hows that multiculturalism and gun control working out, france?

[Overdriven]

    Hundreds of years of English tyranny, indentured servitude and land robbery will piss people off. The Irish have more to be pissed off at than any raghead who is getting a free ride. So what their tent got burnt, they will be getting a free apartment and welfare checks. Does it make it right? No, should they move on and get over it yes. It's not called being nationalistic, it's called being an asshole, there's a difference.

Decades of repeat invasions will also piss people off. Heck the West only has itself to blame for the mess it's made of other countries. Supporting extremists in the past is now coming back to haunt in the present.

Ok I'll come burn your house down. But don't worry I'm sure you have insurance right? In the mean time I'll supply you a sleeping bag to last you the winter whilst they process your claim. I'm sure you'd get over that reeeal fast.

[Grytviken]

The IRA has killed far more in my country than Islamists have. And lol, nice to see that history dispassionately sees them as a purely political nationalist group (which they were), and forgets the anti-catholic hysteria in at the height of their bombings. When terrorist attacks happen, people look for something easy to blame, only history sees the pathetic attacks for what they are, radicals never last forever.

So did the English not purposely starve the Irish and rob them of land and send English nobility to rule over them for hundreds of years like they tried to do in the United States? Also the Irish here in the United States suffered far worse racism than any Muslim has ever sufferred in Europe, I don't recall them beheading people and shooting up soccer games, they took it on the chin and got their pasty red headed asses any  job they could find.

[Grytviken]

Decades of repeat invasions will also piss people off. Heck the West only has itself to blame for the mess it's made of other countries. Supporting extremists in the past is now coming back to haunt in the present.

Ok I'll come burn your house down. But don't worry I'm sure you have insurance right? In the mean time I'll supply you a sleeping bag to last you the winter whilst they process your claim. I'm sure you'd get over that reeeal fast.

If I was forced to flee for refuge in a Muslim country the best I could hope for is that my tent burned down, i'd probably be chopped into several pieces and fed to the camels for desert.

[Oberyn]

Oh so we've moved on to to the "this is righteous retribution" part? Thanks Overdriven, for giving me the perspective of a true islamic scholar and gentleman. I surely do appreciate it. Wow, if only there were more muslims like you.

[Leshma]

Never meant to go this this far but fuck it. Overdriven, does that pussy wear a hijab? Most females have men by their balls, but boy, you're something else.

As my great great grandfather would say: man is a man until he gets married, there is no man after that.

[Overdriven]

Oh so we've moved on to to the "this is righteous retribution" part? Thanks Overdriven, for giving me the perspective of a true islamic scholar and gentleman. I surely do appreciate it. Wow, if only there were more muslims like you.

More bait please.

It's nothing to do with righteous retribution. More to do with the fact that for years the West intended to destabilise countries to oppose communism by supporting extremist movements. Now down the line when they are in opposition its come right back to bite us in the arse. Is it any great surprise that extremists movements have grown to the extent that they are trying to form a caliphate when they were given direct funding to support their growth by Western nations. Naturally they are now using that growth and man power to target the West directly.

[Oberyn]

When the obvious consequences for all muslims start being felt, you'll get just about as much sympathy from me. Maybe if we hadn't important hundreds of thousands of people who so clearly loathe us this wouldn't be a problem, no? What more can the West do to accomodate muslims, honestly? Are they pouring in by the millions because life is so onerous and harsh and oppressive? We literally opened up our countries to them, treat them no different than anyone else, something no muslim country would ever do for any non-muslim, and we're supposed to just stay there and accept that oh, the occasional mass terrorist attack is just a fact of life we have to live with? Fuck you. And fuck all the entitled muslim cunts who think it's their godamn birthright to own our fucking countries.

[Overdriven]

I do indeed.

[Leshma]

Can you ask your missus one question? What does she and other women find in Islam? Male pov is easy, you get to be big mean lord of hers, can take other women as your brides, she can't look at other men, has to wear pitch black fullbody suit if you and your fellow men request. But what's there for her?

[Oberyn]

Blah blah blah, multiculturalism is great, blah blah blah, necessary sacrifices, blah blah blah, 2nd generation integrates (LOOOL, what generation where the guys who did the Charlie Hebdo attacks? What generation are the hundreds going to Syria? What generation are the thousands of angry malcontents that loathe the country and everything it stands for?) Yes, surely the answer is that we're just not tolerant enough, clearly. We must just be patient. What's a few hundred dead here and there? All these negative nancy's poiting out it's only getting worse, they're just frightened racists. The real war is the war against our own awful, racist, insular culture that prevents all the wonderful strains of humanity from blooming to their full potential.

