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Title: American elections 2016
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 10, 2015, 12:24:02 am
Discuss.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Lt_Anders on June 10, 2015, 12:25:26 am
Discuss.

MUFASA.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Asheram on June 10, 2015, 12:37:58 am
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Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: LordBerenger on June 10, 2015, 01:08:47 am
Where's Bernie Sanders fgt?
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Jona on June 10, 2015, 01:23:24 am
How could you forget Vermin?
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Casul on June 10, 2015, 01:37:21 am
Personally I hope Hillary will do it.    That would be hilarious.

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Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 10, 2015, 02:07:18 am
Personally I hope Hillary will do it.    That would be hilarious.

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How is that hilarious, unless you are not from america? Hillary clinton would make Obama look like a saint.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Admerius on June 10, 2015, 02:10:23 am
Hah! It would be hillary-US indeed!

Just made me think of what happened recently:
Someone had on my dad's car Biden,
He asked me: "Where's my Carson?"
I had accidentally crashed it into a Bush.

My vote would go to: Bernie Sanders!
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That way Glenn back might be allowed back in to fox news proper, and we will have comedy gold to look forward to:
"Bernie got 5%! These half-alien half demon communists are trying to conquer us before judgement day!"

Expected results: Hillary 53% of the "votes".
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Casul on June 10, 2015, 02:18:32 am
How is that hilarious, unless you are not from america? Hillary clinton would make Obama look like a saint.

Personally, as far as I could follow the incidents from 2008-now, I think Obama had very very good rudiments.
For me it looks like he couldnt do a shit  bcause he is somehow, does not really matter in which way,  tributary to some ppl "above" him.

It really feels like he does some decisicions because ppl around him push him to it, I actually dont have enough proof for this.


What I want to say: For me, both are/would be very good presidents overall, just the presence (first black president/woman) makes the world a bit better somehow, even though they cant really change much, sadly.


I agree, she made some weird statements so far, but I think the world needs a world #1 woman, again, after Kleopatra.
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Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 10, 2015, 02:42:06 am
Personally, as far as I could follow the incidents from 2008-now, I think Obama had very very good rudiments.
For me it looks like he couldnt do a shit  bcause he is somehow, does not really matter in which way,  tributary to some ppl "above" him.

It really feels like he does some decisicions because ppl around him push him to it, I actually dont have enough proof for this.


What I want to say: For me, both are/would be very good presidents overall, just the presence (first black president/woman) makes the world a bit better somehow, even though they cant really change much, sadly.


I agree, she made some weird statements so far, but I think the world needs a world #1 woman, again, after Kleopatra.
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So you would vote for somebody who can't run a pantry, just because she is a woman? This is what confuses me about Hillary voters.  :lol:
And although I believe Obama is (the) worst President of the United states up to now, I do agree with you that some people and polotics have really pushed him around. ...
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on June 10, 2015, 02:53:01 am
Doom_Carrot is stepping into this forum with a great deal boldness, hehe.
 
GUYS! GU-U-UYSS! We have a religiously-political radical here! This thread can be a pure gold in no time!
 
Where is everyone?..

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Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 10, 2015, 03:39:33 am
Doom_Carrot is stepping into this forum with a great deal boldness, hehe.
 
GUYS! GU-U-UYSS! We have a religiously-political radical here! This thread can be a pure gold in no time!
 
Where is everyone?..

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upvote for calling me bold  :)

But I'm not a political religious radical, I'm just bored out of my mind today  :rolleyes:

And don't try trolling me. I'll detect it.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Artyem on June 10, 2015, 03:52:27 am
Bernie Sanders
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Voncrow on June 10, 2015, 04:09:01 am
Fools, we need to reinstate the bush Dynasty! A dynasty that will stand the test of time.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Clockworkkiller on June 10, 2015, 04:12:31 am
Rand Paul
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 10, 2015, 04:13:09 am
Bernie Sanders

I respect that
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Talanarsis on June 10, 2015, 04:28:27 am
Ted Cruz
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 10, 2015, 04:42:50 am
Fools, we need to reinstate the bush Dynasty! A dynasty that will stand the test of time.

