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Title: Future fashion
Post by: DonNicko on May 11, 2014, 07:33:39 pm
Eurovision winner
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Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Utrakil on May 11, 2014, 07:38:02 pm
Your poll is missing the " I don't give a fuck" option.

edit: much better now. :D
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Elmuri on May 11, 2014, 07:51:14 pm
Whats the big deal? If he wants to dress like that, let him.

If that's too much for Russians, don't participate.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Christo on May 11, 2014, 07:58:05 pm
Get trolled russia

I'll be honest though, I didn't even know it was Eurovision day until this started exploding and it was all over the place.

idgaf
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on May 12, 2014, 03:58:21 am
Your poll is missing the " I don't give a fuck" option.

edit: much better now. :D

The poll is actually missing the "Give them run!" option. Seriously guys, it's the new poll standard. Stop ignoring it.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Macropus on May 12, 2014, 10:54:27 am
I wrote a big-ass serious post about what people on the west consider as freedom and why people on the east consider it differently, then I re-read my epic post and deleted everything.

Do I like this man, you ask me? No.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on May 12, 2014, 10:58:53 am
I am totally cool with everyone's sexual choices. But certainly not with that.

Whatever that guy is doing (in this case still keeping the beard ffs), it is solely for the purpose of attentionwhoring. Nobody can convince me that this is just the way he wants to be. And in my book of principles, irl attentionwhoring is one of the lowliest sins one can commit.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Prpavi on May 12, 2014, 10:59:50 am
But we all attention whore one way or the other like it or not.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on May 12, 2014, 11:01:21 am
Yet I think few of us, and I mean only "few of us", would become a woman and still walk around with a beard Prpavi.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Prpavi on May 12, 2014, 11:07:43 am
he is on every online portal, blog, forum, newspaper you gotta give it to him even for an attention whore he did a great job at it.

I don't know anything about the guy or his motives, his story, maybe a legic artistic expression, maybe a pure spoiled attention whore... will look into it  :mrgreen: (and again I'm googling him along with milions of ppl today, his mission is a sucess)
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: IR_Kuoin on May 12, 2014, 11:15:49 am
Personally I facepalmed when the news reporter said "she"

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Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: chadz on May 12, 2014, 11:23:03 am
You guys just jelly of the beard

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Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: WITCHCRAFT on May 12, 2014, 11:23:58 am
Past fashion
(not work safe, illustrated National Geographic titties)
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Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 12, 2014, 11:25:54 am
People in control of their own appearance ? Preposterous !
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Molly on May 12, 2014, 11:34:27 am
Someone causing a reaction like that can't be bad:

Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin wrote on Twitter that the Eurovision result “showed supporters of European integration their European future: a bearded girl.”

“There’s no limit to our outrage. It’s the end of Europe. It has turned wild. They don’t have men and women any more. They have ‘it’,” nationalist politician Vladimir Zhirinovsky told Rossiya-1 state television.

“Fifty years ago the Soviet army occupied Austria. We made a mistake in freeing Austria. We should have stayed,” added the leader of the Liberal Democratic Party
Was about to post about this. It doesn't even make me mad any more. I just shake my head, laugh about this kind of people and toast to Mother Russia. What a joke...
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: bagge on May 12, 2014, 11:46:01 am
Someone causing a reaction like that can't be bad:

Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin wrote on Twitter that the Eurovision result “showed supporters of European integration their European future: a bearded girl.”

“There’s no limit to our outrage. It’s the end of Europe. It has turned wild. They don’t have men and women any more. They have ‘it’,” nationalist politician Vladimir Zhirinovsky told Rossiya-1 state television.

“Fifty years ago the Soviet army occupied Austria. We made a mistake in freeing Austria. We should have stayed,” added the leader of the Liberal Democratic Party

lmao
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Yarl on May 12, 2014, 11:47:27 am
Eurovision is a freakshow so next time we will send Zhirinovsky.


Do I like this man, you ask me? No.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: DaveUKR on May 12, 2014, 11:49:41 am
Eurovision is a freakshow so next time we will send Zhirinovsky.

