Show plot is better at this point. Books got largely boring after Oberyn died.
Books have a lot of "part time" characters and I can imagine how much would they pay to so many actors. Cutting off Martell's boy and Arya's teachers is logical because they don't have any influence on world but marrying Sansa with Bolton? wtf? I can't connect book's plot with show anymore so it's getting a bit more interesting than knowing everyone's destiny. I only hope they won't spoil most of the upcoming books.
Stannis isn't the king Westeros deserves but he's the one they need. I consider him the only mature pretender but pretty sure he'll die because everyone I like dies. Always.
I don't think there's any way that the T.V. series can end without having danny become queen. Too popular with the fans not to.
Heh, you people didn't even guess the real secret about Jon Snow.
I don't get the Daenerys hype train at all. Her decisions are childish and based on how she feels at the time and she just comes off as a petulant little child 90% of the time, yet people act as if she's a great ruler or something.
I don't get the Daenerys hype train at all. Her decisions are childish and based on how she feels at the time and she just comes off as a petulant little child 90% of the time, yet people act as if she's a great ruler or something.I kind actually liked her in the books, not so in the show, seems they made her more like you said in the show.
Mormont didn't get greyscale from saving tyrion Connington did.
If you mean Melisandre... damn I just got a theory.(click to show/hide)
I took it to mean Aemon was talking about himself...
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I took it to mean Aemon was talking about himself...
My main gripe with the show taking a separate route to the same ending is that they are trimming out all of the unnecessary fluff, awesome characters included. Any character being completely left out of the show basically means that their overall impact on the books' plot is minimal, if not entirely nonexistent. I.e. Lady Stoneheart... we don't know exactly what will become of her in the books, but we can now guess that it all amounts to nothing, otherwise she would have made an appearance in the show (unless for some reason they are keeping her a secret for the future... for some reason or another). I'm really pissed about how Barristan ended up dying in some back alley street fight to a bunch of peasants in the show now, and yet in the books I was really hoping he might make the journey back to westeros and die in some epic manner, or re-assume his role as captain of the kingsguard (queensguard?) in kings landing once more, coming full circle. He was one of my favorite supporting characters, and now the show basically tells me that he doesn't matter at all. :?
Yeah, that's something that annoyed me as well. Barristan is even a pov char in the next book that hasn't come out yet, yet he's already killed off in the show. Maybe the actor had other engagements, or couldn't play the part anymore, and they thought recasting wouldn't work. Or maybe they really are just trimming the fat, cutting out secondary characters to focus more on the main ones. It's almost certain he won't die fighting some random shmucks with daggers in the book though.If it was a thing about recasting they should just went and did it, they had already recast Dharrio Naharis, who isn't the same actor that she met him 1st as.(click to show/hide)
My main contention is that they completely forgot about the Iron Islands all together in the TV show...I know right?! :mad:
If it was a thing about recasting they should just went and did it, they had already recast Dharrio Naharis, who isn't the same actor that she met him 1st as.
There's no useless Jeyne Westerling so it makes sense they'd make that decision to marry them instead.They skipped the wanna-be Stark girl from the books, Reek still gonna rescue a Lady Stark tho... Just you wait.(click to show/hide)
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It's quite worse in the books.But in the books it didn't happen to Sansa Stark, it was her childhood friend Jeyne Pool who was pretending to be Arya Stark.
Also, the Sand Snakes vs Bronn and Jaime was like wtf. Reminded me of a monty python sketch, minus the funny bits.
Say thanks he didn't make Theon licking her pussy, lol.
Also, the Sand Snakes vs Bronn and Jaime was like wtf. Reminded me of a monty python sketch, minus the funny bits.
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The choreography was fucking horrible.
Everyone's reaction whenever the "Sand Snakes" appear on screen:
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They're so bad.
really, this was so idiotic. Also Doran sucks imo.
Wasn't it one of the Kingsguard who was with Myrcella? Oakheart?Yes Arys Oakheart
You obviously don't know what the Dornish Master Plan is...
