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Title: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on July 08, 2014, 10:12:02 pm
::Blades of Ouroboros::

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The Blades of Ouroboros is a mercenary group formed by warriors from all around the world. The banner depicts the serpentine Ouroboros which symbolizes eternal life, with a blade piercing through showing the serpent's undying nature.

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About Us

We are a small clan who is tight knit and work together in the name of fun, comradery, and "multies". Very laid back clan, in the sense that we aren't "hot headed try hard neckbeards". Our members should be well composed both in the battlefield and in communication.
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How to Apply

Apply to join The Blades of Ouroboros by sending a PM to
Tojo (http://forum.melee.org/index.php?action=profile;u=19008)
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Draeth (http://forum.melee.org/index.php?action=profile;u=288)
You should also apply to the clan ladder page on the forums
Here (http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=ladderoverviewclans#!?page=claninfodetail&id=1240)
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING
Post by: Tojo on July 08, 2014, 10:12:47 pm
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Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING
Post by: Jona on July 08, 2014, 10:29:42 pm
Best of luck. Hope you can swell your ranks with new recruits for the good of crpg (and NA siege)!



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Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING
Post by: Draeth on July 09, 2014, 12:10:34 am
phew gets on here and there

i think he has been busy lately :rolleyes:
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING
Post by: Jona on July 09, 2014, 12:35:43 am
Ever since siege died, I haven't seen him on.  :cry:

Can't blame him though. Battle really sucks unless you're on in force with your pals.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING
Post by: Tojo on July 09, 2014, 02:51:19 am
Battle is cool Jona throw in an alt and I'll accept you :lol:
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING
Post by: Taser on July 09, 2014, 03:25:28 am
Just saying GL with this. Hope you guys can do well with this.

You just going to be a siege only clan? Ignoring strat?
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING
Post by: Tojo on July 09, 2014, 04:38:57 am
Just saying GL with this. Hope you guys can do well with this.

You just going to be a siege only clan? Ignoring strat?

Battle and Siege mostly battle. If I can get enough people strat is a possibility, however less than 7 or so is hard.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING
Post by: Taser on July 09, 2014, 04:41:20 am
Battle and Siege mostly battle. If I can get enough people strat is a possibility, however less than 7 or so is hard.

Just 1 person (or taser) is enough to change strat. I believe in you!

But if you guys are on siege I'll have to make sure I get in there more often.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING
Post by: Jona on July 09, 2014, 05:42:18 am
But if you guys are on siege I'll have to make sure I get in there more often.

No one is on siege these days. Everyone has the similar mentality "If you guys are on, I will hop on." Unfortunately no one can really gather enough to kickstart siege anymore. You need roughly 10 people to hop on at once and stay on until more people accumulate to ever really get it going. Clans have shrunken down so that 1 clan isn't enough breathe life into it these days. These guys are mostly all hardcore siege players... so if they could gather new recruits who are just as siege-dedicated as them (or easily brainwashed  :lol:) then maybe, just maybe, NA2 can get jump started by a single clan again.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING
Post by: Taser on July 09, 2014, 05:44:59 am
No one is on siege these days. Everyone has the similar mentality "If you guys are on, I will hop on." Unfortunately no one can really gather enough to kickstart siege anymore. You need roughly 10 people to hop on at once and stay on until more people accumulate to ever really get it going. Clans have shrunken down so that 1 clan isn't enough breathe life into it these days. These guys are mostly all hardcore siege players... so if they could gather new recruits who are just as siege-dedicated as them (or easily brainwashed  :lol:) then maybe, just maybe, NA2 can get jump started by a single clan again.

This is true.

Siege is fun until it gets down to like 10 people then it sucks since people leave when it becomes a lopsided map. So its just a countdown to when it gets to 8 or less. And if you have people joining in, the build back up rarely occurs since people are in that "aw shit siege is dying" mode.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING
Post by: Tojo on July 09, 2014, 05:51:10 am
Siege is fun until it gets down to like 10 people then it sucks since people leave when it becomes a lopsided map. So its just a countdown to when it gets to 8 or less. And if you have people joining in, the build back up rarely occurs since people are in that "aw shit siege is dying" mode.

For Taser:
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Recruiting anyone right now especially novices. We will make men from peasants and bring cRPG back to life!
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING
Post by: Jona on July 09, 2014, 06:02:35 am
This is true.

Siege is fun until it gets down to like 10 people then it sucks since people leave when it becomes a lopsided [or boring] map. So its just a countdown to when it gets to 8 or less. And if you have people joining in, the build back up rarely occurs since people are in that "aw shit siege is dying" mode.

Precisely the problem with it... the already small siege community got fucked over several times... the addition of bad maps, the addition of faulty a spawn timer, the removal of (a correctly functioning) spawn timer, the addition of buggy, impossible-to-win conquest maps, the refused removal of bad maps (or election of any NA representative to help determine what a bad map is... poor Eli was our only hope), etc etc. Literally the only good thing to happen to siege in the past year or so was the addition of the spawn timer (once it was scaled appropriately).
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING
Post by: HappyPhantom on July 09, 2014, 06:14:41 am
Good luck chaps! ALL HAIL SIEEEEEEGGGGGEEEEE.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING
Post by: GandalfJr on July 09, 2014, 07:13:04 am
Battle and Siege mostly battle. If I can get enough people strat is a possibility, however less than 7 or so is hard.
Sloths are doing fine with 5 people in strat a castle and 2 villages.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING
Post by: Tojo on July 09, 2014, 07:51:23 am
Sloths are doing fine with 5 people in strat a castle and 2 villages.

 8-) that was the or so part
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING
Post by: Sari on July 09, 2014, 05:16:53 pm
rip HG
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING
Post by: HappyPhantom on July 09, 2014, 09:20:10 pm
Sloths are doing fine with 5 people in strat a castle and 2 villages.

Thanks to your red haired overlord.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING
Post by: Bronto on July 10, 2014, 10:51:28 pm
Thanks to your red haired overlord.

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Conan?
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on July 10, 2014, 11:55:15 pm
We have a new member  ! :shock: ! Welcome LG_Hynn the archer.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING
Post by: Phew on July 14, 2014, 09:28:58 pm
P.S. Is Phew still alive? Haven't seen him in ages.

Alive, but not playing much cRPG. I miss siege :( I play duel and DTV sometimes. I keep giving battle a chance, but I still loathe that game mode (even when I'm rolling x5 and Valor).

I logged onto duel for a few minutes yesterday and saw the new banner, so I came here to get the scoop. The new banner is cool, but I don't really like white gear (I wear heraldic armor, helm, and shield; all the white is blinding). I'll probably switch to the black/white Warband banner that the old ATS used unless we actually have a group going.

Hope you guys are able to revive siege! It's the best game I've played in 20+ years of gaming.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING
Post by: Tojo on July 14, 2014, 11:12:24 pm

I logged onto duel for a few minutes yesterday and saw the new banner, so I came here to get the scoop. The new banner is cool, but I don't really like white gear (I wear heraldic armor, helm, and shield; all the white is blinding). I'll probably switch to the black/white Warband banner that the old ATS used unless we actually have a group going.


Hey Phew, I would like to accommodate you with a cool banner, however my photo shop skillz are minimal. If you think you can edit it for a different color I would be glad to let you.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING
Post by: Jona on July 14, 2014, 11:14:56 pm
Alive, but not playing much cRPG. I miss siege :( I play duel and DTV sometimes. I keep giving battle a chance, but I still loathe that game mode (even when I'm rolling x5 and Valor).

I logged onto duel for a few minutes yesterday and saw the new banner, so I came here to get the scoop. The new banner is cool, but I don't really like white gear (I wear heraldic armor, helm, and shield; all the white is blinding). I'll probably switch to the black/white Warband banner that the old ATS used unless we actually have a group going.

Hope you guys are able to revive siege! It's the best game I've played in 20+ years of gaming.


Hurray! And no one can blame you for not playing anymore... siege was where all the fun was. Heck, DTV used to be a fun place to go when waiting for siege to get populated, but not anymore. I'm only on battle nowadays, and it ain't worth it unless I'm on with a stack of 4+ Hounds. Battle is just too boring when you go it alone, regardless of the ridiculous amounts of valor, x5 trains and easy kills.

Also, I hate to break it to you, but you're wrong. Crash Bandicoot is the best game played in ~20 years of gaming.  :wink:

Hey Phew, I would like to accommodate you with a cool banner, however my photo shop skillz are minimal. If you think you can edit it for a different color I would be glad to let you.

