I only have problems if i block overhead vs both weapons stunning me nearly everytime making it very difficult to block the next swing.
Without that stun those weapons would be balanced.
Far from it. They're decent, no more, no less.
Far from it. They're decent, no more, no less.
I believe he was taking the opportunity to repay the usual NA bashing in these types of threads. No more, no less.
Both weapons are light (2 and 2.8 weight) so they can only stun very light weapons such as one handed swords.
Longer than all! Faster than all! Shitty spam weapons.
lol
Every polearm has a -22 length because of the grip.
l2b
Shielders and their mobbing ability are more OP imo. Thank god most of them are goddamn noobs.
L. Bardiche 140/89
Poleaxe 141/89
G.L.Axe 125/90
G.LBardiche 155/87
G.Poleaxe 131/90
E.Poleaxe 132/92
Glaive 160/90
L.H.Blade 153/92
Longer than all! Faster than all! Shitty spam weapons.
No, 90 and 90 in pole and 2h is the same atack frequency but the speed of the animation in polearms is faster. I think there is a test somewhere in the forum that comfirms this
Why is the ability for people to use teamwork to surround and kill an opponent overpowered in any way?
From my experience, new players do worse on shields because they spend too much time blocking or mess up on the timing of swings and get hit...
From my experience, new players do worse on shields because they spend too much time blocking or mess up on the timing of swings and get hit...
I dunno. Experiences differ.
With a new player, anyclass can go well. Without skill, you can use the raw power of 2Hers and PO to shank unwary opponents, use a shield to survive longer, use a crossbow to intimidate and shotgun, cav to pick ninja easier, and archery to spam arrows and hope for the best. Without skill...
Its not, but its skilless.
Without shields i could easily rambo the noobs because they won't have the crazy autoblock that is a shield
As a point of comparison, what would you consider sufficiently skillful?
This seems like such an odd thing to say. I mean without armor i could easily rambo 2hers because they wouldn't have godlike resistances. Correct me if i'm wrong, but you're upset that you can't take on multiple people single handedly? I mean admittedly you feel you should be able to kill them because they are "noobs" in your opinion, but don't you feel it's a positive for this game that what you consider a tactic for new players is an effective means to make "low skilled" players actually effective instead of dead weight? Why wouldn't a shield automatically block attacks coming in from a front if melee block magically blocks every section of the front of your body, often with just a sword and a twist of the wrist?
Its about the player not the weapon.
Noobs blame their skillessness on the mechanics of the game. When someone claims that they were "spammed" i assume they were just outfootworked/scared.
I don't assume i can kill an entire squad of people, i just try to sometimes when i'm bored. It works fairly well vs people completely new to the game (noobs) but more so without shielders.
I am not a noob i am playing native for 4 years and crpg for 1 years. These weapons are clearly OP.
I am not a noob i am playing native for 4 years and crpg for 1 years. These weapons are clearly OP.If you would care to elaborate how exactly they are OP that would help. If it is complaint about pole stun, which developers never intended for weapons like these, but is hardcoded to all pole arms then we can't help you.
I am a polearmer since generation 1. So stop playing with me. I love it's stun i love it's useless without crowd on foot. I love lancing.I don't use either of the weapons, I do use the glaive rarely on one character, though.
Stats of weapons never lies. This 2 is so long but so fast. Stop using the advantage and say it like a man that they are OP. :mad:
L. Bardiche 140/89
Poleaxe 141/89
G.L.Axe 125/90
G.LBardiche 155/87
G.Poleaxe 131/90
E.Poleaxe 132/92
Glaive 160/90
L.H.Blade 153/92
As you can see i am not comparing them to 2h. Just look at their length and speed and tell me why? They giving less damage? No they giving enough damage.You aren't telling the whole story then.
