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Title: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 14, 2014, 07:51:28 pm
Original shooting of an unarmed 18 year old Michael Brown (and then it looks like an execution to finish him off): http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri

politicians arrested (for "not listening"):http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/antonio-french_n_5677157.html

reporters arrested: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/ryan-reilly-ferguson-arrest_n_5678528.html?1408030697

Pretty ridiculous that the right to peaceably assemble (which is part of the 1st amendment) no longer applies to this country.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Nehvar on August 14, 2014, 08:54:20 pm
The police have become just another armed gang--albeit with fancier colors.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Oberyn on August 14, 2014, 08:55:42 pm
"Peacefully assemble". Is that what they're calling riots and looting these days?
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Franke on August 14, 2014, 10:00:29 pm
Pretty ridiculous that the right to peaceably assemble (which is part of the 1st amendment) no longer applies to this country.

Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on August 14, 2014, 10:19:49 pm
I just want to state that I live literally about 10 minutes away from this, so I consider my comments more relevant than all of yours.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Prpavi on August 14, 2014, 10:28:48 pm
I just want to state that I live literally about 10 minutes away from this, so I consider my comments more relevant than all of yours.

Why aren't you out fighting the power with your brothers then?
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on August 14, 2014, 11:04:10 pm
Because I am an educated black man.

As a side note, I watched a video during these riots of a Quiktrip convenience store being looted and burned to the ground. There had to have been 50 people in the video, and every single one o them was black.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Kafein on August 14, 2014, 11:07:29 pm
Because I am an educated black man.

As a side note, I watched a video during these riots of a Quiktrip convenience store being looted and burned to the ground. There had to have been 50 people in the video, and every single one o them was black.

Doesn't change that reporter's story
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 14, 2014, 11:07:57 pm
"Peacefully assemble". Is that what they're calling riots and looting these days?

No rioting and looting is rioting and looting.  But there are plenty who are peaceably assembling (which is the majority of people gathered).  There have been elected officials arrested (and released because they had no justification for being arrested in the first place), as well as reporters documenting what is going on.  Some reporters from Al Jazeera America were off by themselves and the police launched tear gas at them (they clearly were "Press" and had mounted cameras and lighting setup by them). 
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Jeade on August 14, 2014, 11:08:10 pm
I just want to state that I live literally about 10 minutes away from this, so I consider my comments more relevant than all of yours.

Shit, I lived a half mile from where he was shot. whatchugot m8.

I'm not sure if I buy the story about the police officer executing the guy in broad daylight, noon, on a Saturday, in the middle of the street.
I'm not sure if I buy the story that the police officer gave about him shooting hurriedly in self defense while being assaulted in his car, as the body was 35 feet from the patrol car.
My estimation is:

Remember that witnesses have a tendency to corroborate their stories.
I'm NOT saying the police officer was in the right or wrong, however, we need to be careful here.
Hopefully the STL County PD and FBI will be able to judge this incident better than the Ferguson PD would (because we all know how that would turn out).

I can give a story about a robbery incident that happened to a neighbor in an apartment the room over around dusk (this was two years ago, Ferguson).
There was a whole shitload of yelling and I went over to the door, phone in hand, and looked through the peep hole to see what the hell was going on.
The door was ajar, two men ran out yelling. Everyone was yelling, cursing.
I dialed 911, gave the address and said there was a robbery in progress.
Everything calmed down (mostly) and I went out to check what was going on once the police arrived a few minutes later.
The neighbors swore nothing had happened while I told the police what I'd saw and heard.
Police left and the neighbors were now pissed at me for getting the police involved when they were going to "solve" it themselves.
Next day their kids were throwing rocks at my car on the street.
Not even kidding.

TL;DR, a short summary: The people there have never gotten along with police, nor the government.
Ferguson is primarily black, the government and police are vastly white, and there's been complaints for years that no one in power gives a damn about their community.
I can't say if that's necessarily true -it very well may be- but the recent events have been the result of years' worth of steam in a fucked boiler.

A buddy of mine had his house burglarized the other night. People have been mugged, murdered, shot at, businesses and homes looted and torched.
There were drive-by's where people were wildly shooting into local businesses.
THE mall in Saint Louis, just the other day, had a massive brawl break out.
Shit's out of control, and frankly, the police have to control the situation before they can restore order, and shit's gonna get real with 300 people rioting and shooting for a week solid.

That's not to say I agree with everything the police are doing (I don't), but the city can't just bend over backwards because the police are scary and tear gas hurts my eyes.
It's out of control. It's disheartening.
It's awful to see these rioters, separate from the peaceful folks, taking advantage of Mike's death. It's awful to see the peaceful protesters getting lumped in with the bad.
It's awful to see the rioters giving more ammunition to the flagrant racists, and it's pathetic that there's still so many white people eating up the anti-black pseudoscience we were given 150 years ago.
It's shit that a few bad apples can give a terrible reputation to a mass of people - and that works for the protesters, anyone of any race, and the police force too.

Anyway, sorry for the rant, but I'd like for people to be as rational as possible, even when shit hits the fan.
It seems like all that does is piss everyone off even more, particularly on Twitter (Christ, the notifications kept coming till 5AM).
I'm just afraid to take sides, is all. Too early to do that.

Gov. Nixon has urged the police present to be more mindful of those who are peaceful, so hopefully there will be more discretion tonight and in the near future.
Crossing fingers.

Edit:

Antonio French is a good guy, but I can see how he may have been difficult with the police presence.
For the past week, he's been "on the frontlines," per se, taking videos of everything going on.
He's an alderman for the... 27th ward? Saint Louis City, not Ferguson, but regardless.
I met him when I was running the outreach half of a Green Party aldermanic candidate a couple years ago.
He's a genuinely nice guy, and has been concerned for the people of Ferguson, and their government, for years now.
Ferguson is a hot topic in the local political scene there, first hand.

As for the reporters, I'm surprised.
So was the police chief though, and they were released within the hour as soon as the chief discovered they were press.
For the record, the McDonalds they were arrested at was a "staging area" for rioters each day for the past five days, and I believe (correct me if I'm wrong), a riot was taking place a block or two away when they were detained.
Still, surprising to say the least. My best guess is the officers were told to get everyone out of the building (potentially by the franchise owner), and the reporters didn't want to leave.
There's a video of one of the reporters, anyway, who had a video running when it happened at the McDonalds.
He said over and over to the officer that he was working and didn't want to leave but never once identified himself as press.
Tried to find the video again last night but it was buried in a livefeed.
Frankly, the whole situation is insane. So much shit flying everywhere and I can't keep up with it.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Kafein on August 14, 2014, 11:12:40 pm
why do you even live there
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Oberyn on August 14, 2014, 11:15:21 pm
TL;DR:

Some black kid got shot by a white cop instead of another black kid (which happens pretty much every day), so they decided to burn down and loot the few businesses existing in their own neighborhoods. I expect we'll hear about racist business owners refusing to reopen them in the future in a dastardly plan to keep the black man down because they hate their community, despite the fact that many of the business owners are black themselves.
It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with culture.

why do you even live there

Most people who can probably moved away long ago. "White flight" is a common phenomenon in the US, but I expect it applies as equally to anyone there regardless of race who doesn't want to live in a fucking shithole ghetto.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Osiris on August 14, 2014, 11:16:23 pm
Quote
Original shooting of an unarmed 18 year old Michael Brown (and then it looks like an execution to finish him off): http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri

hmm eye witness being the dead guys best buddy. pretty sure he will be unbiased if his friend was doing something he shouldn't have been,

also inb4 obligatory "he was a good boy who never got into any trouble, was never in any gangs or nothing" then it turns out he was a gangbanger drug dealer or something.


hmmm story seems to go like this from that kid. Him and his buddy were just walking alone when the cop started swearing at them. then he pulled up next to them and grabbed him. After pulling him a little the cops said im gonna shoot you, then he proceeds to just kill the guy..

sounds 100% legit



gonna have to wait for a more official storyi think
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 14, 2014, 11:20:20 pm
Will be nice to hear some sort of official autopsy showing where he was shot and from what distances.  But I tend to believe there's some truth to him being shot from a distance while being unarmed.  If he was shot in the back, it should be pretty obvious.   
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 14, 2014, 11:21:03 pm
Pretty ridiculous that the right to peaceably assemble (which is part of the 1st amendment) no longer applies to this country.

BUTBUTBUT?!

FREEDOM

Did I do that right?
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Kafein on August 14, 2014, 11:22:28 pm
TL;DR:

Some black kid got shot by a white cop instead of another black kid (which happens pretty much every day), so they decided to burn down and loot the few businesses existing in their own neighborhoods. I expect we'll hear about racist business owners refusing to reopen them in the future in a dastardly plan to keep the black man down because they hate their community, despite the fact that many of the business owners are black themselves.
It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with culture.

It had everything to do with race during the apartheid, which is ultimately one of the big reasons this kind of shit is happening today. I'm not saying there should be positive discrimination to "right" an historical wrong, as that would be extremely stupid. However, why is it that in a black neighborhood the entire administration and more importantly the cops are white? Why is it that the local schools are shit (I'm guessing they are)?
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Jeade on August 14, 2014, 11:25:31 pm
made an edit to the original post I made.

"White flight" is a common phenomenon in the US, but I expect it applies as equally to anyone there regardless of race who doesn't want to live in a fucking shithole ghetto.

Pretty much, yes. But if you look at the stats in Saint Louis County, which spans miles and miles, it's, I'd guess, 90% white.
The town I grew up in was 99% white, 0.3% black, and the rest was mostly Asian.

Will be nice to hear some sort of official autopsy showing where he was shot and from what distances.  But I tend to believe there's some truth to him being shot from a distance while being unarmed.  If he was shot in the back, it should be pretty obvious.   

Yep. Body was 35 feet from the patrol car. His mother said she saw 8 bullet wounds in her son.
The coroner has only confirmed he was dead from gunshot wounds.
I'm assuming they're waiting to release the rest of the information until things calm down, after the investigation, or maybe just never.

Why is it that the local schools are shit (I'm guessing they are)?

Can confirm that much. Partially the reason the community is and has been so angered at the local government.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on August 14, 2014, 11:30:38 pm
thank god i live on the other side of the missouri river, in the wonderful land of white folk known as SAINT CHARLES

right, jeade?
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Oberyn on August 14, 2014, 11:31:14 pm
One of the many riots in Paris started over a simular incident. Three teenagers were running from the police and hid themselves in a power generator station. They got electrocuted and two of them died. The city erupted in riots, vandalism, looting, car burnings, assaults and violence for days. Can you remind me of the "apartheid" responsible for this?
It's the fucked up ghetto culture, pure and simple. We can argue back and forth about the causes behind the creation of these ghetto cultures all day, I don't pretend I have the answer, and racism towards minorities probably plays a part. But I don't see how you can deny that it is the central problem.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 14, 2014, 11:32:32 pm
BUTBUTBUT?!

FREEDOM

Did I do that right?

Keep it up and we'll free the shit out of you
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Jeade on August 14, 2014, 11:34:08 pm
thank god i live on the other side of the missouri river, in the wonderful land of white folk known as SAINT CHARLES

right, jeade?

The downtown is great, man.
Hopefully you guys keep safe over there.

636 SOUTH COUNTY REPRESENT
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on August 14, 2014, 11:34:11 pm
jeade we should just sit here and try and figure out how many of the same places we've been to IRL

LHI?
Del Taco?
UMSL?
Busch Stadium (old and new)?
Fast Eddy's?
the firebird?
delmar boulevard?
the pageant?
city museum?
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Oberyn on August 14, 2014, 11:39:58 pm
You should just meet up IRL and fuck already. Bonus points if it's in the burning ruins of a liquor store.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Jeade on August 14, 2014, 11:45:16 pm
LHI?
Del Taco?
UMSL?
Busch Stadium (old and new)?
Fast Eddy's?
the firebird?
delmar boulevard?
the pageant?

I'm game for mindless rabble.
Del Taco, yes. Fuck yes.
Busch Stadium, of course. Go Cards mafucka.
Firebird, yes.
Delmar, I worked on the street there for a year (huehue but it's not what you think).
On the topic of Delmar: Snarfs, Tivoli, Blueberry Hill, Blick, Ben &jerry's, Avalon, Cheeseology, HSB, Mission, The Pageant, Ranoush, Rocket Fizz, Star Clipper, and of course, Vintage Vinyl.
Tons more but why list everything on Delmar.
Eros Greek Tavern in St. Charles is great too.

Edit: Almost forgot
FUCK YEA CITY MUSEUM. The best damn place in the whole city.
And they have a bar there too, now.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Oberyn on August 14, 2014, 11:50:31 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Heights_riot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_riots_of_1992
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Petersburg,_Florida_riot_of_1996

Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on August 15, 2014, 12:11:46 am
fuck yeah eros is good, i love their back patio at night with the lights, good place for a date, i actually have pictures of me proving i have been there

Ever had Grandma's Cookies from Main Street St. Charles (the same street Eros is on)? Been to that weird civil war festival thing? Been to Picasso's Coffee Shop?

oh and fuck yeah imo's
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Kafein on August 15, 2014, 12:14:02 am
One of the many riots in Paris started over a simular incident. Three teenagers were running from the police and hid themselves in a power generator station. They got electrocuted and two of them died. The city erupted in riots, vandalism, looting, car burnings, assaults and violence for days. Can you remind me of the "apartheid" responsible for this?
It's the fucked up ghetto culture, pure and simple. We can argue back and forth about the causes behind the creation of these ghetto cultures all day, I don't pretend I have the answer, and racism towards minorities probably plays a part. But I don't see how you can deny that it is the central problem.