Lol, why can't they have a badass last name... The BUSH dynasty just..... Doesn't sound right  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Xant on June 10, 2015, 05:46:41 am
Who's most likely to start another war?
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 10, 2015, 06:23:07 am
Who's most likely to start another war?

Well, Hillary clinton already almost started one, Jeb bush will probably outright invade Iraq... Don't know about the others?...
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Xant on June 10, 2015, 06:40:53 am
Great stuff, then, I hope one of those gets elected.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Tibe on June 10, 2015, 06:52:27 am
So you would vote for somebody who can't run a pantry, just because she is a woman? This is what confuses me about Hillary voters.  :lol:
And although I believe Obama is (the) worst President of the United states up to now, I do agree with you that some people and polotics have really pushed him around. ...

I dunno. I find Obamacare to be a nice attempt at something thats one of your countries biggest flaws. Your current healthcaresystem is basically the worst in the developed world and forces most muricans to run to other countries for help incase they get ill and they dont feel like being in dept for the rest of their lives.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Admerius on June 10, 2015, 02:07:01 pm
Who's most likely to start another war?

Are you...
A. ...a bloodthirsty, warmongering hater of everything that's not  part or supportive of the western world?
B. ...inconsistent world police supporter, bravely willing to face up against the hordes of barbarians that tries to abolish the enlightenment values, in the process of doing so the western world cpmpromises away all we fight for(strong middle class, our freedoms etc.)
C. ...Xant?
aka. having a logically consistent well put argument that arrives at a politically incorrect conclusion.
Oh and I forgot: clearly stating premises/sources isn't worth the time because everyone(97% rounded up to 100%) don't know how to argue in a technically correct way, so I'll just use the soundness and consistency of my arguments demolish their counter arguments.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Vovka on June 10, 2015, 02:08:50 pm
PUTIN!
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Xant on June 10, 2015, 02:16:56 pm
C. ...Xant?
aka. having a logically consistent well put argument that arrives at a politically incorrect conclusion.
Oh and I forgot: clearly stating premises/sources isn't worth the time because everyone(97% rounded up to 100%) don't know how to argue in a technically correct way, so I'll just use the soundness and consistency of my arguments demolish their counter arguments.
Yes.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Prpavi on June 10, 2015, 02:47:20 pm
I'd vote for the one with strongest christan values.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Vovka on June 10, 2015, 03:39:17 pm
I'd vote for the one with strongest christan values.
putin!
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 10, 2015, 03:40:53 pm
I'd vote for the one with strongest christan values.

Don't quote me on this, but I BELIEVE that would be either Mike Huckabee or Rick Santorum.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: DonNicko on June 10, 2015, 03:44:37 pm
I'd vote for the one with strongest christan values.
No gays and no wars, I think impossible for USA
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: mcdeath on June 10, 2015, 06:50:26 pm
Y'all motha fuckas fogettin bout Waka Flocka. dont sleep on him fam #AHHHHHH #JUICE

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Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Xant on June 10, 2015, 07:04:51 pm
No gays and no wars, I think impossible for USA
Said by a Russian  :lol:
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Kafein on June 10, 2015, 07:08:35 pm
Reinstate progressive taxation.

That is so much not going to happen no matter the winner.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Siiem on June 10, 2015, 07:09:19 pm
Said by a Russian  :lol:

To be fair, few wars lately, and if you discount DonNicko, almost no gays.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Xant on June 10, 2015, 07:09:21 pm
Reinstate progressive taxation.

That is so much not going to happen no matter the winner.
Instate land value tax, the only sensible taxation system.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 10, 2015, 07:14:28 pm
Y'all motha fuckas fogettin bout Waka Flocka. dont sleep on him fam #AHHHHHH #JUICE

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Oh God, you sound like my girlfriend... No vaccines, even if your going to the FREAKIN amazon.... Please don't do this. You'll end up with typhoid.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Utrakil on June 10, 2015, 07:33:05 pm
I don't believe it should be a mandatory thing for people to be forced to have poison injected into them.
Ohh so much ignorance. Go get your science right and before posting dangerous bullshit like this.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Kafein on June 10, 2015, 07:38:02 pm
Instate land value tax, the only sensible taxation system.