I could point you in the direction of a couple good banner makers if you want. (Where the heck is Eli, for starters?!?! :P)
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING
Post by: Phew on July 15, 2014, 03:27:12 am
Hey Phew, I would like to accommodate you with a cool banner, however my photo shop skillz are minimal. If you think you can edit it for a different color I would be glad to let you.

Don't change on account of me; I hardly play. I do like the inverted one better though, although you need to change the background color to be black or grey to match the front. What do you think about inverting the black/white but keeping red for the border/blade? The Day-glo cyan is a bit anachronistic. I don't do photoshop, but I assume you could do the above with some kind of recolor tool or something.

Good luck!
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING
Post by: Tojo on July 15, 2014, 04:05:28 am
Don't change on account of me; I hardly play. I do like the inverted one better though, although you need to change the background color to be black or grey to match the front. What do you think about inverting the black/white but keeping red for the border/blade? The Day-glo cyan is a bit anachronistic. I don't do photoshop, but I assume you could do the above with some kind of recolor tool or something.

Good luck!

your wish is my command

You are right though, the red is more suiting. I am learning Gimp shop while doing our banner.  :shock:
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Jona on July 15, 2014, 05:01:10 am
Banner looks nice now.  8-)

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Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Zoarander on July 15, 2014, 05:36:22 am
Awesome!! Love seeing new clans. Hope this works out and siege can be revived :).
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on July 15, 2014, 04:07:25 pm
Good job on the banner update Tojo; I like it a lot now.

PS, I uploaded the new red/black banner to Zagibu's viewer, if anyone wants to play dress up (it's listed as "BoO.jpg"):
http://node23.net/zagibu/cRPGViewer/ (http://node23.net/zagibu/cRPGViewer/)
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Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Zoarander on July 18, 2014, 05:32:07 pm
You guys take alts??
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on July 18, 2014, 08:41:32 pm
You guys take alts??

Yes sir Blades of Ouroboros on ladder. Pretty much anyone is allowed, just no fascists or communists
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on July 18, 2014, 09:01:09 pm
just no fascists

I hope I'm not the only one that sees the irony of a guy named Tojo Hideki excluding fascists from his clan :)
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Screaming Idiot on July 20, 2014, 03:29:01 am
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What armor piece is that? I've never found it on the database, at least not under its name on the shop (Heraldic Surcoat over Mail and Plate).

Also nice clan, best of luck.  :)
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on July 20, 2014, 04:57:29 am
Ladies and gentlenerds, may I present our newest member "The_Ugly_Potato" !!! :mrgreen:
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Screaming Idiot on July 20, 2014, 04:54:16 pm
Ladies and gentlenerds, may I present our newest member "The_Ugly_Potato" !!! :mrgreen:

Testicleez?
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on July 20, 2014, 08:17:04 pm
Testicleez?

Testi is dead may we never speak of his name again...
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on July 21, 2014, 01:33:26 am
What armor piece is that? I've never found it on the database, at least not under its name on the shop (Heraldic Surcoat over Mail and Plate).

It was briefly called Short Heraldic something or another, and that's how it's listed in Zagibu's viewer.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Screaming Idiot on July 21, 2014, 04:48:35 am
Testi is dead may we never speak of his name again...

remember potato 2014
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on August 01, 2014, 11:29:46 pm
Don't worry guys I will never abandon you like our old leader Smellindork. I be back late tonight.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Penitent on August 02, 2014, 12:44:37 am
Don't forget to add me to member list!  I'm back.

However, I only play siege.  I love you siege.  Lately on the weekends and some evenings we get 20-40 peeps, good times.

I'll see you around, siege bros.  Battle bros you doin all right, respect.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Penitent on August 02, 2014, 12:53:06 am
BTW, does anyone have any unloomed plate armor to put in the armory?  I was thinking about buying some, but figured it's better to make sure I like it before dropping the gold.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on August 02, 2014, 01:40:56 am
Yea there are some edits I have to make to faction page that are just a huge pain to do on my phone.

As for plate armor, I don't think we have any. If you want to buy some and stick it in armory I can reimburse you some of the costs.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Draeth on August 02, 2014, 05:38:57 pm
what set of armor do you want ?

ill put it in the the armory
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Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Penitent on August 02, 2014, 05:53:52 pm
what set of armor do you want ?

ill put it in the the armory
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I was eyeing the "gothic plate", or "plate armor".  I'm too poor right now to buy it though LOL.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Draeth on August 02, 2014, 05:56:04 pm
Ok i put both in....


enjoy
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Penitent on August 02, 2014, 06:04:14 pm
Ok i put both in the armor....


enjoy

Oh wow!  Thanks dude.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on August 02, 2014, 06:50:23 pm
Oh wow!  Thanks dude.

That's why we are best clan NA!  :wink:... after EON ofcourse
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Penitent on August 07, 2014, 06:34:02 pm
I'm going out of town for a bit (Switzerland!).  I've had my flanged mace on the market to trade it for something different -- but if it doesn't trade by the time my plane leaves, I'll stick it in the armory for ppl to use.

If only I had a computer over there, I could whoop some EU butt for a while.  I guess I'll just have to look at majestic mountains instead. :)  See you later!
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Draeth on August 08, 2014, 01:01:30 am
damn i'm jealous  :evil:

let me know how Switzerland is
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on August 08, 2014, 02:38:19 pm
I'm going out of town for a bit (Switzerland!).  I've had my flanged mace on the market to trade it for something different -- but if it doesn't trade by the time my plane leaves, I'll stick it in the armory for ppl to use.

If only I had a computer over there, I could whoop some EU butt for a while.  I guess I'll just have to look at majestic mountains instead. :)  See you later!

I'd have to slap you if you spent any time in Switzerland playing video games anyway. Have a great trip!
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on August 08, 2014, 02:54:36 pm
BOO, NA'S most cultured clan 2014... you should try their schmoke and a pancake, or cigar and a waffle.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on August 13, 2014, 06:56:13 pm
I accepted Ranger_Rick's application on Jona's request; it's either his alt or one of his friends (I didn't ask him). So be nice to him, or Jona will probably cleave me even more often than he already does with that damn axe.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Jona on August 13, 2014, 07:27:20 pm
Yeah it's just my alt. I might switch him out for a different one so that I can banner stack with him and my other alt (so if you guys are on en masse, I make my alt(s) join your clan as a supporter, and if HoC is on and you aren't, I revert back to the good old green and white). I was just too lazy to make a new character just to use as a banner-stacker.

In fact, I'm gonna do that right now... be on the lookout for an applicant with a name something like "BoO_Banner_Stack."
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on August 13, 2014, 07:41:32 pm
Yeah it's just my alt. I might switch him out for a different one so that I can banner stack with him and my other alt (so if you guys are on en masse, I make my alt(s) join your clan as a supporter, and if HoC is on and you aren't, I revert back to the good old green and white). I was just too lazy to make a new character just to use as a banner-stacker.

In fact, I'm gonna do that right now... be on the lookout for an applicant with a name something like "BoO_Banner_Stack."

I haven't seen more than 3 of us on at a given time in a while, so don't get your hopes up for BoO banner stack glory. And if I'm on battle, it's usually with my 2h guy who usually just gets couched or steamrolled in the first 30s of every round, so I'm not contributing to a multiplier; Tojo and Draeth are pretty evil on their ponies though.

Maybe a red and yellow phallus would serve your purposes better? ;)
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Jona on August 13, 2014, 08:10:03 pm
Never would I stoop so low!

Regardless, I am not "counting on a banner stack for infinite x5's," I just prefer to fight alongside other guys than just fight alone... so if I am ever on and no one from HoC is, I can always hop on one of my alts to banner up with you guys, if you're online. I just have more fun when employing teamwork (however minimal) as opposed to solo-heroing all the time. Siege... well, that's another story... but I imagine I will be seeing you guys mostly in NA1.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on August 13, 2014, 08:25:30 pm
Oda has been on recently and I'd say we do enough on the field to earn our multis. Up until recently I've been crutching on looms for valor, but since right team doesn't get valor (thanks Tydeus and Obama) life's been rough for me and my horse.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on August 13, 2014, 08:35:57 pm
I just have more fun when employing teamwork (however minimal) as opposed to solo-heroing all the time.