In France there was no apartheid, but the immigrants who go on riots are also much more recent than the blacks in the USA. If you consider that blacks living in the USA were in another country before and became immigrants in the USA when the apartheid ended (which is pretty damn close to the truth, for all intents and purposes), then you get pretty much the same picture.

Also yes, of course it's ghetto culture, but the story doesn't stop there. it's also poor economical prospects that predominantly originate in poor and more importantly very unequal education and services. When immigrants get rich they flee the ghettos like the natives, so it's not so much about the culture of whatever immigrants happen to be there, but rather the situation of poor immigration itself. Those that create ghettos are more the rich going away than the poor coming in, as the quality of the institutions immediately plummet when the rich go away. The reason the rich start to go away in the first place is not the decreasing standards of living due to immigration (because there isn't), and I'll just point to this book http://books.google.be/books/about/Micromotives_and_Macrobehavior.html?id=AOsWGCuRDhkC&redir_esc=y for further insights.

But never mind, this is a dating thread now :D
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Jeade on August 15, 2014, 12:19:13 am
fuck yeah eros is good, i love their back patio at night with the lights, good place for a date, i actually have pictures of me proving i have been there

Ever had Grandma's Cookies from Main Street St. Charles (the same street Eros is on)? Been to that weird civil war festival thing? Been to Picasso's Coffee Shop?

oh and fuck yeah imo's

Never been on the back patio as I was only there for a couple shows that friends were playing.
No, no and no to the rest of them.
The civil war festival rings a bell though, and I'm pretty sure someone asked if I wanted to go with them at some point.
Picasso's, I've also heard about from friends. If they make a good dirty chai, I'll be visiting next time I'm in town.
Fucking no one brews actual chai and gets the right amount of espresso in there.
It's always some horrid mix of chai concentrate from a jug and bitter, shit espresso.
Or too much cardamom... which I didn't even think was possible until going to Kaldis.

Cecil is better doe.

it's also poor economical prospects that predominantly originate in poor and more importantly very unequal education and services. When immigrants get rich they flee the ghettos like the natives, so it's not so much about the culture of whatever immigrants happen to be there, but rather the situation of poor immigration itself. Those that create ghettos are more the rich going away than the poor coming in, as the quality of the institutions immediately plummet when the rich go away. The reason the rich start to go away in the first place is not the decreasing standards of living due to immigration (because there isn't), and I'll just point to this book http://books.google.be/books/about/Micromotives_and_Macrobehavior.html?id=AOsWGCuRDhkC&redir_esc=y for further insights.

Absolutely hit the nail on the head.

But never mind, this is a dating thread now :D

We can do a three way.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on August 15, 2014, 12:23:39 am
They're both pretty fucking fantastic.

I don't get particularly picky about my coffee or tea though because I'm just a greasy internet nerd, so I can't say much to that.

Well I'm happy I've finally had a conversation about RL with a cRPG player.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Jeade on August 15, 2014, 12:29:14 am
Well I'm happy I've finally had a conversation about RL with a cRPG player.

Yep, I believe I've met my socializing quota for the year. horey!1

Also, off/on topic, a pretty great video I saw earlier this morning about the Ferguson riots.

Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on August 15, 2014, 12:34:54 am
Hey I saw that on Facebook. I didn't know how to feel.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Jeade on August 15, 2014, 01:00:10 am
Hey I saw that on Facebook. I didn't know how to feel.

That's where I found it too, actually.

I think he's got a hell of a point.
"White flight" is absolutely part of the problem, and there's whole books written about it.
The fact that he's understanding that white people aren't just the problem is where he totally gets it right.
He's saying that they do have freedom (while rights issues surely exist), and they need to overcome the poor schools, bad neighborhoods, etc. and make a difference within their communities.
If everyone pitched in and ditched racism wholly, we'd probably already be there.

People who claim that violence or poverty is just part of a black person's nature really fucking irritates me.
To absolve white people from the equation isn't right, because we absolutely have something to do with the situation from which so many in the inner cities suffer.
Honestly, for me to even label it as "white people" isn't fair. It's a mess, and it's only loosely related to race.

I'd try going into detail, but I've been following everything for a week and my brain has checked out for the day.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Taser on August 15, 2014, 03:05:38 am
Yep, I believe I've met my socializing quota for the year. horey!1

Also, off/on topic, a pretty great video I saw earlier this morning about the Ferguson riots.


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Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: bilwit on August 15, 2014, 03:11:56 am
No surprise here. All cops are bastards. How do you answer a protest that has drawn attention of the national media? Military ballistic armor, APCs, snipers, turrets, light machine guns, etc. Good ole cops.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 15, 2014, 03:41:23 am
No surprise here. All cops are bastards. How do you answer a protest that has drawn attention of the national media? Military ballistic armor, APCs, snipers, turrets, light machine guns, etc. Good ole cops.
"A protest"...

Did you miss the small detail that they're looting and burning shit down, and a lot of them have guns? Robbing a doughnut store sure shows them pou-lice what's what.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Chosen1 on August 15, 2014, 04:57:35 am
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/antonio-french_n_5677157.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/14/ryan-reilly-ferguson-arrest_n_5678528.html?1408030697

huseby what kind of liberal garbage have you been reading
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Oberyn on August 15, 2014, 10:17:47 am
I wonder if there is a sum less than 'infinite' that would satisfy these idiots who think that all we need to do to solve these problems are PROGRAMS and FUNDING and EDUCATION.

Clearly the problem is a ghetto culture glorifying and excusing unprotected juvenile sex, alcohol/drugs, violence, absentee father-ism, broken homes, joblessness, truancy/dropping out, etc, etc.

Rural and trashy rednecks have lots of the same problems (drug abuse is rampant, alcohol, domestic violence, broken homes, joblessness), but somehow you don't see them trashing their own neighborhoods and looting liquor stores when Billy the methhead gets shot by cops for being a punk retard. Probably because they don't have the benefit of liberal bundle of stickss wringing their hands crying about how the poor disadvantaged trailer trash are totally not at fault and their completely misderected anger, violence and vandalism is totally understandable dontchaknow.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Angantyr on August 15, 2014, 11:55:32 am
The cultural self-image:
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Jeade on August 15, 2014, 12:15:35 pm
Rural and trashy rednecks have lots of the same problems (drug abuse is rampant, alcohol, domestic violence, broken homes, joblessness), but somehow you don't see them trashing their own neighborhoods and looting liquor stores when Billy the methhead gets shot by cops for being a punk retard.

Well, police shootings are incredibly rare, even in inner-city STL.
Saint Louis has always been known as the city that doesn't riot.
I think the last riot was in the early 60's?

Culture is a problem, but there are a lot of factors that play into this, race, unfortunately, still being relevant.
Programs, funding, and education would all be excellent starts.

As for things like gang violence, I might direct you to this here podcast (http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/487/harper-high-school-part-one).
Remember to also check out part two (http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/488/harper-high-school-part-two).
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Joseph Porta on August 15, 2014, 12:16:47 pm
Keep it up and we'll free the shit out of you

Liberate me, please!
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Chosen1 on August 15, 2014, 03:03:28 pm
Jeade, the truth is, minorities are more inclined to commit crimes no matter the circumstances. As a Latino myself, I really hate when people try to make excuses for blacks and hispanics, who turn to crime and leech off of welfare their whole lives.

The first step in fixing a problem is realizing that there IS one. We need to figure out why blacks and hispanics, despite being a fraction of the population, commit the majority of the crimes in the US.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Kafein on August 16, 2014, 12:52:58 am
Figure out why poor people commit crimes and you're done.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Jeade on August 16, 2014, 02:07:53 am
The first step in fixing a problem is realizing that there IS one. We need to figure out why blacks and hispanics, despite being a fraction of the population, commit the majority of the crimes in the US.

Oh, I totally agree there is a problem, and I won't say I think there's an easy answer or fix.
Surely, there's a cultural problem, but I'd hesitate to relate it directly to race.
Instead, I'd say a lot of it is the social and work environment many of these people are stuck in.
For instance, I don't think it's a coincidence that crime rates drop drastically as wealth increases; people can have home ownership, healthcare, good schools, pay for decent groceries, etc.*

Out here in the Bay Area, I'm not terribly concerned about walking through the Berkeley Hills at 3AM, but I'd rather sleep there on a sidewalk with money falling out of my pockets than hop down to downtown Oakland and take the train before morning.

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But yes, they also must be able to help themselves before much can be done.

*I am not actually qualified, but this is the Internet and that is my opinion.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Chosen1 on August 16, 2014, 02:54:32 am
No, they are not "stuck" in that environment at all. It's just this hood mentality minorities have, that it's ok to commit crime and leech off the government. All you have to do to make a better life for yourself is to just stay in school. My parents grew up in the shittiest parts of Texas, my mother lived on a farm and my dad grew up in the ghettos of Plano. Almost all of their friends dropped out because they just didn't want to put in the extra work to graduate and apply for college, and they thought higher education was only for white people. Even my parents' parents told them college was a long shot, but they knew that living check to check with a shitty retail job and food stamps was no way to live. They also figured out that if you actually fucking studied, you would be able to go to college. Who woulda thought?

They married and moved here to Frisco tx, a pretty mixed suburb of Dallas. Most people who live here have jobs and live pretty well. But what do I still fucking see at my school? Blacks and Hispanics not giving a damn about the opportunities they've been given, and dropping out or getting kicked out for selling drugs and shit. It really pisses me off, it's like we are defeating ourselves before we can even try, and then we blame whitey.

Another thing that grinds my gears, why do white liberals like you feel the need to make excuses for us? You don't know what it's like being a minority, and you are part of this problem by saying shit like it's all because of the income gap or institutionalized racism or some other bullshit like that. Some whites and Asians are poor too, but they don't commit 50% of the violent crimes in the country. Also, blacks who say shit like "da system is raycis" can fuck off back to Sierra Leone, if you don't rob stores and don't hit police officers, you won't get fucking shot.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Jeade on August 16, 2014, 04:54:12 am
You don't know what it's like being a minority

You're absolutely right, and that can make it difficult to approach something like this.

I linked a couple podcasts from This American Life above that cover the topic of gang violence in Chicago schools.
Listening to some of the students give interviews is really eye-opening on a number of topics, gang violence aside,
Some of it would totally be relevant to the next bit of your quote:

and you are part of this problem by saying shit like it's all because of the income gap or institutionalized racism or some other bullshit like that.

I would never say that, though it's certainly part of the problem, and a complex one to say the least.

Here's the two links!
Part one of Harper High (http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/487/harper-high-school-part-one), and part two. (http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/488/harper-high-school-part-two)
If anyone does have a couple hours and are free and/or willing to give it a listen, I'd urge you to do so.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Radament on August 16, 2014, 05:39:10 am
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so they were protesting for this right? that made me laugh how this world is fucked up...
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 16, 2014, 05:45:56 am
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so they were protesting for this right? that made me laugh how this world is fucked up...
What a shocking turn of events -- not.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Chosen1 on August 16, 2014, 06:11:05 am
Lmao, and all the liberal news outlets are on maximum damage control calling this "character assasination". No, he robbed a store and got what was coming to him, I say good riddance.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 16, 2014, 06:13:34 am
Hahaha, and you can see that the "eyewitness" is also featured in that video. Just happily letting his big friend bully the shopowner so they can flee with their stolen shit. So much for that guy's testimony.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: bilwit on August 16, 2014, 06:16:48 am
"A protest"...

Did you miss the small detail that they're looting and burning shit down, and a lot of them have guns? Robbing a doughnut store sure shows them pou-lice what's what.

Property damage is still acts of non-violent protest, sorry.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 16, 2014, 06:18:18 am
Property damage is still acts of non-violent protest, sorry.
Nope.

vi·o·lence noun \ˈvī-lən(t)s, ˈvī-ə-\
: the use of physical force to harm someone, to damage property, etc.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Taser on August 16, 2014, 07:22:15 am
Property damage is still acts of non-violent protest, sorry.

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Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 16, 2014, 08:10:16 am
Crime is a matter of degrees and the degree that really matters in society's eyes is the extent to which the criminal has asserted himself beyond his designated social class and status.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: bilwit on August 16, 2014, 08:30:48 am
Breaking a window isn't violence, just like how companies aren't people.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Taser on August 16, 2014, 08:38:43 am
Breaking a window isn't violence, just like how companies aren't people.

Sure it isn't. How is it not violent to break a window or property in general?

Companies not being people have nothing to do with what you originally said.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 16, 2014, 08:40:49 am
Breaking a window isn't violence, just like how companies aren't people.
That's not how the English language works, idiot.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/violence
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: bilwit on August 16, 2014, 08:47:29 am
Sure it isn't. How is it not violent to break a window or property in general?

