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Title: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Phew on October 10, 2014, 06:37:55 pm
I can only tolerate endless HA delayfests on Battle for maybe 30-45 mins at a time, and NA siege is always empty now, so I frequently pop over to the duel server just so I can actually engage in melee combat (you know, the entire point of the game). I don't initiate ranked duels, I don't care about epeenery, I don't trash talk, I don't make excuses when I lose, I don't mind getting crushed by superior players; it's just a place to have some quick fights and have fun.

I have 7 shield skill and rely heavily on the neutral shield nudge mechanic, so I usually duel with a shield (the little 3kg Knightly Kite, so it's not even a durable shield). It's how I play my character on other servers, so it's how I play my character on duel server; when I'm playing on my 2h character, I duel with a 2h weapon.

However, I'd say about a quarter of the players I duel spew vitriol about shield usage on the server, like how I'm clearly a garbage player for using one etc. I won't continue to duel people after they insult me, which frequently results in them harassing me nonstop in chat and/or following me around being a dick.  Shields clearly aren't some kind of "I win button" for duel (I don't see anyone on the NA top 25 duelist list that duels with one), and I notice when dueling other shielders with/without their shield that it is typically more of a liability than an asset (slows you down, more susceptible to block stun and kicks, worse melee coverage, inability to tap block twice within a short period of time, etc.) It's a risk/reward proposition just like kicks, nudges, or stabs, yet people are much less apt to complain about those.

Anyway, my request is this: If you don't like dueling someone that has a shield, STFU and bring an axe next time, or just swing around the shield/kick like the good duelists do. And chill with the elitism about what you consider "real" dueling.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on October 10, 2014, 06:40:52 pm
honestly if you duel in this game and take it even 1% seriously you're a piece of outdated dinosaur shit that thinks itself hot but really it is fucking cold and fossilizing a hundred feet under the ground while the rest of the world goes on flying planes, and driving cars, and making shitty christopher nolan movies, etc
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Bronto on October 10, 2014, 06:45:07 pm
Leave the dinosaurs out of this man.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Tibe on October 10, 2014, 06:46:42 pm
Yea, I generally put a shield away for 1 vs 1 fights aswell. Not so much cause of the liability but to train myself in the art of shieldless 1h. Cause getting rekt by archers at the end of the round cause you wasted your shield on perfectly manually blockable swings is bad practice. Just get an axe and break that shit, not that hard. Died once cause you dont know how to counter shields? Respawn with an axe and win. Simple. Yea, but I suppose the shielder shittalking is more related to simple elitism rather than issues with countering.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on October 10, 2014, 06:52:23 pm
Leave the dinosaurs out of this man.

fuck the dinosaurs egotistical fucking douchebags walking around so tall strutting like they're the fucking best, think theyre so fucking cool, well you're not, you're fucking extinct, kiddo
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Phew on October 10, 2014, 06:52:50 pm
I suppose the shielder shittalking is more related to simple elitism rather than issues with countering.

My theory is that it's mostly tweens just acting like tweens. Kaoklai is the worst sh!t talker of all, and he's a tween. Grown men judge their self-worth on their contributions to society, not video games.

EDIT-The saddest indictment of Kaok is how he showed up to minus my OP within seconds of this post. That means he is sitting in his Pre-Algebra class with his phone under his desk hitting refresh on a forum search for "Kaoklai" all day.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Bronto on October 10, 2014, 06:57:03 pm
fuck the dinosaurs egotistical fucking douchebags walking around so tall strutting like they're the fucking best, think theyre so fucking cool, well you're not, you're fucking extinct, kiddo

Settle down. Dinosaurs are awesome and you know it. You're just jealous because they're so much cooler than you'll ever be. They've got museums dedicated to them, what do you have eh? Just your school pics on your mom's fridge.

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Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Jona on October 10, 2014, 07:19:55 pm
I don't see anyone on the NA top 25 duelist list that duels with one

As I am sure you are well aware, the "Top 25 NA Duelists" list is really only a measurement of how much someone cares about his epeen/how sad their real life is. It barely, if at all, relates to actual dueling skill. That said, your point still stands, for whatever it's worth.

Basically, in this day and age where everyone can manually block pretty much 98% of swings, bringing a shield to a duel is only a liability for the person bringing it. Screw the crybabies that say otherwise.

