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Title: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Golem on May 26, 2016, 10:46:07 pm
GPU: GTX 960
RAM: 8GB DDR5(? I think)
CPU: i5-4590 3.3GHz (quadcore)

What's limiting my performace the most? It's the i5, isn't it?
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Gurgumul on May 26, 2016, 11:08:27 pm
I have the same GPU, but 12GB RAM and i7-4790 3.6GHz. So far every game I've played runs on max (but I don't play that many new AAA games), except GTA V which I had to slightly tune down. 8GB of RAM should be sufficient for most games, so yes, it's probably the i5.
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Golem on May 26, 2016, 11:20:29 pm
I have the same GPU, but 12GB RAM and i7-4790 3.6GHz. So far every game I've played runs on max (but I don't play that many new AAA games), except GTA V which I had to slightly tune down. 8GB of RAM should be sufficient for most games, so yes, it's probably the i5.

Would you recommend a better Intel proccessor or a different brand?
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on May 26, 2016, 11:23:16 pm
The question is why you want to upgrade? If had the money lying around and already bought all the stuff that would come before pc i'd be looking into some badass monitor with 2 or maybe even 4k resolution, 100hz, sync-tech and a fitting gpu setup. Other than that I don't know what for I would upgrade your already decent system. Games don't need end high-end cpu as far as I know.
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Golem on May 26, 2016, 11:26:19 pm
The question is why you want to upgrade? If had the money lying around and already bought all the stuff that would come before pc i'd be looking into some badass monitor with 2 or maybe even 4k resolution, 100hz, sync-tech and a fitting gpu setup. Other than that I don't know what for I would upgrade your already decent system. Games don't need end high-end cpu as far as I know.

Squad does. I don't want to wait 2 years before they optimse it to get decent frames. Since the bigger map in the second alpha test, OKAM is also shaping up to be an unoptimised mess. So that's why.
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Butan on May 27, 2016, 12:23:31 am
From the info you gave, everything is quite balanced, and you're set for 3-4 years easy.
Maybe try to find a corresponding i7 and increase your RAM to 12 or 16 GB?
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Taser on May 27, 2016, 12:48:49 am
Dont think you need to. If you want to up the processor, go for it. Beyond that there's no need.

Get a processor you can overclock if you're going to get another one though. So you can squeeze a little more out of it before getting another.

I have about the same setup but I have a gtx 660. So I gotta upgrade that soon.
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Golem on May 27, 2016, 12:51:25 am
Alright, I was also thinking about getting an SSD, is it worth it?
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Kafein on May 27, 2016, 12:54:37 am
Ok so i7: no, don't. The premium is significant for very little added performance in games. Your 4590 will still do for a few years most likely. And your memory is DDR3 by the way. GDDR5 is what is in your graphics card. More memory is certainly not the most pressing matter either.

The best upgrade for general purpose gaming is likely to be a better GPU such as the soon to be released GTX 1060 or AMD equivalent. Your setup is quite balanced as is so unless you intend to play at resolutions higher than 1080p, a CPU+mobo upgrade could also be worthwhile. Consider the midrange Skylake CPUs, i5-6500, i5-6600 and i5-6600K. I'm not sure AMD has very good products in that range right now.

Alright, I was also thinking about getting an SSD, is it worth it?

Yes. This is pretty much a no-brainer, forget about everything else. The 250Gb samsung 850PRO goes for less than 100$ usually.
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: pogosan on May 27, 2016, 12:56:59 am
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Golem on May 27, 2016, 01:11:39 am
The best upgrade for general purpose gaming is likely to be a better GPU such as the soon to be released GTX 1060 or AMD equivalent. Your setup is quite balanced as is so unless you intend to play at resolutions higher than 1080p, a CPU+mobo upgrade could also be worthwhile. Consider the midrange Skylake CPUs, i5-6500, i5-6600 and i5-6600K

How do I check what socket I have? It matters, right?
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on May 27, 2016, 01:23:17 am
If you have a 4590 you're on an LGA1150 socket. The 6500 chips use the LGA1151 socket (they're called Skylake if it helps) you'll need a replacement motherboard and RAM to move to this because Skylake supports DDR4 RAM as well.