Land value is nothing compared to financial assets. There's little point taxing only real estate if the intent is reducing inequality.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Xant on June 10, 2015, 07:47:09 pm
Land value is nothing compared to financial assets. There's little point taxing only real estate if the intent is reducing inequality.
https://www.facebook.com/yudkowsky/posts/10152873248924228
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Admerius on June 10, 2015, 08:10:06 pm
https://www.facebook.com/yudkowsky/posts/10152873248924228

Interesting indeed.
But we still need some kind of fee(taxation) for public utilities, defense spending, social safety net.

This actually made me question the assumption: "Generalized tax rates as a fraction of total profit/assets is a good idea"
After reading this I realized... I was too complacent with what I thought was best that I stopped keeping my eyes and mind open for something that possibly is better.

The info is still fresh so I'll get back to you after some proper analysis and if I have any criticism of this model.

Anyways, we still need some sort of fee or tax rate depending on how much you own. For example: Taxes based on your property (based on size, not value) that goes to the fire departments, Fees for your cars based on weight and mileage left on average for that model(not car value!) that goes to road maintenance etc. etc. etc.

Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: mcdeath on June 10, 2015, 08:17:27 pm
Oh God, you sound like my girlfriend... No vaccines, even if your going to the FREAKIN amazon.... Please don't do this. You'll end up with typhoid.  :rolleyes:

I have nothing against vaccines, I just don't want them. If I was ever planning on going somewhere that would give me a sickness or disease I would probably take a vaccination. The odds on me going somewhere where I could get a disease or sickness that isn't easily treatable is very unlikely though.

Long story short, I just don't want vaccines to be mandatory.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Siiem on June 10, 2015, 08:19:12 pm
I have nothing against vaccines, I just don't want them. If I was ever planning on going somewhere that would give me a sickness or disease I would probably take a vaccination. The odds on me going somewhere where I could get a disease or sickness that isn't easily treatable is very unlikely though.

Long story short, I just don't want vaccines to be mandatory.

Somebody could come from a country to yours with the aforementioned disease, now you're fucked.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Admerius on June 10, 2015, 08:32:47 pm
This line of reasoning only applies if the vaccination is free, otherwise the state can go fuck itself for providing their donors(medical companies) with revenue through legislation!

The unwillingness to take vaccines should be illegal(misdemeanor status).

It is comparable to
"Why should I have breaks in my car? I know how to drive!
Besides, what if the breaks locks up? I don't want no breaks in my car!
You also need to pay to change and/or maintain your breaks, being forced to have breaks is tyranny!
Leave me alone and let me be free!"

The case can be made that it is a form of treason due to the potential public hazard.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: mcdeath on June 10, 2015, 08:35:53 pm
Somebody could come from a country to yours with the aforementioned disease, now you're fucked.

I survived Ebola and swine flu bra

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This whole argument is entirely ignorant and does not even compare to what I am saying
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 10, 2015, 08:37:27 pm
I have nothing against vaccines, I just don't want them. If I was ever planning on going somewhere that would give me a sickness or disease I would probably take a vaccination. The odds on me going somewhere where I could get a disease or sickness that isn't easily treatable is very unlikely though.

Long story short, I just don't want vaccines to be mandatory.

I respect not wanting to inject things into you, but don't be complaining when the doctors say you have tb and they give you 4 months to live just because you didn't get a little needle stuck in your arm.

For the last thousands of years, people would have done anything to get their hands on the type of medicine we have today. Don't take it for granted.  :wink:

EDIT: yeah yeah I know tb won't kill in 4 months its not medically correct but whatever
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Siiem on June 10, 2015, 08:40:36 pm
I survived Ebola and swine flu bra

This whole argument is entirely ignorant and does not even compare to what I am saying

Dafuq. Afaik there has never been one for Ebola. And swineflu is for like elders and dehydrated, mexicants. You basically bragged about something comparable to walking.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: mcdeath on June 10, 2015, 08:43:34 pm
Dafuq. Afaik there has never been one for Ebola. And swineflu is for like elders and dehydrated, mexicants. You basically bragged about something comparable to walking.