Companies not being people have nothing to do with what you originally said.

It's the same parallel. Windows aren't people or living beings, they don't have natural rights. Throwing a brick at a window or spray painting a wall is not violence. Is this seriously the first time you've heard of this argument? You guys should read a book sometime. The definition of violence extending from anything other than "bodily harm" is just 20th century capitalist bullshit.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 16, 2014, 08:53:22 am
It's the same parallel. Windows aren't people or living beings, they don't have natural rights. Throwing a brick at a window or spray painting a wall is not violence. Is this seriously the first time you've heard of this argument? You guys should read a book sometime. The definition of violence extending from anything other than "bodily harm" is just 20th century capitalist bullshit.
Yeah, so you'd have a case if this was the 19th century -- but it isn't, so when you talk about NON VIOLENT PROTESTS everyone who's not retarded will laugh you out of the room.

Putting aside definitions for a moment, let's explore your retardation a bit further.

If you think destroying people's livelihoods isn't likely to turn into what you seem to think is "real violence", then you are, once again, retarded. What happens when those people defend their property? Putting aside again the fact that if they don't and have no insurance or something screws up along the way, they're fucked... thanks to these "non violent protests."

So yeah, newsflash: you're clueless.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Taser on August 16, 2014, 08:56:09 am
It's the same parallel. Windows aren't people or living beings, they don't have natural rights. Throwing a brick at a window or spray painting a wall is not violence. Is this seriously the first time you've heard of this argument? You guys should read a book sometime. The definition of violence extending from anything other than "bodily harm" is just 20th century capitalist bullshit.

Its not the first time I've heard it. I've heard it many times. Mostly from people who dispute ownership of things.

But if you break my window, you've done damage to my window. I must replace that window. It directly affects me. It is a violent act and to try and spin it as a rights thing is laughable.

You're telling me that if I break your car windows, you're not going to be pissed and think I did something violent to your car? Please.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 16, 2014, 08:58:56 am
Its not the first time I've heard it. I've heard it many times. Mostly from people who dispute ownership of things.

But if you break my window, you've done damage to my window. I must replace that window. It directly affects me. It is a violent act and to try and spin it as a rights thing is laughable.

You're telling me that if I break your car windows, you're not going to be pissed and think I did something violent to your car? Please.
What do you mean by pissed? You know, that word had a very different meaning in the fifteenth century.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: bilwit on August 16, 2014, 09:00:41 am
Putting aside definitions for a moment, let's explore your retardation a bit further.

If you think destroying people's livelihoods isn't likely to turn into what you seem to think is "real violence", then you are, once again, retarded. What happens when those people defend their property? Putting aside again the fact that if they don't and have no insurance or something screws up along the way, they're fucked... thanks to these "non violent protests."

So yeah, newsflash: you're clueless.

You can tell someone's panties are in a twist when they start personally attacking you as a means to try to argue a point. It's just a bad look, Xant.

Throwing a brick into Well's Fargo is not destroying anyone's livelihood. Setting a CEO's car on fire is not destroying anyone's livelihood. Smashing a window of your local coffee shop isn't even going to destroy anyone's livelihood so I'm not really sure what you're getting at here. The concept of property is a complete farce anyway. You can possess something but you'll never truly own it.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Taser on August 16, 2014, 09:02:02 am
What do you mean by pissed? You know, that word had a very different meaning in the fifteenth century.

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Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: bilwit on August 16, 2014, 09:02:29 am
Its not the first time I've heard it. I've heard it many times. Mostly from people who dispute ownership of things.

But if you break my window, you've done damage to my window. I must replace that window. It directly affects me. It is a violent act and to try and spin it as a rights thing is laughable.

You're telling me that if I break your car windows, you're not going to be pissed and think I did something violent to your car? Please.

So you're saying it's violent because you have to buy a new window? Sure it indirectly affects you, but it isn't violence. Act of aggression? Maybe. Violent? No.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 16, 2014, 09:06:43 am
You can tell someone's panties are in a twist when they start personally attacking you as a means to try to argue a point. It's just a bad look, Xant.
None of the points I made were in any way logically related or dependent on the personal attacks, friend.

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The concept of property is a complete farce anyway. You can possess something but you'll never truly own it.

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Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Taser on August 16, 2014, 09:12:14 am
So you're saying it's violent because you have to buy a new window? Sure it indirectly affects you, but it isn't violence. Act of aggression? Maybe. Violent? No.

An act of aggression that isn't violent? skepticalhippo.jpg

But I see from your comment to xant that you don't believe in ownership. Or at least some very flimsy version of it.

Let me just propose a scenario to you and see how you respond.

If you burn my car and its my sole means of transportation to my job, you have destroyed my ability to get to my job. I get fired.

Is that a bad thing and would burning my car be a violent/bad act?

If so, why is that different from simply breaking my car windows? Is the sole way to justify it "well the livelihood of that person isn't endangered"?
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Taser on August 16, 2014, 09:13:11 am
Guys, isn't it pretty pointless to discuss a matter when you have totally different views about it that exclude each other? But go on, it's fun to read  :D

It is but sometimes I run across someone that actually is able to argue their side and I have to give them props.

Plus I gotta sperglord it up sometime in these forums.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 16, 2014, 09:14:25 am
The thing that really gets me with people like bilwit is that they are, without fail, complete and utter hypocrites. If someone walks up and breaks their computer for the lulz, you bet your berries they're not just going to sit there, smile and spout bromides about how ownership doesn't really exist.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: bilwit on August 16, 2014, 09:22:14 am
An act of aggression that isn't violent? skepticalhippo.jpg

But I see from your comment to xant that you don't believe in ownership. Or at least some very flimsy version of it.

Let me just propose a scenario to you and see how you respond.

If you burn my car and its my sole means of transportation to my job, you have destroyed my ability to get to my job. I get fired.

Is that a bad thing and would burning my car be a violent/bad act?

If so, why is that different from simply breaking my car windows? Is the sole way to justify it "well the livelihood of that person isn't endangered"?

That's a stretch and very narrow viewpoint. You can ride a bike, take public transportation, bum a ride from a friend or coworker, rent a car, etc and on top of that, you can tell your boss the situation and they should at least be lenient. Now you are arguing that violence == "bad" which is also a stretch. On top of this your job != your life anyway so the whole argument is void. Would you consider flirting with a coworker and being tagged for sexual harassment at the workplace an act of violence because you put your own "livelihood" in jeopardy? No, because if you get fired for any reason at any point you will still live on the next day and the day after that. Xant was the first person to bring up "livelihood" as a requirement which I don't agree with. Violence is strictly bodily harm.

The thing that really gets me with people like bilwit is that they are, without fail, complete and utter hypocrites. If someone walks up and breaks their computer for the lulz, you bet your berries they're not just going to sit there, smile and spout bromides about how ownership doesn't really exist.

And there it is with the namecalling again. Like I said, property damage can be an act of aggression that could potentially incite violence as a reaction, but it isn't an act of violence in of itself.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 16, 2014, 09:26:35 am
And there it is with the namecalling again. Like I said, property damage can be an act of aggression that could potentially incite violence as a reaction, but it isn't an act of violence in of itself.
It is according to dictionaries. You don't get to decide what "violence" means.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Taser on August 16, 2014, 09:33:50 am
That's a stretch and very narrow viewpoint. You can ride a bike, take public transportation, bum a ride from a friend or coworker, rent a car, etc and on top of that, you can tell your boss the situation and they should at least be lenient.

It was a hypothetical. Obviously I can tell my boss some dude torched my car and I can't come in today or will be late. I noticed you didn't actually answer the question.

Is it a bad thing to torch my car if it is my means of transportation? Is that different from simply breaking the car windows?

If so then why?

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Now you are arguing that violence == "bad" which is also a stretch.

Its not inherently bad or good but most people when they see their car torched see it as a bad thing simply because it was their car. The whole idea of owning that car thus depriving them of their possession.

I would think you'd be pissed if something happened to your car/house/computer/etc which would be hypocritical.

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On top of this your job != your life anyway so the whole argument is void. Would you consider flirting with a coworker and being tagged for sexual harassment at the workplace an act of violence because you put your own "livelihood" in jeopardy? No, because if you get fired for any reason at any point you will still live on the next day and the day after that. Xant was the first person to bring up "livelihood" as a requirement which I don't agree with. Violence is strictly bodily harm.

Most of this is gibberish but I brought up livelihood since you used it as a defense after xant brought it up. "no one's livelihood is endangered if a ceo's car is torched" well some people really would have a problem with that and would lose their livelihood (which is their job.. not their life)

You also ignored my skepticism of an act of aggression not being violent. Interesting.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: bilwit on August 16, 2014, 09:48:43 am
It was a hypothetical. Obviously I can tell my boss some dude torched my car and I can't come in today or will be late. I noticed you didn't actually answer the question.

Is it a bad thing to torch my car if it is my means of transportation? Is that different from simply breaking the car windows?

If so then why?

Its not inherently bad or good but most people when they see their car torched see it as a bad thing simply because it was their car. The whole idea of owning that car thus depriving them of their possession.

I would think you'd be pissed if something happened to your car/house/computer/etc which would be hypocritical.

Most of this is gibberish but I brought up livelihood since you used it as a defense after xant brought it up. "no one's livelihood is endangered if a ceo's car is torched" well some people really would have a problem with that and would lose their livelihood (which is their job.. not their life)

You also ignored my skepticism of an act of aggression not being violent. Interesting.

You're straying really far away from the the violence versus non-violence argument but I'll entertain this. Is smashing up some random person's car for no particular reason "bad"? Uhh probably. Will someone be likely be upset afterward? Yes. Was it an act of violence? No, not particularly. Aggression can lead to violence as a consequence. If someone calls you a twat or scribbles on your book while you're reading it, are they being violent? No. However you could take this as an act of aggression and then punch him in the face, which would then be an act of violence.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Taser on August 16, 2014, 10:04:55 am
You're straying really far away from the the violence versus non-violence argument but I'll entertain this. Is smashing up some random person's car for no particular reason "bad"? Uhh probably. Will someone be likely be upset afterward? Yes. Was it an act of violence? No, not particularly. Aggression can lead to violence as a consequence. If someone calls you a twat or scribbles on your book while you're reading it, are they being violent? No. However you could take this as an act of aggression and then punch him in the face, which would then be an act of violence.

I'm not straying far at all. Its your logic in labeling something non violent or violent against an item vs a person. Its entirely relevant to your idea of violence vs non violence.

I wouldn't call someone calling me a twat an act of aggression. Unless he called me a twat and said he was going to fist me.

But an act of aggression such as smashing someone's car is an act of violence. Trying to say it isn't and was simply an act of aggression is admitting its a violent, or at the very least destructive, act. You're playing a semantics game that doesn't apply.

Thus trying to say its merely an act of aggression (which is an act that threatens or carries out violence/destruction) is just trying to play it off.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 16, 2014, 10:18:26 am
This whole argument is absurd. When bilwit said "it's a form of non-violent protest" I for one assumed he was using the agreed upon English definitions, but apparently he was just making some sort of a philosophical statement -- so he's actually trying to argue against capitalism, not even talking about the current event.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Taser on August 16, 2014, 10:23:46 am
This whole argument is absurd. When bilwit said "it's a form of non-violent protest" I for one assumed he was using the agreed upon English definitions, but apparently he was just making some sort of a philosophical statement -- so he's actually trying to argue against capitalism, not even talking about the current event.

Yeah its pretty much more of a philosophical statement than a comment on the protests themselves.

I need to sleep though so unless you want to continue this.. I'm out.

Was fun sperging it up with you tho billy.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Jeade on August 16, 2014, 10:27:18 am
To be fair, people are protesting over the shooting, not the strong-arm robbery which just hit the surface today.
What does irritate me are the people who claim the shooting and robbery were unrelated.

If a guy just robbed a store and an hour later, a police officer confronts him, even if the officer didn't know (which he stated he didn't), the thief is going to be really fucking on edge.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: bilwit on August 16, 2014, 10:28:37 am
This whole argument is absurd. When bilwit said "it's a form of non-violent protest" I for one assumed he was using the agreed upon English definitions, but apparently he was just making some sort of a philosophical statement -- so he's actually trying to argue against capitalism, not even talking about the current event.

Here, I'll try to spell it out for you as clearly as possible. The following is a list of items considered "property damage" to either most states or the feds (also listed sequentially escalating in degree). If you find that any one of these do not qualify as "violence" then we are already in agreement.

Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 16, 2014, 10:40:01 am
Here, I'll try to spell it out for you as clearly as possible. The following is a list of items considered "property damage" to either most states or the feds (also listed sequentially escalating in degree). If you find that any one of these do not qualify as "violence" then we are already in agreement.

  • homeless people living at a public park
  • spray painting your initials outside a library wall
  • turning a mailbox upside down
  • keying someone's car
  • throwing a brick into a bank's window
  • lighting a car on fire
The amount of red herring in your posts is impressive.