If you want to keep it mostly the same upgrading to a relatively fast SSD to install games into is recommended (250GB aren't too pricey) or bump you're processor to an i7 4790K or something to that extent.

As for a GPU your 960 will do fine until the 1060 turns up which will probably be in 6 months or so since it was about that length of time after the 980 was released that the 960 turned up.

SSD will be the biggest improvement without too hefty a cost. A Samsung EVO 850 250GB sits at about £70 on Amazon at the moment, a 4790k on the other hand is still like £290 so that's pretty expensive.

I'd get the SSD first and see the improvement.
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Golem on May 27, 2016, 01:23:27 am
Yes. This is pretty much a no-brainer, forget about everything else. The 250Gb samsung 850PRO goes for less than 100$ usually.

So you think, it'd make a big difference in performance with the nvidia setting, that takes load off the CPU by saving to the disk, on?

EDIT: I will get the EVO since it's way cheaper, hope I don't regret it.
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Kadeth on May 27, 2016, 06:57:31 am
i'd be looking into some badass monitor with 2 or maybe even 4k resolution, 100hz, sync-tech and a fitting gpu setup

Do 4k monitors at 100+ hz even exist yet? I've seen 2k at 144hz, but not 4k. Would be pretty nice. 4k still damn expensive though.
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Golem on May 27, 2016, 10:04:10 am
Also...how about those funky gsync monitors? Monitors usually last a lifetime and seems to me that these would be great for gaming.
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on May 27, 2016, 11:20:25 pm
Do 4k monitors at 100+ hz even exist yet? I've seen 2k at 144hz, but not 4k. Would be pretty nice. 4k still damn expensive though.

don't know, but 2k is nice too and you could more easily get decent fps with good gpu. This looks nice for example:

http://www.amazon.com/BenQ-XL2730Z-Monitor-Resolution-FreeSync/dp/B00TUK9D9K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1464383996&sr=8-1&keywords=BenQ+XL2730Z

Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Golem on May 28, 2016, 03:00:02 am
Afaik freesync is only compatible with AMD(I have nvidia) and you need a high-end card, whereas gsync monitors do most of the sync work for the GPU + this test shows that gsync is noticably better, when running between 30 and 60 fps, which is my problem, I rarely go below 40 on any game and if I am over 60 theres no use for it


also did someone else's yt button also disapear when making a post? I have to write it manualy since like 2 weeks ago, might be a soft mute  :lol:
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Golem on May 28, 2016, 03:31:19 am
This seems to be the way to go, as far as monitors go - but goddamn the price tag on that thing!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-PG27AQ-G-Sync-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B0168W283K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1464398875&sr=8-1&keywords=Asus+PG27AQ (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-PG27AQ-G-Sync-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B0168W283K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1464398875&sr=8-1&keywords=Asus+PG27AQ)

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Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Golem on May 28, 2016, 03:33:00 am
Might aswell get 4 extra 960s for that money  :lol:
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: DKNhz on May 28, 2016, 11:16:31 am
GPU: GTX 960
RAM: 8GB DDR5(? I think)
CPU: i5-4590 3.3GHz (quadcore)

What's limiting my performace the most? It's the i5, isn't it?

Skylake i5 6600
Asus Z170-A would be a solid choice.
GTX 960 (MSI Gaming 4G if possible)
and go for DDR4 with Skylake, not 3. 8GB is ok but i would get 16.

I think those are the best items that you can get as a money-friendly upgrade.
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Golem on May 28, 2016, 03:32:46 pm
Skylake i5 6600
Asus Z170-A would be a solid choice.
GTX 960 (MSI Gaming 4G if possible)
and go for DDR4 with Skylake, not 3. 8GB is ok but i would get 16.

I think those are the best items that you can get as a money-friendly upgrade.

I don't think I could buy anything from ASUS again. I used to have laptop from them, that fried itself just after the warranty expired.
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Jarold on May 29, 2016, 10:43:43 am
Haven't read any of the posts in this thread but here's my two cents from personal experience.