Don't take this away from me.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 10, 2015, 08:44:45 pm
Dafuq. Afaik there has never been one for Ebola. And swineflu is for like elders and dehydrated, mexicants. You basically bragged about something comparable to walking.

Let him have his moment  :lol:
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Xant on June 10, 2015, 08:46:15 pm
Interesting indeed.
But we still need some kind of fee(taxation) for public utilities, defense spending, social safety net.

This actually made me question the assumption: "Generalized tax rates as a fraction of total profit/assets is a good idea"
After reading this I realized... I was too complacent with what I thought was best that I stopped keeping my eyes and mind open for something that possibly is better.

The info is still fresh so I'll get back to you after some proper analysis and if I have any criticism of this model.

Anyways, we still need some sort of fee or tax rate depending on how much you own. For example: Taxes based on your property (based on size, not value) that goes to the fire departments, Fees for your cars based on weight and mileage left on average for that model(not car value!) that goes to road maintenance etc. etc. etc.
Did you read the comment section as well? If not, I recommend doing so, since there's criticism and counter-arguments to those criticisms there.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Admerius on June 10, 2015, 09:31:27 pm
I will do that later, I still need to form my own proper opinion on it first.
I really don't like to rush it though, I'll let the first read and re-read sink in first then establish my own reservations properly. It's no light subject for  someone like me that doesn't have any formal education in this field, and I really don't like the risk of being "seduced" in to agreeing with eloquent "nay"or "yay" sayers just after reading it for the first time.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Tibe on June 10, 2015, 09:41:57 pm
Land value is nothing compared to financial assets. There's little point taxing only real estate if the intent is reducing inequality.

Reducing inequality will never happen in USA. Americans are scared shitless of anything too socialistic for some reason and thats why a lot of people there will forever be stuck in the circle of poverty. As far as I can tell, the anti-socialistic propaganda has done its job rather well there. Anyone even remotely mentioning the word will be stamped as a commie.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Admerius on June 10, 2015, 10:00:28 pm
I have nothing against vaccines, I just don't want them. If I was ever planning on going somewhere that would give me a sickness or disease I would probably take a vaccination. The odds on me going somewhere where I could get a disease or sickness that isn't easily treatable is very unlikely though.

Long story short, I just don't want vaccines to be mandatory.

This whole argument is entirely ignorant and does not even compare to what I am saying

Do you breath when visiting any public area?
Does your skin touch anything when in a public area?
Do you visit any public area when you have a fresh wound(it doesn't even have to bleed, just a gash in the skin)?

ANY public area is a potentially dangerous place, especially airports, train stations bu stop etc. with international(foreign) destinations.
Your statement "I just don't want them" rubbed me the wrong way and I overreacted, I know that, and you are correct there.

BUT it sounded(read?) like a casual dismissal of all the risks, which is the worst kind when it comes to global risks such as these.

Your stance is sensible if you do not frequent public areas in a large city(which I probably wrongly assumed).

I just wonder one thing: If there is a real risk(several independet experts) for a pandemic outbreak, would you take the vaccine if it was voluntary AND free of charge?

With this clarification in mind: my statement was not entirely ignorant and compares, at worst, remotely.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: [ptx] on June 10, 2015, 10:05:50 pm
Vaccines cause autism, see this forum for proof.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Kafein on June 10, 2015, 11:11:14 pm
https://www.facebook.com/yudkowsky/posts/10152873248924228

He makes a good point if you completely forget about patrimonial inequality, which in the real world is a real problem and what I was talking about to begin with. Taxes in most developed countries today effectively work like that: you only pay tax on what you effectively consume, hence top fortunes are sometimes taxed at less than 0.01% of their economic revenue, because their fiscal revenue is tiny in comparison. Lord Droon has much more power than he should. Due to all these parchments he can influence the King. And he could also quit his job entirely as his parchments can very well support his lifestyle at this point, transforming him into dead weight for society.

Besides, real estate these days is about as virtual as financial assets so I don't see the point to make such a distinction.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Jona on June 10, 2015, 11:58:52 pm
Dafuq. Afaik there has never been one for Ebola. And swineflu is for like elders and dehydrated, mexicants. You basically bragged about something comparable to walking.