[Overdriven]

When the obvious consequences for all muslims start being felt, you'll get just about as much sympathy from me. Maybe if we hadn't important hundreds of thousands of people who so clearly loathe us this wouldn't be a problem, no? What more can the West do to accomodate muslims, honestly? Are they pouring in by the millions because life is so onerous and harsh and oppressive? We literally opened up our countries to them, treat them no different than anyone else, something no muslim country would ever do for any non-muslim, and we're supposed to just stay there and accept that oh, the occasional mass terrorist attack is just a fact of life we have to live with? Fuck you. And fuck all the entitled muslim cunts who think it's their godamn birthright to own our fucking countries.

And for the vast majority they are contributing members of society. We are talking about a few brainwashed individuals turned to these acts by extremist organisations who deliberately target people, particularly at young ages, to maximise their influence over them. There are almost 3 million Muslims in the UK. The 7/7 bombings were carried out by 4 terrorists. Naturally there are plenty more that don't succeed and also those who harbor extremist views/join organisations but don't commit these acts. But 4 guys out of 3 million? Labelling an entire community due to the acts of very few is idiotic.

Can you ask your missus one question? What does she and other women find in Islam? Male pov is easy, you get to be big mean lord of hers, can take other women as your brides, she can't look at other men, has to wear pitch black fullbody suit if you and your fellow men request. But what's there for her?

A great deal. If practiced properly Islam is actually extremely fair to women. For instance if a woman earns she can keep and spend her earnings however the heck she likes. A man on the other hand has as a requirement to provide for his family and his earnings are also hers.

Can't answer the marrying multiple women thing as it's never really crossed my mind so I haven't researched it as completely as other aspects.

The burqua and hijab aren't requirements. Sure they are enforced in many countries but my wife, and the majority of our Muslim friends choose not too and it's perfectly acceptable within the community because within the Quran there's no stipulation for it. Here it's entirely a choice. The only time women are expected to cover their hair is in a mosque. But then I've been to churches where they require that.

[Grytviken]

More bait please.

It's nothing to do with righteous retribution. More to do with the fact that for years the West intended to destabilise countries to oppose communism by supporting extremist movements. Now down the line when they are in opposition its come right back to bite us in the arse. Is it any great surprise that extremists movements have grown to the extent that they are trying to form a caliphate when they were given direct funding to support their growth by Western nations. Naturally they are now using that growth and man power to target the West directly.

Extremism was created against the West when the Saudi Arabian King called upon the United States to defend the Muslim Holy Land from Saddam in the 90's. Osama bin Laden and other fanatics were simply jealous and butthurt they lost their chance of being the defenders of Islam with their Mujas. That's all a load of shit. The Middle-East was never stable.

[Overdriven]

Extremism was created against the West when the Saudi Arabian King called upon the United States to defend the Muslim Holy Land from Saddam in the 90's. Osama bin Laden and other fanatics were simply jealous and butthurt they lost their chance of being the defenders of Islam with their Mujas. That's all a load of shit. The Middle-East was never stable.

It was never stable because it was idiotically divided into nice little squares by the UK ect post colonialism. And prior to that it was fought over by empires.

Glad i'm sharing the country with you instead of someone like Oberyn, that guy has some crazy backwards views.

Can agree with that!

[Grytviken]

It was never stable because it was idiotically divided into nice little squares by the UK ect post colonialism. And prior to that it was fought over by empires.

It was also divided into different squares for a 1000 years from different Muslim rulers, it was never stable, if anything the west brought economic growth, technology and trade. Look at India, they don't have half the natural resources the Middle-East does and they aren't blowing each other up in troves, they are one of the most powerful economies in the world.

 Their religious quarrels with the West are as credible as their religion. Muhammed wrote the Quran after slaughtering a tribe of Saudi Arabian Jews and conveniently finding a copy of the Torah on them, he kept one jew alive to transcribe it and alter it.

[Oberyn]

There's entire networks of support behind these acts, painting it as just 7 people is fucking ridiculous. From mosques to imams to "charitable" organizations to religious/philosophical hobby groups to community "leaders" to extended families to etc, etc, these are the organisms in which these festering bacteria develop. Again, Islam is the sea in which the mujahedeen swim, to paraphrase Mao. As soon as there is a sizeable sunni muslim population anywhere these sorts of attacks began.
Honestly, such disengenuous bullshit comparisons. France also has millions of italian immigrants, guess how many of them commit terrorist attacks? Not even 4 out of 3 million. How many portuguese? How many orthodox? How many chinese? How many japanese? You compare proportionally to any immigrant population and algerian/moroccan (the vast majority of sunni muslims in France) are disproportionately represented. Fuck your mealy mouthed bullshit equivocations. Stop pretending there's nothing fucking wrong with your religion. When I see people like you stop making a list of extensive excuses why this is perfectly understandable every time some lunatic murders my people by the hundred I'll start giving a shit about your moronic opinion. I shit on the entire retarded clown circus you cunts call Ummah. It's the only true allegiance you have and it shows, and it is why the lunatics find it so easy to live among you. Entire circus starts circling the wagons and protecting the faithful, zero guilt or perish the thought an inkling of an understanding that maybe something is rotten in the state of Islam.