But in the books it didn't happen to Sansa Stark, it was her childhood friend Jeyne Pool who was pretending to be Arya Stark.This.
i find sansa annoying and getting it in the bumhol was the proper way to punish thisD:
Posted this in the wrong place last night :lol:
Wow the sand snakes are terrible.
It was like the worst fight in the entire GoT series, so far. Horribad, I hope they all die, soon.
People just like to judge stuff like that with today's standards, when concepts like marital rape are very very recent and would not appear at all in a world like that.
All the war, gore, burnings, violence is fine, but get some sexual stuff and lights start to flash.
Also, how are they going to justify her being married to Tyrion AND Ramsay? The first marriage wasn't annulled (even though it could be, as it was not consumate).
I haven't seen anyone saying that rape was the worst thing in the whole story. It's the latest event so we're sharing our thoughts about it not comparing to other "bad things".
While i hate Ramsay regardless of this ''rape'' or not yeah tons of feminázis and others whine about this like crazy. Because cutting Robb Starks head off his body and replacing it with the head of his direwolf wasn't worse. Cutting Theons dick wasn't worse. Slicing Lady Starks throat wasn't worse. Cutting Ned Starks head off wasn't worse....burning and hanging the two farmer boys wasn't worse. Torturing Theon overall wasn't worse.
Nothing worse than Rape (couple of minutes/hours of mild pain) apparently.
i find sansa annoying and getting it in the bumhol was the proper way to punish this
Is anyone else nervous that they're going to make Areo Hotah kill someone like he did in the books?
In the books, Areo Hotah kills Arys Oakheart, the King's guard who accompanied Myrcella to Dorne. Maybe in D&D's version, Areo Hotah will kill off some of the sandsnakes.... or maybe even *gulp* Bronn.
Plz god no
While i hate Ramsay regardless of this ''rape'' or not yeah tons of feminázis and others whine about this like crazy. Because cutting Robb Starks head off his body and replacing it with the head of his direwolf wasn't worse. Cutting Theons dick wasn't worse. Slicing Lady Starks throat wasn't worse. Cutting Ned Starks head off wasn't worse....burning and hanging the two farmer boys wasn't worse. Torturing Theon overall wasn't worse.
Nothing worse than Rape (couple of minutes/hours of mild pain) apparently.
What he did to Theon is much worse, it's another dimension of horrible.What I'll do to you will be another dimension of horrible.
What I'll do to you will be another dimension of horrible.
Vary's station hasn't exactly improved :PNot yet. Who knows what will happen in the future (books) :D
It seems like people operate on the idea that if you display something in fiction, you're somehow supporting it. It's a gross misunderstanding of the nature of fiction.
It's because most Americans are so used to film/shows with the shallow, sentimental formula pumped out by Disney over and over that they can't enjoy a plot that doesn't always result with the good guys beating the bad guys and escaping unscathed-- save for their moral life lesson that will forever change them.visitors can't see pics , please register or login
Except in the lore, they're great warriors. If they fought like that my grandmother would slit their throats before they've finished a swing.Except in the lore they never even met let alone had a great fight. How can you compare the show to the book lore when the show is blatantly taking the book lore and changing it? Maybe the show Hound and the show Brienne aren't great warriors. :P
Except in the lore they never even met let alone had a great fight. How can you compare the show to the book lore when the show is blatantly taking the book lore and changing it? Maybe the show Hound and the show Brienne aren't great warriors. :P
Yoren was the best fighter & one of the most badass characters in the show.I agree
I you believe that you are only fooling yourself. For example Sansa Stark is a focus character in the books who is in a very good position at the end of the last book
1) Because the show and book lore is 99% the same, just some different events
2) Because they have the exact same reputation and lore spelled out in the TV series?