Guys, guys... McDeath's basement is protected by one of those nifty air filter fans. It is one thousand percent guaranteed to filter out all microbes, dust, and bacteria, and will deploy high-intensity 100kW lasers to obliterate any detected viruses floating around the area. So long as he never leaves his basement, he has nothing to fear. Rumor has it that he can't even catch autism in his basement (but based on some posts of his, this is questionable)!

https://www.facebook.com/yudkowsky/posts/10152873248924228

One of my professors had proposed a "luxury-based tax" somewhat similar to this. However instead of necessarily taxing property, which can be regarded as a good thing (after all, people do kinda need a roof over their head, and means of transportation if there is no publicly available options), he suggested taxing humans' "bad habits." For instance you should get taxed on your garbage disposal, car emissions, power consumption, etc. This would drive people to purchase fully electric/hybrid cars to avoid gas taxes, or solar panels/wind mills to avoid electricity taxes (which come from dirty coal-burning power plants), and also recycle more. The aim here is obviously to help put an end to humans poisoning the earth and all environmentally friendly stuff. Of course you can also tax things like alcohol, cigarettes (even more than the current rate), and the stereotypical rich-guy luxuries like the previously mentioned yachts or fancy sports cars and such. Obviously this may not be the most sustainable source of income for a government, seeing how if everyone suddenly adopted these new technologies and ceased buying luxury items (as unlikely as that scenario is), there would be little money left for the government to take out of your pocket.

I still want an answer to this.

Yes please.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 11, 2015, 03:39:12 am
I still want an answer to this.

Obamacare? Lol, among other reasons. I imagine a quick google search or a quick flip through the channels to a not-100%-liberal agenda news station would answer this question.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: mcdeath on June 11, 2015, 03:48:32 am
Obama is part of a reptilian race of creatures that have been living underground for millions of years. Pretty soon the entire race of lizard people will awaken and take over the world.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 11, 2015, 03:53:03 am
Obama is part of a reptilian race of creatures that have been living underground for millions of years. Pretty soon the entire race of lizard people will awaken and take over the world.

Yeah thats obviously the main reason.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: mcdeath on June 11, 2015, 04:19:20 am
That wasn't what I was asking for and you know that.

What makes Obama the worst president in US history?

isn't it obvious? He's black! Duh!
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Artyem on June 11, 2015, 05:43:18 am
That wasn't what I was asking for and you know that.

What makes Obama the worst president in US history?

You called him on it in your first post dude, he's a friend muslim, which is clearly why he's the worst President of all time.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: mcdeath on June 11, 2015, 05:48:45 am
You called him on it in your first post dude, he's a friend muslim, which is clearly why he's the worst President of all time.

Aren't you the head admin of Na? You can't talk like that!
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: BlindGuy on June 11, 2015, 06:07:18 am
Personally, as far as I could follow the incidents from 2008-now, I think Obama had very very good rudiments.
For me it looks like he couldnt do a shit  bcause he is somehow, does not really matter in which way,  tributary to some ppl "above" him.

It really feels like he does some decisicions because ppl around him push him to it, I actually dont have enough proof for this.


What I want to say: For me, both are/would be very good presidents overall, just the presence (first black president/woman) makes the world a bit better somehow, even though they cant really change much, sadly.


I agree, she made some weird statements so far, but I think the world needs a world #1 woman, again, after Kleopatra.
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1/ Cleo wasn't especially good looking, but since she was a sociopathic ruler noone argued when she said she was good looking. Anyway, thats besides the point.

You wrote 'ppl "above" him' and I like that you have seen that, so hard to explain to people that democracy as they think it exists cannot ever exist. Lets make an analogy:

You need a surgery, on your heart, so your life can continue, do you:

1/ Get someone who has trained for years for this, has lots of successful experience in heart surgery and is payed simply to save peoples lives... OR

2/ you hold auditions and select someone to operate on your heart based on the fact that they have been a janitor or a nurse for years and really really wants to try their ideas about heart surgery on a live patient? They will then operate on you for a few minutes, then you are gonna hold another audition for hospital personnel who want to be surgeons, and let

You pick 1, right? Get a proffesional who works at it fulltime, has been trained to do and has a lot of experience.

