PPLE with gun = MORE DEADSYou seriously think criminals in countries with no guns cant get guns?! Ok I got a bridge to sell you.
No, cos only a retarded person would think that.Ok so I guess those guys that shot up france went to their local corner gunshop?
On the subject of retarded people, this is all gun control comes down to:
- How easy is it for your most deluded, retarded, and mentally unstable people in your country to get guns?
Do they need a ton of cash and black market connections?
Or do they just need a corner shop that accepts your credit card?
Nobody lives in a fairy-tale world where somebody waves a magic wand and makes all the guns vanish, it's about making it difficult for the kind of unstable nobodies that are likely to shoot up a school or rampage on the streets to get their hands on lethal weapons.
it is not about buying them. It is about having them. U get robbed by someone. -> U have a gun? - He will be afraid and maybe kills u. Atleast he'll be nervous. You have no gun? Well then he'll probably be like there is no danger to be feared. #Let's just rob him/her and gtfo.I'm sry but plenty get robbed and killed w/o ever having a gun, and exactly what psychiatric book ypu pulling that hogwash from?
Ofc.
You can tell because this is a monthly occurrence in France just like in some other shithole countries... Oh wait, no it's not a common occurrence in France because they restrict firearms. But i guess cos this one event happened in however many years we should just throw the cap off it right? Give everyone guns? Duuuuuuur, that's a smart idea, then there'd be zero shootings.
Might I ask what country sir hails from.
This is the first and only time this happens in France
This is the first and only time this happens in France, for an American to claim any sort of moral superiority is hilarious.I never claimed any moral superiority and from what I read above my post you sure are quick to throw in your anti murrica propaganda. Good day sir. And god bless the families of those who were killed.
If i ever need advise on how to shoot rooms full of innocent people then i'll ask for an American's opinion, but advise on how to prevent these events? Ye... no thanks. Muricans are the quickest people in the world to just give up, roll over, and present their ass to gun crime as an inevitable fact of life, not a preventable form of crime.
Yes, the real issue in this event is clearly how awful the US is and how gun culture is bad, please indulge in more of your usual bullshit, those muslims aren't going to apologize for themselves after all.It's funny how the Islam apologists are hard at work even before the last victims are dead.
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That hijabed cunt got it right, "everyone" suffers. Everyone that lives next to sunni's or around sunni's or among sunni's suffer this sort of violence, all over the world. It's only normal we get our fair share.
Islam would be labeled a "cult" in western society if it was not attached to their ethnic identity, as it has no central authority and cannot be regulated. It's protected by political correctness and it's the most dangerous cult in the world.
Being a religion has nothing to do with having a central authority...
It does when the religion is spawning violence and racial hatred.
As do all religions.
But trying to argue that Islam should be labelled a cult in western society is idiotic as it's a world religion.
Islam is the sea in which these shitbags swim. Being a "moderate" muslim can go from anywhere to having the same backwards fucking beliefs as the worst ISIS supporter but not to the point that you're willing to personally enforce them with violence to the muslim in name only for whom it is nothing more than a superficial tribal marker. Islam has aids. It's infected with a virulent disease that no, is not present in nearly the same degree or scope in any other religion on the planet, no matter how many equivocations and hundred years old examples the apologists usually trot out.
Sadly being a peaceful Muslim who denounces these type of attacks does nothing to prevent them, it only gives credibility to the ideology that breeds the terrorists and fanatics. I would not partake in a religion that produces this type of atrocities unless I was forced to, which most Muslims are due to fear of apostasy.
It's no different if you born here you would probably be a Catholic or a Protestant. Most people don't heavily identify with their religion because they have a choice not to. The difference is neither of those religions support atrocities and can be held accountable for their actions. Islam is backwards as it is organized like a cult and has no central figurehead or authority, and should be treated like one.
Even if the religion in no way condoned these kinds of acts in it's writings?