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Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Phew on October 10, 2014, 07:43:27 pm
As I am sure you are well aware, the "Top 25 NA Duelists" list is really only a measurement of how much someone cares about his epeen/how sad their real life is.

No argument here; one could rise near the Top 10 on that list by only dueling peasants playing cRPG for the first time. I should have said that I can't think of any great duelists that become more potent when they equip a shield.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Blackbow on October 10, 2014, 08:18:36 pm
remove neutral nudge on shielders
just give them bash

every classe have only one nudge so ...
sheilders already op enough with stab and their 1h who have same reach as 2h
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Phew on October 10, 2014, 08:20:31 pm
remove neutral nudge on shielders
just give them bash
every classe have only one nudge so ...

Eh? Every class has neutral nudge. Shield isn't even the best one (1h takes that honor).
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Macropus on October 10, 2014, 08:21:29 pm
Something tells me, those are the same people that complain about using knockdown in duels.

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They are mad cuz bad, ingore them. Or duel them for 1 million gold if they insist on shittalking.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Crob28 on October 10, 2014, 08:22:52 pm
Meh if ur not a shielder and you can't beat a shielder 1v1.... L2P
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Phew on October 10, 2014, 08:37:57 pm
Meh if ur not a shielder and you can't beat a shielder 1v1.... L2P

That's a little extreme; shields have their benefits/drawbacks, but it's not like equipping one suddenly makes a good player terrible.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Kafein on October 10, 2014, 10:26:32 pm
and making shitty christopher nolan movies, etc

You crossed the line there
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Butan on October 10, 2014, 10:45:04 pm
melee combat (you know, the entire point of the game).

Wrong.


If you don't like dueling someone that has a shield, STFU and bring an axe next time, or just swing around the shield/kick like the good duelists do. And chill with the elitism about what you consider "real" dueling.

True!



My first quote was meant to introduce my opinion that all playable classes are equally authorized in all gamemodes, so I support you on shield usage in duel server. As in all other things.
In battle/siege servers everyone's forced to fight every kind of builds of the opposing team, so there is more room for rage, but in duel server you CHOOSE your duels. If you dont like someone's playstyle its extremely childish to bother him, when you are not even forced to suffer from him.

Then there is some douchebags that trollspam you with request even when its clear you dont want to duel them, but if someone uses a shield and dont brag behind it (the typical coward shielder), I dont see the point in people complaining. Except for good old verbal duels, which is also a part of the duel server life.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Phew on October 10, 2014, 11:01:42 pm
Wrong.

OK, it's not the "point" of the game, but it's definitely the "strength" of the game. There have been dozens of games with nearly identical ranged mechanics, so M&B doesn't stand out in that regard.

Note I said "melee" and not "infantry". Cavalry also engage in "melee" combat:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melee_(warfare) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melee_(warfare))
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on October 10, 2014, 11:09:01 pm
my manager Jerry Circumcizivitz has advised me to publically apologize to any dinosaurs i may have offended with my comments

please know that i am now signed up in a dinomodern cultural sensitivity class, and i have been learning that dinosaurs are our equal, and that we should miscegenate with them and consider them our equals like Yahweh commands

I am so deeply sorry,
thank you for giving me a second chance,

sincerelyy,
[email protected]
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Bronto on October 11, 2014, 01:47:57 am
As a spokesdino for my kind. We accept your apology and offer some advice.

Gmail, really?!?!?! Someone's probably hacking your account and posting nude photos of you on reddit. Hotmail is the blast from the past!
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Veniathan on October 11, 2014, 10:39:52 am
Same people die to arrows in battle/siege and cry rivers when shielder kills them in battle, siege or duel. Because playing shielder is soooo nooby. But playing a build that does 50 cut damage at a time and be able to swing faster, have longer stabs and more general damage than a shielder? Absolutely fine
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Teeth on October 11, 2014, 10:50:53 am
Shielders are fucking boring to duel for the simple fact that a big aspect of duelling gets plainly removed, namely making your opponents pick the wrong block. Shielders are usually defensive as hell too and with a limited bag of available tricks, duelling a shielder takes forever. The last thing duelling needs in this game is taking even longer to kill people, so be all self-righteous about your shield usage as much as you want, but I am sure as fuck not going to duel you.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Smoothrich on October 11, 2014, 11:04:45 am
People on the duel server kept calling you bad, because you are. No need to make threads and shitty posts to convince yourself otherwise.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Rebelyell on October 11, 2014, 12:51:01 pm
honestly if you duel in this game and take it even 1% seriously you're a piece of outdated dinosaur shit that thinks itself hot but really it is fucking cold and fossilizing a hundred feet under the ground while the rest of the world goes on flying planes, and driving cars, and making shitty christopher nolan movies, etc
so it is your excuse for being shit
cool
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Veniathan on October 11, 2014, 01:41:58 pm
so it is your excuse for being shit
cool