2k and 4k look great, but aren't worth the low fps and horsepower required to run it well. Get a 1080p 144hz monitor, it will change the way you enjoy games. Now I just strive for 120 fps in all my games because its so good looking.

I have a GTX 970 and it works great for 1080p, but it doesn't maintain anything above 60fps well without sacrificing graphical fidelity. So I need to upgrade.

However, I would wait for the new GTX 1000 series to come out and then upgrade to a GTX 1070 or 1060. I personally am saving for the GTX 1070 to use the full potential of my 144hz monitor, hopefully. I can never go back to 60hz again. Maybe i'll upgrade to a 2k 144hz monitor when GPU's become more powerful and cost effective to run in a few years. Just make sure to go ASUS with your monitors, imo.

I use an ASUS VG248QE, it was the best purchase I made for my gaming rig. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236313
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Kafein on May 29, 2016, 05:51:40 pm
So you think, it'd make a big difference in performance with the nvidia setting, that takes load off the CPU by saving to the disk, on?

EDIT: I will get the EVO since it's way cheaper, hope I don't regret it.

Basically, the SSD will make a difference in loading times and your PC will be a *lot* snappier with it, especially at boot time. You won't get a lot of additional FPS out of it unless you play games that have pop-in issues. Also I don't think I understand what setting you're talking about, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist.

As for monitors, if you go for high refresh rate or higher resolution you will need a big upgrade to your GPU to actually enjoy it. I have an overclocked 980 Ti and a 1440p 144Hz G-Sync monitor (https://www.asus.com/Monitors/ROG_SWIFT_PG278Q/) and my setup gets 60 FPS in The Witcher 3 with most everything at ultra.
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on May 29, 2016, 07:41:50 pm
Basically the SSD affects everything including games. We're not talking FPS but loading times are much better. Allegedly half the problems with Arkham Knight were due to mechanical hard drives and that caused a bottleneck which then caused massive FPS drops because the HDD couldn't transfer data fast enough. This is uncommon but regardless an SSD is the single biggest improvement you'll get. Get that and you're set, then get a 1060 when that turns up. Your i5 is fine, your 8GB RAM is mostly fine, 16GB is becoming the norm but not yet. Besides RAM isn't that expensive.
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Golem on May 29, 2016, 09:19:31 pm
Pretty sure that Nvidia has a setting that lets shaders save on disk to take off the load from the card.

I don't have the SSD yet, but as I understand it I put my system folder and all the games I want to use the SSD on it, right?
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on May 29, 2016, 09:51:29 pm
Er. You'll want to reinstall Windows on it. It comes with a disc that has cloning software so you can use that but I'd recommend a full reinstall for fresh smelling Windows.
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Golem on May 29, 2016, 10:14:16 pm
Er. You'll want to reinstall Windows on it. It comes with a disc that has cloning software so you can use that but I'd recommend a full reinstall for fresh smelling Windows.

Is Windows 10 tied to the MS account or do I have to find the CD, cause I don't think I have that.
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on May 30, 2016, 09:21:33 am
You can get a tool off Microsoft's website which creates a USB build key, then just stash the USB stick somewhere.
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Golem on May 30, 2016, 04:55:33 pm
You can get a tool off Microsoft's website which creates a USB build key, then just stash the USB stick somewhere.

Is it this thing? https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=8483 (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=8483)

nevermind found it
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Golem on May 30, 2016, 06:41:48 pm
Well...  :oops:

I'm an idiot, I kinda skipped the part where they tell you that the SSD doesn't ship with the neccessary SATA cables. So... I used the ones from my ROM  :lol:(I installed the thing migrate thing from the CD beforehand) Will this work? Do I need to plug the other end of the cable somewhere else, than it was before?
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: [ptx] on May 30, 2016, 06:44:25 pm
A SATA slot is a SATA slot.
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Golem on May 30, 2016, 06:48:13 pm
A SATA slot is a SATA slot.

So, that means, that a SATA cable plugged in a ROM goes into the same slot that a HDD or an SSD would? Phew.