I hear you; "following the green" on battle is usually the surest way to win when balanced onto the HoC team. I just hate how every battle round ends with one delaying cav (usually HA) on the losing team, and you have to spend the last minute watching a flag slowly raise (and that delayer is always rewarded with valor). I don't see how that's anyone's idea of fun. That proposal whereby you are ineligible for valor 30s after the flags appear unless you are within a certain radius of the flag would fix the mode for me. Until then, I'd rather do house chores than play battle.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Jona on August 13, 2014, 08:54:13 pm
Yeah, the flags definitely need some work to reach their full potential I think. Currently they are annoying whether they work or not, imo. If you are the last (melee) guy alive on your team, and are actively fighting enemies and making your way to the flags (which always seem to spawn on the other side of the map) the flags should rise slower, or something for every melee swing you get off on an enemy. So long as honest-to-goodness fighting is occurring, the flags shouldn't rise and end the round as far as I'm concerned. If there is one guy left alive who is just pew pewing from the top of a tower, or from horseback, well, the flags should continue to rise and encourage that he get his hands a little dirty. Heck, maybe for every arrow than hits someone or even their shield in the flag area, the flags should gain a little boost for the other team to help out in those 1v1 ranged vs. melee situations.

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Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Taser on August 13, 2014, 09:21:50 pm
I think that if flags are up and its one ranged guy left on the other team vs a bunch of melee, that ranged guy should automatically get uranium tipped arrows that do 1000 damage with crushthrough.




















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Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on August 22, 2014, 03:45:25 pm
Lowlights from my first hour playing cav in cRPG:
-Missed a couch against an AFK peasant in spawn. Twice.
-Couched two teammates' horses by accident
-Snuck up on an archer from behind, missed 3 consecutive 1h sword swings while he was zoomed and unaware of me. He finally caught on and hacked my horse to death while I cried.
-Dehorsed or killed by every single opposing cavalry I jousted with
-Reared by almost every type of inanimate object on the map (trees, rocks, buildings, fences, etc).

Highlights:
-Opposing horse archer wasted two entire rounds shooting dozens of arrows at me, without ever killing me or my horse
-Looked sexy with heraldic armor+helm+shield+lance+horse (thanks Draeth!)
-Horse never had to be repaired in a full hour of x1 (good thing too, cus this was a STF with 3k gold to his name)

So yeah, I suck at cav, but I think of it as a slightly more interactive spectator mode for Battle. So I'll probably still do it for my alt's next gen.



Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Jona on August 22, 2014, 04:07:12 pm
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I managed only half a gen of cav (levels 1-30) before the cav patch where I decided to use my reclaimed cav points as IF and just finish the gen off (30-31) as a shielder. To me, all the excitement happens on foot. As you said, cav is basically just a cool interactive spectator mode... kinda how I'd imagine flying a fighter jet through a WW2 battle would feel. You have the option to land some free kills with your machine gun... but good luck hitting anything. As with flying, you only have a few counters... other aircraft (cav), anti-air guns (long 2d or 1d polearms... as a lancer cav even the shorter 2d poles aren't much threat to be honest), and of course the ground/scenery. The only time anti cav weapons were much of a problem for me was when I knew I was taking a risk, and like my melee playstyle, I just charged right in. They are pretty easy to avoid in my opinion. But as with all cav, the amount of kills you get, the amount of fun you have, and the amount of time you are alive on the battlefield are all dependent on one thing: how big your balls are. You can certainly play out the whole round in a glorified spectator mode as most HA do. On horseback, not much can harm you, and if you are actively on the lookout for, and take precautions to avoid, said things you will be fine. Hence on horseback I either died really soon, or survived for the entire round not accomplishing much. I knew that when I started to feel relieved I was getting dehorsed that it was time to rethink this money-sink of a build I had. My best KDRs always ended up being the rounds where I got dehorsed early and played the rest of the round out on foot. That cav patch was a blessing for my alt.

Anyways, my 1h cav tips:
- Swing much later than when you think you should. I would always seemingly swing through my target with every pass, but it was apparently because I was completing my swing before contact. Hold your swing until you are about to hit your target, then release. It doesn't quite line up with what you see, but that's how yah gotta do it.
- As with on foot, left swing best swing.
- When you get a little better fighting other cav, use the 1h stab a little. It is goofy on horseback, but it does wonders since high speed bonus + high pierce damage + least expected attack direction.

And my (couching) lancer cav tips:
- Don't miss.
- Seriously though, just hit X to couch and line it up.
- You have plenty of time to line it up before you automatically retract.
- It's actually pretty easy.
- And skill-less.
- Just keep in mind the lance tip is farther away than it looks, and you will be golden.

Come to think of it, I probably should have just gone lancer cav from the start. I only used the colored lance in the duel server against a seasoned cav player and I went at least 1 to 1 in our jousting matches. I once picked up a MW great lance in NA1 and went on a 5 or 6 kill streak in one life, my record for cav. This was all done with 0 wpf in polearms, in case that actually matters for couching. Anyways, have fun with your cav gen, and I look forward to seeing you (read: dehorsing and killing you) on the battlefield.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on August 22, 2014, 06:06:07 pm
Thanks for the tips Jona! My 2h is still like 5mil from retiring, so it'll be a while before I'm riding around on NA1 again.

For my STF I just split WPF between 1h and pole, which is probably what I'd do for real. Although it doesn't seem like polearm wpf has any meaningful impact on couching, so maybe I'd just go full 1h and use a colored lance.

I do see the potential for more fun on Battle with cav than I have as infantry. Infantry on Battle just seems so one-dimensional; run around with a clump of teammates, gangbang stragglers while trying to avoid cav. Or more often, be the one getting gangbanged. Cav seem to be playing their own metagame where the fun factor is less at the mercy of the autobalancer (even if your multi is still dependent on autobalance).
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Jona on August 22, 2014, 06:15:25 pm
Thanks for the tips Jona! My 2h is still like 5mil from retiring, so it'll be a while before I'm riding around on NA1 again.

For my STF I just split WPF between 1h and pole, which is probably what I'd do for real. Although it doesn't seem like polearm wpf has any meaningful impact on couching, so maybe I'd just go full 1h and use a colored lance.

I do see the potential for more fun on Battle with cav than I have as infantry. Infantry on Battle just seems so one-dimensional; run around with a clump of teammates, gangbang stragglers while trying to avoid cav. Or more often, be the one getting gangbanged. Cav seem to be playing their own metagame where the fun factor is less at the mercy of the autobalancer (even if your multi is still dependent on autobalance).

For me the only fun that comes from battle is being part of a banner stack and then coordinating in TS. We usually act as a squad and fight on our own holding down the rest of our team's flank, or trying to outmaneuver the enemy, or charging their ranged nest if it is a problem for our team, and so on. I agree that going solo in battle is more often than not very boring. You either stay as part of the gank squad or you try and have some fun using tactics and such, only to get ganked since you went off on your own. Not to mention that when off on your own those metagaming cav players pick you out as a nice bully-able target. Honestly Phew, the guys in your clan are pretty cool... you should pop into TS once in a while and coordinate in NA1. I was never much of a TS guy at first but it makes the mod actually playable. And heck, if your clan isn't online when you are, you should check into some other clans' TS's. Most of us don't bite.  :wink:

Oh, and I think the only noticeable effect that polearm wpf has on couching is that you get a small increase in damage (as you would with any type of melee weapon). MAYBE it affects the time it takes to lower or raise your lance... no idea.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on August 22, 2014, 07:01:17 pm
Don't worry I am a true Horse whisperer and my horse tells me all the cavalry secrets.

Pole wpf affects how fast you can couch, the maximum dmg, and how fast you can "reload" couch.

Phew I'd be more than happy to help practice cavalry. I'm glad I have a cav buddy!
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on August 22, 2014, 07:07:43 pm
Don't worry I am a true Horse whisperer and my horse tells me all the cavalry secrets.

Pole wpf affects how fast you can couch, the maximum dmg, and how fast you can "reload" couch.

Phew I'd be more than happy to help practice cavalry. I'm glad I have a cav buddy!

Cool, thanks. I would like to practice couch jousting until it's a 50/50 proposition, and I haven't pulled off a bumpslash yet. I need to retire this 2h guy first though.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on August 23, 2014, 07:38:43 pm
Here Phew this is pretty good read. http://forum.melee.org/beginner's-help-and-guides/guide-to-lancer-cavalry-for-newbies/msg1049576/#msg1049576 I'm sure you know some of this already, but it's a good guide. The only thing he doesn't really include are cav vs cav maneuvers for dueling enemy cav.