You can be good at the game and not give a serious shit about it. For example, admittedly I suck at this game. I'm somewhat decent and that really depends on the situation. I don't think cRPG is serious buisness, I don't rage when I die and I don't insult others for play styles. I do think 2h has for example ridiculous damage, but I'd never nerf them and I don't give a fuck really. If I'm killed by 2h, spectate, respawn and continue with life

The problem with many of you in this game is that you think this game is some serious buisness. This game is everything but serious.

Shields were a standard weapon in the medieval age, if someone has problems with shields. The best choice is not to play a medieval game about medieval battles.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Rebelyell on October 11, 2014, 02:21:12 pm
You can be good at the game and not give a serious shit about it. For example, admittedly I suck at this game. I'm somewhat decent and that really depends on the situation. I don't think cRPG is serious buisness, I don't rage when I die and I don't insult others for play styles. I do think 2h has for example ridiculous damage, but I'd never nerf them and I don't give a fuck really. If I'm killed by 2h, spectate, respawn and continue with life

The problem with many of you in this game is that you think this game is some serious buisness. This game is everything but serious.

Shields were a standard weapon in the medieval age, if someone has problems with shields. The best choice is not to play a medieval game about medieval battles.
serious respond...
dam I have to work on my elitist shit talk
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Phew on October 11, 2014, 07:15:02 pm
People on the duel server kept calling you bad, because you are. No need to make threads and shitty posts to convince yourself otherwise.

You would have a valid point if I made any claims about being an awesome player or something. But alas, I didn't. I just want the harassment to stop.

I can only assume you are one of said whiny tweens I referenced in my OP.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Bronto on October 11, 2014, 09:53:36 pm
You would have a valid point if I made any claims about being an awesome player or something. But alas, I didn't. I just want the harassment to stop.

I can only assume you are one of said whiny tweens fat balding manchildren I referenced in my OP.

Fixed.

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Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: lombardsoup on October 11, 2014, 09:57:10 pm
fat balding manchildren

That's everyone that has ever posted on this forum, self included

#gottemall
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Sharpe on October 12, 2014, 03:33:32 pm
My only problem is Phew, when we're on siege and having a great fight you just go ahead an nudge me off the walls. Disrespectful to archers everywhere.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Phew on October 12, 2014, 05:03:40 pm
My only problem is Phew, when we're on siege and having a great fight you just go ahead an nudge me off the walls. Disrespectful to archers everywhere.

Don't worry, I get as good as I give when it comes to nudge deaths on siege. The polearm shove is much easier to pull off than the shield defensive nudge, so it's usually polearmers that shove me to a fall death.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Lord Voren on October 12, 2014, 07:22:45 pm
Shield is alot of fun. Ive played every spec in the game and I always come back to shield for a few gens because dueling and playing with a shield allows me to really focus on footwork, chambering, kicking, feinting, ect... To those guys who shit talk players for wanting to learn a new fighting style I say eat a dick and blow it out of your ass. Alot of new players try shield to start because its easy to learn block and attack mechanics and why would you want to chastise them until they quit or go masterrace2h? This is a game, people play it because its fun.

Remember Phew, A lion doesn't care what a sheep thinks...
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: DrTaco on October 12, 2014, 07:38:55 pm
Shield is alot of fun. Ive played every spec in the game and I always come back to shield for a few gens because dueling and playing with a shield allows me to really focus on footwork, chambering, kicking, feinting, ect... To those guys who shit talk players for wanting to learn a new fighting style I say eat a dick and blow it out of your ass. Alot of new players try shield to start because its easy to learn block and attack mechanics and why would you want to chastise them until they quit or go masterrace2h? This is a game, people play it because its fun.

Remember Phew, A lion doesn't care what a sheep thinks...