Spam spam spam boom! Too fastThey are probably fast since they consist mainly of a stick with a fairly light blade on the end.
alright so heres my 2 cents after trolling a bit:
The LHB and Glaive in my experience are jack of all trade weapons. They can duel, work in a group, keep people at a distance, etc but they can't do any of these very well. If you want to duel, pick up a warspear, working as a group tends to be pike/high damage polearms, and there are longer weapons that can keep people at a distance.
They can't deal with shielders, they can't dehorse as well as other polearms, and they're cut damage so it'll take 4 hits or so to take out an armored tin can.
Length and speedwise, they are balanced based on their damage, which is cut and average.
LHB and Glaive ought to be secondary weapons for cav or range or a primary for an agile char. No one would pick the LHB and Glaive as their primary unless they like it specifically since there are plenty of other better polearms to use (pikes english bill, awlpike, GLA, GLB, German poleaxe, bec, etc etc).
In terms of spam, i've NEVER been spammed by a LHB/Glaive user unless they are an agil backpeddler. In that case i just say fuck it and pick on someone who wants to fight.
Agility polearm users are the new FOTM class because of the reasons you listed.
Short spear is the best melee weapon in the game because of what you just said.
Glaive and LHB are similar style weapons with speed, length, damage, and stun.
No other weapon really compares since the only other one was the Bec, which got changed (wouldn't really call it a nerf) and for these reasons you listed here is why polearms needs to be looked at now by the devs.
IMHO polearm stun is meant to be a chance for a team mate to get a hit in, not for the polearm user to get a free hit in, that's what knockdown weapons are for.
yeah i hate Agil backpeddlers, but they're pretty garbage in a group because they're so squishy. I just learn to avoid them in battle or just stand my ground in a duel.
if people feel like nerfing the LHB and Glaive, thats fine, i'm not affected. But i'm saying that its not needed, since theres nothing "OP" about them.
Bec on the other hand needs a serious speed nerf.
There is alot op about them
as far as i know, this feeling is isolated in EU. In NA i rarely see LHB/Glaive spammers and all the Agi backpeddlers use the high end polearms like the poleaxes or GLB/GLA, i use a GLA with a 27/12 build and theres nothing OP about polearms.
I'd imagine that strength builds don't exist in EU?
there are basically no lhb 'spammers' in EU, but we ahve lots of glaive 'spammers', most of them from Risen.
And could i get more proff, that this is not just random whine, i played this for long. And most of the polearms is from my own clan ?
yes, the majority of EU glaive players are from risen. Atleast many are, and a much bigger percentage of the risen than the general EU community uses glaive
And about the warspear arguement:
1 of 4 directions deals damage, the rest is a joke.
Might be, might not be.
Funny thing, I dont understand why GTX is so whiny about 2H swords.
Dude, judging your abilities, you could easily be as good as you have been before (with 2h).
I just dont get it :-) (even more bcoz ur game never was based on spastic lolstab action only)
2h still pwn hard and they will always be the weapon of a knight while many (not all) polearms look like commoners 0815 gear.
And about the warspear arguement:
1 of 4 directions deals damage, the rest is a joke.
Pole arm animations do not hit faster than 2h. Pole arm animations take a longer time to come out of their chamber animation, but the swing itself takes less time and is less fluid. But the pole arm hits at the same time as 2h at middle~end of animation. 2h hits faster at the beginning of the animation since the swing part of the animation begins earlier.
Pole stun is stupid, but it was ONLY intended for spears and not large axes/glaive and etc. Can't be changed until WSE implementation. However, it is balanced right now with poles being slower and take a bit longer to recover when they block.
All stabs are stunned for way too long. 2h is not stunned as long as polearms, also the weapon speeds are typically faster.
Swings are not stunned as long as thrusts for all weapons, which doesn't make any sense since thrusts are underpowered compared to swings.
i basically just like cRPG balance right now
imo they are balanced right now.
Not trying to be biased here as I'm a LHB user myself (with cav build), but polearms are SO much easier to block than 2h. I had no problem blocking a LHB yesterday on my lowbie 90wpf 2h alt.
I agree that polestun is too much tho.