The deeper problem with the types of people who become involved in planning and committing these acts are that they are typically targeted and encouraged to do this by others who use religion as a political tool and use their own reasoning, presented as religious truth, to justify them and encourage them. Even if they have no real basis in that religion. The problem is those who get deeply involved enough aren't likely to question what they are being told.
Cult: 1. A system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object:
the cult of St Olaf
2. A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or as imposing excessive control over members:
a network of Satan-worshipping cults
Nothing like a cult so not sure why you insist on using that word. A religion doesn't need to have a central figurehead or authority. Most world religions don't to the extent you seem to be suggesting. Catholicism is one of the few examples.
You're right, which is why Islam is the predominant religion is countries that do NOT separate religion from state. Most Europeans and Americans don't self-identify with their religion but with their country. Without State support Islam is nothing but a Cult, which is why it is incompatible with western civilization.
Is that any better? Nationalism can be just as bad in many regards. Just look at the IRA for a prime example of terrorist attacks aimed at civilians backed by nationalism.
I think you underestimate how many westerners do identify with their religion anyway. Part of the problem these days is that religion in certain social groups can be seen as a dirty word. Take the CRPG board as a prime example. So a lot of people tend to be less vocal about it. At least that's the case in the UK in my experience with peers.
Anyway totally ignoring the definition of cult and religion is bizarre so not going to continue arguing that point.
Yea the IRA hasn't even killed 1% of the people that Islamist's have, pretty weak comparison, are they dangerous? sure. Are they a realistic threat in this decade or the present? No.
Nationalism is not a threat, you should be proud of your country if not get the fuck out and find one you are of.
I'd like to add that the Calais migrant camp has been set on fire pretty soon after the attacks as well. Probably retaliation would be my guess.(click to show/hide)
No shit. The IRA was a tiny organisation compared to a world religion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bombings_during_the_Northern_Ireland_Troubles_and_peace_process
Extreme nationalisation is. The same way religious extremists are a threat.
Hundreds of years of English tyranny, indentured servitude and land robbery will piss people off. The Irish have more to be pissed off at than any raghead who is getting a free ride. So what their tent got burnt, they will be getting a free apartment and welfare checks. Does it make it right? No, should they move on and get over it yes. It's not called being nationalistic, it's called being an asshole, there's a difference.
The IRA has killed far more in my country than Islamists have. And lol, nice to see that history dispassionately sees them as a purely political nationalist group (which they were), and forgets the anti-catholic hysteria in at the height of their bombings. When terrorist attacks happen, people look for something easy to blame, only history sees the pathetic attacks for what they are, radicals never last forever.
Decades of repeat invasions will also piss people off. Heck the West only has itself to blame for the mess it's made of other countries. Supporting extremists in the past is now coming back to haunt in the present.
Ok I'll come burn your house down. But don't worry I'm sure you have insurance right? In the mean time I'll supply you a sleeping bag to last you the winter whilst they process your claim. I'm sure you'd get over that reeeal fast.
Oh so we've moved on to to the "this is righteous retribution" part? Thanks Overdriven, for giving me the perspective of a true islamic scholar and gentleman. I surely do appreciate it. Wow, if only there were more muslims like you.
When the obvious consequences for all muslims start being felt, you'll get just about as much sympathy from me. Maybe if we hadn't important hundreds of thousands of people who so clearly loathe us this wouldn't be a problem, no? What more can the West do to accomodate muslims, honestly? Are they pouring in by the millions because life is so onerous and harsh and oppressive? We literally opened up our countries to them, treat them no different than anyone else, something no muslim country would ever do for any non-muslim, and we're supposed to just stay there and accept that oh, the occasional mass terrorist attack is just a fact of life we have to live with? Fuck you. And fuck all the entitled muslim cunts who think it's their godamn birthright to own our fucking countries.
Can you ask your missus one question? What does she and other women find in Islam? Male pov is easy, you get to be big mean lord of hers, can take other women as your brides, she can't look at other men, has to wear pitch black fullbody suit if you and your fellow men request. But what's there for her?