Presumably the vitrol comes from the fact that shielding is inherently easier to block with. Of course, you can pick your duels on a duel server, so even bothering to fight against something that you don't like - and then shit talking afterwards when you either lose or win - doesn't make sense. I will say however, if I go onto a duel server, I choose not to duel anyone with a shield. Primarily because I can't be arsed to bring an axe (and learn how to use it well) to break through the 7 Shieldskill masterwork steel buckler . Too much time, effort, and tricks I have to pull to get on an even footing.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Kalam on October 12, 2014, 07:41:59 pm
A shield is always a liability in melee duels. I don't know why it's ever seen as anything else.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: DrTaco on October 12, 2014, 07:43:15 pm
Probably because I have a different viewpoint than you.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Lord Voren on October 12, 2014, 07:45:16 pm
A shield is always a liability in melee duels. I don't know why it's ever seen as anything else.

In what way is pushing one button to block any direction a liability? In what way is picking and choosing your battles a liability? In what way is throwing your shield up and Skeying back to teammates a liability? Its true that most shielders are beat by most 2hs, but it is not because the shield is at fault, the players skills is just different. A good shielder vs a good 2h, Id take the shielder all day everyday and twice on sunday.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Kalam on October 12, 2014, 07:48:46 pm
In what way is pushing one button to block any direction a liability? In what way is picking and choosing your battles a liability? In what way is throwing your shield up and Skeying back to teammates a liability? Its true that most shielders are beat by most 2hs, but it is not because the shield is at fault, the players skills is just different. A good shielder vs a good 2h, Id take the shielder all day everyday and twice on sunday.

Melee duels. I'm not arguing against it's effectiveness in battle. You're simply able to maneuver more easily without a shield in a one on one duel. Even when I was a 1h, I always dropped the shield if I found myself in a duel situation.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Lord Voren on October 12, 2014, 07:53:58 pm
Melee duels. I'm not arguing against it's effectiveness in battle. You're simply able to maneuver more easily without a shield in a one on one duel. Even when I was a 1h, I always dropped the shield if I found myself in a duel situation.

Well, im saying I disagree, in a duel, good shielder vs good 2h, again I say, Shielder takes it...chances are that 2h is going to be 24/15 or 18/24 and the shielder is 18/24 or 15/27. The shielder can chamber and double swing as easily as the 2h can and if the 2h isnt good at avoiding kicks its going to be even faster win. 2h has to be worried about blocking and attacking were as a shielder can pick and choose when he goes in and what attacks he wants to counter / can bully the 2h until his shield is broke, which gives him an atk speed boost.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: MURDERTRON on October 12, 2014, 08:42:04 pm
Why would shielders have more stat points than a 2her who doesn't need shield points?
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on October 13, 2014, 12:11:56 am
It isn't really as though using a shield in a duel makes you bad. I'd say that someone using a shield in the duel server is more likely to be bad than someone that does not, but that is a moot point.

The real problem is that dueling a shielder is almost always fucking boring as all hell. However, this shouldn't be a problem for anyone either. If I was in the duel server and I saw you there dueling with a shield, I'd just not duel you. I wouldn't talk shit (probably) or fuck with you. I just wouldn't duel you because I wouldn't really find it fun.

If the server was nearly empty and I wanted to duel, I'd maybe ask you to drop the shield so we could fight, but I'm not going to go apeshit if you didn't want to.

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Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Ikarus on October 13, 2014, 12:22:19 am
WORD, Phew

tbh I also hate dueling shielders cause theyre so damn durable (and it´s a pain in the arse with my iberian mace), but, well, that´s because it´s THEIR way of fighting, otherwise they wouldn´t be called shielders (bring axes for shielders, polearms for cav, shields or range for other range, people seem NOT to understand this little fact)

it´s the same when people yell at crossbowmen when they run away after they shot, xbows aren´t meant to fight at the front rows like 2h


I´m only a bit pissed when somebody wants a ranked duel with me with a friggin maul. That´s really idiotic (unless you want to train fights with mauls OR when he lets you stand up and won´t hit you after a knockdown, but these sportive guys got way too rare)
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Macropus on October 13, 2014, 12:31:29 am
You could always put the shield on your back. Then its an even bigger handicap.
After the introduction of "Drop shield" button, I don't understand why people still put their shields on their back, when they could just drop it and then pick it up back once they're finished with that axeman.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Lord Voren on October 13, 2014, 12:52:36 am
After the introduction of "Drop shield" button, I don't understand why people still put their shields on their back, when they could just drop it and then pick it up back once they're finished with that axeman.