Examples:

When being chased by cav that is faster than you or tailing you close, try using the horse rear button to instant stop and make them ride past you. Make sure they aren't directly behind you,  and make sure they don't have a swing held waiting for you to stop.

When dueling cav head on the stab thrust of lance is almost always better than couch. Stabbing gives you extra reach and with good timing will outreach a couch with the weapon of same length.

When dueling cav or infantry head on, don't charge in at max speed. Most people are expecting full speed charge for max dmg. However, switching up your speed before going in to attack can throw off your opponent. Think of your W and S keys as the throttle for your horse. Approach the enemy at half speed or 3/4 then throttle up to max speed right before you make close.

Just some more tips I have learned.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Wolfsblood on August 23, 2014, 09:31:52 pm
You guys mind if I throw an alt on ur banner since its really cool looking?

p.s.
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p.p.s.
now that I know there are people who are still trying to breathe some life into siege ill give it a try as well.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Draeth on August 23, 2014, 09:37:46 pm
sure man...

just apply and i'll accept :D
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Wolfsblood on August 23, 2014, 09:50:40 pm
okay I applied.

ty
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on August 26, 2014, 07:29:29 pm
Phew you may reconsider going cav, devs keep fucking over cav more and more. With the new damage bonus vs horses it may be go for cav.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on August 26, 2014, 08:19:42 pm
Phew you may reconsider going cav, devs keep fucking over cav more and more. With the new damage bonus vs horses it may be go for cav.

If this minimum multiplier of x2 for Conquest revives siege, I'll just play my main. I just wanted an alt that's fun for battle, and even a gimped cav seems like it would be more fun on battle than 1h.

2D pole is my fallback option if cav doesn't work out; swiss+spear+shield (or swiss+war spear+buckler) seems like an OP loadout that wouldn't have a weakness.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Penitent on September 04, 2014, 11:46:35 pm
Ok, I've had one of my chars join KuTT, so if you see my name under their banner, don't be alarmed.  I'm just feeling things out and giving them a try. :)
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on September 04, 2014, 11:49:48 pm
Ok, I've had one of my chars join KuTT, so if you see my name under their banner, don't be alarmed.  I'm just feeling things out and giving them a try. :)

We will water board you until you TK the KuTT under their banner.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on September 05, 2014, 02:23:50 am
Ok, I've had one of my chars join KuTT, so if you see my name under their banner, don't be alarmed.  I'm just feeling things out and giving them a try. :)

I'd almost be willing to put up with a purple boner bear on my banner if I meant I didn't have to face Gallo and his maddening combination of kick spams and one-shotting overheads. So I feel ya.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Penitent on September 05, 2014, 03:29:29 am
I'd almost be willing to put up with a purple boner bear on my banner if I meant I didn't have to face Gallo and his maddening combination of kick spams and one-shotting overheads. So I feel ya.

Oh god...those 1h-hit overheads...every time...

They did get rid of the boner though.  I checked before agreeing. :)
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Jona on September 05, 2014, 06:30:36 am
1h-hit

1hit-hit? 1hand-hit? Huh?  :P

I'm assuming you meant 1hit-KO or something, but for the longest time I was reading it as 1hand overheads... and I thought you were talking about Phew at first to which I mentally said "yep, I agree. They are definitely quite tricky (and fast)." Then I read the quote and realized you were talking about gallon. Then I knew you meant 1-hit. :D I was hoping that ever since maxing out my build with 6 IF I would be able to take more hits from him, but I am still lucky to live past the first. One the rare occasion speed bonus works severely in my favor, and I live past the second hit, I am so shocked I don't even see the 3rd hit coming.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on September 05, 2014, 03:08:05 pm
I was hoping that ever since maxing out my build with 6 IF I would be able to take more hits from him, but I am still lucky to live past the first. One the rare occasion speed bonus works severely in my favor, and I live past the second hit, I am so shocked I don't even see the 3rd hit coming.

Whenever he's on the other team, I seriously consider just spawning naked, because his overheads usually one-shot me despite 58 head armor and 58 HP. I can't stab, because he gets a free overhead during the stab stun, and I can't left swing or overhead because if I'm in range for those attacks, I'm in kick range (his kicks always land; I can't even land a kick on an AFK). Spamming right swing while backpedaling is the only tactic remaining, and that's no way to beat a good player like Gallon, especially since he can survive at least 10 hits from me. His only weakness is that he does fall for perfect feints, but that only works once (after that he just swings through your feints).
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Penitent on September 05, 2014, 03:44:48 pm
1hit-hit? 1hand-hit? Huh?  :P

I have no idea what I was thinking when I typed that, but yeah...I was trying to refer to those overhead 1-shot kills.  You know, when Gallon's razor bec of tears and mourning destroys your helm, your face, and your hopes and dreams for that round.  The expert kicks are the nail in the coffin.

Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Jona on September 06, 2014, 01:06:09 am
Yeah, kicks are still pretty dumb and never seem to line up properly for me, regardless of what ping I have. I hit an afk guy perfectly, but my foot passes right through him. I am backpedaling (with 8 athletics, mind you) and get kicked by a plate crutch who is standing still in front of me, slightly off to one side or the other. Kicks don't really even have a place in this mod now that nudges have been successfully implemented... they are what kicks should be.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on September 12, 2014, 04:09:39 pm
Draeth, please don't trade away the Liuyedao you have in armory now. Or if you do want to trade it, give me first crack at it. That's the 1h I always perform the best with, although I never use one cus of a bias against Eastern gear plus it always seems too cheesy with its ridiculous speed. But now my ISP has decided I should have 100+ ping most evenings, so I need all the cheese I can get. And my bias against Eastern gear is apparently over; my 2h guy is using a +3 Miaodao and both my chars wear eastern boots.

My 2h guy is about ready to retire, and I'm getting cold feet about going cav next gen. I just hate Battle so much, and I doubt being cav will change my opinion. So now I'm thinking of going back to my roots and going pure polearm, maybe with some shield skill. There are just so many cool potential loadouts:
shield+spear+long axe
swiss+bec
buckler+battle fork+long axe
buckler+spear+long maul
etc.

So just wondered if any of you wanted first crack at the +3 Heraldic Barded Warhorse before I traded it for a pole.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on September 12, 2014, 04:13:29 pm
Cav is garbage without armored horse. Hybrids are garbage because everyone is going 21/21 pure builds. I do t even know anymore...
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on September 12, 2014, 04:25:32 pm
Cav is garbage without armored horse. Hybrids are garbage because everyone is going 21/21 pure builds. I do t even know anymore...

Really not much need to hybrid anymore, since polearm offers so much versatility within the one weapon group. Add in ~3 shield skill, and you can switch to hoplite mode for horse rearing and support, then whip out a 4d polearm for duel situations. People assume bucklers are crap because they look dinky, but they are just as good in melee as a big shield (if not better) and have a decent forcefield against ranged (as long as it's raised and you are facing the archer). Buckler+war spear+long axe/bec/whatever is probably the most versatile loadout possible.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Jona on September 12, 2014, 07:34:04 pm
Really not much need to hybrid anymore, since polearm offers so much versatility within the one weapon group. Add in ~3 shield skill, and you can switch to hoplite mode for horse rearing and support, then whip out a 4d polearm for duel situations. People assume bucklers are crap because they look dinky, but they are just as good in melee as a big shield (if not better) and have a decent forcefield against ranged (as long as it's raised and you are facing the archer). Buckler+war spear+long axe/bec/whatever is probably the most versatile loadout possible.

I would go with a 4 shield skill minimum... the shields are way better at the 4 skill level, and it also gives you access to 95% of shields on the battlefield should  your initial one break. You will also be able to use your +3 knightly heater from your main. Also, if you want to go hoplite with a war spear as your main weapon, you don't even need a backup 4d weapon. The war spear is good enough for nearly any duel scenario. It can easily stack up against a long axe since it has both speed and reach.

Something to keep in mind when thinking about going all out with 2 polearms and a buckler is that poelarms are significantly heavier than 1handers, so bringing a backup can easily slow you down a lot more than you realize. Whenever I use my long maul + staff loadout I try and drop the maul rather than sheathe it if possible... it is just so heavy. Not all weapons are so bad, obviously, but when hopliting I never bring my long axe, since the weight of the shield AND the axe is too much for me. Hence I tend to use my spathion with 0wpf or the trusty staff.