Same with running a country. If you want it to WORK you have professionals run it all the time.

The idea that voting, or who gets elected, will make any difference to who runs it and how your country is run is farcical at best, downright lunacy at worst.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: DonNicko on June 11, 2015, 07:18:52 am
Said by a Russian  :lol:
Xant you are so Xant, that was about christian values. Stop being russophob
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Admerius on June 11, 2015, 10:38:31 am
1/ Cleo wasn't especially good looking, but since she was a sociopathic ruler noone argued when she said she was good looking. Anyway, thats besides the point.

You wrote 'ppl "above" him' and I like that you have seen that, so hard to explain to people that democracy as they think it exists cannot ever exist. Lets make an analogy:

You need a surgery, on your heart, so your life can continue, do you:

1/ Get someone who has trained for years for this, has lots of successful experience in heart surgery and is payed simply to save peoples lives... OR

2/ you hold auditions and select someone to operate on your heart based on... the fact that they have been a janitor or a nurse for years and really really wants to try their ideas about heart surgery on a live patient? They will then operate on you for a few minutes, then you are gonna hold another audition for hospital personnel who want to be surgeons, and let

You pick 1, right? Get a proffesional who works at it fulltime, has been trained to do and has a lot of experience.

Same with running a country. If you want it to WORK you have professionals run it all the time.

The idea that voting, or who gets elected, will make any difference to who runs it and how your country is run is farcical at best, downright lunacy at worst.

You forgot option 3.

3/ You do not elect one alone, the whole community participates in electing a heart surgeon based on the candidate's "expertise"

By Expertise I mean:
-They must seem more moral than their competitor
-They need to have the flashiest and most frequent ads
-They must appear to never ever have done anything wrong that the "average joe" can't identify with
-They must argue with passion why they are the best heart surgeon(maybe even use "facts" if necessary)
-In some cases facts are used to argue why just he(or she) should become a heart surgeon. However this must be kept to a minimum since seeming "too brainy" turns too many voters away.
-They must also get funding through donations, which means they argue for a type of heart surgery that requires a lot of treatment after the operation(drugs and other services) or they can't afford the ads(point 2) etc.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Tibe on June 11, 2015, 12:04:06 pm
Xant you are so Xant, that was about christian values. Stop being russophob

Yeah Xant. Dont you know russians are kind and highly cultured people. And if USA didnt always sabotage Russias friendships with Europe, they could be friends and live in harmony forever. If USA didnt exsist, Russia would be rich and peacefully friends with the whole world. No war. Ever.  :lol:

Nickö pls....you dont actually believe that do you? Russia aint no teddy bear. Its a gigantic actual bear that likes to eat people. Without NATO, your stupid country would be in war with entire East-Europe by now. Russia wants to war, mybe even more than USA, it just cant do it, without being sneaky.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: DonNicko on June 11, 2015, 12:19:32 pm
Yeah Xant. Dont you know russians are kind and highly cultured people. And if USA didnt always sabotage Russias friendships with Europe, they could be friends and live in harmony forever. If USA didnt exsist, Russia would be rich and peacefully friends with the whole world. No war. Ever.  :lol:

Nickö pls....you dont actually believe that do you? Russia aint no teddy bear. Its a gigantic actual bear that likes to eat people. Without NATO, your stupid country would be in war with entire East-Europe by now. Russia wants to war, mybe even more than USA, it just cant do it, without being sneaky.
Tibe fuck stop being so stupid, I was talking about christian values, read carefully what I was talking about, becuase you sound like a stupid blind sheep.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Xant on June 11, 2015, 12:37:26 pm
Well, I don't think a stupid blind sheep would actually sound any different than a normal healthy one. Stupidity or blindness shouldn't interfere with the function of the sheep's throat.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Paul on June 11, 2015, 12:43:59 pm
Go to the Ukraine thread for that. This one here is about why vaccines are bad.