Thats how it works in Battle but for a duel if youre working on your fighting with your gear, dropping the shield takes the wight off, which effects your footwork. But hell yeah drop that shit in battle, shit on that kid with a morning star or Long Bardiche or whatever that spammer has, and pick up your shield when youre done with him. Just because you have shield skill doesnt mean you have to fight with one all the time.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Macropus on October 13, 2014, 01:11:25 am
Thats how it works in Battle but for a duel if youre working on your fighting with your gear, dropping the shield takes the wight off, which effects your footwork.
Yes, it improves footwork. Thought that's a good thing. You don't need to practice fighting with the additional weight if you're going to drop the shield in battle, do you?  :) And IMO duelling without shield doesn't help much for fighting with one, it's a bit different fighting styles.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on October 13, 2014, 01:17:50 am
After the introduction of "Drop shield" button, I don't understand why people still put their shields on their back, when they could just drop it and then pick it up back once they're finished with that axeman.

it has the possibility of making you look more fly

and looking fly is what its all about at the end of the day
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Macropus on October 13, 2014, 01:27:28 am
it has the possibility of making you look more fly

and looking fly is what its all about at the end of the day
Much more so if you're a cav. Putting a shield on your back without being on horseback is pretty much a waste of your shield.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: San on October 13, 2014, 01:36:50 am
Why drop the shield if it's only going to take a few seconds to dispatch the axeman?

Duel with your shield if you want, people who are complaining are just insecure.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Macropus on October 13, 2014, 01:51:15 am
Why drop the shield if it's only going to take a few seconds to dispatch the axeman?
- Not always a few seconds.  :oops:
- You're faster if you drop the shield instead of carrying it, leaving you extra time to pick it up and most likely reducing the time it takes to finish those nasty axe-wielders.
- Should you decide it's time to retreat, it's much easier to do so without shield. Note than with a shield on your back you have to first equip it and only then drop it, which takes time you're vulnerable for.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: imisshotmail on October 13, 2014, 04:47:47 am
dueling with a shield is awful because if you play it right it's impossible to lose until the shield is broken, it just drags out every duel and is extremely boring to play against.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Harpag on October 13, 2014, 01:13:21 pm
I'm using shield on duel for the same reason, from what twohander uses 2h and not a polearm, and archer shoot with a bow and not with crossbow ... but yeah,  if I duel, mostly with 2h alt.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Veniathan on October 13, 2014, 05:48:52 pm
It isn't really as though using a shield in a duel makes you bad. I'd say that someone using a shield in the duel server is more likely to be bad than someone that does not, but that is a moot point.

The real problem is that dueling a shielder is almost always fucking boring as all hell. However, this shouldn't be a problem for anyone either. If I was in the duel server and I saw you there dueling with a shield, I'd just not duel you. I wouldn't talk shit (probably) or fuck with you. I just wouldn't duel you because I wouldn't really find it fun.

If the server was nearly empty and I wanted to duel, I'd maybe ask you to drop the shield so we could fight, but I'm not going to go apeshit if you didn't want to.

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Are you NA Player? EU has lots of really good shielders who could wreck your ass in a few seconds. Please, consider it. Simply because you use a shield doesn't mean you're bad player. I use it for banner, nudge, and pissing off 2handers because the game is filled to the brim with them.

It's the same as crossbowmen and archers. Difference? Small, just different gameplay. There are lots of 2h players who suck really badly, they rely on spamming or crushthrough. And there are also lots of shield players who suck (Huskarl Shield crutchers who just hold right mouse button and never attack) etc.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Auphilia on October 13, 2014, 06:58:57 pm
I'm almost always a cavalry player so when I go into duel with 7-8 riding and champion horses that I can't use (as no one will duel cavalry), and end up going on foot and also putting away my shield for some people, effectively making my build level 20 in comparison to their level 30s. I'm not complaining.

Anyways Phew, play your build and do what you want, just don't complain in here when you are guilty of the same shit as everyone else. You wouldn't duel me when I was on a horse. You refused to fight me without shields. Then when I beat you with shields, you came back with an axe lol.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Phew on October 13, 2014, 07:15:20 pm
You wouldn't duel me when I was on a horse. You refused to fight me without shields. Then when I beat you with shields, you came back with an axe lol. 