And it always was. I'm not a fan of it but I guess that every Eurovision I've seen there always was at least one superfreak tryharding to get attention. Russia's reaction is expected.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 12, 2014, 12:01:13 pm
I am totally cool with everyone's sexual choices. But certainly not with that.

Whatever that guy is doing (in this case still keeping the beard ffs), it is solely for the purpose of attentionwhoring. Nobody can convince me that this is just the way he wants to be. And in my book of principles, irl attentionwhoring is one of the lowliest sins one can commit.

Does attentionwhoring hurt you ? Does it inflict any kind of damage to you ?
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: darmaster on May 12, 2014, 12:02:04 pm
honestly i got nothing against him her it, he she it can do whatever he she it wants. but for the love of god, he she it disgusts me seriously. seen this around lunch time, didn't want to eat anymore. i'd rather see the lemon party lucky thing, i'd like to know if he she it disgusts even homoes; latvian, panos? would you like to share your thoughts?
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on May 12, 2014, 12:21:31 pm
Does attentionwhoring hurt you ? Does it inflict any kind of damage to you ?

Annoys me. But does the fact that attentionwhoring annoys me hurt you? Does it inflict any kind of damage to you? That is the question Kafein.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 12, 2014, 12:25:48 pm
Annoys me. But does the fact that attentionwhoring annoys me hurt you? Doest it inflict any kind of damage to you. That is the question Kafein.

You could write sieg heil it wouldn't hurt me. However, dictating other people's choices about personal matters such as appearance hurts them. Hence why I do not agree with you even if I respect your right to express your opinion. Much like I respect the right of transgenders or anybody else to express their identity.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Umbra on May 12, 2014, 12:31:06 pm
Моё мнение на следующий конкурс от России нужно послать медведя пусть он  споёт!

suka bljat )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Molly on May 12, 2014, 12:31:38 pm
Whatever rocks his boat, I say.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on May 12, 2014, 12:32:26 pm
Looks like nobody is getting what I'm trying to say here. I started originally by saying "I am cool with everyone's sexual choices". And that is the truth. I didn't write that just for the sake of softening my tone. I can even be cool with the beard, if I knew it was genuinely the way that guy wanted to be. Or, in other words, if it wasn't solely intended for attentionwhoring. There is annoying stuff for everyone. And I am truly annoyed by attentionwhoring that is it. I don't for the life of me believe that there is any reason other than seeking attention to the beard. And he hit the bullseye at that. Just as Prpavi wrote, he is all over the internet, the next big discussion right now.

Once again (I don't believe I have to repeat this so many times, but guess I have no choice) just note that I have nothing against any gender orientation. What I am against here is simply a matter of personality.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Molly on May 12, 2014, 12:36:00 pm
Maybe it kinda fits into this thread:

In Russia, Sim 4 has been rated 18+ because there is the possibility of same-gender relationships :lol:
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 12, 2014, 12:48:53 pm
Looks like nobody is getting what I'm trying to say here. I started originally by saying "I am cool with everyone's sexual choices". And that is the truth. I didn't write that just for the sake of softening my tone. I can even be cool with the beard, if I knew it was genuinely the way that guy wanted to be. Or, in other words, if it wasn't solely intended for attentionwhoring. There is annoying stuff for everyone. And I am truly annoyed by attentionwhoring that is it. I don't for the life of me believe that there is any reason other than seeking attention to the beard. And he hit the bullseye at that. Just as Prpavi wrote, he is all over the internet, the next big discussion right now.

Once again (I don't believe I have to repeat this so many times, but guess I have no choice) just note that I have nothing against any gender orientation. What I am against here is simply a matter of personality.

Attentionwhoring is just your interpretation of his/her expression. Besides, even if you dislike attentionwhoring just for the sake of attentionwhoring and if it's really that, it doesn't change anything. That's a basic human right. Many famous artists are the worst kind of attentionwhores, I don't see why this one is any different.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on May 12, 2014, 12:51:09 pm
Well, he isn't any different to me than any other attentionwhoring artist or celebrity. I dislike any other all the same. If you want an example, this guy belongs to the same league as Lady Gaga, who can go atrocious enough to wear a meat dress to get that much desired attention.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 12, 2014, 01:07:13 pm
Well, he isn't any different to me than any other attentionwhoring artist or celebrity. I dislike any other all the same. If you want an example, this guy belongs to the same league as Lady Gaga, who can go atrocious enough to wear a meat dress to get that much desired attention.