A) I said they're looting and burning shit down, armed with guns.
B) You reply to this, saying "property damage is non-violent protesting."
C) You go off about capitalism and how "violence" shouldn't mean what it means, yadda yadda yadda -- all of this completely unrelated to the events in Ferguson.
D) Now you're trying to go off on a tangent about property damage and what most states consider property damage. Again, COMPLETELY unrelated to both 1) Ferguson events and 2) your previous arguments. So what if some state considers homeless people living at a public park property damage? Is that what the "peaceful protesters" are doing at Ferguson? No? Is that what I said they're doing when you replied and implied they weren't being violent? No? That's what I thought.

You've went so far off-topic you can't seem to remember what you were trying to argue for in the first place yourself.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Osiris on August 16, 2014, 11:50:32 am
There was a guy on tv last night talking about the long history of innocent black kids being shot dead by police... his main example was about a kid who got shot years back "the police said he shot at them but he didn't, he had a gun but it wasnt used" etc always the polices fault ^^

Until there is a widely agreed timeline of events there is not much to say really. His buddies protest all innocence they did nothing wrong etc the police disagree but as usual the police are the bad guys and its a nice excuse for a riot.

Same shit happened in London. A young black guy was shot dead so the youth decided to have a lot of riots, smashing up parts of London and ruining peoples livelihoods. Doesn't matter that he was a drug dealing gang member who had picked up a gun it was all evil police so lets destroy shit in protest!
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Osiris on August 16, 2014, 01:02:43 pm
pretty sure they knew he was a drug dealer with a gun first. But yeah that Brazilian shit was bad but i don't remember anyone causing mass riots, There were peaceful vigils, and the full story came out after a few months. (also a little different considering they were looking for three terrorists who had just failed a bombing)

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If its found that the police officer had no cause to shoot to kill then he should be punished, but to just assume that the kid was doing nothing and innocent and that its a police conspiracy so warrants violent riots is stupid.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Osiris on August 16, 2014, 06:05:01 pm
http://news.sky.com/story/1319731/missouri-shooting-robbery-claims-spark-unrest

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Looters have attacked a shop that police claimed was robbed by a black teenager shortly before he was shot dead by a white police officer in Missouri.

That sure showed that shop owner whats what!
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on August 16, 2014, 06:29:50 pm
they should grind up the police officers and feed them to feral dogs

they should grind up the poor people and feed them to feral pigs

basically every human ever should die. what a hellish race we are
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Taser on August 16, 2014, 06:38:29 pm
they should grind up the police officers and feed them to feral dogs

they should grind up the poor people and feed them to feral pigs

basically every human ever should die. what a hellish race we are


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Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Kafein on August 17, 2014, 10:37:01 pm
Allow babies if they can pass a credit check
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Falka on August 18, 2014, 12:20:42 am
basically every human ever should die. what a hellish race we are

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Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Oberyn on August 18, 2014, 11:36:40 am
[...]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

It's a culture that has internalized all the worst racist stereotypes and pedestalized them. You can throw all the funding and attempts at education you want, when the recipients have a mentality where success and education are considered "acting white" it's not going to achieve anything. The loathing and contempt they have for any of their own trying to better themselves and get out of the cycle is blatant. Apparently if you aren't a drop-out violent thug that talks incessantly about getting dat green, fucking bitches, drugs and crime you aren't "acting black". The only careers open to them are sports related or being an "aspiring rapper".

And no, race has nothing to do with it. African immigrants to the US are mostly part of the Brain Drain phenomenon, being elites in their own countries. They are better represented in college education and high paying, prestigious jobs (doctors, lawyers, etc) than the average "native" white american. Their skin colour plays no part. They just value education and work and have been succeeding for decades. And they hate being put in the same context as their local "brothers". Ask a lawyer of nigerian origin for example if he feels any sort of attachment or representation to the american "ghetto" culture. Ask african-americans that have broken out of the cycle if the biggest barriers in their way were because of some nebulous institutional racism or their own peers.

Mush-brained marxist bundle of stickss like billwitt are useless cunts that do nothing but glorify these sentiments of belligerent self-pity and reinforce the cycle, because self-flagellating about how eeeeevil the capitalist (most peaceful, prosperous and tolerant that has ever existed in the entirety of human history) system is compared to the pie-in-the-sky unicorn system that exists only in their demented minds makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside. And of course completely ignore literally every other society that actually exist outside of their little first-world bubbles. Liquified white guilt poured into a mould. And these hypocrite fuckers usually live in 90+ percent white suburbs and gated communities, have no idea what the realities of the situation are and get all their "information" from ivory tower college academics.

PS: all the misanthropes whining about how terrible the human race is, please take those arguements to the logical conclusion and kill yourselves and your families. Oh wait, it's those OTHER humans of course.

PPS: billwitt spotted peacefully protesting the awful "racist murder":
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Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on August 18, 2014, 05:17:11 pm
hey like i dont care about the thread topic that much and i am not reading all of these replies, but i wanted to make this comment

THE FOLLOWING PERSONS IN THIS THREAD ARE TOTAL AND ABSOLUTE MONGOLOIDS:

bilwit
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 18, 2014, 07:09:30 pm
Shit, I'm nervous now -- what do I have to do to not end on that list? I'll do anything.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Zhyang on August 18, 2014, 09:31:20 pm
ahahahahahahahahaha
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Is that male or female?

Its ezio auditore the mighty assassin
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Laufknoten on August 19, 2014, 12:06:57 am
Its ezio auditore the mighty assassin
It's leaked footage of the upcoming "Assassins Creed: Modern Warfare 2015". This time you are a fat transgender virgin fighting against the evil white police which was infiltrated by the Templars.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Kafein on August 19, 2014, 09:29:37 am
It's leaked footage of the upcoming "Assassins Creed: Modern Warfare 2015". This time you are a fat transgender virgin fighting against the evil white police which was infiltrated by the Templars.

Seems about right. Those templar guys are always white and always represent order. I really wonder why that is in a game targeted at teenagers.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: LordBerenger on August 19, 2014, 12:15:02 pm
And the yuropeans who aren't even there giving their insights and tinfoil hat conspiracies as usual.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Herezy92 on August 19, 2014, 12:22:56 pm
And the yuropeans who aren't even there giving their insights and tinfoil hat conspiracies as usual.
Well, excuse the yuropeans for speaking about something which is not happening in Europe.
Oh wait, but but but ? Isn't the US interference/"diplomacy" everywhere in the world ?
And of course, the US ppl never speak about something which is out of their mighty country.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 19, 2014, 12:38:14 pm
Oh wait, but but but ? Isn't the US interference/"diplomacy" everywhere in the world ?
How does that have anything to do with anything? Seriously.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Panos_ on August 19, 2014, 12:39:52 pm
New video of the Ferguson riots
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Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Christo on August 19, 2014, 12:40:28 pm
And the yuropeans who aren't even there giving their insights and tinfoil hat conspiracies as usual.

No need to be there to see how this "nigga" stole something.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Umbra on August 19, 2014, 01:18:58 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

It's a culture that has internalized all the worst racist stereotypes and pedestalized them. You can throw all the funding and attempts at education you want, when the recipients have a mentality where success and education are considered "acting white" it's not going to achieve anything. The loathing and contempt they have for any of their own trying to better themselves and get out of the cycle is blatant. Apparently if you aren't a drop-out violent thug that talks incessantly about getting dat green, fucking bitches, drugs and crime you aren't "acting black". The only careers open to them are sports related or being an "aspiring rapper".

And no, race has nothing to do with it. African immigrants to the US are mostly part of the Brain Drain phenomenon, being elites in their own countries. They are better represented in college education and high paying, prestigious jobs (doctors, lawyers, etc) than the average "native" white american. Their skin colour plays no part. They just value education and work and have been succeeding for decades. And they hate being put in the same context as their local "brothers". Ask a lawyer of nigerian origin for example if he feels any sort of attachment or representation to the american "ghetto" culture. Ask african-americans that have broken out of the cycle if the biggest barriers in their way were because of some nebulous institutional racism or their own peers.

Mush-brained marxist bundle of stickss like billwitt are useless cunts that do nothing but glorify these sentiments of belligerent self-pity and reinforce the cycle, because self-flagellating about how eeeeevil the capitalist (most peaceful, prosperous and tolerant that has ever existed in the entirety of human history) system is compared to the pie-in-the-sky unicorn system that exists only in their demented minds makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside. And of course completely ignore literally every other society that actually exist outside of their little first-world bubbles. Liquified white guilt poured into a mould. And these hypocrite fuckers usually live in 90+ percent white suburbs and gated communities, have no idea what the realities of the situation are and get all their "information" from ivory tower college academics.

PS: all the misanthropes whining about how terrible the human race is, please take those arguements to the logical conclusion and kill yourselves and your families. Oh wait, it's those OTHER humans of course.

PPS: billwitt spotted peacefully protesting the awful "racist murder":
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The worst thing is that every other opinion other than "Das racist, evil whitemenz" voiced in public is basically career, social and political suicide. Its not even discussed beyond repeating liberal dream catchphrases and buzzwords. How does anyone expect the problem to get solved when every public discussion suggesting anything other than the politically correct view is imedately shut down by a single word.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 19, 2014, 01:54:30 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2728624/How-democracy-treating-guys-ISIS-militants-social-media-encourage-Ferguson-protesters-embrace-Islamic-extremism.html


Bahahaha. So many Twitter posts from ISIS guys saying "all the ISIS people in the US travel to Ferguson and establish some IS territory there!!"

Yeah, that'll work well - for the USG. ISIS concentrates all their retards in one place, the US gets rid of them, nice.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Utrakil on August 19, 2014, 02:51:22 pm
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Butan on August 19, 2014, 04:07:21 pm

Crab mentality affects mostly gangs, not especially blacks, except if you use local examples.

Elite or not, immigrants or not, black or not, if you have to live in a criminalized ghetto, you have a much larger chance to become a part of the circle, but even the pennyless and uneducated people will have a much larger chance to become a productive member of the society if they can live in a better situation.


I dont automatically believe that the shooting is related to race, so why speak about races at all, artificially creating two groups of black people, the elite and the gangsters? Its not that simple, your speech is way too black and white.



The capitalist system (most peaceful, prosperous and tolerant that has ever existed in the entirety of human history)

People were speaking about broken window being violent, and you deem a system that mechanically put benefits of a minority above the people's livelihood as most peaceful and tolerant system?
You dont agree with billwitt, ok, but your comparison sucked tits.


Reminded me of this:
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Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 19, 2014, 05:02:23 pm

People were speaking about broken window being violent, and you deem a system that mechanically put benefits of a minority above the people's livelihood as most peaceful and tolerant system?
You dont agree with billwitt, ok, but your comparison sucked tits.
So which system in human history has been more peaceful, prosperous and tolerant?

Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Tibe on August 19, 2014, 05:57:58 pm
People were speaking about broken window being violent, and you deem a system that mechanically put benefits of a minority above the people's livelihood as most peaceful and tolerant system?
You dont agree with billwitt, ok, but your comparison sucked tits.

Ye, name something better in that case. Nobody said it was peaceful, its just most peaceful that we could come up with that would work. Even take communism as example. Sounds like a freaking paradise on paper. Horrible nightmare irl.

We are people and quite simply we suck. Slavery and classism is in our blood. Havent you noticed that we have tried creating a supertolerant society and infact it has utterly backfired. During the old days people got fired from their jobs for being gay or black, now you get kicked out of your office if you show a tiny sign of homofobia or racism even if you are the most competent person on earth for the job. Generally yea, those things are bad, but when you arent really doing anything wrong or not oppressing anyone, even slightly showing it by accident gets you das boot without anyone even caring what your jobperformancerating is. We are still in point 0. Nomatter how we try, somehow it just reaches back to nowhere. Every system we make will probably be forever flawed.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 19, 2014, 06:26:24 pm
Disregarding Butan's inability to read for a while and getting back on the subject:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Christo on August 19, 2014, 06:33:57 pm
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/

my sides
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Tibe on August 19, 2014, 06:36:11 pm
So the dude basically broke a cops face and everyone is suprised why he got shot? :lol:
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 19, 2014, 06:40:15 pm
So the dude basically broke a cops face and everyone is suprised why he got shot? :lol:
Yes, after robbing a store and physically intimidating the owner.

His family described him as "a gentle giant."
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Christo on August 19, 2014, 06:43:04 pm
 :lol:

Can't take it, this is too good
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 19, 2014, 06:56:40 pm
Disregarding Butan's inability to read for a while and getting back on the subject:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/

I wonder why the police didn't come right out and say it from the beginning...probably would have been a lot less rioting looting and protesting
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Christo on August 19, 2014, 06:59:58 pm
I wonder why the police didn't come right out and say it from the beginning...probably would have been a lot less rioting looting and protesting

Because that's not how an invenstigation works
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 19, 2014, 07:09:06 pm
I wonder why the police didn't come right out and say it from the beginning...probably would have been a lot less rioting looting and protesting

LOL -- yeah right. That's not how black people from the 'hood do things. They won't be deterred by mere facts.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Umbra on August 19, 2014, 09:35:19 pm
Disregarding Butan's inability to read for a while and getting back on the subject:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/

Hahhaha oh god, mah drills
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Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Kirman on August 19, 2014, 09:54:34 pm
This one is probably the best representative photo i found.