You must have me confused with someone else.
-I always accept cav duels, because I still haven't figured out how to roll consistently and need the practice
-I always have an axe secondary equipped on all servers, so I wouldn't "come back with" one

I think I remember fighting you though. Do you wear Palace Guard armor? I think you fall into the category of "players that perform better without a shield than with". I'm not in that category; no reason to hate about it. I'll put the shield away when dueling friends, but against people I don't know I play my class.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on October 13, 2014, 09:41:24 pm
Are you NA Player? EU has lots of really good shielders who could wreck your ass in a few seconds. Please, consider it. Simply because you use a shield doesn't mean you're bad player. I use it for banner, nudge, and pissing off 2handers because the game is filled to the brim with them.

It's the same as crossbowmen and archers. Difference? Small, just different gameplay. There are lots of 2h players who suck really badly, they rely on spamming or crushthrough. And there are also lots of shield players who suck (Huskarl Shield crutchers who just hold right mouse button and never attack) etc.

Yes, I'm an NA player, although I do rarely play these days.

All I meant to claim is that in NA Duel, if a player is using a shield, he is not likely to be very good. Certainly, there must be more than one good shield-using duelists in NA, but they are rare. I've played in EU several times, both strategus battles and NA1, and I agree with you; there are shielders there that will kick my ass. It is tough to determine how much ping is a factor, but I've no doubt they would give me trouble even on equal footing with ping.

You must understand, I'm not saying that shield-using players are bad. Nothing like that at all.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Lord Voren on October 14, 2014, 01:04:06 am
Yes, I'm an NA player, although I do rarely play these days.

All I meant to claim is that in NA Duel, if a player is using a shield, he is not likely to be very good. Certainly, there must be more than one good shield-using duelists in NA, but they are rare. I've played in EU several times, both strategus battles and NA1, and I agree with you; there are shielders there that will kick my ass. It is tough to determine how much ping is a factor, but I've no doubt they would give me trouble even on equal footing with ping.

You must understand, I'm not saying that shield-using players are bad. Nothing like that at all.

Then what are you saying? This is a post to discus the biased of the duel server and the shit talking that comes from 2hs against non 2hs. So, in NA1 everyone duels everyone, stop shit talking, have fun, if it beats you, learn from it, do it again, and get better. Im tired of this Rock Paper Scissors were Paper bitchs about the OPness of Scissors. Learn how to fight against what beats you, grow as a player, not a flaming troll. Not saying you are, but this is for everyone. Grow as a person, grow as a player, grow as a community.   
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Shemaforash on October 14, 2014, 01:13:42 am
(you know, the entire point of the game)

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Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Sandersson Jankins on October 14, 2014, 02:27:48 am
Then what are you saying? This is a post to discus the biased of the duel server and the shit talking that comes from 2hs against non 2hs. So, in NA1 everyone duels everyone, stop shit talking, have fun, if it beats you, learn from it, do it again, and get better. Im tired of this Rock Paper Scissors were Paper bitchs about the OPness of Scissors. Learn how to fight against what beats you, grow as a player, not a flaming troll. Not saying you are, but this is for everyone. Grow as a person, grow as a player, grow as a community.

Are you kidding me?

Read my posts, m8. I specifically stated in my first one that I don't talk shit to anyone using shields in the duel server, nor should anyone. If someone has a problem with it, you can solve the issue before it really becomes one by simply not dueling the person. I was stating that to imply that there is causation between someone using a shield and being "bad" is incorrect. I say that there is often correlation between the two because many newer players will go to NA3 with a shield and perform poorly.

also lol @ "shit-talking from 2h against non-2h" is this nigga serious? a very sizable portion of the community will (jokingly or not) talk mad shit on people just for using 2h. Of course, I guess a large portion of the community will talk mad shit on anyone and everyone but themselves and their clique, so that is a moot point.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: BlindGuy on October 14, 2014, 02:47:59 am
I'm using shield on duel for the same reason...

No Harpag, w/e you tell yourself, you use a shield because you are truly fucking awful at this game. Im sure you are great at organising nice lists of cd-keys, asperging like mad over the strat map, but playing warband is not your strong suit. Infact its not even in your pack.

EDIT:

Mocking Noobag made me forget my point I was going to make in this thread :D

Shields are not for fighting with. They just are not. They slow you down, they are not reliable when it comes to block coverage, they just are not for fighting. If you use a shield in a 1v1 fight you are gimping yourself.

