Glaive and Long halfted blade are OP

[Fluffy_Muffin]

I dont understand what is the difference between getting hit by a 2h and a polearm cutter, both hit you with high force so why does only the polearm have that redicules stagger.

But if im not mistaken the stagger is hardcoded or something pfff

[Diomedes]

cRPG developed around balance more than realism.  Though it's a perk in polearms' favour that they can stun their animations are almost always worse than the analogous 2h animations.  Balance is tricky

[Christo]

Longer than all! Faster than all! Shitty spam weapons.

lol

Every polearm has a -22 length because of the grip.

[Lech]

lol

Every polearm has a -22 length because of the grip.

Glaive 138/90
L.H.Blade 131/92

Danish 124/92

[Banok]

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weapon length: 153
weight: 2
difficulty: 15
speed rating: 92
weapon length: 153
thrust damage: 19 pierce
swing damage: 37 cut
slots: 2

weapon length: 124
weight: 2.5
difficulty: 15
speed rating: 92
weapon length: 124
thrust damage: 24 pierce
swing damage: 40 cut
slots: 2

REALLY? biased 2h swordsman much?

[Lech]

Nah, 1h with shield user.

[Ylca]

l2b

Shielders and their mobbing ability are more OP imo. Thank god most of them are goddamn noobs.

Why is the ability for people to use teamwork to surround and kill an opponent overpowered in any way?

[Diavolo]

L. Bardiche 140/89
Poleaxe 141/89
G.L.Axe 125/90
G.LBardiche 155/87
G.Poleaxe 131/90
E.Poleaxe 132/92

Glaive 160/90
L.H.Blade 153/92

Longer than all! Faster than all! Shitty spam weapons.

here you are forgetting the major difference between polearms and 2handers. Polearms get -22 to length and reduced speed due to the animation. Dont know exactly how much reduced speed, but 90 speed on a 2h sure is a lot faster than 90 speed on a polearm.

[Fluffy_Muffin]

No, 90 and 90 in pole and 2h is the same atack frequency but the speed of the animation in polearms is faster. I think there is a test somewhere in the forum that comfirms this

[Seawied]

No, 90 and 90 in pole and 2h is the same atack frequency but the speed of the animation in polearms is faster. I think there is a test somewhere in the forum that comfirms this

not the case.

[Thucydides]

Why is the ability for people to use teamwork to surround and kill an opponent overpowered in any way?

Its not, but its skilless.

Getting mobbed by noobs who can't block so they use a shield is far worse than weapon imbalance. Without shields i could easily rambo the noobs because they won't have the crazy autoblock that is a shield, and thus they can't staggerstun me with multiple weapon hits. I'd much rather face an army of LHB and Glaive spammers than an army of autoblock shield my old friends.

IF we are arguing at Glaive and LHB is overpowered because noobs do better with them compared to other weapons, i'd direct them to Shielders and the easiness of swarm tactics, noobs always do better with shields compared to other layouts.

IF we are arguing that good players are owning too much with these weapons, then you're just whining about player skills.

IF we are arguing about the "overuse" of these weapons, why aren't there a lot of Glaivers and LHBers topping the scoreboards? I love fighting noob spammers since all i need to do is block and rape.

[Tears of Destiny]

From my experience, new players do worse on shields because they spend too much time blocking or mess up on the timing of swings and get hit...

I dunno. Experiences differ.

With a new player, anyclass can go well. Without skill, you can use the raw power of 2Hers and PO to shank unwary opponents, use a shield to survive longer, use a crossbow to intimidate and shotgun, cav to pick ninja easier, and archery to spam arrows and hope for the best. Without skill...

[Seawied]

From my experience, new players do worse on shields because they spend too much time blocking or mess up on the timing of swings and get hit...

This is very true. Often the second problem is that they go for a ranged/shielder hybrid, which cuts into their wpf. How many times a week do you see a brand new player ask "how much is needed in 1h proficiency? 132?"

Glaive and hafted blades aren't the problem. Player inexperience is.

[Thucydides]

From my experience, new players do worse on shields because they spend too much time blocking or mess up on the timing of swings and get hit...

I dunno. Experiences differ.

With a new player, anyclass can go well. Without skill, you can use the raw power of 2Hers and PO to shank unwary opponents, use a shield to survive longer, use a crossbow to intimidate and shotgun, cav to pick ninja easier, and archery to spam arrows and hope for the best. Without skill...

The only one i've seen noobs do well in is a really long weapon like flamberg or GLB. They would just backpeddle and spam, it works on the noobs and the bored.

But yes, i've seen noobs do a shield build, stick with other noob shielders, and just hold RMB and then swarm. Its hilarious as hell when i manage to kill them all but most of the time i break a few shields, kill a noob or two, then get spamstunned..

In terms of skilless weaponry though, to say that the LHB or Glaive is anywhere near the level of the GLB/Flam/Shield build is quite a noob thing to say.

[Casimir]

Lets replace all polearms with the padded sticks from gladiator, that 2h can be the shit again.

Watch Atze fight Ragni and tell me which is more OP.

Its about the player not the weapon.