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Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: DonNicko on June 11, 2015, 12:44:48 pm
Well, I don't think a stupid blind sheep would actually sound any different than a normal healthy one. Stupidity or blindness shouldn't interfere with the function of the sheep's throat.
Special for you
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: ecorcheur_brokar on June 11, 2015, 01:07:01 pm
https://www.facebook.com/yudkowsky/posts/10152873248924228
I don't have time to read it right now, but I remember that in the 10% richest people in France and USA, the richer they are the fewer actual property (land) they have. In fact the top 1% have almost all their capital placed on financial products.

Anyway, I don't think the american gouvernement will do anything against inequality in the next decades. The system is so corrupted by lobbies and money for campain, no politician has interest in working against the richest of the country.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Xant on June 11, 2015, 01:29:38 pm
I don't have time to read it right now, but I remember that in the 10% richest people in France and USA, the richer they are the fewer actual property (land) they have. In fact the top 1% have almost all their capital placed on financial products.

Anyway, I don't think the american gouvernement will do anything against inequality in the next decades. The system is so corrupted by lobbies and money for campain, no politician has interest in working against the richest of the country.
I can see you didn't read it. I'm not sure why you're commenting on it, that being the case.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Sharpe on June 11, 2015, 02:11:53 pm
That wasn't what I was asking for and you know that.

What makes Obama the worst president in US history?

As many people in my small Pa town might say, he created Obamacare and he is a socialist pig.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Tagora on June 12, 2015, 02:34:29 am
Clearly Bernie Sanders is the only worthy candidate.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Sharpe on June 12, 2015, 04:28:16 am
You know, Sharpe,  I might go to school out that way next year.

I know I'm going to Wilkes-Barre for school next year, its "close".
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Clockworkkiller on June 12, 2015, 04:31:59 am
No love for Rand Paul?
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Tagora on June 12, 2015, 04:47:25 am
No love for Rand Paul?

It's admirable what he's doing to prevent the Freedom Act from passing but other then that, his ideology is frightening, and he represents some very silly people with silly opinions. 
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: mcdeath on June 12, 2015, 07:13:34 am
Clearly Bernie Sanders is the only worthy candidate.

It's admirable what he's doing to prevent the Freedom Act from passing but other then that, his ideology is frightening, and he represents some very silly people with silly opinions. 

w0w fugs u tegura.... i cun't belieb u sey sumtin lyk dat... r wii evan frans???
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 12, 2015, 04:39:28 pm
It's admirable what he's doing to prevent the Freedom Act from passing but other then that, his ideology is frightening, and he represents some very silly people with silly opinions.

Like keeping immigrants from turning this country into Mexico?   :lol:
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: mcdeath on June 12, 2015, 05:15:04 pm
I honestly can't tell if you're retarded or a troll.

Can't he be both?
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: mcdeath on June 12, 2015, 05:41:02 pm
No no, my friend, the The Sliding Scale of Troll-Retard doesn't allow it.

The more believable of a troll, typically the less retarded you are.

Likewise the more obvious you are, the more retarded you are.

I will draw you a graph later.

I feel like I'm right in the middle. An outlier if you will.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 12, 2015, 06:00:16 pm
I honestly can't tell if you're retarded or a troll.

Lol, am I or am I not. Three guesses-oh wait.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: mcdeath on June 13, 2015, 12:19:59 am
Three things
1. I can't believe you actually drew a graph.
2. Kesh is definitely more retarded then where you put him
3. I am nowhere near that retarded
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Clockworkkiller on June 13, 2015, 12:37:21 am
i am ze expert trole

Master trole 2015
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: mcdeath on June 13, 2015, 12:44:35 am
i am ze expert trole

Master trole 2015

I'm like 110% certain that furries are retarded. Therefore you can't be a troll as explained by Havelle and his graph.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Tagora on June 13, 2015, 01:53:04 am
American Apathy 2016
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 13, 2015, 03:06:26 am
i am ze expert trole

Master trole 2015

Dude no way-there's a better troll who hasn't even been called out on it yet and can cause forum shitstorms.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: [ptx] on June 13, 2015, 06:10:31 am
The last thing we need is another lombardsoup...
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Kalam on June 13, 2015, 07:55:50 am
I care about American elections. There is a possibility that votes will effect a change in policy that will align with some of your preferences. Like the proverbial Djinn in a bottle, you won't get exactly what you wish for, but it's something, right? There is a remote (you're more likely to win a multi-million dollar lottery) chance that if people educated themselves, the system can be improved every handful of years. Any wishful thinking concerning this remote chance is called hope, and the people who want to get elected will use this hope to acquire and keep their jobs.