That's exactly the reaction they are seeking though.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: serr on May 12, 2014, 01:28:57 pm
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Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Leshma on May 12, 2014, 01:44:21 pm
LGBT interest groups have really fell low with this one. I thought they evolved past this level of charade. They seem more retrograde than modern heterosexuals.

Not saying that just because of this case. Only winner from Serbia, Marija Serifovic won mainly because she is gay and coming from backwards country. This competition stopped being about music long time ago.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Weren on May 12, 2014, 01:45:32 pm
Hurrah for beard!
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Leshma on May 12, 2014, 01:53:25 pm
This is not about the beard. Females can have beards, I see it every day on older women :lol:

Also, most female bodybuilders who went overboard on testosterone grow beards just like men do.

Not to mention that I find beard and any kind of facial hair disgusting, both on males and females and can't stand it on my face longer for a day.

My personal opinion: Female aesthetics is fine and desirable (shemales and such). This is not. If he or she wants to be pretty, she should shave that beard.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Overdriven on May 12, 2014, 01:54:40 pm
I have no issue with it. They can be the way they want.

What I have issue with is that the only reason he/she won is because of it. The song was like a bad bond song and that speech just me cringe.

That song simply should not have won.

But then I can't remember the last Eurovision that was about the music.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: [ptx] on May 12, 2014, 01:59:01 pm
As i said on IRC:
16:29:31 <[ptx]> the problem is, the sort of music that was represented in eurovision, when it was good
16:29:42 <[ptx]> it went out of style
16:29:58 <[ptx]> but eurovision didnt change
16:30:12 <[ptx]> they shouldve changed their style, gone with the times
16:30:37 <[ptx]> but now its just an embarassing relic
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Prpavi on May 12, 2014, 02:29:12 pm
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ahaha this is an epic troll, gotta find this Putin pic I'm sure Dota will appreciate my new Steam avatar  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Weren on May 12, 2014, 03:05:51 pm
This is not about the beard. Females can have beards, I see it every day on older women :lol:

Also, most female bodybuilders who went overboard on testosterone grow beards just like men do.

Not to mention that I find beard and any kind of facial hair disgusting, both on males and females and can't stand it on my face longer for a day.

My personal opinion: Female aesthetics is fine and desirable (shemales and such). This is not. If he or she wants to be pretty, she should shave that beard.

Are you kidding me? The one and only thing about women I never liked was their shameful lack of good old bushy beard.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 12, 2014, 03:11:34 pm
As a western european, who cares about Eurovision ? It was cool 50 years ago, time to move on.

Are you kidding me? The one and only thing about women I never liked was their shameful lack of good old bushy beard.

Location is of the essence.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Paul on May 12, 2014, 03:43:31 pm
Stay classy, Russia.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Molly on May 12, 2014, 03:44:16 pm
As i said on IRC:
16:29:31 <[ptx]> the problem is, the sort of music that was represented in eurovision, when it was good
16:29:42 <[ptx]> it went out of style
16:29:58 <[ptx]> but eurovision didnt change
16:30:12 <[ptx]> they shouldve changed their style, gone with the times
16:30:37 <[ptx]> but now its just an embarassing relic
I still believe every country should sing in their very own language. Everyone going the English pop routine is kinda lame.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: DonNicko on May 12, 2014, 04:40:43 pm
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Hm, I think if Putin will go to eurovision with this make up and just stand on the scene for 3 minutes. Next eurovision will be in Russia :P
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Falka on May 12, 2014, 05:19:56 pm
honestly i got nothing against him her it, he she it can

He's a guy wearing a dress, dunno why it's so hard to understand. Btw, Freddie Mercury 30 years ago 8-)


I think it's really cool that you can be whatever you want, even "bearded woman", and most of ppl in the western world won't give a flying fuck about it. It's great to have such a freedom even if most of us don't appreciate it.

Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: darmaster on May 12, 2014, 06:24:48 pm
could you please stop quoting that picture? kills every boner i might have in the next 2 days everytime i see it.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Macropus on May 13, 2014, 12:49:02 am
I wrote a big-ass serious post about what people on the west consider as freedom and why people on the east consider it differently, then I re-read my epic post and deleted everything.
God knows, I wasn't going to...
I think it's really cool that you can be whatever you want, even "bearded woman", and most of ppl in the western world won't give a flying fuck about it. It's great to have such a freedom even if most of us don't appreciate it.
But you got me here! Now I can't help but write about it.

What's so cool about such kind of freedom, may I ask? Yes, on the West the whole definition of freedom is - FREEDOM! You can be whatever, do whatever, as long as it doesn't break the law or other people's freedom. Sounds nice, doesn't it? He-he-he.
I think there is in fact a difference between western and eastern definition of freedom. Believe it or not, but to me "you can be whatever you want, even "bearded woman", and most of ppl in the western world won't give a flying fuck about it" sounds frightening. Nobody would give a fuck.

I can be whatever and nobody would give a fuck. Can I be a psycho? Yes, as long as I don't start fighting people on the streets or irritating my neighbours with weird noises - yes I can. It's freedom. Can I be an alcoholic ruining my life every day? People are ready to help, but nobody would intervene. It's my freedom and my right to be an alcoholic. I can even be a bearded woman, so what? It's my right. I'm gonna walk around the streets, and people meeting me would think "Bah, let him", and when their children ask them "Why does that guy look like a woman, what's wrong with him?" they'll answer "Nothing is wrong with him, he just wants to look this way".
I'm not sure what exactly is wrong here, but something is. It must be just because I'm an uneducated and conservative Russian person, so I don't worry much about it.

The further you go to the East, the more conservative and traditional the society becomes, IMO.
It's our tradition to care about what happens around, to care in a way that almost entitles us to judge other people despite their freedom of choice. The society's opinion is a strong thing here. People like to judge each other, to judge other people, even to judge things they don't have a clue about. And if someone appears in a makeup mr. Conchita has, people would care, even though it's not prohibited by law. The reasons might be different - someone is just a jerk and wants to beat something, and hey, this guy looks different, a nice target. Someone just wouldn't want their children to see a person of such look, because they find it bad and don't want children to feel like it's normal. Some might even take the appearance of this guy as a personal insult (that "someone" is probably some overly manly military dude). People will care, they will judge and in one way or another show their discontent.
And that's how the freedom works on the east. You're free to do anything that's not prohibited by the law and by society's opinion. If you're an alcoholic, people might not even want to help you, but they sure would judge you and in one way or another show their disrespect. You don't feel comfortable being an alcoholic here. You will not go out with your head up and say proudly: "It's my right to be whatever I want, piss off".

A funny example - on the west a smoking woman is treated just as any other woman (I guess), in Russia most men will probably disrespect such a woman.

So what I want to say with all my gibberish?
Which kind of freedom do I prefer? I don't know, honestly. Why did I write so much here?

It's late at night and my thoughts are floundered, so I might have made not much sense or have written too much truth, sorry for that.

Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on May 13, 2014, 12:56:52 am
As stated before, Eurovision isn't about the music. But I see this a fantastic because it does show the world is moving on, and this is a much more worthy reason to win than border politics.

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Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Vovka on May 13, 2014, 03:50:06 am
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tried hard fap fap on  this picture, did not work, GODS what's wrong with me!?  :(
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Falka on May 13, 2014, 07:04:41 am
sounds frightening. Nobody would give a fuck.
It's our tradition to care about what happens around, to care in a way that almost entitles us to judge other people despite their freedom of choice.

What's really frightening is the alternative. When ppl care too much about other ppl choices shit like this happens:

Yeah, these guys care, I can see it.

A funny example - on the west a smoking woman is treated just as any other woman (I guess), in Russia most men will probably disrespect such a woman.

I hope you see it's retarded. 100+ years ago women couldn't wear trousers (and still can't in some parts of the world). With exception of George Sand :P
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Taser on May 13, 2014, 07:17:06 am
could you please stop quoting that picture? kills every boner i might have in the next 2 days everytime i see it.