- Throwing a tear gas capsule back at riot police
-An american flag shirt
-Holding a bag of chips in left hand

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Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Oberyn on August 19, 2014, 10:05:58 pm
I dont automatically believe that the shooting is related to race, so why speak about races at all, artificially creating two groups of black people, the elite and the gangsters? Its not that simple, your speech is way too black and white.

People were speaking about broken window being violent, and you deem a system that mechanically put benefits of a minority above the people's livelihood as most peaceful and tolerant system?
You dont agree with billwitt, ok, but your comparison sucked tits.


Holy shit, I'm the one making this about race? The media immediately latched on to this story and tried to turn this fucking thug into a racial martyr. I agree, race should be completely irrelevant, a moron punched a cop in the face, probably because he was jumpy having just casually robbed ciggars for blunts from a drugstore, and got shot for his stupidity. Prime darwin award material. It's a non-event magnified and amplified a thousandfold.
I'm more interested in the riots, looting, protests and media response, and the reasons behind them. Do you know how many times the story has changed already before the investigation has even concluded? Those goal-posts will never stop moving until they land squarely on "racist white cop shoots innocent black man", no other conclusion is acceptable.

Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Prpavi on August 19, 2014, 10:14:54 pm
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 19, 2014, 10:38:03 pm
Just wait. What's happening now is nothing compared to what will happen when the cop gets cleared.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Prpavi on August 19, 2014, 10:43:34 pm
Just read about another killing in St. Louis, a cop gunned down a black 23 year old who threatened him with a knife?

What's this about?
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Christo on August 19, 2014, 10:46:29 pm
Black & White 3 : locked and reloaded
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Kafein on August 20, 2014, 12:41:17 am
Holy shit, I'm the one making this about race? The media immediately latched on to this story and tried to turn this fucking thug into a racial martyr. I agree, race should be completely irrelevant, a moron punched a cop in the face, probably because he was jumpy having just casually robbed ciggars for blunts from a drugstore, and got shot for his stupidity. Prime darwin award material. It's a non-event magnified and amplified a thousandfold.
I'm more interested in the riots, looting, protests and media response, and the reasons behind them. Do you know how many times the story has changed already before the investigation has even concluded? Those goal-posts will never stop moving until they land squarely on "racist white cop shoots innocent black man", no other conclusion is acceptable.

Even if you punch a cop in the face after a robbery you shouldn't get shot to death by the police. That's not an appropriate response at all. I'm not sure racism is fundamentally what guided the policeman to kill, but it seems likely that if the guy had been white he would be arrested and not dead.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Prpavi on August 20, 2014, 02:15:45 am
http://imgur.com/gallery/8NKYeXc
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Sari on August 20, 2014, 03:13:23 am
youtube now working :c

Officer's side of the story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlE04MCCE9Y

video of Michael Brown stealing from the store before the shooting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZxITXY4co0
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Christo on August 20, 2014, 03:17:05 am
Remove the s from 'https', to make embedding work.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Jeade on August 20, 2014, 03:50:02 am
Even if you punch a cop in the face after a robbery you shouldn't get shot to death by the police. That's not an appropriate response at all. I'm not sure racism is fundamentally what guided the policeman to kill, but it seems likely that if the guy had been white he would be arrested and not dead.

Uh, that police officer's face was fractured.
That wouldn't give the police officer the right to shoot him in the back as he's running away or as the suspect has his hands up, but instead, the suspect charged back at the officer.
I'm not even sure how you'd NOT fear for your life in a situation like that.
I'd shoot without question, and the officer (supposedly) did the same.
If that's what happened, that's entirely acceptable.

Edit:
This footage was taken last night. Vice has been doing some pretty decent coverage of the event, however biased the reporters themselves may be.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: LordBerenger on August 20, 2014, 05:48:34 am
No need to be there to see how this "nigga" stole something.

Still. 90% in this thread are basement dwelling, most likely well off Europeans sitting comfortably at home spreading their tinfoil hat conspiracies and giving their thoughts on race and politics like it matters and that don't even live on the same continent (NOH8).

Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on August 20, 2014, 06:02:13 am
I live ten minutes away and most of the stuff you're hearing is thin ass gruel. It's largely fabricated.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 20, 2014, 09:08:43 am
Even if you punch a cop in the face after a robbery you shouldn't get shot to death by the police. That's not an appropriate response at all. I'm not sure racism is fundamentally what guided the policeman to kill, but it seems likely that if the guy had been white he would be arrested and not dead.
So what, he should just let that guy punch him unconscious, maybe kill him, then take his gun and do whatever with it?
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Molly on August 20, 2014, 09:28:51 am
Read this morning that the police arrested a 90 yrs old lady who's a Holocaust survivor. With cable binders... :D Brave men!
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Vovka on August 20, 2014, 09:29:38 am
wondering will there the USA USA USA well as forgiving of rioters as they ask Russia  :P

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shoot may even 90 year old black in spanish Jew grandma
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Jeade on August 20, 2014, 09:58:30 am
Read this morning that the police arrested a 90 yrs old lady who's a Holocaust survivor. With cable binders... :D Brave men!

She was part of a group of people who intended on storming into the Wainwright building downtown.
Not only was it minutes (literally) away from closing for the day, but multiple security officers inside the building had to brace themselves against the door to keep everyone out.
It was quite the crowd.

Quote
Epstein says she and her fellow protesters aimed to walk into Nixon’s office and formally ask him to de-escalate the situation in Ferguson. But police and security officers blocked the door, preventing them from entering.

“I really didn’t think about being arrested or doing anything like that,” Epstein told Newsweek. “I was just going to be somebody in the crowd. I guess maybe I was impulsive: Someone said, ‘Who is willing to be arrested if that happens?’ I said, ‘Yeah, I’m willing.’”

A police officer informed the crowd that Nixon and his staff were not in the building, Epstein says, and urged them to leave. When she and eight other protesters refused, they were arrested for failure to disperse. Police handcuffed Epstein behind her back and took her to a nearby police substation. She was booked, given a court date of October 21, and then told she could leave.
Link to that article here (http://www.newsweek.com/holocaust-survivor-hedy-epstein-arrested-ferguson-protest-says-racism-alive-america-265703).

To piggyback on what Daruvian said, this is also a HUGE opportunity for media to boost ratings. Ratings are through the fucking roof nationwide right now.
Be careful with your opinions.

A photo from the Wainwright building as things were just getting started:
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Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Molly on August 20, 2014, 10:06:08 am
90 years old...
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Umbra on August 20, 2014, 10:08:47 am
90 years young! She is very lively
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Vovka on August 20, 2014, 10:12:52 am
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And so it begins!
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Jeade on August 20, 2014, 10:51:05 am
90 years old...

We can't demand justice and equality if we don't treat people equally.
There aren't any caveats about the illegality of something.

A 90 year old woman trying to break into a building is just as illegal as an 18 year old man. 
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 20, 2014, 11:45:14 am
It's retarded. How is it relevant how old she is or that she is a "Holocaust survivor"? It's not.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Molly on August 20, 2014, 01:18:39 pm
It shows a lack of common sense for me.
Old tiny lady, put in cuffs... seriously?

Just look angry at her and tell her to leave.

Cuffs? Really? <.<
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 20, 2014, 02:28:09 pm
Well, she did want to get arrested. It'd be rude not to give her the full treatment.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Christo on August 20, 2014, 02:32:54 pm
It shows a lack of common sense for me.
Old tiny lady, put in cuffs... seriously?

Just look angry at her and tell her to leave.

Cuffs? Really? <.<

Human rights
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Tagora on August 20, 2014, 02:52:04 pm
Well off European is right!

For me it's more wishful thinking than believing or trusting any of the sources or giving a shit about the politics or racial background. Face it, everyone secretly loves hearing about idiots in less developed countries who cant regulate firearms shooting each other on the streets, it makes people feel better about their own country. I'd be disappointed if none of the reports are true, but i suspect i'd get over it.

Well, it's not the guns at all really.  Guns for poor and disenfranchised Americans is nothing new, eg shays rebellion.  And if you read about it, it wasn't that bad, the farmers were able to stall the courts and free some debtors.  The chaos that is portrayed in the media today didn't exist back then.  The main issue then was that bankers were taking over the legislature and instituting laws that favored the upper class much similar to the situation that's going on today (albeit then they were less hasty because there was more to lose).  I think that there was a certain naivety throughout US revolutionary history.  It was a completely new country without an identity comparable to European nations.  We identified not as US citizens but as Virginians, Pennsylvanians, and so on.  That's changed since then.  We don't have that naivety anymore because we have the US Federal Government ruling over us more than any locally governing legislature does which wasn't the case back then.  We're talking about this massive institution that ever since WWII has multiplied in size and military strength by an unfathomable factor.  President Eisenhower warned us of the ongoing US military industrial complex and that was over 50 years ago.  50 years of heavy sustained growth in our military organizations.  We don't march in the streets armed like our predecessors did because we're extremely afraid of what would happen.  I guarantee you that the legislators wouldn't behave the way they did 228 years ago.

I actually laughed at (but wasn't surprised to see) all the middle-class sentimentality going on here.  The way that we view Gandhi in relation to emancipatory politics isn't the way the American underclass does.  They don't care about Gandhi.  Since they can't march on the courts or march on the banks they'll do the only (semi-)comparable thing they can do which is steal a pair of tennis shoes.  That's petty and I bet you're thinking that's unfair of me to make such a preposterous comparison but try to look at with the past in perspective; we can't bear arms and march on government.  That's out of the question and I wouldn't recommend that to anyone.  So how does a working-class citizen of relatively narrow education go about a similar change?  In my opinion, they're going to react with petty crime and steal tennis shoes and other consumer items that they've been brainwashed into thinking are valuable.  It's certainly not the same as having the debt forgiven but since that's pretty much out of the question with today's politics there isn't much to do.  So I understand them but I won't agree with them.  I'm more of the sheltered & white & middle-class mind and think we should all smoke some weed and chill out in Central Park.  hue

Whenever civil unrest of this kind flares up, whether it's Los Angeles riots, the Chicago riots, or the Boston Massacre (just gonna throw this in there to look cool), the media are always focused in on a singular event.  It would be entirely idiotic to presume that unrest is triggered by one individual in one instance of injustice (whether or not any injustice was being done).  It's much more broad and complex.  It's the result of a system of neglect and abuse designed to strip away the rights and privileges of the lowest stratum of our society.  But then again, the majority of us are working people who don't have time to read into it more than that and the truth is (this is what disgusts us when we see the pictures): we're fucking terrified of ending up like the rioters ourselves.

tl;dr
The civil unrest in Ferguson, MO isn't shocking or new to America.  We can't protest against the legislature like we used to.  Now we steal tennis shoes.  Meanwhile, (old as fuk) "rich people paying rich people to tell the middle class people to blame poor people".  Don't read into the news and read moar history bookz.  Also, gandhi.

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Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Butan on August 20, 2014, 03:03:00 pm
Still. 90% in this thread are basement dwelling, most likely well off Europeans sitting comfortably at home spreading their tinfoil hat conspiracies and giving their thoughts on race and politics like it matters and that don't even live on the same continent (NOH8).

The internet was invented to communicate with people which arent living on the same continent.
Learn something everyday.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Tagora on August 20, 2014, 03:34:07 pm
I kind of meant in a different way but yeah.  heskey make me love pls
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 20, 2014, 03:38:52 pm
That's right my country isn't affected, not even a little, and neither am i :DDD but by all means, the cops and the guns and everything to do with America is functioning juuuuuuuust fine. Keep doing what you're doing, reading the news is better popcorn material than even this thread.
Your retardation rears its ugly head again. Being ignorant, you're unaware of all the key differences between the US and European countries. But hey, we're gonna see how non-violently the EU is going to deal with all the ghettos and poor, uneducated gangbangers soon enough -- we've already gotten some good sneak peeks with several riots.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Kafein on August 20, 2014, 05:37:52 pm
No, of course not. Cops receive self-defense training to control unarmed aggressors. He should have used that, not his gun.
The internet was invented to communicate with people which arent living on the same continent.
Learn something everyday.

The internet wasn't invented to communicate with people which aren't living on the same continent.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: AntiBlitz on August 20, 2014, 05:52:05 pm
No, of course not. Cops receive self-defense training to control unarmed aggressors. He should have used that, not his gun.

yes and part of that training is when someone is attempting to disarm you, they intend to shoot you with your own weapon, so you do not let them, by stopping them before they take it.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Kafein on August 20, 2014, 06:13:51 pm
yes and part of that training is when someone is attempting to disarm you, they intend to shoot you with your own weapon, so you do not let them, by stopping them before they take it.

In that case you might as well consider that people that look at you funny are trying to kill you with your own weapon and shoot them. How can you tell they are intending to shoot you with your own weapon? Was the guy that got shot even trying to disarm the cop?

Suppose the killer wasn't a cop, and argue self-defense. That would make a tough case. The cop's main job seems to be "protect your own life with no regard for the lives of others".
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: AntiBlitz on August 20, 2014, 06:23:29 pm
In that case you might as well consider that people that look at you funny are trying to kill you with your own weapon and shoot them. How can you tell they are intending to shoot you with your own weapon? Was the guy that got shot even trying to disarm the cop?