Wouldn't you?

Unfortunately, there are major roadblocks in the way of properly manipulating the system. There are UIFs and FCCs in the world, and they will do whatever it takes. Every conflict will suck in any concept, any idea, any process, and label it UIF or FCC. It doesn't matter if you're Wolves or HoC, you're UIF or FCC.

A man in UIF says, 'Hey, let's all use longbows and bodkins.'

Another group of people start using longbows and bodkins. Some guy in FCC wants to use longbows and bodkins. Kalam says, 'What the fuck? You want to use longbows and bodkins? You're a dirty UIF. Get out of here. Get out!' Kalam turns to Kesh and shakes his head. 'I can't believe how stupid those UIF people are!'

When people talk politics, ask them specifics. Ask them how they want to actually fix problems. Example: there's no road leading to your house, and no street lights. First, figure out if this is a problem. Are you okay with this? Do you and your neighbors have trucks, or you just don't care about your cars? If it is a problem, then look for the most efficient solution. Is it cheaper for your town to contract with E&B Co, or Brickhouse, Inc? Are any of the people making this decision connected to these guys? What about the kind of work they did in the past? Did they have acceptable safety standards? What about the materials they use? Will they work at night, instead of blocking the road during the day?

Now take that and put it on a macro scale. That's how we should consider policy- with specific detail. It's easier to run along with the rest of your giant tribe and simply do whatever they do, but they're not making full use of their powers, or are using them to screw you, whether you know it or not. Easy actions come with a price.

 A liberal is just someone who's open to new ideas. A conservative is someone resistant to change. A democrat believes in the people voting for it's government. A republican is someone who believes in a government that isn't led by a king. Blue is a color. Red is a color. Don't let anyone distract you with nonsense labels. They belong to dead humans and to sports. If you're going to listen to a pundit, make sure they're willing to make predictions about their proclamations, and figure out how many of those are right. You have the benefit of access to more knowledge than any generation before you.

Use it.

Don't judge them by what they say; judge them by what they do. Not every country allows you to see how your representatives vote. Use that right. Demand evidence, after you figure out what evidence is.

tl;dr: Politics has a lot of stupid distractions. If people could ignore that, they might be able to deal with the systemic issues and improve it to incentivize better policies. Complex problems have simple, easy to understand wrong answers, and in politics it's especially easy: look at how bad the other guy is.



Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 13, 2015, 04:43:32 pm
I would agree with the guy who says we should use longbows and bodkins. New poll.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Sharpe on June 14, 2015, 02:50:36 pm
Mohegan Sun dude! Lets do it up!

As long as its not Mount Airy, we quite possibly could.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: LordBerenger on June 18, 2015, 11:40:14 pm
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Teeth on June 18, 2015, 11:54:38 pm
What a Communist
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Strudog on June 19, 2015, 10:26:31 am

Americans and this Utopia, it just does not exist. Just like Labour in the UK, promises the earth but cannot back it up or guarantee it.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Overdriven on June 19, 2015, 12:10:53 pm
Haven't watched it but if it's like Labour in the UK then it also requires generating money out of your arse.
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on June 20, 2015, 04:52:07 pm
Haven't watched it but if it's like Labour in the UK then it also requires generating money out of your arse.

Don't know nothing about politics and who is Labour from the UK, but i would like to learn the money-generating-arse technique. Could use some right the fuck now. By the way, would i be able to shit large bills only, or are we talking about frequent coin-diarrheas?..
Title: Re: American elections 2016
Post by: Doom_Carrot on June 24, 2015, 09:32:53 pm
Don't know nothing about politics and who is Labour from the UK, but i would like to learn the money-generating-arse technique. Could use some right the fuck now. By the way, would i be able to shit large bills only, or are we talking about frequent coin-diarrheas?..

You sure you want that?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7OwkPGIYY64