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Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: IR_Kuoin on May 13, 2014, 08:43:38 am
could you please stop quoting that picture? kills every boner i might have in the next 2 days everytime i see it.

Agree, ugly as fuck picture.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Macropus on May 13, 2014, 08:59:36 am
What's really frightening is the alternative. When ppl care too much about other ppl choices shit like this happens:

Yeah, these guys care, I can see it.
I guess I used the wrong word there, instead of "care" people "give a fuck" in both good and bad meanings.
I see your point, but this video is bullshit. Please don't use is as an agrument.  :)

I hope you see it's retarded. 100+ years ago women couldn't wear trousers (and still can't in some parts of the world). With exception of George Sand :P
I'm sorry I don't. It would be retarded if it was prohibited by law, but it's not. Personally, I disrespect a smoking man just as much as a smoking woman, so I'm all for equality!  :)
There's a difference between something as meaningless as wearing trousers and a bad habbit as smoking. And to many people in Russia, a smoking woman is a bad mother.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Sniger on May 13, 2014, 09:02:09 am
well at least its the most well groomed beard you will ever see on the face of this earth
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kuujis on May 13, 2014, 09:27:58 am
Next year, russia sends in "Kelly Family" to eurovision with a song about family virtues and praises for natural man on woman action. Tru story.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Macropus on May 13, 2014, 09:31:59 am
Next year, russia sends in "Kelly Family" to eurovision with a song about family virtues and praises for natural man on woman action. Tru story.
No, we will send this.
[R]elease the kraken!
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Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Prpavi on May 13, 2014, 09:38:49 am
This "caring" about other people Macropus mentioned is nothing but a village mentality where people care more about what other people do or think and blast them for it to cover their own defects, funny how you say alcoholics are looked down up on and ashamed in your country yet we both know half if not more of the adult population is abusing alcohol daily, it sure as hell is like that in Croatia can only imagine it's even worse in Russia. The fact they are not labled as alcoholics by doctors doesn't make them any better. We have a disgusting culture of alcohol here in my country, basically every event in your life good or bad is a good ocassion to get drunk, lose a job, get a job, lose a family member, get a kid, get married, get divorced, graduate, may day, sunny day, just saw a rare bird, name it we'll get drunk for it.

This caring for other people is uttery fake, care for them if they are in trouble, hit by a car, passed out not when they are walking down the street in high heels and beard. It comes doen to fear of your own culture and ego, a mother/father that cares about a transexual walking freely in the street is a person that is afraid his kid might see it and do the same, yet their culture, religion doesn't approve of it and they would be shamed by the society. Oh noes how could a macho tough guy have a fanny son and walk the streets, imagine all the looks oh dear god my ego, better opress my son/daughter! Society pressure is hell of a thing, not easy to cope with not easy to get above it especilly in traditional/backward countries.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 13, 2014, 11:20:47 am
I guess I used the wrong word there, instead of "care" people "give a fuck" in both good and bad meanings.
I see your point, but this video is bullshit. Please don't use is as an agrument.  :)
I'm sorry I don't. It would be retarded if it was prohibited by law, but it's not. Personally, I disrespect a smoking man just as much as a smoking woman, so I'm all for equality!  :)
There's a difference between something as meaningless as wearing trousers and a bad habbit as smoking. And to many people in Russia, a smoking woman is a bad mother.

The point is that traditionally, smoking (and drinking) men are more accepted socially than women who do the same things. Which is unfair. Arguing that women should not smoke or drink because they can give birth is reducing them to their reproductive role and is even worse.

This doesn't change the fact that if a pregnant woman drinks and smokes etc. it compromises the health of the baby, of course. But that's an entirely different thing, because not all women are pregnant. And even for pregnant women, all these matters are in the personal space. Their body and reproductive organs are not a property of society.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on May 13, 2014, 11:50:35 am
... body and reproductive organs ...

You sexy devil vehicle! Made me moist.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Leshma on May 13, 2014, 12:42:01 pm
The point is that traditionally, smoking (and drinking) men are more accepted socially than women who do the same things. Which is unfair. Arguing that women should not smoke or drink because they can give birth is reducing them to their reproductive role and is even worse.