I you believe that you are only fooling yourself. For example Sansa Stark is a focus character in the books who is in a very good position at the end of the last bookSo?some maniac Bolton bastard. That is one of many.(click to show/hide)
So?So therefore the book lore is negated in the show The Hound and Brienne no longer are under book lore constraints
So therefore the book lore is negated in the show The Hound and Brienne no longer are under book lore constraintsThat's retarded reasoning and sounds like you're just bitter over the fact that the show isn't following the books closely anymore and just wanted an excuse to vent. The characters have the exact same backstory.
So therefore the book lore is negated in the show The Hound and Brienne no longer are under book lore constraintsStill suggesting that The Hound and Brienne aren't considered great warriors in the show is dumb as hell, especially since even in the show Brienne won the melee at Renly's camp and the Hound held his own against the Mountain for a bit, beat Beric Dondarrion and wrecked groups of soldiers on his own on like three occasions.
Note, however, that the bar is being (very slowly) raised in modern unarmed combat choreographyThank god for Bourne Identity. The movie that changed unarmed combat from 70s Bond movie style to what we have now in Taken, new JB's, John Wick, etc., etc.
Sandsnakes got nice tits tho
my favorite 3 show characters alive in the show (Stannis, Arya Stark and Jon Snow)
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A "Randyll-Tarly-like" character has been announced for the casting list on season 6
RAY STEVENSON FOR RANDYLL TARLY
THERE CAN BE NO OTHER
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Guess the rest of the world is lucky Jon is at the wall, otherwise he would wreck Jaime, Brienne, both Cleganes and Barristan by the looks of it. If it is just a matter of some actors sucking at doing the moves, then record it slower and speed it up or use a damn double. v=8JNZBgu19Ys
No, but the fighting is what separates it from the Days Of Our Lives.
Atleast Days of Our Lives will keep on going for a long time and has been going for a long time unlike GOT which D&D just wants to be done with asap in most likely 2 more seasons at most.What are you talking about.
What are you talking about.
I really don't see it as a positive that producers keep series alive way past their expiration date. Usually just ruins them.
I really don't see it as a positive that producers keep series alive way past their expiration date. Usually just ruins them.
If they followed the books more it would work and could introduce newer characters and newer storylines. Only thing holding them back is that the actors and actresses grow older fastThey can't follow the books because the books got boring after the end of last season. This is the reason they're changing things this season.
They can't follow the books because the books got boring after the end of last season. This is the reason they're changing things this season.
Wat? They're not following the book anymore because they've completely caught up.What are you talking about? They have literally not caught up.
How do you expect them to follow a book that hasn't been written yet?
Not entirely true to say so either way. For some characters it has caught up, some it hasn't.Who has it caught up with? More importantly, who had it caught up at the start of the season when they started creating their own plotlines?
Who has it caught up with? More importantly, who had it caught up at the start of the season when they started creating their own plotlines?
Uhhh... Sansa is kinda a big one. Have Tyrion and Danaerys met in the books yet either? No.1) No, it hasn't caught up with Sansa, Sansa is doing something completely different in the books.
Remember, just because what you're seeing in the show hasn't happened in the books yet (or completely diverges from them) doesn't mean that they are simply adding filler, waiting for the books to come out. They are intentionally cutting out plotlines and inventing new ones to speed up the completion of the series.Wat? Do you even understand what you're saying, here? Do you still remember the context? It was about whether the TV show needed to make up new plotlines for the book characters yet or not, then gallog claimed they had to because they'd caught up with the books... which they haven't, so they didn't need to do that.
Wat? Do you even understand what you're saying, here? Do you still remember the context? It was about whether the TV show needed to make up new plotlines for the book characters yet or not, then gallog claimed they had to because they'd caught up with the books... which they haven't, so they didn't need to do that.
You must have a hard on for being right all the time. Like dood, chill the fuck out.It's not my fault I'm right all the time, brah. Maybe people shouldn't interject with their "akshelly this is how it is" if they're wrong and don't know what they're talking about.
It's not my fault I'm right all the time, brah. Maybe people shouldn't interject with their "akshelly this is how it is" if they're wrong and don't know what they're talking about.