Shields are for putting between your pretty face and bundle of stickss cumming streams of arrows and bolts at you, that is their purpose. But: 1h is the least viable option for 1v1. Both polearms and 2h have longer, faster, more damaging weapons. Currently the most broken things ingame are curved 2handers and w/e the fuck that idiot Tydeus has done to polearm animations/speed. But if you ARE going to use a 1hander, always take shield skill, being able to run straight for ranged fucks is priceless. But you also gotta make sure you rebind "Drop shield" to something convenient.

Anyone with anything even vaguely axe shaped comes my way I drop my shield, because I value it too much to use in melee.

As for dueling: if people are giving you shit about what you are using, press ESC, player list, muted, done, happydays.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Harpag on October 14, 2014, 03:00:17 am
Don't even try trolling me about my skill lel - I'm very relaxed nab  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: BlindGuy on October 14, 2014, 03:02:51 am
Don't even try trolling me about my skill lel - I'm very relaxed nab  :mrgreen:

I couldn't troll you about your skill lvl: you cannot point and laugh at something that doesn't excist.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Lord Voren on October 14, 2014, 03:22:38 am
Get out of here Eu guy, dont bring your drama to our shit. This is about dues and shields, not cock measuring....
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Shemaforash on October 14, 2014, 03:45:14 am
I don't think you're in the position to talk bad about about Harpag's skill
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Smoothrich on October 14, 2014, 08:02:33 am
Basically, all of the good players completely understand how dominant you can be as a shielder. I'm pretty sure every "2handed-cav-polearm hero" etc has played multiple gens as shielders, and very likely got an even higher KD then their ten gens as whatever melee class.

Being a shielder isn't hard. It's hilariously easy, like heavy armor long 2handed/polearm backpedaling.

Veteran cRPG players who are comfortable as a shielder are easily some of the most impactful in most Battle situations, and understand animations in Warband enough to wreck even highly skilled duelists in duels, since 1hand can be played in a fast, aggressive, skillful way and has high-danger swings to counter any footwork.

What we all uniformly recognize as shit, is turtle shielders. People who don't even dare try to get inside swings, who just pivot around holding RMB whenever their opponent winds up. Backpedaling, RMB'ing, doing nothing, randomly swinging in between the bored 2hander/polearms 10th feint/spam combo trying to make something happen and then cheering "heh.. noob 2hand spammers.."

And this is the kind of player who uses shields on duel. Shitty noobs. I, and I'm sure everyone else here, has never had a fun duel with, and feels nothing but a lack of respect for, the Shielder on Duel. Do everyone a favor and go on siege if you want to practice instead (if anyone even plays siege still lol dead mod)

Also my main point is what kind of pussy makes an entire thread on General Discussion saying people insulted him on the duel server? People do that all the time, because cRPG is filled with raging spergs, like most videogames. Expect people to shit talk you for any perceived weakness, especially if you appear to be some thinks-is-good-tryhard noob who uses overpowered tactics ineffectively and is just trash in all ways. Born 2 be trolled
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Veniathan on October 14, 2014, 12:11:08 pm
What we all uniformly recognize as shit, is turtle shielders. People who don't even dare try to get inside swings, who just pivot around holding RMB whenever their opponent winds up. Backpedaling, RMB'ing, doing nothing, randomly swinging in between the bored 2hander/polearms 10th feint/spam combo trying to make something happen and then cheering "heh.. noob 2hand spammers.."

Basically what this man said. There are good shielders who block when it's necessary, help teammates from arrows, attack, kill. And then there are the turtle shielders.

>Take Huscarl
>Hold RMB
>????
>Profit
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Ubba_Ragnarsson on October 14, 2014, 12:50:24 pm
My own personal opinion on this is, I find fighting shielders boring on duel server. I do use an axe and fight very few shielders a challenge and the ones that are are generally pure agi whores who are on my toes circling me left slash left slash left slash left slash.... you get the idea. So its lose lose fighting them. Boring if they fight as a balanced build and boring a frustrating if they are an agi whore. However I don't insult them. Play however you find it fun.
Title: Re: Shield usage on duel server
Post by: Macropus on October 14, 2014, 01:02:10 pm
I couldn't troll you about your skill lvl: you cannot point and laugh at something that doesn't excist.
Wow, that was a strong one.