This doesn't change the fact that if a pregnant woman drinks and smokes etc. it compromises the health of the baby, of course. But that's an entirely different thing, because not all women are pregnant. And even for pregnant women, all these matters are in the personal space. Their body and reproductive organs are not a property of society.

Woman who doesn't care about her health is putting her baby at risk, another human being. That is why society cares. Baby isn't property of that woman, just like it isn't property of society. But it is helpless and if mother isn't willing to take care of it, someone must do it instead. Mother has no right to kill her own baby, just because it is growing inside her. It is not part of her body, it is a living thing which will soon develop mind of its own. That is why abortion is allowed until certain period of pregnancy, as fetus progresses killing it becomes murder.

On-topic: Conchita is looking better to me today, probably because I've seen above picture like 20 times so far. She's a proper woman, likes to hang out with fugly people to make herself looking pretty.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Yarl on May 13, 2014, 01:08:28 pm
What's really frightening is the alternative. When ppl care too much about other ppl choices shit like this happens:

Yeah, these guys care, I can see it.

I hope you see it's retarded. 100+ years ago women couldn't wear trousers (and still can't in some parts of the world). With exception of George Sand :P
No tolerance to people who came to fuck a child.
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2.00 - Russian neo-chocolate chip cookies don't even speak russian? :D
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Renay on May 13, 2014, 01:27:18 pm
No surprise that Leshma likes her/him/it.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kuujis on May 13, 2014, 01:57:39 pm
Fuck this shit.

Lets go retro:
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: DonNicko on May 13, 2014, 02:25:26 pm
Fuck this shit.

Lets go retro:
Seems he got this numbers from his mind, mmm... 2 points to Hungary, mmm... no let's give it to Poland, no to Hungary, 3 to Poland. OMG my mind will blow.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Prpavi on May 13, 2014, 02:42:48 pm
No tolerance to people who came to fuck a child.



So wearing a dress is equal to rape? Russian logic  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on May 13, 2014, 02:47:57 pm
No I think the point being made was that the people being beat up were paedophiles, although there is some debate over whether the people being targeted by vigilante groups are actually paedophiles, or gay, or a mixture of the two. Regardless, vigilantism isn't the right thing imo.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Angantyr on May 13, 2014, 02:54:42 pm
Who except some retarded women watch Eurovision?
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Prpavi on May 13, 2014, 02:55:39 pm
No I think the point being made was that the people being beat up were paedophiles, although there is some debate over whether the people being targeted by vigilante groups are actually paedophiles, or gay, or a mixture of the two. Regardless, vigilantism isn't the right thing imo.

Were they convicted pedophiles, cought in the act or just gay=pedophile? Sry it's hard to believe in the righteous judgement and rational thinking of those kinds of people/groups.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Leshma on May 13, 2014, 03:29:22 pm
No surprise that Leshma likes her/him/it.

Only if she shave that beard. I'm beard intolerant.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Butan on May 13, 2014, 04:06:15 pm
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Would tap that,
Bear my children Ô bushy women,
I want to reproduce with the future of mankind!
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Falka on May 13, 2014, 04:07:32 pm
Lol, in UK and Ireland the public vote when to those slutty Polish girls, but the 'professional' panel gave them 0 :'( they should have won.

Keep in mind there's quite a lot Poles in Uk and Ireland these days, but you're right ofc, they should have won
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Mother has no right to kill her own baby

As long as baby sits in her belly she can kill it with no repercussion. At least according to most (all?) of european legislaltions.


Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Butan on May 13, 2014, 04:11:52 pm
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I suddenly regret not having watched eurovision.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Yarl on May 13, 2014, 05:23:27 pm

So wearing a dress is equal to rape? Russian logic  :rolleyes:
I spoke about video.

cought in the act or just gay=pedophile?
They are paedophiles who came to young boys. If you watch the full episode you will see everything from first facebook (vk.com) message. It's not a gayhunting.
anyway it's not a way to solve paedophila problem so this big guy Tesak and his comrades  now in jail.  :)
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Leshma on May 13, 2014, 06:01:47 pm
As long as baby sits in her belly she can kill it with no repercussion. At least according to most (all?) of european legislaltions.