Interesting I didn't know people could interject in an open forum. But yeah, you right.Really, where do you think people usually interject, then? In closed forums? Are normal conversations not open? Have you never heard of, or thought about, the word "interject" being used when someone, I don't know, interjects in a conversation that, by all appearances, is open? Follow up question, are you autistic?
Really, where do you think people usually interject, then? In closed forums? Are normal conversations not open? Have you never heard of, or thought about, the word "interject" being used when someone, I don't know, interjects in a conversation that, by all appearances, is open? Follow up question, are you autistic?
Yes I actually am autisticOK, that makes sense and explains it, no further questions.
Who has it caught up with? More importantly, who had it caught up at the start of the season when they started creating their own plotlines?It caught up with The Hound even though it wasn't Brienne that killed him, he died from wounds he got in that tavern fight with his brothers men. You only learn of his actual death thru a hermit priest that Brianne and Podrick traveled with for a bit.
Game of Thrones needs the Wachowski brothers.Goemon of Thrones
The moment people stop talking there should be wall-running, flipping, and ultimate twirling of weapons faster than the eye can see. That would make combat look more real and brutal. Imagine how awesome it would have been if Ser Barristan jumped on everyone's heads like a delicate dancer because he's so fast and well-trained despite being an old man, it'd be the greatest all-CGI fight Game of Thrones ever saw!
People needs to flail really frickin' fast and backpedal, and jump back and forth exerting needless energy in order for it to look like realistic medieval combat.
so hey is this xanth guy a real pathetic cunt or what
Don't bash him man, he may pull the old "I don't agree with what this guy has said, so clearly he is autistic" argument on you. Then go on to think he has won.I didn't ask if you were autistic because you "didn't agree with me" (what was there even to agree about) but because you clung to a single irrelevant word and tried to argue pointless fucking semantics (while being wrong) because that's the only comeback you could come up with.
I didn't ask if you were autistic because you "didn't agree with me" (what was there even to agree about) but because you clung to a single irrelevant word and tried to argue pointless fucking semantics (while being wrong) because that's the only comeback you could come up with.
You must have a hard on for being right all the time. Like dood, chill the fuck out.
Ur fault for replying and furthering the discussion.wut discusion did he further?
Yes, obviously the show has caught up with dead characters, I thought that much was obvious. I don't see how that's relevant to the discussion either.OK here are 2 they caught up before this season started- Sansa Stark and Peter Baelish. The only thing missing was Littlefinger revealing to Sansa his plan to unite the vale with winterfell thru her marrying the heir of the vale.
OK here are 2 they caught up before this season started- Sansa Stark and Peter Baelish. The only thing missing was Littlefinger revealing to Sansa his plan to unite the vale with winterfell thru her marrying the heir of the vale.Already covered this. Sansa's plot wasn't caught up with because they changed the storyline. Littlefinger's storyline has largely been changed as well, almost nothing he did in A Feast for Crows happened in the show.
Already covered this. Sansa's plot wasn't caught up with because they changed the storyline. Littlefinger's storyline has largely been changed as well, almost nothing he did in A Feast for Crows happened in the show.Just because the "show" changed their story doesn't mean they weren't caught up. They were caught up and then they added crap that didn't happen.
Just because the "show" changed their story doesn't mean they weren't caught up. They were caught up and then they added crap that didn't happen.Except, yes, it does mean that.
Except, yes, it does mean that.Except no it doesn't mean that, maybe to you though, who knows. Show can't change the plot and then say it wasn't caught up to the books because they changed shit. The reality is the show was caught up to those 2 book wise.
Except no it doesn't mean that, maybe to you though, who knows. Show can't change the plot and then say it wasn't caught up to the books because they changed shit. The reality is the show was caught up to those 2 book wise.You utter retard, it's impossible by definition. They changed the storylines, moron. How the fuck can a storyline about Harrold Hardyng be "caught up with" when it doesn't fucking exist in the show, idiot? It can't. Jesus, talking with you sub-90 IQ people can be so draining sometimes when you don't even grasp the very basics of logic.
