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Re: hows that multiculturalism and gun control working out, france?
« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2015, 02:31:06 am »
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Islam is the sea in which these shitbags swim. Being a "moderate" muslim can go from anywhere to having the same backwards fucking beliefs as the worst ISIS supporter but not to the point that you're willing to personally enforce them with violence to the muslim in name only for whom it is nothing more than a superficial tribal marker. Islam has aids. It's infected with a virulent disease that no, is not present in nearly the same degree or scope in any other religion on the planet, no matter how many equivocations and hundred years old examples the apologists usually trot out.
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Re: hows that multiculturalism and gun control working out, france?
« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2015, 02:38:00 am »
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Islam is the sea in which these shitbags swim. Being a "moderate" muslim can go from anywhere to having the same backwards fucking beliefs as the worst ISIS supporter but not to the point that you're willing to personally enforce them with violence to the muslim in name only for whom it is nothing more than a superficial tribal marker. Islam has aids. It's infected with a virulent disease that no, is not present in nearly the same degree or scope in any other religion on the planet, no matter how many equivocations and hundred years old examples the apologists usually trot out.

 It's no different if you born here you would probably be a Catholic or a Protestant. Most people don't heavily identify with their religion because they have a choice not to. The difference is neither of those religions support atrocities and can be held accountable for their actions. Islam is backwards as it is organized like a cult and has no central figurehead or authority, and should be treated like one.

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Re: hows that multiculturalism and gun control working out, france?
« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2015, 02:40:48 am »
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  Sadly being a peaceful Muslim who denounces these type of attacks does nothing to prevent them, it only gives credibility to the ideology that breeds the terrorists and fanatics. I would not partake in a religion that produces this type of atrocities unless I was forced to, which most Muslims are due to fear of apostasy.

Even if the religion in no way condoned these kinds of acts in it's writings?

The deeper problem with the types of people who become involved in planning and committing these acts are that they are typically targeted and encouraged to do this by others who use religion as a political tool and use their own reasoning, presented as religious truth, to justify them and encourage them. Even if they have no real basis in that religion. The problem is those who get deeply involved enough aren't likely to question what they are being told.

It's no different if you born here you would probably be a Catholic or a Protestant. Most people don't heavily identify with their religion because they have a choice not to. The difference is neither of those religions support atrocities and can be held accountable for their actions. Islam is backwards as it is organized like a cult and has no central figurehead or authority, and should be treated like one.

Cult: 1. A system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object:
the cult of St Olaf
2. A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or as imposing excessive control over members:
a network of Satan-worshipping cults

Nothing like a cult so not sure why you insist on using that word. A religion doesn't need to have a central figurehead or authority. Most world religions don't to the extent you seem to be suggesting. Catholicism is one of the few examples.
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Re: hows that multiculturalism and gun control working out, france?
« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2015, 02:41:45 am »
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Those poor, sweet, brainwashed boys. Won't somebody think of the terrorists. You're delusional if you think nothing in islamic writings condones this sort of thing. Your entire religion is a "political tool". The entire thing is "political", from root to stem.
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Re: hows that multiculturalism and gun control working out, france?
« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2015, 02:48:41 am »
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Even if the religion in no way condoned these kinds of acts in it's writings?

The deeper problem with the types of people who become involved in planning and committing these acts are that they are typically targeted and encouraged to do this by others who use religion as a political tool and use their own reasoning, presented as religious truth, to justify them and encourage them. Even if they have no real basis in that religion. The problem is those who get deeply involved enough aren't likely to question what they are being told.

Cult: 1. A system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object:
the cult of St Olaf
2. A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or as imposing excessive control over members:
a network of Satan-worshipping cults

Nothing like a cult so not sure why you insist on using that word. A religion doesn't need to have a central figurehead or authority. Most world religions don't to the extent you seem to be suggesting. Catholicism is one of the few examples.

 You're right, which is why Islam is the predominant religion in countries that do NOT separate religion from state. Most Europeans and Americans don't self-identify with their religion but with their country. Without State support Islam is nothing but a Cult, which is why it is incompatible with western civilization. Christian "cults" are at worst stealing and scamming money out of old delusional and naive people and blackmailing them, not murdering people. They are also heavily targeted by tax agencies because they are known scams, they are per say not compatible either, as they try to abuse the law and take advantage of people hiding behind the bible or their incarnation of it.
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Re: hows that multiculturalism and gun control working out, france?
« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2015, 02:52:09 am »
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Re: hows that multiculturalism and gun control working out, france?
« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2015, 02:58:42 am »
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You're right, which is why Islam is the predominant religion is countries that do NOT separate religion from state. Most Europeans and Americans don't self-identify with their religion but with their country. Without State support Islam is nothing but a Cult, which is why it is incompatible with western civilization.