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Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on September 12, 2014, 09:03:24 pm
I would go with a 4 shield skill minimum... the shields are way better at the 4 skill level, and it also gives you access to 95% of shields on the battlefield should  your initial one break. You will also be able to use your +3 knightly heater from your main. Also, if you want to go hoplite with a war spear as your main weapon, you don't even need a backup 4d weapon. The war spear is good enough for nearly any duel scenario. It can easily stack up against a long axe since it has both speed and reach.

Something to keep in mind when thinking about going all out with 2 polearms and a buckler is that poelarms are significantly heavier than 1handers, so bringing a backup can easily slow you down a lot more than you realize. Whenever I use my long maul + staff loadout I try and drop the maul rather than sheathe it if possible... it is just so heavy. Not all weapons are so bad, obviously, but when hopliting I never bring my long axe, since the weight of the shield AND the axe is too much for me. Hence I tend to use my spathion with 0wpf or the trusty staff.

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I can't block 1h swings for sh!t, so I like having a shieldbreaker on me cus I can't last long in those fights otherwise. Even 2 poles+buckler is still lighter than my 1h/shield loadout, so I probably wouldn't notice. The worst thing about polearms is the movement speed penalty due to length (which is worse than the penalty due to weight of an extra weapon), since they all have a long length stat but actual reach is much less. 2h is king for movement speed; the Great Axe has about the same reach as the Long Axe, but the length stat is 20cm shorter. I loved the +3 Great Axe I just traded so much that I considered just staying 2h, but the 2h overhead animation is so crappy compared to pole and 1h (and I love me some overheads).

Gen 1-6 Phew was a +3 GLB/Long Bardiche, 30/9 build, Rus Scale. But everyone else had a Danish back then, so the 'diches didn't seem slow at all. I only switched to shielder cus I was tired of getting chopped up by Balbaroth/Grok/Turboflex and the other pro shielders of the era.

That staff is so absurd with your wpf; you must wreck everyone on duel server with it.

P.S. I use a +3 Heavy Kite. Its stats are overtly better than the other shields
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Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Taser on September 12, 2014, 09:42:52 pm
P.S. I use a +3 Heavy Kite. Its stats are overtly better than the other shields

U w0t?

What are the stats?

Plus why a heavy kite phew? Its so.. ugly. Sorry mang.. it is.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on September 12, 2014, 09:55:17 pm
U w0t?

What are the stats?

Plus why a heavy kite phew? Its so.. ugly. Sorry mang.. it is.

It's the most durable shield of its weight or below (by a long shot), and it also happens to be faster than many less durable shields (99 speed when loomed). The aesthetics depend on the banner, but I admit that the Knightly Heater and Elite Cav look better. Don't you use a Board Shield? Not exactly known for its beauty, that.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Taser on September 12, 2014, 10:30:19 pm
It's the most durable shield of its weight or below (by a long shot), and it also happens to be faster than many less durable shields (99 speed when loomed). The aesthetics depend on the banner, but I admit that the Knightly Heater and Elite Cav look better. Don't you use a Board Shield? Not exactly known for its beauty, that.

Say what? The board shield is the most beautiful shield there is.

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Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on September 12, 2014, 11:01:50 pm
Say what? The board shield is the most beautiful shield there is.

I just didn't want to steal your swag; the Board/mil cleaver is your trademark. Like Balbaroth and the brown lion/leet scimi. I'll never have a trademark cus I switch gear too much :(

Actually, my trademark right now is getting owned by n00bs now that my ISP has decided I should ping the cRPG servers like they are on the moon.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Jona on September 12, 2014, 11:04:04 pm
Even 2 poles+buckler is still lighter than my 1h/shield loadout, so I probably wouldn't notice.

True, but I would advise against a buckler. It's only real purpose is for those who can't manually block as far as I'm concerned. The only reason I carry a shield is for ranged. Sure it is useful in ganks, but I try to avoid those as much as possible anyways. You don't carry a shield into battle thinking "Oh boy, I'm gonna be able to take on 5 enemies at once now!" since that will generally set you up for a miserable, very brief round (of battle). Also from my very limited experience with bucklers they seem to have a slightly smaller melee-forcefield compared to actual shields... they are a lot easier to swing around with a long weapon. I love my heavy round, mostly because it
is a hbb
but also since it almost never breaks and has great coverage.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on September 12, 2014, 11:06:07 pm
Elite cav shield is best for banner. I stopped using it last night though because of Gallo, took out my MW Skull crusher (flanged mace) to kill him.

Knockdown proc for 1h is terrible though, idk if it has been changed.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Jona on September 12, 2014, 11:12:36 pm
Elite cav shield is best for banner. I stopped using it last night though because of Gallo, took out my MW Skull crusher (flanged mace) to kill him.

Knockdown proc for 1h is terrible though, idk if it has been changed.

Nah, heavy round best for banner, doesn't have that segmented look like the elite cav does. Also I find that I can knockdown pretty well with a +3 spathovaklion (unfortunately the only blunt 1h wep in our armory, I feel like scum using it). Getting knockdown with a 1h is pretty easy since the left swing, overhead, and to some degree the right swing pretty much hit the head 70% of the time. I also find myself using holds a lot more as a swashbuckler than as a polearmer... I think it is easier to pull off since the animations seem a little snappier after the release. Could all be psychological on my behalf, but nothing beats a left swing held attack to the head. Besides, knockdown isn't all that useful since anyone who pulls off a roll is pretty much safe from your "free" hit. Granted it is hard to hit someone who rolls away with any weapon, it is a lot harder with short 1handers... I was only able to get a free hit on someone by switching to my spathion and stabbing them as they got up... they probably had time to block but didn't think I could reach them.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Taser on September 12, 2014, 11:12:59 pm
I just didn't want to steal your swag; the Board/mil cleaver is your trademark. Like Balbaroth and the brown lion/leet scimi. I'll never have a trademark cus I switch gear too much :(

Actually, my trademark right now is getting owned by n00bs now that my ISP has decided I should ping the cRPG servers like they are on the moon.

Ahh balb.. that monster. I remember him like it was yesterday *puts rose colored glasses on*

Btw have you tried my mw board shield? Don't remember if I loaned to you or not to try. Its pretty awesome. The slower speed does take some getting used to vs the faster shields tho. Its a beast though. Huge amounts of hp and ok armor has it lasting a while.

I understand the ping thing though.. I recently got that fixed... hopefully. Had my ping blowing up or completely losing connection lately. Should be fixed now though. Hope your isp gets its ass in gear and fixed it asap.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on September 12, 2014, 11:14:33 pm
Also from my very limited experience with bucklers they seem to have a slightly smaller melee-forcefield compared to actual shields... they are a lot easier to swing around with a long weapon.

It's in your head. Paul or cmp stated a while back that melee coverage is the same for every shield (and significantly worse than manual blocking). I'd like to test it myself some time though.

I used a Heavy Round for a long time, nice shield, but it's heavier, less durable, and much slower than the heavy kite. Lateral coverage against projectiles is better, but more relevant in battle than siege (I generally know where the arrows are coming from in siege).

Btw have you tried my mw board shield? Don't remember if I loaned to you or not to try. Its pretty awesome. The slower speed does take some getting used to vs the faster shields tho. Its a beast though. Huge amounts of hp and ok armor has it lasting a while.

Don't think so. I always die before my shield due to kicks/phantom swings that go around block/crushthrough, so I don't know why I even care about durability. Hell, the best attack is usually the one right after the shield breaks (the animation is really weird).
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on September 12, 2014, 11:30:41 pm
I only aim for the head with all my weapons lol. It just doesn't proc for me. The whole time I was playing siege with Taser last night and I only got 1 knockdown.

Also, Taser just join our clan already, I'll even let you taze me bro
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Jona on September 12, 2014, 11:35:22 pm
It's in your head. Paul or cmp stated a while back that melee coverage is the same for every shield (and significantly worse than manual blocking). I'd like to test it myself some time though.

Huh... interesting. I too have a running list of game mechanics I want to test... maybe we should have ourselves a hot date in the duel server and test some of these things?  :wink:

I used a Heavy Round for a long time, nice shield, but it's heavier, less durable, and much slower than the heavy kite. Lateral coverage against projectiles is better, but more relevant in battle than siege (I generally know where the arrows are coming from in siege).

Yeah... imo the heavy round has kind of gimped stats since its round shape supposedly makes it far better cover vs ranged. Idk how much I buy into that, since I used to use a knightly heater all the time and never once have I noticed arrows hitting me where they wouldn't if I had the heavy round. It should be noted I had 1 more shield skill with the knightly heater than I do using the heavy round, but still... forcefields OP I guess (but please keep them like that).