What do I do now? Do I run the app from the CD? I still can't see the SSD on my PC, by the way.

edit: I'll have to go into the BIOS won't I? Goddamn it.
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: [ptx] on May 30, 2016, 06:55:24 pm
You can't see the new SSD because it's unformatted. You need to format it first. Use Disk Management tool to do it.
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Golem on May 30, 2016, 07:08:53 pm
Oh nice, it worked! Thank you PTX!
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Golem on May 30, 2016, 07:32:48 pm
BTW any superior DIY alternatives you guys would recommend before I buy a proper 2,5" to 3,5" casing? I taped it on top of the ROM for the time being, any way you guys see that backfiring? will the tape melt?

Also, I found these when I was digging through the PC, what are those for?

(click to show/hide)

yea I know it's dirty, I haven't opened it for awhile until today
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on May 30, 2016, 08:21:07 pm
Reminds me that my ssd is just loosely hanging on it's SATA and power cables for years. Always planned on getting a case some day, but then again waste of time & money.  :D
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Golem on May 31, 2016, 12:41:28 am
Thanks for all the help. I've been fiddling with BIOS for the past 4 hours and then found out that I just need to delete all the partitions  :mrgreen:

Last question. The installer didn't let me log into my account so I had to make a new one, how do I switch and activate Windows?  :)
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Varadin on May 31, 2016, 02:05:00 am
and i have 2gbram 250gtx and dual core , should i cry ?
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Golem on May 31, 2016, 02:07:00 am
I can send you some RAM from my old computer, what's your adress?
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Switchtense on May 31, 2016, 10:12:03 am
I have about the same setup but I have a gtx 660. So I gotta upgrade that soon.

660 masterrace!


But yea, nothing needs upgrading really.
IF you have too much money, then save some more for an i7, another 8GB of RAM and a GTX1080. Then you will be set for at least 6 years easy. (Unless they release some insanely advanced shit in the next years)
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Switchtense on May 31, 2016, 10:13:12 am
I can send you some RAM from my old computer, what's your adress?

Chances are your old RAM is not compatible with his Motherboard.
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Mr_Oujamaflip on May 31, 2016, 10:34:07 am
Picture is a molex cable, the white one is an old school fan header if I'm not mistaken.

Taping an SSD is ghetto but works, you can get 2.5 to 3.5 adapters on Amazon for like a fiver.
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: [ptx] on May 31, 2016, 10:37:31 am
If it's a stationary case, then you can just leave it as is, really. SSDs have no moving parts, they don't vibrate around the way HDDs do. Securing them in place is just for being neat.
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Golem on May 31, 2016, 11:15:27 am
Chances are your old RAM is not compatible with his Motherboard.

Since he has a dual-core, like I had on my computer, chances are it is. But just to be sure, they are. Ok, nevermind, seems like I don't have them anymore


90GB worth of porndata in 10 mins? no problemo.
I can finally say, that my computer's faculties are faster than my own  :)
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Kafein on May 31, 2016, 11:38:59 am
Modern cases have screws for 2.5" drives on the back side of the mobo plate. SATA connectors are all the same, except you want to use SATA 3.0 at 6Gb/s, not any other. Normally most if not all of your connectors are like this. Also it's probably best to leave it dangling than to tape it due to temperature.
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Golem on May 31, 2016, 12:36:00 pm
Modern cases have screws for 2.5" drives on the back side of the mobo plate. SATA connectors are all the same, except you want to use SATA 3.0 at 6Gb/s, not any other. Normally most if not all of your connectors are like this. Also it's probably best to leave it dangling than to tape it due to temperature.

I can hardly see the motherboard, from either side due to how the PC was built...

I also can't start any program from my old harddrive????

So incase, I need to reinstall Windows in the future, is there a way to put Registries on a flash disc, so I don't have to reinstall everything?
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Switchtense on May 31, 2016, 06:16:08 pm
My SSD is just resting on my HDD which I do not use anymore. Works perfectly fine so don't worry about taping or doing other shit that might do more harm than good.
Title: Re: Looking to upgrade my rig...
Post by: Kafein on May 31, 2016, 07:06:49 pm
So incase, I need to reinstall Windows in the future, is there a way to put Registries on a flash disc, so I don't have to reinstall everything?

No, just reinstall.