More bait please.
It's nothing to do with righteous retribution. More to do with the fact that for years the West intended to destabilise countries to oppose communism by supporting extremist movements. Now down the line when they are in opposition its come right back to bite us in the arse. Is it any great surprise that extremists movements have grown to the extent that they are trying to form a caliphate when they were given direct funding to support their growth by Western nations. Naturally they are now using that growth and man power to target the West directly.
Extremism was created against the West when the Saudi Arabian King called upon the United States to defend the Muslim Holy Land from Saddam in the 90's. Osama bin Laden and other fanatics were simply jealous and butthurt they lost their chance of being the defenders of Islam with their Mujas. That's all a load of shit. The Middle-East was never stable.
Glad i'm sharing the country with you instead of someone like Oberyn, that guy has some crazy backwards views.
It was never stable because it was idiotically divided into nice little squares by the UK ect post colonialism. And prior to that it was fought over by empires.
It was also divided into different squares for a 1000 years from different Muslim rulers, it was never stable, if anything the west brought economic growth, technology and trade. Look at India, they don't have half the natural resources the Middle-East does and they aren't blowing each other up in troves, they are one of the most powerful economies in the world.
There's entire networks of support behind these acts, painting it as just 7 people is fucking ridiculous. From mosques to imams to "charitable" organizations to religious/philosophical hobby groups to community "leaders" to extended families to etc, etc, these are the organisms in which these festering bacteria develop. Again, Islam is the sea in which the mujahedeen swim, to paraphrase Mao. As soon as there is a sizeable sunni muslim population anywhere these sorts of attacks began.
Honestly, such disengenuous bullshit comparisons. France also has millions of italian immigrants, guess how many of them commit terrorist attacks? Not even 4 out of 3 million. How many portuguese? How many orthodox? How many chinese? How many japanese? You compare proportionally to any immigrant population and algerian/moroccan (the vast majority of sunni muslims in France) are disproportionately represented. Fuck your mealy mouthed bullshit equivocations. Stop pretending there's nothing fucking wrong with your religion. When I see people like you stop making a list of extensive excuses why this is perfectly understandable every time some lunatic murders my people by the hundred I'll start giving a shit about your moronic opinion. I shit on the entire retarded clown circus you cunts call Ummah. It's the only true allegiance you have and it shows, and it is why the lunatics find it so easy to live among you. Entire circus starts circling the wagons and protecting the faithful, zero guilt or perish the thought an inkling of an understanding that maybe something is rotten in the state of Islam.
The Ottoman Empire was pretty damn stable for the most part as far as Empires go.
No India just has to contend with Hindu vs Muslim nationalism and constant riots as a result. Not to mention a never ending war with Pakistan over Kashmir. Again another big post colonialism fuck up though admittedly one that was supported by a hefty portion of those who wanted Independence in India at the time.
Looks like some of them are shitting right back on you, feels good doesnt it? Here's a thought, maybe you should both stop shitting on each other and grow up. But no, too many lunatics living amongst you.
But let's be honest Oberyn, you dont want this to stop do you? You like preaching doom and gloom so i bet you're loving this. Bet you came in your pants when you heard 160+ people were dead, what a perfect opportunity to get on your little soapbox and talk about the end of days at the hand of the evil muslim. Sure, nothing's been confirmed yet but why wait? If you're desperate to have your pathetic little holy war then that's fine, just dont pretend you arent enjoying yourself.
Because the Muslim rulers used ruthless measures to subdue the population.
India's problems are mainly from the Muslims causing trouble, not because of past colonialism. Muslim invaders conquered parts of India, they weren't invited.
You know the Muslims are causing trouble when even the Buddhists want to kill them, when their whole religion revolves around pacifism.
It has nothing to do with the Mughals. Seriously?!?!?! Mughal rule in India was extremely peaceful once it was near united and lasted for 100's years.