Don't think so. I always die before my shield due to kicks/phantom swings that go around block/crushthrough, so I don't know why I even care about durability. Hell, the best attack is usually the one right after the shield breaks (the animation is really weird).

Yeah, one time me and a clanmate were ganking a poor fellow and so we just kept spamming our swings in perfect sync so he couldn't ever drop his block... once his shield broke I got all excited (it took damn near 8-10 swings total, kinda long considering I was using my swiss) and continued to spam overheads at him... only all of a sudden his side sword was protruding from my skull and I was sitting in a pool of blood on the ground. There is definitely a weird thing where the first half of the attack animation is cut off, yet the attack still started while the "stunned" animation shows. That, or its just some latency issue.

Also, Taser just join our clan already, I'll even let you taze me bro

Well, this is all a moot point since  he would rather stick with his dead clan... but, we claimed Tasah before you! He's already got one foot in the door (his stf) with us hounds, and should tkov ever disband completely, we will drag the rest of his body in by that very foot!
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Draeth on September 13, 2014, 12:20:59 am
don't worry phew the Liuyedao will stay...

I currently have that and the arming sword so if you ever want to use it just let me know :mrgreen:
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Taser on September 13, 2014, 01:24:37 am
Don't think so. I always die before my shield due to kicks/phantom swings that go around block/crushthrough, so I don't know why I even care about durability. Hell, the best attack is usually the one right after the shield breaks (the animation is really weird).

Yeah there's a lot of weird stuff that happens to get stuff around the shield. But I tell you what.. the board shield also automatically gives you a +3 red beard.

I only aim for the head with all my weapons lol. It just doesn't proc for me. The whole time I was playing siege with Taser last night and I only got 1 knockdown.

Also, Taser just join our clan already, I'll even let you taze me bro

Really only 1? Snap.

Its funny I remember siege and I also remember playing the AoT fan game. Lol.

Sorry tho Jona has it right.

Well, this is all a moot point since  he would rather stick with his dead clan...

^

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but, we claimed Tasah before you! He's already got one foot in the door (his stf) with us hounds, and should tkov ever disband completely, we will drag the rest of his body in by that very foot!

Lol. That was for the tourney. Which is over apparently? I dunno what the hell is going on with that anymore.

Besides better dead in a ravine than green!

Blue is a vastly better color than green kno wat I'm saiyan. (wonder what rhymes with blue that's somewhat catchy)
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on September 13, 2014, 01:35:08 am
Wear blue, drink Baileys from a shoe.... I'm old Greg

  http://youtube.com/watch?v=XxaP19pY1FI
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Jona on September 13, 2014, 01:55:12 am
Yeah there's a lot of weird stuff that happens to get stuff around the shield. But I tell you what.. the board shield also automatically gives you a +3 red beard.

There may be some truth to this statement...

Really only 1? Snap.

Its funny I remember siege and I also remember playing the AoT fan game. Lol.

AoT? U wot?

Sorry tho Jona has it right.

I'm always right.

Lol. That was for the tourney. Which is over apparently? I dunno what the hell is going on with that anymore.

Nah it's still going, but ever so slowly... Tydeus kinda half-died.

Besides better dead in a ravine than green!

Negative. You might be very green if you were dead in a ravine, there's grass, leafs, weeds, n shit that you would be covered in.

Blue is a vastly better color than green kno wat I'm saiyan. (wonder what rhymes with blue that's somewhat catchy)

No. No, I'm afraid I don't.


Based upon all the above factual information, presented in green, we can conclude that due to the fact that I am always right, and that you are clearly conflicted in your opinions on color (red beard, but blue best color? Fuck that you hyprocrite... pick one! If blue was best you would have a blue beard, now wouldn't you!?!), green color best color.

And since you want a rap-off, just remember, you started dis...

Green Regime, it reigns supreme,
It gets dem bitchez to all scream,
If blue was cool and just sweet,
Then it would cause us all to skeet.

Yeah, you in way ovah yo head boi. Bring it.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Taser on September 13, 2014, 02:44:39 am
Based upon all the above factual information, presented in green, we can conclude that due to the fact that I am always right, and that you are clearly conflicted in your opinions on color (red beard, but blue best color? Fuck that you hyprocrite... pick one! If blue was best you would have a blue beard, now wouldn't you!?!), green color best color.

There's no way to have a blue beard you madman! NO WAY... not without dem mods anyway.

Quote
And since you want a rap-off, just remember, you started dis...

Rap off? You see one sentence that rhymes and its a rap? Shame.

You would see the old better dead than red stuff and think rap? u w0t m8?

Quote
Green Regime, it reigns supreme,
It gets dem bitchez to all scream,
If blue was cool and just sweet,
Then it would cause us all to skeet.

Yeah, you in way ovah yo head boi. Bring it.[/color]

Nah brah. That's not what I'm about.

Green Regime be screaming
Their heads be popping as I'm cleaving
They see me walking in representing blue
Just can't handle the old school crew

Besides dude you seriously didn't see my lame attempt to make it sound like the old phrase better dead than red? Come on now.

I'm not a rap dude anyway. So.. if this gets like in rhyme and verse and whatever.. too hardcore 5 me.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on September 13, 2014, 03:29:35 am


Representing red white and black,
BoO's on the [A]ttack
always roll up strapped
got them masterwerks stacked
mercenaries for hire
when transactions transpire
bitches skulls get cracked

The MC Tojo, the pimp from afar
Swinging on you hard,
fools gettin ' scimatard
BoO's the best banner you've seen
much better than blue and green.
also MC Tojo best rap bard.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on September 13, 2014, 03:57:49 am
^ :::Tojo drops mic and walks offstage, while Taser and Jona stand there slackjawed, stunned by the rap battle beatdown they just incurred:::
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Jona on September 13, 2014, 09:44:21 am
Psshhhh... yall ain't seen nuthin yet.


I could go on, but I'll spare you all from feeling vastly inferior.   :mrgreen:

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Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Draeth on September 13, 2014, 02:00:12 pm
i still cant decide on my end game build...

i either want to go swashbuckler or 1h\pole hybrid
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on September 14, 2014, 07:56:38 pm
I changed our background color to be just a shade darker red; from "Red" to "Dark Red". The cherry red was searing my eyeballs (especially since I wear the colored helm), and I feel like archers always shot me first since my head was a big glowing target. I know it doesn't match the red on the banner, but I think it looks better overall. Feel free to change it back if you don't like it.

I'm also fine with black if anyone wants that. I just retired my 2h, so once I liquidate his looms and I'll put some money in the bank to help fund the banner renewal.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Jona on September 14, 2014, 08:48:34 pm
I changed our background color to be just a shade darker red; from "Red" to "Dark Red". The cherry red was searing my eyeballs (especially since I wear the colored helm), and I feel like archers always shot me first since my head was a big glowing target. I know it doesn't match the red on the banner, but I think it looks better overall. Feel free to change it back if you don't like it.

I'm also fine with black if anyone wants that. I just retired my 2h, so once I liquidate his looms and I'll put some money in the bank to help fund the banner renewal.

Phew! You changed your forum avatar! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!  :cry:
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on September 14, 2014, 09:24:09 pm
Phew! You changed your forum avatar! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!  :cry:

Yeah, I still had ye olde HG banner on the old one. I actually like this one more; impressive skills Tojo!
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Jona on September 14, 2014, 09:32:17 pm
But the pose! The non-foggy background! The only momento of HG!
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Taser on September 15, 2014, 12:38:20 am
Psshhhh... yall ain't seen nuthin yet.

I could go on, but I'll spare you all from feeling vastly inferior.   :mrgreen:

Another reason why I shall not derail this thread into a massive rap battle is cuz Tasah told me that he never intended for it to go this far, and apparently dislikes rap. I don't listen to any rap music, but it's still always fun to throw down some rhymes. I think Tasah just doesn't like getting shown up so badly.  8-)

O rly? I didn't see any being showed up by you... by tojo sure.. but not by you mang.

I honestly didn't expect a semi rap battle tho lol. I thought it was kinda clear it was a twist on the better dead than red thing. Not that I was dropping the mic and challenging you to a rap battle.

