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Title: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: Panos_ on September 22, 2015, 02:35:56 pm
Ok, I think that we need, more than ever, Loompoints to be auctioned by the system or sold like normal items.

Marketplace is full of greedy cunts who want to have it all, making retarded trades.

I remember that loompoints used to cost 380k, not a fucking million.

We need to take the power back, and kick the Poopscammers wannabes in the fucking nuts.

Up your game devs.
Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: MURDERTRON on September 22, 2015, 02:50:29 pm
That's what happens when debs arbitrarily decide to go you 3x gold.
Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: Panos_ on September 22, 2015, 02:53:09 pm
Quote from: MURDERTRON on September 22, 2015, 02:50:29 pm
That's what happens when debs arbitrarily decide to go you 3x gold.

What pisses me the most is that more and more people enjoy more jewing at the market, rather than playing the game.

Such a shame, indeed.

I remember a time when the community would bash and shame all those market scammers, rather join them.
Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: BlackxBird on September 22, 2015, 02:54:54 pm
I was one like a year ago. Did continuously trades where I did like 20-50 k +, but then I was like yolo I got 25 +3s now. I respeced like 5 items already just cuz I fucking wanted to have another one as fucking fast as possible.
Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: Macropus on September 22, 2015, 02:55:10 pm
Marketplace is bad, but I disagree with Panos. It is bad because people don't use it actively (partly because there are less fewer players around.

I'm here just to reiterate my old point which is: bad offers is better than no offers.
Accepting market trades is an option, not an obligatory, and having an extra option just can't be bad.
Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: Vovka on September 22, 2015, 03:30:31 pm
wipe all loomz! and moneyz!
Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on September 22, 2015, 03:38:16 pm
marketplace is bad because gold has no value anymore with x3 gold. It has become impossible to lose gold so everyone has his gold increasing and what you gain from marketplace is ridiculous compared to a few hours of playing.

Calradia has become a banana republic with crazy inflation that no african dictatorship could ever dream of. Even the IMF would consider it a bit too high. Start printing your 1000k billets!!
Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: Latvian on September 22, 2015, 03:59:09 pm
selling lp 900k
Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: Grumbs on September 22, 2015, 03:59:40 pm
The main problem is the playerbase is so small that there is no room for healthy competition + the actions required to obtain a loom point are prohibitive for most of the playerbase (except for spending monies). If someone puts up a price of 1million for a loompoint and it sells then GG good for him, demand is higher than supply and whoever buys for 1 million felt it was worth the cost. There are things to to do to improve it though, like increasing supply by making it easier to create a loompoint. The only way to get loompoints is to retire, and there are too many downsides to retiring atm such as:

Game is mechanically harder than it used to be pre-destiny patch, so you need a high level character to compete. More lethal, faster, spammier, less forgiving
Free respecs every week make retiring obsolete for people who just want to play different builds
People already have plenty of looms, they just want stuff for the sake of it. So going through the retirement process is pretty unlikely for most players
Edit forgot a big one, lvl 35 STF's - why go through leveling to 35 just for 1 loompoint when you can skip it all AND make more money since you can roll x5 better

I don't think loompoints should be the goal with retiring though, there should be a different form of reward. Like you just straight get a +3 item of your choice when you retire. I'd like to see a more barter based economy too, with people making straight trades rather than +3 + gold for a +3. That to me is obnoxious and money grubbing. The people who can be bothered to do those dodgy deals already have plenty of money, its just greed

Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: Pandemona on September 22, 2015, 04:00:09 pm
Quote from: Pandemona on August 03, 2015, 12:08:37 pm
I think the best and most simple solution to this would be making ''Reforge'' option give us 3 loompoints instead of 2 per item. We have definetly lesser players playing this mod than used to and it effects marketplace aswell.

Marketplace is in pretty bad condition at the moment there aren't much items/sellers and when you are trying to find an item you need, most of the times you either can't find it or find offers cost you more than they actually worth. It's quite hard to find a fair offer in the marketplace. I'm not telling this towards anyone, this has been an issue for very long time in my opinion.

Changing ''Reforge'' option to give us 3 loompoints instead of 2 will give all of us chance to try different builds and different weapons more easily if people think 3 loompoints are too much let's make that option cost 100k gold or something like that. This might also cause more loompoints going around in the market and might even lower the loompoint prices, but i am not sure about the last thing.