Suppose the killer wasn't a cop, and argue self-defense. That would make a tough case. The cop's main job seems to be "protect your own life with no regard for the lives of others".

Kafein if you would see past your own pro life hippy fucking views.

not a very good argument honestly, i have no idea what happened to the officer, but from the hospital report, and his report is seems he was attacked, and severely injured.  Protecting ones own life is top priority, so i dont see how you really have any argument whatsoever, the guy attacked him, could have possibly put him unconscious and killed him.  But the officer never let it get to that point, congrats to him, made a decision, and is still alive.

wasnt a cop, self defense, well..........Treyvon Martin case ended up pretty well didnt it, self defense won the day in that didnt it.........yep thought so, try again.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 20, 2014, 06:25:59 pm
No, of course not. Cops receive self-defense training to control unarmed aggressors. He should have used that, not his gun.
So you're saying you have no idea how fighting works in real life. "Self-defense training" cops receive is incredibly limited and not really very useful at all. It does not make them supermen. It doesn't mean they can just wave their hand and the mere CITIZEN opposing them flies to the ground, dazed but unharmed, completely stunned by these Secret Police Hand-to-Hand Moves.

It's a nice fantasy, but not how it works. Cops aren't required to be master martial artists. The guy who attacked the cop was 6'4 and something like 300 lbs. That he was unarmed is completely beside the point. Pistols don't give their owners super powers either, and just because you're "armed" (have a pistol in your holster) doesn't mean someone who's "unarmed" is suddenly no threat at all, even if you're not using your pistol.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Chosen1 on August 20, 2014, 06:29:27 pm
In that case you might as well consider that people that look at you funny are trying to kill you with your own weapon and shoot them. How can you tell they are intending to shoot you with your own weapon? Was the guy that got shot even trying to disarm the cop?

Suppose the killer wasn't a cop, and argue self-defense. That would make a tough case. The cop's main job seems to be "protect your own life with no regard for the lives of others".

I swear to god you are the most retarded poster on this entire forum.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Tibe on August 20, 2014, 06:32:51 pm
Suppose the killer wasn't a cop, and argue self-defense. That would make a tough case. The cop's main job seems to be "protect your own life with no regard for the lives of others".

The dude was a giant and fracuted the cops skull. If thats not a solid self-defence case I dont know what is. Generally im not into anyone shooting anybody dead, but in this case it seems quite justified. But the only thing I dont get is dont US cops have tasers or maze? Shouldnt one go for those before reaching for the actual firearm?
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Butan on August 20, 2014, 07:04:13 pm
But the only thing I dont get is dont US cops have tasers or maze? Shouldnt one go for those before reaching for the actual firearm?

All cops arent equiped with non lethal weapons such as tasers, and those that are dont carry it everywhere, and those that does dont always use them when its not pertinent to the situation.

It could be interesting to know what was the gear available to the police officer to know what was his choices.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 20, 2014, 07:07:28 pm
The dude was a giant and fracuted the cops skull. If thats not a solid self-defence case I dont know what is. Generally im not into anyone shooting anybody dead, but in this case it seems quite justified. But the only thing I dont get is dont US cops have tasers or maze? Shouldnt one go for those before reaching for the actual firearm?
Tasers and Mace are not magic bullets either, and generally very ineffective against someone who's being aggressive. If someone is already on your skin, you're probably just going to piss him off more by trying to spray him, provided you'll even hit.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Kafein on August 20, 2014, 08:55:09 pm
I swear to god you are the most retarded poster on this entire forum.

In fact I'd bet I'm the most intelligent poster on this entire forum. There are around 25000 members so the actual probability of that is close to .5 if we assume the population of forum members is IID with respect to world population.

Protecting ones own life is top priority

It's not a clear cut issue. In general it seems the average cop in the US is under immense pressure due to real or perceived threats to his life because he is a cop. This changes his behavior towards other people to an absurd degree.

So you're saying you have no idea how fighting works in real life. "Self-defense training" cops receive is incredibly limited and not really very useful at all. It does not make them supermen. It doesn't mean they can just wave their hand and the mere CITIZEN opposing them flies to the ground, dazed but unharmed, completely stunned by these Secret Police Hand-to-Hand Moves.

It's a nice fantasy, but not how it works. Cops aren't required to be master martial artists. The guy who attacked the cop was 6'4 and something like 300 lbs. That he was unarmed is completely beside the point. Pistols don't give their owners super powers either, and just because you're "armed" (have a pistol in your holster) doesn't mean someone who's "unarmed" is suddenly no threat at all, even if you're not using your pistol.

The dude was a giant and fracuted the cops skull. If thats not a solid self-defence case I dont know what is. Generally im not into anyone shooting anybody dead, but in this case it seems quite justified. But the only thing I dont get is dont US cops have tasers or maze? Shouldnt one go for those before reaching for the actual firearm?

Those two are arguments I can accept.

Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Materia on August 20, 2014, 09:46:13 pm
friend = problem.

A bullet, or 6 thats how to deal with the problems. Give that cop an award, and encourage others to do it.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Jeade on August 20, 2014, 10:31:27 pm
How can you tell they are intending to shoot you with your own weapon? Was the guy that got shot even trying to disarm the cop?

Mike Brown actually had the police officer's gun in his hand and turned it into the side of the officer before the officer was able to wrestle it away from him, resulting in a single shot fired inside the cruiser.
What the police officer has in his head after having his skull fractured is: "If this guy, twice my size, knocks me out, he can take my own gun -again- and kill me with it."

Tasers and Mace are not magic bullets either, and generally very ineffective against someone who's being aggressive. If someone is already on your skin, you're probably just going to piss him off more by trying to spray him, provided you'll even hit.

Exactly.
Particularly if you miss the taser shot or it doesn't connect right. He'd have to drop the taser, then go for his gun.
21 (maybe 25, can't remember) feet is considered a very dangerous zone when someone is charging you down because they'll be at your throat in a mere moment.

On top of that, police in the US aren't allowed to carry both mace and tasers as mace can be flammable.
I remember one case where an officer used both.
The current from the taser lit the mace and the guy went up in flames.

Edit: AntiBlitz called me out.
They can carry both but not use mace before the taser.
Seems like an unnatural progression, taser then mace, but it's possible.
 
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Umbra on August 20, 2014, 11:00:27 pm
friend = problem.

A bullet, or 6 thats how to deal with the problems. Give that cop an award, and encourage others to do it.

Ban he. This is worse than Nanking
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 20, 2014, 11:14:58 pm
Except banning him from this forum doesn't change the way he perceives black people.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Taser on August 20, 2014, 11:39:04 pm
Tasers and Mace are not magic bullets either, and generally very ineffective against someone who's being aggressive. If someone is already on your skin, you're probably just going to piss him off more by trying to spray him, provided you'll even hit.

Guess its time to step up my game.

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Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Leshma on August 21, 2014, 01:30:40 am
police in the US...

...rely too much on firearms. Policemen should be fit, physically imposing and capable human specimen, trained in martial arts and capable of dealing with unarmed average criminal.

Your government should set higher standards and pay policemen accordingly and this will happen a lot less. As long you have short, scrawny or obese armed policemen, paid by peanuts situations like this will pop from time to time. Ghetto kid who got shot was a criminal, but policeman acted in very unprofessional manner, compared to most policemen from EU countries. EU police doesn't shot unarmed people, not because they are hippies, they don't need to do so. They are buff, tall, physically and mentally strong warriors. What is funny, they are paid pretty much the same wages as your average fat american cop that gobbles donuts half of his shift. That is why USA government has to wage wars all over the world, to provide for huge majority of incompetent citizens who are used to living a good life but don't deserve a portion of it.

Mericans should visit major German cities more often, to see how regular folks, policemen and solders look like. They had transformed a lot, change life style on national level. In Düsseldorf, for example, you can't find a fat person on the streets, young or old.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Havelle on August 21, 2014, 01:45:09 am
...rely too much on firearms. Policemen should be fit, physically imposing and capable human specimen, trained in martial arts and capable of dealing with unarmed average criminal.

There's a serious debate about giving the Kryptonians work visas for this.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on August 21, 2014, 01:59:09 am
all that bullshit this cunt wrote

i agree all americans should visit your country to see the camps your countrymen as arrogant as you made for other human beings to be murdered en masse

cunt
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Havelle on August 21, 2014, 02:02:50 am
Mericans should visit major German cities more often, to see how regular folks, policemen and solders look like. They had transformed a lot, change life style on national level. In Düsseldorf, for example, you can't find a fat person on the streets, young or old.

Thanks, Eugenics.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: San on August 21, 2014, 02:12:02 am
Embarrassing how this is being handled, but this is just a symptom of many other underlying problems, namely a toxic subculture and economic segregation.

I personally have a distaste for turning every incident into a Civil Rights holy war since the actual problems are much more complex.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Leshma on August 21, 2014, 02:26:26 am
i agree all americans should visit your country to see the camps your countrymen as arrogant as you made for other human beings to be murdered en masse

cunt

Do they teach proper merican history in public schools, how European settlers ate the less fortunate of their own kin during harsh winters, to survive? Evolution 101, right 'dere.

First thing Jebediah who lived 200 years ago, would do after seeing fat slob like Smoothrich, is to decide should he kick him off the cliff or feed his family. Solely depends of weather conditions.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 21, 2014, 02:40:07 am
Rise above that shit and get back on topic you fuck. Waste of a post
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Havelle on August 21, 2014, 02:43:57 am
Do they teach proper merican history in public schools, how European settlers ate the less fortunate of their own kin during harsh winters, to survive? Evolution 101, right 'dere.

First thing Jebediah who lived 200 years ago, would do after seeing fat slob like Smoothrich, is to decide should he kick him off the cliff or feed his family. Solely depends of weather conditions.

So what did you guys put other guys in ovens for?
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on August 21, 2014, 05:11:12 am
i mean we all know its a problem with culture, simple as that

its just a culture struggle

black people in ferguson live 10 minutes away from me and we're both americans since birth but if you examine random black guy #10 from ferguson and me from the standpoint of cultural anthropology you will see that we have fundamentally different perspectives of our worlds, our language differs from each other, we have different mating expectations, and we both might subscribe to social groups that the other one would be baffled by (crips/bloods/any other gang or drug sales culture vs. cRPG online community rofl)

its just a culture struggle with this self-demeaning black ghetto culture
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Havelle on August 21, 2014, 08:01:42 am
disregard
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Prpavi on August 21, 2014, 09:51:39 am
I live in the EU and our cops aren't fit fighting machines but corrupt lazy fucks, not every coutry in Europe is Germany and I also doubt it's all gravy there as you make it to be.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Umbra on August 21, 2014, 10:16:54 am
I live in the EU

barely  :D

and our cops aren't fit fighting machines but corrupt lazy fucks, not every coutry in Europe is Germany and I also doubt it's all gravy there as you make it to be.

Our cops are godlike, every single one personally trained by Mirko Cro cop in MMA. They must have less than 5% body fat, survive 10 high kicks and beat Mirko in ground and pound to pass the police academy.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 21, 2014, 12:28:06 pm
They are buff, tall, physically and mentally strong warriors.
Now, now, Leshma, this isn't Fapocalypse. Keep your masturbation fantasies in one thread, please.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Angantyr on August 21, 2014, 12:54:11 pm
The description is spot on for Danish and Swedish police. I don't think I've ever seen an even slightly fat or otherwise physically unfit police officer in my entire life, men and women both.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Umbra on August 21, 2014, 12:57:24 pm
Imo officers should take a fitness test every 2-3 years. Nothing too drastic but just so the basic level of fitness is maintained.
The same way that lifeguards take it. If you cant dive the lenght of half a pool and swim a set amount of meters under a certain time you are not fit to be a lifeguard. If you cant run a distance under a set ammount of time or you cant do a certain ammount of pullups or whatever you are not fit to be a cop.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Prpavi on August 21, 2014, 01:18:17 pm
Sure that all might work in proper countries to.the north of Europe, here in the south it will never happen (not in our lifetime atleast), especially no corruption part
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Molly on August 21, 2014, 01:20:57 pm
The physical entry test for the German police is actually really really hard. Same for fire fighters.

You have to be top fit to pass it.

What happens afterwards is a whole different matter tho :D
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Prpavi on August 21, 2014, 01:23:55 pm
Do they have routine yearly checks or you pass it once and you're good? How does that work?
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 21, 2014, 01:33:26 pm
The description is spot on for Danish and Swedish police. I don't think I've ever seen an even slightly fat or otherwise physically unfit police officer in my entire life, men and women both.
You've administered mental tests for all of Danish and Swedish police?
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Kafein on August 21, 2014, 01:34:55 pm
You've administered mental tests for all of Danish and Swedish police?

Stay on topic, please.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 21, 2014, 01:35:36 pm
Stay on topic, please.
YOU stay on topic.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Angantyr on August 21, 2014, 01:36:38 pm
Concerning physical requirements I believe it is occasionally reviewed, but otherwise staying fit has become culturally internalized.