Never did rap battles or etc so I have no skill at it. I'm ok with my response to you tho.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on September 15, 2014, 06:59:31 pm
Hey guys, please vote on Jona's NA Siege map rotation thread:

http://forum.melee.org/scene-editing/na-siege-updated-rotation-vote-on-maps-here!/

If you haven't followed the discussion, Fips has agreed to give NA2 whatever map rotation we want (of existing maps, unmodified from their current state), so Jona has listed all the questionable maps and you + or - the post to state whether you agree with removing/adding each map. Since the clan's cRPG roots are on siege, we should make our voices heard (even if we all have different opinions about maps).
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on September 18, 2014, 12:36:37 am
Banner renewed, so don't bid on our old one. Had to sell all my looms to afford it though (cost=46 gold).
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on September 18, 2014, 12:39:59 am
If you got a banner for 46 gold mod is dying of cancer (read:Current Item balancers).
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on September 18, 2014, 03:18:49 pm
If you got a banner for 46 gold mod is dying of cancer (read:Current Item balancers).

Banner prices have always been highly variable; it just depends on who is bidding at the time. The next two sold for 34k and 50k within hours of my 46g win:
visitors can't see pics , please register or login
 (http://s4.photobucket.com/user/the_phew/media/transactions_zps79bef1c4.jpg.html)

The item balancers take too much heat from players. Yes, Tydeus screwed up polearm animations then went MIA, but he should get credit for "fixing" the 1h right swing (after initially breaking it, but it's now better than the original warband animation). Most of the item stat changes (San mostly I think) have been for the better as well: horses have more balanced stats than they used to, low requirement shields are actually decent, shield weight is lower across the board, there are more reduced-slot weapon options, the slowest weapons got faster, etc. I think the wpf changes were also an improvement, although I do miss the build diversity we used to have (everyone is 21/21 now).
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on September 18, 2014, 11:37:08 pm
Yea Phew I see what you mean. The thing that grinds my gears is the fact that it seems 60% of the server is pole and not hybrids. Since someone figured out that 180 wpf and 7 powerstrike is better than 130 wpf and 9 power strike.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Taser on September 19, 2014, 12:03:32 am
Yeah its making me want to go poles.. especially whenever I actually play a strat battle..

brb poked to death from 5 longspears.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Jona on September 19, 2014, 12:35:41 am
Yeah its making me want to go poles.. especially whenever I actually play a strat battle..

brb poked to death from 5 longspears.

I get just as frustrated in strat battles... and I end up grabbing a shield. :P

The closest I get to using a pike/longspear is using a 2d polearm of some kind in strat... never the dreaded 1d. So boring to play, regardless of how effective it is.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Taser on September 19, 2014, 06:13:34 am
I get just as frustrated in strat battles... and I end up grabbing a shield. :P

The closest I get to using a pike/longspear is using a 2d polearm of some kind in strat... never the dreaded 1d. So boring to play, regardless of how effective it is.

Lol. Funny. Guess the grass is greener on the other side and all that.

Its just so hard to break in that kind of formation unless you're willing to die in the breaking up of the formation but that only works if your team backs you up.

Otherwise its a waste of time.

I honestly hate longspear/pike formations in strat more than anything. I can handle 2h/1h formations.. but longspear/pikes.. shit. Its hard to get into attack range without opening yourself up to another longspear user from behind or from the side. It sucks. Once you get close and personal its easier but only when its 1v1 which is pretty much never the case in strat.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Jona on September 19, 2014, 08:13:28 am
Lol. Funny. Guess the grass is greener on the other side and all that.

Yeah, exactly. But the reality is, no matter what class you are, longspears and pikes suck unless you are ranged or a longspearer/piker as well. I try and go hoplite or 1h shield to counter them simply because having the shield allows you to block 2 directions at once.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on October 06, 2014, 03:56:35 pm
Borrowed some gold from the bank to buy a loom point. Based on this thread:

http://forum.melee.org/suggestions-corner/alex's-daruvian's-and-rico's-item-workshop-give-us-feedback-and-join-us!/135/

...the value of loom points is about to skyrocket. I'll repay with interest soon.

If you have the opportunity to cash in some items for LPs, you might want to do it before the patch hits (any day). Some sexy armors about to be available...
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Blade on October 28, 2014, 08:02:21 pm
I'm very interested in joining, my prime was in 2011-12. With some practice/training I would hope to become a decent fighter once again.
Feel free to pm me on the forums, if you see this! Currently i'm sick with the flu, for the next day or so the best I can do is type if that's alright with you.

Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on October 28, 2014, 08:11:20 pm
I'm very interested in joining, my prime was in 2011-12. With some practice/training I would hope to become a decent fighter once again.
Feel free to pm me on the forums, if you see this! Currently i'm sick with the flu, for the next day or so the best I can do is type if that's alright with you.


Accepted because your name is Blade and you have a cool avatar. We don't care if you suck.

AFAIK, our only rule is "don't be a Fascist", as decreed by our leader named after a Fascist dictator  :?
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on October 28, 2014, 10:07:24 pm
Yea no fascists allowed. Welcome!
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Blade on October 28, 2014, 11:59:49 pm
Thanks a ton for letting me join, you all seem like a great bunch of guys.
It's pretty nice to be in a relaxed, and laid back clan.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Taser on October 29, 2014, 12:36:47 am
I can confirm. They're great guys. You'll get along well with them.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on October 29, 2014, 12:41:10 am
Thanks a ton for letting me join, you all seem like a great bunch of guys.
It's pretty nice to be in a relaxed, and laid back clan.


yep yep!, you canadd me on steam as Tojo (picture of shark coming out of volcano) if you want and ill play if you are on
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Jona on October 29, 2014, 12:45:01 am

yep yep!, you can add me on steam as Tojo (picture of shark coming out of volcano) if you want and ill play if you are on

Shit son, how are you not on my friends list yet? Invite sent.

And for anyone else who wants to be bffs with me, I'm simply "Jona," the man with the plan cat.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on October 30, 2014, 06:41:17 pm
Phew I found some sweet matching armor combinations.

Phrygian Helm

Gilded Rus scale

light strange gloves

eastern black greaves ( i know it's eastern, but it matches PERFECTLY)

this combo is all black, red, and gold and I think its sexy as fuck
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on October 30, 2014, 07:33:46 pm
Phrygian Helm

Yeah, that's a well-matched setup. Although I'm not a fan of the "platypus helm" as I call it. I'm with you on everything else for sure.

I've been trying to get +3 Eastern Lamellar Greaves for months; the only light-medium boots I could get for LPs+gold are the new grey hose (ridiculous I could get a brand new armor easier than one that's been in the game for years).
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Voncrow on October 31, 2014, 10:51:52 am
Phew your new gettup is too emo mang.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Taser on October 31, 2014, 11:03:00 am
Phew your new gettup is too emo mang.

Not sure if your avi makes this.. more credible or ironic.




Hmm...
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on October 31, 2014, 02:06:15 pm
Phew your new gettup is too emo mang.

Since my internet connectivity to the cRPG servers has been mostly garbage lately, it has become a medieval fashion simulator for me. Let me enjoy my "emo" outfit in peace  8-)
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on October 31, 2014, 06:48:11 pm

Representing red white and black,
BoO's on the [A]ttack
always roll up strapped
got them masterwerks stacked
mercenaries for hire
when transactions transpire
bitches skulls get cracked

Red and black is kinda our theme
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Blade on November 01, 2014, 10:29:09 pm
I bought some new heraldic armor, hopefully I can fit in decently well
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Voncrow on November 02, 2014, 05:05:14 pm
Not sure if your avi makes this.. more credible or ironic.




Hmm...

To be fair, the Crow is a pretty cool hero.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Taser on November 02, 2014, 08:57:31 pm
To be fair, the Crow is a pretty cool hero.

Yeah. This is true. 
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on November 11, 2014, 03:25:13 pm
Banner renewed (for cheap again), so don't bid on our old banner slot.

I respecced hoplite for this week; since siege is always dead now, I wanted to try something more versatile for battle. My KDR has subsequently dropped 75%; it turns out that charging headlong into the fray is a poor strategy for hoplites. I need to learn to play less aggressively on Battle; I feel like I am the first to die every round. Siege rewards manly endeavors, but battle rewards cowards.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on November 11, 2014, 07:27:28 pm
Banner renewed (for cheap again), so don't bid on our old banner slot.

I respecced hoplite for this week; since siege is always dead now, I wanted to try something more versatile for battle. My KDR has subsequently dropped 75%; it turns out that charging headlong into the fray is a poor strategy for hoplites. I need to learn to play less aggressively on Battle; I feel like I am the first to die every round. Siege rewards manly endeavors, but battle rewards cowards.