My post in similar thread and i am still of the same mind.
Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: Bronto on September 22, 2015, 04:04:50 pm
In a similar thread I too posted to allow the reforge option at all loom levels for exactly what you put in. +1 item you hate, reforge it for a loom point. Hey you just spent 2 gens on gloves that you don't think look swag enough for your badass character, reforge them for 2 loom points. You wasted three gens heirlooming your horse and now you hate cav, reforge it for 3 loom points. It's not rocket science but maybe make it allowable like once per week, same as free respec.

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Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: Novamere on September 22, 2015, 04:11:14 pm
Last i heard they were trying to implement something where you can buy a LP anytime for 300k or 400k but this was months ago so idk, Coding something like that to the website would not be too hard but would need the chadz/CMP stamp which is hard to get.
Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: McKli_PL on September 22, 2015, 08:39:53 pm
Option F:) God i agree with Panos :lol: :lol: yeah its all true! got question for admins it's possible to hardcap loompoints for price eg 500k on market and everyone can just buy it?
Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: Admerius on September 22, 2015, 10:44:21 pm
Suggestions:

1. Temporary compromise solution(temporary as: hot fix before dec 2010 patch)
Remove the ability to sell trade Loompoints away(aka. offer)!
OBS! Buy orders(aka. requests) for loompoints must remain!

2.0. REad this carefully: By loompoints I mean: any loomed gear or loompoint on ALL characters on that account
For example: +3 item counts as 3 loompoints.
Which means:
+3 weapon=3
+3 weapon and shield=6
Fully loomed 2h/polearm hero(6 +3 items)=18
Fully loomed lance cav with 2 sidearms(9 +3 items)=27

2.a. Introduce Loomtax!
Multiply gold earned by 0,99 for each loompoint on that account

Which means:
Code: [Select]
Loompoints
total                         tick value at x1
1 149
3 146
6 141
18 125
21 121
27 114
30 111
60 82
100 55


2.b Market fee based on amounts of looms on account
This fee is added on all types of market transactions/auctions etc.
Code: [Select]
Loompoints total Market fee
1 10
3 90
6 360
18 3240
21 4410
27 7290
30 9000
60 36000
100 100000


3. Go full mcintosh!
Collectivize all loom points in "Proletariat Armoury" and the lowest level character that wants one gets the item for 72 hours, any player which is lower level than anyone else who wants it will automatically get it and the higher level char that had it will lose it.
Of course we need a bureaucracy for this and they should be rewarded for their selfless act of administrating this by being counted as level 0(they should always get any loomed item Regardless of the level of who is using it currently.)
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Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: Dupre on September 22, 2015, 11:22:54 pm
Going back to x1 or x2 on gold multiplier. Also raising the repair cost to some heavy armor and weapons. There will also be more tournaments where players can win multiple lps including DTV, possibly siege, and a donkey race  :mrgreen:.

This should lower some of the market prices on lps...

Also flash sales...
Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: POOPHAMMER on September 23, 2015, 12:37:21 am
Quote from: Dupre on September 22, 2015, 11:22:54 pm
Going back to x1 or x2 on gold multiplier. Also raising the repair cost to some heavy armor and weapons. There will also be more tournaments where players can win multiple lps including DTV, possibly siege, and a donkey race  :mrgreen:.

This should lower some of the market prices on lps...

Also flash sales...

I can only see this doing more bad than good at this point. There is more hoarded gold going on right now that if this were to happen it would put people at a ridiculous advantage. Think about what Panos is really saying in his OP. Gold gains were increases 3x, LPs at the time were around 400k and currently 1 mil. That is less than a 3x increase going by old standards compared to now. Think about it, if you did this all you owuld be doing is giving people that played hours on end and accumulated a shit ton of gold a higher edge than people that do not play as much. The damage of increasing gold gains is already done, reverting it would only further damage the economy. This would be a terrible move.
Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: POOPHAMMER on September 23, 2015, 12:49:08 am
Further extending on my previous point, I think people are just in shock of LPs going for 1 mil currently. 1 mil gold loom points would be an issue if we still made 50 gold on x1, but when you increase the gold you gain, do you honestly expect prices to stay the same? Giving out prizes for tournaments, while reducing the gold gain back to original values would be awful. If you want things to get better, keep gold gains as they are now because that is what prices are based on now. People just are not used to this change yet. Give the prizes, do the tourneys. LPs as prizes will introduce more into the economy and encourage price cutting, which would benefit those who do not have the time/desire to participate in said events. Decreasing gold gains while giving out prizes like that would just give people more of an edge.