The situation with Hindu/Muslim tensions in India entirely spans from the British Empire and partition. It was British policy to incite Muslims and Hindus against each other as a means of control and that came to a head during the partition. Muslims and Hindu's even fought together in multiple uprisings against the British. Heck the only criticism most Hindus have of the Mughals is that they 'let' the British in through trade deals and alliances. Britain essentially used the Mughals as their in route.
So the several terrorist attacks by Muslims recently in India have something to do with the Mughals and colonial Britain?
Frankly Overdriven, if you had asked me 5 years ago I would've given you the expected and standard response. Today, particularly after listening to you pontificate on how this is merely karmic retribution for the sins of our ancestors, I can honestly say that as long as your wife isn't gunned down by an angry lunatic she can shut the fuck up about her racism sob stories. Lol insulted and spat on, that's the worse you got? You think this shit doesn't go both ways, and much, much more violently one way? Do I really need to specify which way that is?
Not the Mughals but colonial Britain certainly. The Indian Government typically blame the attacks on Pakistani militants. A country that was created out of nothing during the partition when the Indian sub-continent was effectively divided by religion and whole communities were forced to move to their appropriate country.
I'm sure moderate Muslims everywhere are giving false reassurances to would be killers justifying their actions based on events that happened hundreds of years ago by casting the blame inadvertently . Murdering and executing hundreds of people in Mumbai in the name of Islam was surely the British Colonial governments fault because they didn't segregate them properly, totally justified.
No, it's not a surprise. It's exactly what is expected when you let hundreds of thousands of people from a collective that feel completely entitled to their hatred of your collective. I'm not sure why anyone expects it to change, especially when their hatred is coddled and encouraged by our own society. Even now thousands of moronic bleeding hearts are taking to twitter to express their fear at the racist "backlash" against the poor innocent muslims, just like the horrible "backlash" from Charlie Hebdo that was decried before the bodies were even cooling, the one that, you know, never fucking happened. But the important thing is to show they are not giving up the dream in the face of icky reality. Gotta show those progressive bona fides. As with Charlie Hebdo, I predict a similar rash of bullshit apologia, similar to the crap you've spewed on this thread. Predictable underlying narrative: the ultimate villain is our society and nation which we must work harder to change, ingrained as it is with the terrible baggage of our uniquely evil past.
You know the organisation that was blamed for the Mumbai attacks was funded by Osama Bin Laden, who guess what? Founded Al Qaeda, which guess what? Was born out of the organisations paid to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan by the West.
Understanding where these organisations got their boost to prominence simply reinforces how misguided the West was against the terrible threat of communism. Now these organisations have massive resources to preach their hate around the world and influence more and more to commit horrendous crimes in the name of their twisted vision of Islam. A vision that is clearly more about personal gain and some fucked up need for control than about any real religious belief.
He was a multi-millionaire with many rich connections beforehand and was not the leader of the organization the US aided at the time which was not Al Qaeda. The majority of them disbanded or continued fighting in the factional wars and infighting that took place after the Soviets withdrew in Afghanistan. The infighting and civil war was still raging on when the US entered Afghanistan after the 9/11 attacks.
How would stopping immigration lead to a holocaust, exactly? Are the muslims currently in France going to evaporate if they cease to be fed by a stream of hundreds of thousands of their correligionists per year?
He coordinated those rich connections to fund the more extremist groups that fought the Soviets. But the US also funded the same parties. They weren't the same organisation as and equally he wasn't the leader but Al Qaeda was ultimately what the policy led to.
That was more in relation to chuck out all the Muslims part. The point being it's a culture of blame directed at an entire religion and that draws similarities.
His organization was one of many that was part of a force of over 100,000 who were fighting the Soviets. Nothing was given to him on a personal level.