Northern European police forces spring from the highly militarized 18th and 19th century kingdoms, where the Prussian, Danish and Swedish were per capita some of the most militarized societies in the world.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Molly on August 21, 2014, 01:37:57 pm
Do they have routine yearly checks or you pass it once and you're good? How does that work?
Till a certain age and rank, I think they do.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Angantyr on August 21, 2014, 01:41:09 pm
You've administered mental tests for all of Danish and Swedish police?
I was only commenting on the physical part.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 21, 2014, 01:45:15 pm
I was only commenting on the physical part.
Then Leshma's comment is hardly "spot on." Far from it, even if you're only commenting on the physical part. Northern European police are normal people in a fairly good physical condition. That's it. There's no requirement to be "buff" - most of them aren't. There's no requirement to be "tall" - most of them aren't. And how the fuck do you test for "warriorness"? So no, not spot on. It sounded like masturbatory material.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Butan on August 21, 2014, 01:46:39 pm
You've administered mental tests for all of Danish and Swedish police?

Xant mental test result : unfit for duty, psychopathic tendency.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 21, 2014, 01:48:56 pm
Xant mental test result : unfit for duty, psychopathic tendency.
Close, but actually: top score in the intelligence and personality tests, found suitable for officer positions.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Angantyr on August 21, 2014, 01:58:43 pm
Spot on was probably a bad choice of words as it could appear to encompass everything in the sentence. What was spot on was the part I commented on myself, the overall meaning that Northern European police in general is in better shape than what you see most elsewhere. And no it isn't a requirement to be tall but many are.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: sF_Guardian on August 21, 2014, 02:09:24 pm
Never seen fat cops in Germany? You weren't here for long obviously :D Not hard to spot fat people here, opening the eyes might help.

As for cops, hard to enter but after that you can sit on your lazy ass for ages no problem, only higher specialised units have regular, challenging fitness tests.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Butan on August 21, 2014, 02:30:03 pm
Close, but actually: top score in the intelligence and personality tests, found suitable for officer positions.

Outsmarted the tests? Good job.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Prpavi on August 21, 2014, 02:32:29 pm
psychopathic tendency.

found suitable for officer positions.

sounds about right
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Leshma on August 21, 2014, 02:36:33 pm
Stay on topic, please.

Topic: Two clowns mortally wounded two unarmed, black, teenage, wannabe gang members. First has an excuse, he's not even a policeman but some so called Neighborhood watch member (watch this movie for reference (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1197628/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_39)). Second is a policeman who had to resort to firearms in order to deal with tall and overweight black teenager. Now Black America is rioting, just like Zulus when scrawny britmy old friends shot them instead of fighting them melee style (britmy old friends would lose this one badly). You do realize that you're supporting typical Sir Agor my old friendcher stance when you cheer for white unfit policeman instead of a dead kid who could become next Deontay Wilder with a proper training. What a waste.

Also, jealousy breeds hatred and that is why our buddy here Daruvian (bet his real name is Brandon or Chad), still hates his former neighbor Ahmed who moved next to his house ten years ago, at that time only capable of saying thank you, sir. Today Ahmed is living  in LA, own two mansions and have a trophy wife with softest silicone breasts money can buy. That is because Ahmed, not only that he learned fluent English but also has PhD from prestigious medical university. But fuck Ahmed, Daruvian recently bought a mobile scooter which will make it much easier for him to go to the nearby liqueur store, only 90 feet away from his trailer.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 21, 2014, 02:51:30 pm
Looks like Leshma brought a new personality with it after it was unbanned. Interesting! We look forward to seeing how this personality will behave.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Leshma on August 21, 2014, 03:09:38 pm
It has a name.. Xant, Xant.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Oberyn on August 21, 2014, 05:26:34 pm
I would pay good money to drop Leshma straight in the middle of a Detroit ghetto for one night.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Kafein on August 21, 2014, 05:59:24 pm
I would pay good money to drop Leshma straight in the middle of a Detroit ghetto for one night.

Let's make a reality tv show of that
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Butan on August 21, 2014, 06:28:28 pm
Fergusson is one big TV reality show those last days, unfortunately for its people.
Lets keep discussing of those events  :wink:
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on August 21, 2014, 06:36:08 pm
Also, jealousy breeds hatred and that is why our buddy here Daruvian (bet his real name is Brandon or Chad), still hates his former neighbor Ahmed who moved next to his house ten years ago, at that time only capable of saying thank you, sir. Today Ahmed is living  in LA, own two mansions and have a trophy wife with softest silicone breasts money can buy. That is because Ahmed, not only that he learned fluent English but also has PhD from prestigious medical university. But fuck Ahmed, Daruvian recently bought a mobile scooter which will make it much easier for him to go to the nearby liqueur store, only 90 feet away from his trailer.

i bet $50 im getting more education and am more attractive than u irl lol you jizz feasting mongoloid

P.S. sieg heil ;^)
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Tibe on August 21, 2014, 07:00:08 pm
Common Leshma, you sound like someone who learned everything he knows about USA and EU from Reddit.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: [ptx] on August 21, 2014, 07:08:14 pm
Common Leshma, you sound like someone who learned everything he knows about USA and EU from Reddit.
If it sounds like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck...
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Tibe on August 21, 2014, 07:12:11 pm
If a person weighs the same as a duck, then that person is made of wood (because both ducks and wood float in water). And since wood burns (just like witches) then that person must be a witch, because witches are made of wood.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Jeade on August 21, 2014, 10:00:56 pm
If a person weighs the same as a duck, then that person is made of wood (because both ducks and wood float in water).


Welp, the logic checks out.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Artyem on August 21, 2014, 10:19:44 pm
bla bla bla bla bla

You keep saying things like "ghetto kid" and "average criminal" yet you don't seem to understand that the guy was 6'4" (1.93m) and weighed 292 lb (132 kg.)

When a man of that size hits you hard enough to cause an orbital blowout, and then proceeds to charge you again, it's no longer a case of police brutality; it's self defense.  Tasers are not as effective as you probably believe, and mace won't stop a guy that's already attacking you.  I suppose you'd like him to use his special karate kid training to fight and tackle the 132 kg monster he's fighting, but I somehow doubt that the officer was capable of that with injuries like this:

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Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Christo on August 21, 2014, 10:43:28 pm
Like it or not, in this case it can be argued that the pistol shot was valid alone for counterbalancing the massive weight of the guy charging at him.
And I mentioned no previous hits or disarm attempts yet.

Yup, pretty much what Artyem said. Self defense.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Jeade on August 21, 2014, 10:47:05 pm
You keep saying things like "ghetto kid" and "average criminal" yet you don't seem to understand that the guy was 6'4" (1.93m) and weighed 292 lb (132 kg.)

When a man of that size hits you hard enough to cause an orbital blowout, and then proceeds to charge you again, it's no longer a case of police brutality; it's self defense.  Tasers are not as effective as you probably believe, and mace won't stop a guy that's already attacking you.

Not only this, but backup didn't arrive for another few minutes after the shooting.
What was the officer supposed to do in the meantime?
Brawl with the guy that just fractured his face, then safely control and handcuff him by himself?
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Laufknoten on August 21, 2014, 11:10:55 pm
You keep saying things like "ghetto kid" and "average criminal" yet you don't seem to understand that the guy was 6'4" (1.93m) and weighed 292 lb (132 kg.)
Here in germany this incident is also relatively big in the news. They always call brown a "black teenager", not mentioning how big he was. It's obvious they want to imply that a small, innocent, black teenager was executed by an evil white american cop. Simply put it's anti-white propaganda. 
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Leshma on August 21, 2014, 11:12:37 pm
You keep saying things like "ghetto kid" and "average criminal" yet you don't seem to understand that the guy was 6'4" (1.93m) and weighed 292 lb (132 kg.)

I thought he was bigger. Average 18 year old kid in my neighborhood is around 6'3" but with much better build. Young policemen in here are 6'5" and very muscular, that is why I don't fuck with them. Not sure what happened in here, but new generations look downright scary compared to us older folks, gym culture that spread like wildfire doesn't help the cause. I'm just 5'11" and that makes me a dwarf among teenagers.

Cromy old friends are welcome to visit, to see for themselves am I talking bullshit or not. Just a reminder, young generations are in general like Panos, right winged nutjobs and because of that I can't guarantee their safety.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Butan on August 21, 2014, 11:12:45 pm
Not only this, but backup didn't arrive for another few minutes after the shooting.
What was the officer supposed to do in the meantime?
Brawl with the guy that just fractured his face, then safely control and handcuff him by himself?

I guess the officer must have cuffed him where he laid dead, with his fractured skull, anyway. Not really pertinent to the situation, since it played after the fatal shooting happened.


Sorry if it has been brought up, but is there a reasonable article on what happened during the brawl?
What I collected is the background : michael brown rob a store minutes before the shooting
and wounds : a fractured skull for the policeman and 6 bullets on the young man, one killing him instantly in the head


I read a few autopsy report which doesnt all go in the same direction: one says none of the shots were done at short range, one says they were all shot at the front of the body, some that he was shot in the back, etc...
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Umbra on August 21, 2014, 11:17:31 pm
I thought he was bigger. Average 18 year old kid in my neighborhood is around 6'3" but with much better build. Young policemen in here are 6'5" and very muscular, that is why I don't fuck with them. Not sure what happened in here, but new generations look downright scary compared to us older folks, gym culture that spread like wildfire doesn't help the cause. I'm just 5'11" and that makes me a dwarf among teenagers.

Cromy old friends are welcome to visit, to see for themselves am I talking bullshit or not. Just a reminder, young generations are in general like Panos, right winged nutjobs and because of that I can't guarantee their safety.

Iv been in Novi Sad, and its nothing like you describe. Blokes look normal, got a bad case of 3 fingers in the air on festivals but their builds are normal and the police too
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Leshma on August 21, 2014, 11:24:12 pm
Novi Sad is different, they are on different cultural level (for the most part) and used to multiculturalism. People who live south aren't, and majority of them are in the capital living as criminals (ranging from hooligans to drug dealers and killers). Novi Sad is the peaceful, European city and that is why they wan't to split.

Oberyn is mentioning Detroit. Well I already live in a city like that. And it's becoming worse every day. And I do live in a ghetto area, wild suburbs that are reminiscent of City 17 from Half Life 2 :wink: Shit you see on those russian/soviet clips, happens here as well.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Oberyn on August 21, 2014, 11:32:47 pm
What city do you live in? Do you want to compare the murder rates? Have you had 50 drive-by shootings in a weekend? Dozens of murders as a daily occurance? Toddlers and babies being shot by stray bullets and, in the worst of cases, deliberately?
You're getting the terms wrong anyways. Suburbs in the US means safe areas with white picket fences and houses. It's usually downtown that's the marginal fucked up ghetto area. It's the complete opposite of most european cities in that sense.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Jeade on August 21, 2014, 11:37:05 pm
am I talking bullshit or not.

U.S. 178.9 cm (5 ft 10 1⁄2 in) Male White Americans, Aged 20–39
Serbia 182 cm (5 ft 11 1⁄2 in), Male, Aged 18–30

Well, judging by the averages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Average_height_around_the_world)...

Perhaps it's a bit pedantic, but I'm struggling to understand why you're bothering to so valiantly defend a young adult being shot based on how tall you expect police to be in Serbia.
What?
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Jeade on August 21, 2014, 11:45:09 pm
I guess the officer must have cuffed him where he laid dead, with his fractured skull, anyway. Not really pertinent to the situation, since it played after the fatal shooting happened.


Sorry if it has been brought up, but is there a reasonable article on what happened during the brawl?
What I collected is the background : michael brown rob a store minutes before the shooting
and wounds : a fractured skull for the policeman and 6 bullets on the young man, one killing him instantly in the head


I read a few autopsy report which doesnt all go in the same direction: one says none of the shots were done at short range, one says they were all shot at the front of the body, some that he was shot in the back, etc...

I'll see if I can round up a couple sources for you.

The preliminary autopsy has only stated he was shot three times in the right arm, once in the right pectoral, once in the right eye, and once in the top of the head.
There have been no tests checking for gunpowder residue on the clothing, so it's largely impossible to tell what range he was shot at.
There were no entrance wounds in the back, however. That was stated in the preliminary autopsy report.

The DOJ is also conducting an autopsy at the moment, so that will eventually come out to confirm the previous report.

Here's a video of a witness explaining what he saw to a neighbor/friend. (http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168698-eyewitness-recalls-important-detail-background-video-mins-ferguson-shooting/)
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Prpavi on August 22, 2014, 01:31:14 am
I thought he was bigger. Average 18 year old kid in my neighborhood is around 6'3" but with much better build. Young policemen in here are 6'5" and very muscular, that is why I don't fuck with them. Not sure what happened in here, but new generations look downright scary compared to us older folks, gym culture that spread like wildfire doesn't help the cause. I'm just 5'11" and that makes me a dwarf among teenagers.

Cromy old friends are welcome to visit, to see for themselves am I talking bullshit or not. Just a reminder, young generations are in general like Panos, right winged nutjobs and because of that I can't guarantee their safety.

Been to Belgade for my birthday couple years ago... partied around town walked 4 a.m. through the city, no problems, been to Novi Sad this year on Exit festival (4th time on Exit) never had a single bad experience, only remember sweet girls that dig our accent.