Balance changes should not be knee jerk like this. Let it play out, it is basically the same economy but seems like it is more because people are still stuck in the mindset of the old economy. Things have changed and people just need to adjust.
Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: Moncho on September 23, 2015, 01:03:32 am
Needs a poll option about the british and their dead pig fucking
Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: Panos_ on September 23, 2015, 08:10:50 am
Quote from: Moncho on September 23, 2015, 01:03:32 am
Needs a poll option about the british and their dead pig fucking

Done, please revote again!
Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: Admerius on September 23, 2015, 04:20:06 pm
Subject for potential sociology study:
Non-establishment option(newest) gets the most votes?
Is this because of human nature? exotic=good, nice genetic diversity that's worth the risk!
or...
Is it the patriarchal, hetro, male, middleageist, ableist -normative culture that has imprinted: New is good, which clearly is oppressive towards the oppressed victims:
non-white, non-middleage and/or disabled women(and A FEW sensible men).
Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: Finse on September 23, 2015, 04:54:30 pm

The market twat 101

Easy to see who they are, they offer pennies for items, and request loads for shit

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Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: Sagar on September 23, 2015, 05:08:35 pm
How about that we can always have LP on market for 300K (from dev side). How hard is that to implement?
So if someone want to sell his own LP, it will go under 300K.

24 hour heirloom point sale (3LP for 600K) from Dupre is good thing, but if you want some +3 item you have to wait for next LP sale (sometimes over 1 month).
Or you can buy 3LP for 3.6 mil  :shock:
Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: Dolphin on September 24, 2015, 10:09:27 am
Quote from: Finse on September 23, 2015, 04:54:30 pm
The market twat 101

Easy to see who they are, they offer pennies for items, and request loads for shit

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Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: Trikipum on September 25, 2015, 06:25:35 am
Quote from: Panos_the_Bear on September 22, 2015, 02:35:56 pm
Ok, I think that we need, more than ever, Loompoints to be auctioned by the system or sold like normal items.

Marketplace is full of greedy cunts who want to have it all, making retarded trades.

I remember that loompoints used to cost 380k, not a fucking million.

We need to take the power back, and kick the Poopscammers wannabes in the fucking nuts.

Up your game devs.
Im with you in that those guys are (and always been) the cancer of CRPG. On the other hand, a super pro capitalist like you shouldnt have troubles with these things since "the market is free and regulates itself". Right?. Panos, choose  a side. :). Some coherence panos. I think you should direct your inquiries to Angela Merkel. She might help you in this.
Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: Turkhammer on September 25, 2015, 10:47:30 pm
Quote from: Panos_the_Bear on September 22, 2015, 02:35:56 pm
Ok, I think that we need, more than ever, Loompoints to be auctioned by the system or sold like normal items.

Marketplace is full of greedy cunts who want to have it all, making retarded trades.

I remember that loompoints used to cost 380k, not a fucking million.

We need to take the power back, and kick the Poopscammers wannabes in the fucking nuts.

Up your game devs.
So just stop buying loom points.  That's how markets work. The market is not retarded, the buyers are retarded.
Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: Zeltino on September 26, 2015, 10:08:43 am
Quote from: Dupre on September 22, 2015, 11:22:54 pm
Also flash sales...

Yeah so only the people that use the forum on a regular basis get some lps for a low price. Seems a little unfair to me.
Title: Re: Marketplace, enough is enough.
Post by: POOPHAMMER on September 27, 2015, 08:21:41 pm
Quote from: Zeltino on September 26, 2015, 10:08:43 am
Yeah so only the people that use the forum on a regular basis get some lps for a low price. Seems a little unfair to me.

I do my best on EU/NA servers to spread the word about this. I even use pink admin text to promote it so people do not miss it, because I know not everyone uses the forums.