life before being slaughtered? Well tough luck chick, some African kid died horrible death at the same time. Someone gets the shorter stick and you got to be that one. And if Hindu belief is correct, we all got to be in your shoes many times in the past.
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Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2017, 01:20:56 am »
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Gator is just chilling catching some rays not bothering anyone, horse comes up and curb stomps him and almost gets his foot bit and the people are worrying about the horse lol.  :P
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Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2017, 01:56:24 am »
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Is horse protecting others or just attacking the gator for the lulz? How can a horse know that gator is dangerous, how often they come into contact?

To me it looks like horse is trying to force gator to leave, kicking him out. What is the reason behind that or does he even have a reason. Hard to tell.

Edit: We're so alike animals. Gator is dangerous, capable of murdering weaker animals. He may mind his own business but animals are wary of him. Just like people when they see someone who looks stronger, he may be the most peaceful person on the planet but people will gossip shit because they are afraid he might beat them senseless.

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Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2017, 03:29:25 am »
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The horse is protecting a foal. Horses are pretty cool. You'd make a good horse, Leshma. I would mount you.
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Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2017, 09:16:00 am »
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Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2017, 07:46:31 pm »
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Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2017, 09:26:27 pm »
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Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
« Reply #39 on: April 16, 2017, 02:30:20 am »
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Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
« Reply #40 on: April 16, 2017, 08:07:35 am »
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If an animal can pass the mirror test, you probably shouldn't eat it.  Otherwise fair game, brah

Even the lowest of animals with no concept of self still suffer in death, and arguably that suffering is the same that we feel as humans in pain and death. If you can feel empathy for a fellow human in pain, it's not a huge jump to feel bad for other animals in the same situation.

My major beef with vegetarians/vegans on a moral level is that plants and fungi are alive too. They do not have a central nervous system to let them feel pain as animals do, but a plant is still alive - and it must die so you can live.

This is ignoring the ecological aspect though. If part of your morals include not being wasteful of earth's resources, then plants win 100% of the time. Raising animals for slaughter takes tons of feed and water. Then you have the loss of energy from animals being alive and burning calories their whole life. Going up the food chain, you lose more and more of those calories so that a single animal may live. The closer you are to the bottom of the food chain, the less wasteful you are in your eating habits.
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Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2017, 08:57:44 am »
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Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
« Reply #42 on: April 16, 2017, 11:28:33 am »
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Life itself is about cannibalizing matter around it to grow and reproduce.
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Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
« Reply #43 on: April 17, 2017, 07:31:56 pm »
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Re: Thinking of becoming a vegetarian
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