Murder rate for Serbia is 1.2 as is for Croatia, you had 111 murders in 2012. while we had 51, with population half of Serbia it's basically the same, didn't find numbers for Zagreb and Belgade but I doubt they are that different.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: BASNAK on August 22, 2014, 01:57:34 am
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Don't really know much about the Ferguson riots and all. Is that really Michael Brown in the photo?
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Butan on August 22, 2014, 03:13:18 am
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Don't really know much about the Ferguson riots and all. Is that really Michael Brown in the photo?

Could be, is it also his BFF high on dope in the background?

From OP first link:
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Sure look cleaner here.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on August 22, 2014, 04:22:46 am
jesus christ it actually has Hawaiian punch in the picture lol
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Jeade on August 22, 2014, 05:26:55 am
jesus christ it actually has Hawaiian punch in the picture lol

Not just Hawaiian Punch, friend.

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Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Taser on August 22, 2014, 05:39:33 am
inb4 purple drank.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 22, 2014, 05:57:48 am
I thought he was bigger. Average 18 year old kid in my neighborhood is around 6'3" but with much better build. Young policemen in here are 6'5" and very muscular, that is why I don't fuck with them. Not sure what happened in here, but new generations look downright scary compared to us older folks, gym culture that spread like wildfire doesn't help the cause. I'm just 5'11" and that makes me a dwarf among teenagers.

Cromy old friends are welcome to visit, to see for themselves am I talking bullshit or not. Just a reminder, young generations are in general like Panos, right winged nutjobs and because of that I can't guarantee their safety.
So.. this personality of Leshma is gay and has fantasies of being taken by larger men, apparently. In this Leshma's world, policemen are all two meters tall and "very muscular."  :lol:
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Tibe on August 22, 2014, 06:31:36 am
You know I got the impression too that Leshma wants to be saved by a very muscular officer and got the actual police and german gay stripclub mixed up.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: AntiBlitz on August 22, 2014, 06:59:40 am
I guess the officer must have cuffed him where he laid dead, with his fractured skull, anyway. Not really pertinent to the situation, since it played after the fatal shooting happened.


Sorry if it has been brought up, but is there a reasonable article on what happened during the brawl?
What I collected is the background : michael brown rob a store minutes before the shooting
and wounds : a fractured skull for the policeman and 6 bullets on the young man, one killing him instantly in the head


I read a few autopsy report which doesnt all go in the same direction: one says none of the shots were done at short range, one says they were all shot at the front of the body, some that he was shot in the back, etc...

the information you see and hear on the media is "leaked" information, you will not hear a "true" story until the evidence and reports are released after his indictment, which hasnt occurred yet, and sometime after they review the evidence for legality if they do decide to go ahead with the indictment.

What you hear on the media is nothing more then word of mouth spread, or hearsay, so take it with a grain of salt until the facts come about.


The sum of the story seems to be:
commits Robbery of a store
starts walking somewhere, maybe home?(friends house, since he was visiting from out of town)
cops respond to robbery
this guy begins walking in the middle of the street blocking traffic
separate cop, not going to the robbery, is either responding to the call of this guy blocking traffic, or is passing by and sees it
-story gets vague-
confrontation occurs
cops skull fractured
6 shots fired
guy is dead
witnesses claim cop executed the guy while his hands were up and he was on his knees begging to not be shot while on the sidewalk
riots ensue
more rioting
rioting?
yep still rioting


Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 22, 2014, 02:02:28 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/ferguson-the-untold-story_b_5697928.html
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 22, 2014, 02:43:45 pm
The Amazing Way This Woman Reacted When Her Husband Came Out As Gay
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Leshma on August 22, 2014, 03:28:38 pm
Hussein Brrack Obama should stand up for his own people, superior american people. Help them populate the land, spread and conquer sqrawny, obese and physically inadequate white americans. He should convert to his original faith, true faith of the free black man. Religion of love, religion of peace and understanding, the only true religion.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Oberyn on August 22, 2014, 03:38:59 pm
Nothing sadder than seeing a retard think it's clever. Run along back to obsessing over pixels Leshma, you're not equipped to have an opinion on anything else.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Kafein on August 22, 2014, 03:40:05 pm
But if he converted he would get -20 infidel malus with all governor vassals, plus -50 with the zealous governors.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Butan on August 22, 2014, 03:57:46 pm
Nothing sadder than seeing a retard think it's clever. Run along back to obsessing over pixels Leshma, you're not equipped to have an opinion on anything else.

You're too clever for your own good  :lol:


Hussein Brrack Obama should stand up for his own people, superior american people. Help them populate the land, spread and conquer sqrawny, obese and physically inadequate white americans. He should convert to his original faith, true faith of the free black man. Religion of love, religion of peace and understanding, the only true religion.


Get your meds Leshma. Its not too late.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Tibe on August 22, 2014, 03:58:44 pm
The Amazing Way This Woman Reacted When Her Husband Came Out As Gay

So I wasnt the only one who instantly clicked on that after opening the link.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Leshma on August 22, 2014, 04:24:19 pm
Nothing sadder than seeing a retard think it's clever. Run along back to obsessing over pixels Leshma, you're not equipped to have an opinion on anything else.

I don't have an opinion on this matter, just trying to bait someone and possibly piss him off, at least a little bit. Why would I give a fuck what is happening in USA, have enough of my own problems. Never cared much about americans, even when those people died on 9/11 I was like, shit happens, life goes on. Didn't influence me in the slightest bit.

But trolling in such tight knit community like this on is like the sweetest poison known to man, once you taste it, it's hard to let go. It might be failed attempt most of the time, but when it strikes a vein it becomes really interesting.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Chosen1 on August 22, 2014, 05:02:03 pm
Speaking of trolling...

http://www.businessinsider.com/gofundme-campaign-supporting-darren-wilson-2014-8

https://www.gofundme.com/SupportOfficerWilson

A gofundme.com fundraiser for Darren Wilson has raised 200000 US dollars in 5 days.. 50000 more than the one for the Michael Brown memorial fundraiser  :lol:
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Oberyn on August 22, 2014, 05:04:35 pm
Yes Leshma, you're a master pupeteer. Infinitely superior to everyone else in this shit community, mere pawns that you manipulate for your amusement. Maybe it's time to take your ball and go home like a whiny child again. What is it now, 4th time you've "quit" ?

insert I'm a retard -go away retard- hurdur joke's on them cartoon here.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Leshma on August 22, 2014, 05:10:52 pm
You should read what is written. I like to troll, just like majority of internet inhabitants. And just like majority I ain't good at it. But that won't stop me. Master puppeteer stuff is something you project, has no basis in reality.

Also, in case you haven't figured out already, I'm mildly autistic. Which means that even if I wanted to truly form a bond with this community and act for real or whatever, I really can't. Hard enough to keep relationship with people I don't see on daily basis, having a proper relationship with internet people is impossible task for me.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Falka on August 22, 2014, 05:27:59 pm
Why would I give a fuck what is happening in USA,

Few years ago during marathon somewhere in the America some guy got shot by terrorist (if I recall correctly). It was such a huge news, but I never got it why. One guy killed thousands of kilometers away from my country but everyone in media got so excited, while everyday hundreds if not thousands of people die a violent death everywhere around the world and noone gives a flying fuck. Huh, people are weird.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Christo on August 22, 2014, 05:31:18 pm
You mean in Boston? That was a bombing though.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 22, 2014, 06:51:01 pm
I'm mildly autistic.
I'm shocked, I tell you, SHOCKED.

What happened to the personality that doesn't take part in internet debates and doesn't like trolling?
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Leshma on August 22, 2014, 07:09:23 pm
Making stuff up is also part of trolling, anything to provoke reaction. You know that better than me. And I don't debate on internet, that is too much effort for no gain. Spouting random crap on the other hand...
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER on August 22, 2014, 07:10:30 pm
i dont know whos trolling who anymore, we've gone too deep guys, i don't know if we can extricate ourselves from this
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Leshma on August 22, 2014, 07:19:27 pm
I think you're a good troll, Daruvian. Not Huey Newton or Shik level but not bad. chadz is the overall king troll, no contest there. He unbanned me for no good reason just to have another active forum "idiot" writing meaningless stuff on his forum. Xant is the young prince troll whose transformation from being skilled and mostly quiet cRPG player, to a weaker part of interesting scandinavian troll duo to being probably the most annoying person to "discuss" with. He blows the likes of Kafein out of the water.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 22, 2014, 08:07:43 pm
No doubt there, chadz is the ultimate troll.  Pretty sure that was his intention with c-rpg was just to fuck with people, and then when it caught on he realized he should take it fairly seriously. 
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: wayyyyyne on August 22, 2014, 09:38:36 pm
Holy crap the gofund me page for officer Wilson is the funniest thing I've read in a while. Things like Watermelondrea Latarius Jefferson "he was a good boi he didn du nuffin he was goinna college" but see for yourself

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Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 22, 2014, 09:56:40 pm
That's fucking tragic.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Chosen1 on August 22, 2014, 10:05:23 pm
Holy crap the gofund me page for officer Wilson is the funniest thing I've read in a while. Things like Watermelondrea Latarius Jefferson "he was a good boi he didn du nuffin he was goinna college" but see for yourself

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Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Kafein on August 22, 2014, 10:18:43 pm
Those gofundme donators are the most successful trolls on earth right now, it's like reading DayZ steam reviews all over again.

ofc it's 4chan
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Laufknoten on August 22, 2014, 11:26:42 pm
Holy crap the gofund me page for officer Wilson is the funniest thing I've read in a while. Things like Watermelondrea Latarius Jefferson "he was a good boi he didn du nuffin he was goinna college" but see for yourself

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Lol, this is gold. :D
Obviously 4chan (/pol) is behind this.
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/pol/ack discovered gofundme campaign called 'Support Officer Wilson' & ignited a fire. Donations for evil, white supremacist childkiller chocolate chip cookie Wilson soon surpassed the amount that was raised for Mike 'Jesus' Brown. SJWs butthurt like never before, image related. /pol/ having the time of it's life, nearly drowning in libtard tears since then. Late to the party? View image related. Massive keks guaranteed.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Jeade on August 23, 2014, 06:19:54 am
A gofundme.com fundraiser for Darren Wilson has raised 200000 US dollars in 5 days.. 50000 more than the one for the Michael Brown memorial fundraiser  :lol:

And tumblr is hilariously pissed about it.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Kafein on August 23, 2014, 11:53:58 am
I think you're a good troll, Daruvian. Not Huey Newton or Shik level but not bad. chadz is the overall king troll, no contest there. He unbanned me for no good reason just to have another active forum "idiot" writing meaningless stuff on his forum. Xant is the young prince troll whose transformation from being skilled and mostly quiet cRPG player, to a weaker part of interesting scandinavian troll duo to being probably the most annoying person to "discuss" with. He blows the likes of Kafein out of the water.

Hey hey hey hey hey there, I never participated in a trolling contest against anyone. When I'm not serious on the Internet I'm not even trying to deceive anyone. I don't call what I do trolling, it's more like a comedian show. In my opinion, trolls are the likes of Xant "chocolate chip cookies didn't do genocide".


And tumblr is hilariously pissed about it.

It's not just tumblr. The whole planet is taking the bait.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Butan on August 23, 2014, 01:59:59 pm
And even if those donations were all serious, the e-peen moralistic constest between the two support campaign is hilarious.


Both should have waited for the result of the legal proceedings if they really wanted to support the just cause, or at least to have way more in-depth information on where they are spending their money.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Oberyn on August 23, 2014, 04:40:05 pm
This whole thing was a media farce from the start. Network executives probably having multiple orgasms at the thought of stretching it out even further than the Martin/Zimmerman thing. It's even better this time, there's riots!! Look at those ratings.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 23, 2014, 04:43:48 pm
That's fucking tragic.
LOL
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Osiris on August 23, 2014, 09:24:47 pm
wow so many people know exactly how it went down  :rolleyes: The comments from both sides are pretty funny tbh :D Calling a guy murderer scum before a trial classy innocent until proven guilty still alive and kicking  :lol:
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Xant on August 23, 2014, 09:28:30 pm
wow so many people know exactly how it went down  :rolleyes: The comments from both sides are pretty funny tbh :D Calling a guy murderer scum before a trial classy innocent until proven guilty still alive and kicking  :lol:
Well, yeah, it doesn't make much sense to be 100% convinced either way yet. I think a lot of those "it was a good shoot" people are just saying it as an opposite reaction to all the people who were INSTANTLY sure it was a bad shoot, despite having no information about it at all.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Osiris on August 23, 2014, 09:40:33 pm
yeah im sure 90% of those are total troll posts but people be so mad  :lol:
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Sniger on August 23, 2014, 10:44:45 pm
http://www.klfy.com/story/26349989/victor-white-autopsy-findings-released
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on August 24, 2014, 01:44:47 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ta2-7QJM78&bpctr=1408839226
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Butan on August 24, 2014, 02:07:11 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ta2-7QJM78&bpctr=1408839226

Suiciding on policemen becoming a new USA trend.

All those people around with their recorders... sad specimens of humankind.
Title: Re: Shooting and protests in Ferguson, Missouri
Post by: Oberyn on August 25, 2014, 04:12:35 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR465HoCWFQ