Is that any better? Nationalism can be just as bad in many regards. Just look at the IRA for a prime example of terrorist attacks aimed at civilians backed by nationalism.

I think you underestimate how many westerners do identify with their religion anyway. Part of the problem these days is that religion in certain social groups can be seen as a dirty word. Take the CRPG board as a prime example. So a lot of people tend to be less vocal about it. At least that's the case in the UK in my experience with peers.

Anyway totally ignoring the definition of cult and religion is bizarre so not going to continue arguing that point.

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Re: hows that multiculturalism and gun control working out, france?
« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2015, 03:01:34 am »
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Yes, the chilling connotations come from closing of the borders, not the 160+ dead people. Muslim fanatics making a habit of recklessly slaughtering people in the streets has me worried, as a nation that considers itself free. Heskey yet again focusing on the hard hitting issues. Good job laying the groundwork to whine about how France is now a totalitarian dystopia because of the steps necessary to prevent another group of angry, disguntled, murderous muslims from erupting in yet another spectacle of love and peace and understanding for which islam is universally known. No amount of steps is going to prevent this from happening again. Same "prediction" as after Charlie Hebdo, which might as well be a prediction about a coin falling when you drop it.
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Re: hows that multiculturalism and gun control working out, france?
« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2015, 03:02:49 am »
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Is that any better? Nationalism can be just as bad in many regards. Just look at the IRA for a prime example of terrorist attacks aimed at civilians backed by nationalism.

I think you underestimate how many westerners do identify with their religion anyway. Part of the problem these days is that religion in certain social groups can be seen as a dirty word. Take the CRPG board as a prime example. So a lot of people tend to be less vocal about it. At least that's the case in the UK in my experience with peers.

Anyway totally ignoring the definition of cult and religion is bizarre so not going to continue arguing that point.

  Yea the IRA hasn't even killed 1% of the people that Islamist's have, pretty weak comparison, are they dangerous? sure. Are they a realistic threat in this decade or the present? No.

 Nationalism is not a threat, you should be proud of your country if not get the fuck out and find one you are of.   

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Re: hows that multiculturalism and gun control working out, france?
« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2015, 03:04:19 am »
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I'd like to add that the Calais migrant camp has been set on fire pretty soon after the attacks as well. Probably retaliation would be my guess.
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  Yea the IRA hasn't even killed 1% of the people that Islamist's have, pretty weak comparison, are they dangerous? sure. Are they a realistic threat in this decade or the present? No.

 Nationalism is not a threat, you should be proud of your country if not get the fuck out and find one you are of.

No shit. The IRA was a tiny organisation compared to a world religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bombings_during_the_Northern_Ireland_Troubles_and_peace_process

Extreme nationalisation is. The same way religious extremists are a threat.

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Re: hows that multiculturalism and gun control working out, france?
« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2015, 03:06:53 am »
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Yes, focus on the real victims of this, please more talk about how the US is bad and religion is misunderstood by the evil atheists on the internet.
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Re: hows that multiculturalism and gun control working out, france?
« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2015, 03:07:36 am »
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Alea iacta est

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Re: hows that multiculturalism and gun control working out, france?
« Reply #42 on: November 14, 2015, 03:09:07 am »
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Should've nuked Serbia. Alea iacta est, after all.
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Re: hows that multiculturalism and gun control working out, france?
« Reply #43 on: November 14, 2015, 03:10:25 am »
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I'd like to add that the Calais migrant camp has been set on fire pretty soon after the attacks as well. Probably retaliation would be my guess.
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No shit. The IRA was a tiny organisation compared to a world religion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bombings_during_the_Northern_Ireland_Troubles_and_peace_process

Extreme nationalisation is. The same way religious extremists are a threat.

    Hundreds of years of English tyranny, indentured servitude and land robbery will piss people off. The Irish have more to be pissed off at than any raghead who is getting a free ride. So what their tent got burnt, they will be getting a free apartment and welfare checks. Does it make it right? No, should they move on and get over it yes. It's not called being nationalistic, it's called being an asshole, there's a difference.

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Re: hows that multiculturalism and gun control working out, france?
« Reply #44 on: November 14, 2015, 03:12:33 am »
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How can you be sure I'm not a cockroach? :wink:

Drop dem nukes, we ant walking alligator people will rise.