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Don't anger the muslims or you deserve what's coming to you. The real responsability lies with the extreme right, clearly. If only these obsolete dinosaurs perpetuating capitalism and the white heteronormative patriarchy didn't exist, none of this would've happened. Violent rhetoric...violent...rhetoric...that's the real issue. As more than a hundred people are dead, these muckracking scum have the gall to write this.
it is not about buying them. It is about having them. U get robbed by someone. -> U have a gun? - He will be afraid and maybe kills u. Atleast he'll be nervous. You have no gun? Well then he'll probably be like there is no danger to be feared. #Let's just rob him/her and gtfo.
It was never stable because it was idiotically divided into nice little squares by the UK ect post colonialism. And prior to that it was fought over by empires.
Can agree with that!
Racist cunts are as scary as terrorrists.Oh yes, racist cunts are as scary as terrorists who kill thousands of people.
They want weapons everywhere.
Kill them both all.
Oh yes, racist cunts are as scary as terrorists who kill thousands of people.
Now you'll no doubt prove that "racist cunts" want weapons everywhere.
I really hope Pepe is just a troll, seriously, this guy is saying it'd be as bad to have someone be mean to his kids as having someone blow them up. Fucked up. But what can you expect from someone that intentionally makes his children cry and feel unloved?
You lot are incredibly sad human beings.That means so much coming from a white guy who decided to start believing in a fucked up imaginary friend as an adult.
Multiculturalism can and does work in many countries. It works for me, as half the family of my girlfriend isn't from Germany.
Actually it's:
Any culture + muslims
and muslims + muslims
that doesn't work. Guess whats the reason for it. It's math.
You lot are incredibly sad human beings.
I have no idea what organized terrorism and gun control have in common. They don't really overlap much in reality. Troll topic is troll.Except Islam and Muslims are connected to all the worst atrocities and behavior all across the world. The only connection between those people is their religion. "Radical Islam" where people blow themselves up is relatively rare, yes, but they have the quiet support of many moderate Muslims... but that's only one part of the story. Then we have the gangrapes (such as in the UK, thousands of girls systematically raped and groomed for rape), over-representation in crime statistics in general, the treatment of women and minorities in their own countries, etc etc. Or just go look at the "moderate Muslim" forums and see what their opinions are like.
Religion can be merely a tool for controlling the weak minded into doing specific things. Some beliefs are more convenient for spreading chaos and death than others. Dogmas can get bent into all kinds of perversions. Religious extremism: not necessary but goddamn convenient to get and keep people fighting. I would imagine it's pretty easy for someone to create a violent mutation of a religion (a sub-religion if you will) when you have a lot of desperate poor people struggling to get food in their bellies while their corrupt country leaders are swimming in money. Seems weird to put the blame/focus on religion since it's definitely not the only factor. There is corrupt leaders, rebel leaders, religious rebel leaders, the world police, international geopolitics and multiple conflicts following each other or happening at the same time in nearby areas.
Seems weird to put the blame/focus on religion since it's definitely not the only factor.
Except Islam and Muslims are connected to all the worst atrocities and behavior all across the world. The only connection between those people is their religion. "Radical Islam" where people blow themselves up is relatively rare, yes, but they have the quiet support of many moderate Muslims... but that's only one part of the story. Then we have the gangrapes (such as in the UK, thousands of girls systematically raped and groomed for rape), over-representation in crime statistics in general, the treatment of women and minorities in their own countries, etc etc. Or just go look at the "moderate Muslim" forums and see what their opinions are like.
It really is like defending Nazism because not all Nazis were throwing jews into ovens. At some point it's time to wake up and smell the coffee and realize the one common denominator of all this 5th century behavior happening everywhere that Islam has spread.
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/sweden-opened-its-doors-to-muslim-immigration-today-its-the-rape-capital-of-the-west-japan-didnt?f=must_reads
Xant explained religion very well (imaginary friend example). Focusing or putting blame on religion means we treat it something worthy of discussion. I fucking don't. It is incredibly backwards way of thinking and should be put to rest. People need to get that shit out of their heads. It is that simple.
Goes for any organized religion, sect or whatever. Nazism included.
Some of the things that have been posted are truly sickening to read.