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Re: GoT=/=ASOIAF
« Reply #75 on: May 22, 2015, 04:13:22 pm »
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Vary's station hasn't exactly improved  :P
Not yet. Who knows what will happen in the future (books) :D
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Re: GoT=/=ASOIAF
« Reply #76 on: May 22, 2015, 06:41:58 pm »
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It seems like people operate on the idea that if you display something in fiction, you're somehow supporting it. It's a gross misunderstanding of the nature of fiction.


It's because most Americans are so used to film/shows with the shallow, sentimental formula pumped out by Disney over and over that they can't enjoy a plot that doesn't always result with the good guys beating the bad guys and escaping unscathed-- save for their moral life lesson that will forever change them.

And I don't follow the cries of feminist, so I can only base this on what the previous posts have said, but to me, allowing Sansa to get raped and abused is not condoning these actions, but instead allows for the opportunity to really illustrate something meaningful. The reality is rape and abuse happen all the time and there isn't always a gallant savior to rescue these women seconds before their demise like hollywood always shows.

By always saving these characters instead of allowing them to experience these terrible things, you send a message that there is no second chances for you if get raped-- no happy endings-- because if that did happen in the plot it would "ruin" the character.

I'm quite interested in seeing how Sansa acts after this. Her innocence worked well early on, but was growing stale, and she can't truly become a mastermind politician without being crushed a few times.

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Re: GoT=/=ASOIAF
« Reply #77 on: May 22, 2015, 09:17:16 pm »
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Re: GoT=/=ASOIAF
« Reply #78 on: May 22, 2015, 09:28:02 pm »
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It's because most Americans are so used to film/shows with the shallow, sentimental formula pumped out by Disney over and over that they can't enjoy a plot that doesn't always result with the good guys beating the bad guys and escaping unscathed-- save for their moral life lesson that will forever change them.
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Re: GoT=/=ASOIAF
« Reply #79 on: May 24, 2015, 05:01:58 pm »
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Welp, finally watched my backlog of GoT episodes since I stopped watching when Oberyn died. I was quite pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed it, but for a series with this scope and these resources, you'd think they could hire a proper fighting choreographer by now. Especially since the ASOIAF universe usually portrays the best fighters as extremely confident and worth a dozen men. I had hopes after Oberyn displayed some sweet moves and advanced spear fighting techniques, which admittedly were way too flashy and similarly unrealistic, but at least it showed a measure of speed and control that made him as a spear expert look like he would outclass a random pedestrian that was given a sword.

Then the Brienne and Hound fight came, both among the best fighters in Westeros, and it once again failed to show any speed or control. Not to mention the comically retarded Sand Snake shit. I'm half tempted to speed up the fighting scenes in VLC to make them look more exciting, but that won't fix the nonsensical decisions and terrible moves. It is starting to become a serious thorn in my eye at this point.

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Re: GoT=/=ASOIAF
« Reply #80 on: May 24, 2015, 05:17:05 pm »
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The weird thing is that the fight scenes have been crap from the start... except for a couple that have been pretty good, randomly.

Jon Snow fight scenes have always been good, IIRC. Bronn's generally been alright, etc... but even when the fight scenes are good by the series' standard, they're still far from great, always looking at least a bit clumsy and awkward. I don't understand how that's possible in a show with such high production values.
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Re: GoT=/=ASOIAF
« Reply #81 on: May 24, 2015, 05:17:14 pm »
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Brienne and Hound are tanks and not agi whores. They fight sloppy which was awesome. Even though Brienne is a bitch.
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Re: GoT=/=ASOIAF
« Reply #82 on: May 24, 2015, 06:22:16 pm »
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Except in the lore, they're great warriors. If they fought like that my grandmother would slit their throats before they've finished a swing.
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Re: GoT=/=ASOIAF
« Reply #83 on: May 24, 2015, 06:50:43 pm »
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Compare most GoT fights to this, for example...
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Re: GoT=/=ASOIAF
« Reply #84 on: May 24, 2015, 09:41:56 pm »
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It is quite staggering though what perceptions many people have of the combat when I read discussions about it, thinking the slow pace is in fact more realistic than other fighting scenes. Granted, both the books and the series have swords that are rather thick and large, so many of the fights should probably not be at longsword speed, but that is no excuse for making it look so clumsy and incompetent all the time. Considering many of the main characters are supposed to have survived many battles you'd think that exposing themselves completely for every swing and having every fight devolve into headbutting would not have allowed them to get that far.

Oh and I forgot about that Jon actually does have fights that do not make me cringe. The fight between him and the Thenn leader guy with the big axe was pretty cool with both of them actually using their weapon range and stepping in a way that makes sense with their attacks. Guess the rest of the world is lucky Jon is at the wall, otherwise he would wreck Jaime, Brienne, both Cleganes and Barristan by the looks of it. If it is just a matter of some actors sucking at doing the moves, then record it slower and speed it up or use a damn double. Since everyone and their mother has a completely unique armour set anyway, is it really too much to let them wear a helmet above their plate?

Also, came across this scene on YouTube and it is so excellent. The Hound will be missed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JNZBgu19Ys
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Re: GoT=/=ASOIAF
« Reply #85 on: May 25, 2015, 04:36:47 am »
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Except in the lore, they're great warriors. If they fought like that my grandmother would slit their throats before they've finished a swing.
Except in the lore they never even met let alone had a great fight. How can you compare the show to the book lore when the show is blatantly taking the book lore and changing it? Maybe the show Hound and the show Brienne aren't great warriors. :P
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« Reply #86 on: May 25, 2015, 09:16:31 am »
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Except in the lore they never even met let alone had a great fight. How can you compare the show to the book lore when the show is blatantly taking the book lore and changing it? Maybe the show Hound and the show Brienne aren't great warriors. :P


1) Because the show and book lore is 99% the same, just some different events
2) Because they have the exact same reputation and lore spelled out in the TV series?
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Re: GoT=/=ASOIAF
« Reply #87 on: May 25, 2015, 10:11:24 am »
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Yoren was the best fighter & one of the most badass characters in the show.
Do you honestly think you have any sort of moral authority, Reyiz? Go genocide some more armenians and deny it ever happened, please, and stay in the middle east.
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« Reply #88 on: May 25, 2015, 12:13:33 pm »
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Yoren was the best fighter & one of the most badass characters in the show.
I agree
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Re: GoT=/=ASOIAF
« Reply #89 on: May 25, 2015, 12:20:47 pm »
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1) Because the show and book lore is 99% the same, just some different events
2) Because they have the exact same reputation and lore spelled out in the TV series?
I you believe that you are only fooling yourself. For example Sansa Stark is a focus character in the books who is in a very good position at the end of the last book
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some maniac Bolton bastard. That is one of many.
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