You utter retard, it's impossible by definition. They changed the storylines, moron. How the fuck can a storyline about Harrold Hardyng be "caught up with" when it doesn't fucking exist in the show, idiot? It can't. Jesus, talking with you sub-90 IQ people can be so draining sometimes when you don't even grasp the very basics of logic.Because that wasn't something that actually happened yet in the books retard- it was only mentioned. Awaiting on the next book to flesh out that storyline. The show was caught up to the last written book with these 2 characters whether you want to agree or not.
Because that wasn't something that actually happened yet in the books retard- it was only mentioned. Awaiting on the next book to flesh out that storyline. The show was caught up to the last written book with these 2 characters whether you want to agree or not.I knew I was going too fast for your meager intelligence to keep up with, so let me go half-speed so you can catch up.
Petyr, the Lord Protector of the Vale of Arryn, arranges a betrothal between Harrold and Sansa Stark, who is masquerading as Petyr's bastard daughter, "Alayne Stone". He schemes to reveal Sansa's true identity and reclaim Winterfell in her name.
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That's not a question I can answer for you.
But the fact you're willing to accept that possibility surely tells you which of the people in Jona's post you are.
Hint 1 - the idiot will always assume they're right despite anything anybody says or does.
Hint 2 - only one of the two main individuals involved instantly assumed they were the smart person in Jona's post and upvoted it
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Cersei?
Gonna be honest in the latest show where she gets locked up by the Faith.. not sure how she didn't see that coming as a possibility. She really is daft.
She just thought being mother of the King meant something.
Well, the battle of hardhome was fucking epic as hell. And that wasn't in the books.
And, well, a dickless man fell in love with a hot chick. That didn't happen in the books either.
So it really balances out. There are pros and cons to both books and show, but I like them both. You must simply accept that they are not exact clone duplicate copies of each other. Lets be honest, if the books never exsisted, I don't think there would be a SINGLE thing to complain about on GoT. Its just these screamers who rage at every deviation from saint martins vision of westeros.
My fanboyish disdain of departures from the books only extended to the books that were actually good, anyways. The TV show is writing the script now, probably with the approval of Martin, but still their own thing.
I wonder what will happen when they go forward in the show by a big margin and Martin is about to release a new book...
Wouldn't it be weird to read what "actually" happens after seeing "fake" events in the show?
I guess that's gonna be pretty weird for me at least.
Well, in the books plenty of sprawling threads have already ended without making even the slightest contribution to any of the main storylines, so Martin has long shattered my hopes of everything making sense and being worth the read in the end.
I accepted that the show and books would always be different entities long ago, but I'm fine with that. The show producers acknowledge that, and they aren't trying to create the "perfect" adaptation of the books since it would be a near-impossible thing to do. They are working within the canon established in the ASOIAF books and pulling from the plotlines to recreate the story in a different form of media. Sure, they may be 80% the same, but I'm glad that it isn't a carbon copy, since as you said they are cutting plenty of things that are bad, and after thinning it down are giving us a more streamlined, and potentially as-good a tale as Martin is, if not better due to removing the unnecessary plot points. I'm guessing that the endings will be fairly similar, since after all we are away that the show writers know what the ending will be, but perhaps the path to get there will be different since we were never told how detailed of an outline they have.The phrasing "fake" was probably a bad choice. I merely ment to seperate the 2.
The events in the show will probably mirror what the happens in the books, only instead of certain characters participating in certain events or taking specific actions, it may be someone else doing that in the books, since they may not exist in the show. Really, I'm expecting to see the same major events take place, but some characters may be swapped with others is all, if some aren't simply left out entirely in the show. I wouldn't really say that the show events would be considered "fake" because of it, but more of an "alternate" telling of the same thing. Besides, once the show establishes it as happening, who is to say that the novels don't tell the "fake" story? After all, it happened in the show first at that point. Plenty of people watch the show who never touched the books, and I don't expect that to change any time soon. The only people who would consider the show to be the fake version would be the book purists, and let's be real here, they are probably the minority at this point.