Lol maybe you are just looking at it wrong.  Battle is more like "you go 1st", "no you go 1st". It's best to just go with the good players and support them as hoplite. I like to watch their backs to make sure no one flanks with cav, while using the massive reach to stop those pesky agility dancers.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Jona on November 11, 2014, 07:47:18 pm
I would say his assessment was fairly accurate... in battle everyone who doesn't turn and run when their team is outnumbered gets ganked and has to wait another several minutes until spawning again for the same thing to happen.

Anyways... Phew, what is your hopliting build? If you are still 18-24 then you should be pretty well-off.

Some recommendations: For a first-time hoplite, I would suggest you use an ashwood (or comparable long pointy stick) over the far-shorter battlefork, which is what I saw you running around with. I personally like the battlefork more since I can use it up close (I have no dedicated 1h wpf, so really my spathion is mostly just for show) but you have a 1hander for those situations. Make use of an ashwood's reach to stay away from facehugging and spammy dedicated melee builds as long as possible... helps if you have allies to hide behind (as previously stated, the best way to play battle is play like a coward). Last but most important bit of advice... don't follow me and use me as an example of a good hoplite.  :D  I rush into bad situations and often times try to out-duel people while hopliting simply because battle is boring and that is the only way to get any sort of "kick" out of it. In siege you constantly have to throw yourself into shitty situations and you can really get a "rush" from that sort of playstyle. Like you, I carried the siege mentallity over into battle, and therefore have either a good kdr and a mediocre experience (form playing cowardly), or a shitty kdr and only 30 seconds of fun every 5 minutes. Very rarely do playing aggressively and getting a good kdr (or simply surviving longer than the first minute) go hand-in-hand in NA1.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on November 11, 2014, 10:32:52 pm
Anyways... Phew, what is your hopliting build? If you are still 18-24 then you should be pretty well-off.

18-27 for now; mobility and damage seem fine, just my tactics are flawed.

Using Battle Fork mostly just so I can say "Fork You" whenever I rear a horse, backstab one of my buds, etc. I have a trade up for an ashwood, so maybe I'll get to try that soon. Although all my best hoplite kills so far have been this sequence:
-Shield neutral nudge with fork equipped
-Switch to 1h axe during nudge
-Left swing with axe
So the sheathable aspect of the fork has come in handy. But if all my hoplite kills are with my 1h, I realize I'm doing it wrong.

Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Taser on November 11, 2014, 11:12:14 pm
18-27 for now; mobility and damage seem fine, just my tactics are flawed.

Using Battle Fork mostly just so I can say "Fork You" whenever I rear a horse, backstab one of my buds, etc. I have a trade up for an ashwood, so maybe I'll get to try that soon. Although all my best hoplite kills so far have been this sequence:
-Shield neutral nudge with fork equipped
-Switch to 1h axe during nudge
-Left swing with axe
So the sheathable aspect of the fork has come in handy. But if all my hoplite kills are with my 1h, I realize I'm doing it wrong.

That's a beautiful thing right there.

Hoplite seems like one of those things that you either do very well at or suck ass at. The only way to be in between is if you got a group backing you up. I've seen people do very well with it even 1v1 or 1v2 then I see people with it that'll lose a 3v1. So if you like it.. keep at it. It takes some real knowing how to use it and how to make it go around people and etc. Kicks work well too.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Jona on November 12, 2014, 05:02:15 am
Yeah, I originally didn't like the idea of hopliting since it basically thrives off the exploitation of stabs in this game, but eventually I just decided to try it out since it helped change up the otherwise stale battle a little bit. The playstyles of poles I have still yet to tamper with are now 2d stab-based weapons and 1d polearms (pike+long spear). Those rely too much on exploits for me to ever enjoy*. The hopliting is bad enough, but at least when you are a hoplite your are pretty much hindered by using the shield, so that is some consolation.



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Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Taser on November 12, 2014, 07:04:58 am
Try out the swiss Jona. Best halberd, 2d anyway.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Jona on November 12, 2014, 07:14:46 am
Where you been all this time, mang? I have been using a+3 swiss since March now. I said I have yet to play any "stab-based" 2d poles... the swiss is far more effective with its overheads than its stab that always ends up glancing. By stab-based I mean an ashwood, awlpike, spetum, etc... pretty much anything that has a blunt overhead and is shaped more like a spear than an axe.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Taser on November 12, 2014, 07:26:35 am
A +3 swiss?? And you didn't tell me about it? You been holding out on me!

And yeah the stab is hit and miss. (huehue) Overheads where its at.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Jona on November 12, 2014, 08:09:34 am
And yeah the stab is glance or miss. (huehue) Overheads where its at.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on November 12, 2014, 03:24:38 pm
Those rely too much on exploits for me to ever enjoy

I thought 2h and 1h stab were wonky/exploitable, but hoplite stab is full retard. It always does one of three things:
-Hit for full damage when it should glance (up close, after 360noscope spin, etc)
-Just phase directly through a guy/horse it should have hit (no glance, just nothing)
-Teamhit somebody that isn't even remotely near your thrust

Even last night on siege (thanks for the heads up on Steam Jona), most of my kills were still from the "switch to 1h during nudge animation" trick/exploit. This befuddles people so much, I might still carry a spear around after I respec back to pure 1h. Actual hoplite isn't my cup of tea though; I lack the willpower to stay on the fringes of the fight.

Pending marketplace transactions, I think I might do Huscarl next week (1h+shield+2 stacks of Heavy Throwing Axes). I did this for like 2 years back when siege was in its prime; good fun.

Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Jona on November 12, 2014, 07:19:29 pm
Well, in case you haven't noticed, although I'm sure you have... all stabs are just full retard.

This,

-Hit for full damage when it should glance (up close, after 360noscope spin, etc)

describes all stabs in this game. While,

-Just phase directly through a guy/horse it should have hit (no glance, just nothing)
-Teamhit somebody that isn't even remotely near your thrust

does indeed apply only to hoplites. Well, that 2nd point can apply to 1h or pure polearm stab as well I suppose, when someone is standing off to your right side. The problem I have the most often with hopliting is a combination of both those points... I stab straight through an enemy and there always seems to be a teammate standing right behind him who I manage to just barely tickle in the pinky toe, somehow for full damage.

And for the sake of siege, I hope your marketplace transactions fall through. :D  The last thing we need is one more thrower in siege, battle, anywhere...
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on November 12, 2014, 07:33:34 pm
The last thing we need is one more thrower in siege, battle, anywhere...

Years back, my shielder heroes were Rusty and Turboflex (agility sword/board and str axe/board+jarids, respectively). So for most of my cRPG existence, I tried to play a Frankenstein of these two opposite playstyles (agility sword/board+throwing axes). Throwing secondary adds a lot of fun/utility for minimal weight/skill pt/wpp investment. Chucking axes down a ladder on siege defense adds fun to the first ~30s of the round that would otherwise be boring.

Throwing is pretty much a direct counter to agility 2h and pole (i.e. you), which are the classes that by far cause me the most trouble. As a shielder, I'm never particularly concerned about throwers, other than the like 3 dedicated throwers that know how to throw through/over shields (Chucky/Artie/Xeen).
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on November 12, 2014, 11:10:51 pm
I think I threw over 100 war darts at Jona last night. Which is basically what I do when 1h shield isn't working for me, switch to Brees and score touchdowns :lol:
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Jona on November 12, 2014, 11:53:48 pm
Aren't they technically interceptions? :P
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Draeth on November 16, 2014, 05:26:52 pm
hi
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on January 11, 2015, 12:10:37 am
Is anyone still alive in here? plz report in!
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Phew on January 11, 2015, 02:18:57 am
I'm alive, but my ISP and NA2 are dead :(
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Draeth on January 11, 2015, 05:35:39 pm
ded
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: StonedSteel on January 19, 2015, 06:28:04 am
...

i miss you guys

i miss siege

i miss having a score twin named Phew.

i miss those good ole times.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Blade on April 20, 2015, 04:29:20 am
I, too long for the times of our past.
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Tojo on June 28, 2017, 04:51:18 am
Hello, BoO is no more. However with the new crpg renaissance happening the Order of the Holy Guard will be reforming with Elindor. Post on the HG page and apply to the clan if you are still alive. Thankyou
Title: Re: ::Blades of Ouroboros:: RECRUITING NEW PLAYERS AND ALTS
Post by: Draeth on June 30, 2017, 08:42:07 pm
Never forget.