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Most countries in the European Union allow abortion on demand during the first trimester. After the first trimester, abortion is allowed only under certain circumstances, such as risk to woman's life or health, fetal defects or other specific situations that may be related to the circumstances of the conception or the woman's age.

Before 3 months it's not really a baby, still haven't developed brain functions. So yeah, pretty much what I've said in previous post.

Also you come from a country which:

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With the exception of Poland, Europe's formerly Communist countries have liberal abortion laws. Poland is a country with a strict abortion law, and where it is also difficult to have a legal abortion on request.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: darmaster on May 13, 2014, 06:09:59 pm
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Falka on May 13, 2014, 06:29:10 pm
We're talking about 2 different things; abortion performed by a third party and penalization of mother's act. While doctor or any other person who performs or helps to perform an abortion commits a crime for which he can be convicted, mother herself in the eyes of the law is innocent. According to polish law and afaik other european laws act of mother isn't penalized, so she can stab her in a belly in a 9th month and it won't be a crime. Helping her, persuading to get an abortion is a crime, but what mother do is not.

 
Also you come from a country which:

POland = Catholand :cry:
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 13, 2014, 06:47:45 pm
The good old staircase accident style of abortion always works anyway. Penalizing the mother would be incredibly stupid, the trauma caused by aborting is more than enough "punishment", as if punishment was necessary.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Falka on May 13, 2014, 06:50:16 pm
Not so long ago (before II WW?) it was a crime, but back then even suicide was a crime for which you'd be hanged in UK even if you were dead already :P
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Leshma on May 13, 2014, 06:51:36 pm
She might not end up in prison, but hardly will avoid being in mental care institution for some time. Just like people who choose to harm themselves without valid reason. We're not free to kill ourselves, without anyone raising a question why. Nor we should be. Society has a purpose.

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The good old staircase accident style of abortion always works anyway.

Death will occur in more cases than not. I wouldn't call it a "style" because only dumb (or desperate) will risk their life like that. If can be proven that woman did that intentionally, most likely will be treated as attempted suicide first, then murder of a baby.

edit: wrong word
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Falka on May 13, 2014, 07:00:40 pm
Tbh I think it's better for a child not to be born at all than live in a family where parents don't want it. Illegal abortion makes more harm than good, but sadly retarded, populistic politics in my country will "never" change it. Ofc illegal abortion is only for the poor, the rest of society can freely fly to Ireland and there get an abortion.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 13, 2014, 07:08:58 pm
She might not end up in prison, but hardly will avoid being in mental care institution for some time. Just like people who choose to harm themselves without valid reason. We're not free to kill ourselves, without anyone raising a question why. Nor we should be. Society has a purpose.

I'm free to light a cigarette though. And a pregnant women stabbing her belly (which is unheard of I have to say) might have good reasons to do so.

Death will occur in more cases than not. I wouldn't call it a "style" because only dumb (or desperate) will risk their life like that. If can be proven that woman did that intentionally, most likely will be treated as attempted suicide first, then murder of a baby.

That would be a trial of intent, it's hard to prove. In any case yes that's a desperate "solution".
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Leshma on May 13, 2014, 07:11:45 pm
Tbh I think it's better for a child not to be born at all than live in a family where parents don't want it.

That's cruel. Life can be miserable, but it is always better than being dead. Whole "I wanna kill myself, can't live like this" thing is just a phase, it's not something permanent. Death, on the other hand, is permanent. You can rewire your brain to accept tremendous pain, if you try hard enough. But you can't revive dead brain.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 13, 2014, 07:13:57 pm
That's cruel. Life can be miserable, but it is always better than being dead. Whole "I wanna kill myself, can't live like this" thing is just a phase, it's not something permanent. Death, on the other hand, is permanent. You can rewire your brain to accept tremendous pain, if you try hard enough. But you can't revive dead brain.

You are comparing existence with non-existence and arguing that one is better than the other, is that right ?
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Leshma on May 13, 2014, 07:20:12 pm
Exactly. It's funny how even religious organizations, who sell us "after life" story are against suicide. That's because they know how full of shit they are and that we all exist just once in this universe (until they manage to prove that "mind-soul" energy can retain state while being in different form).
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: DonNicko on May 13, 2014, 08:47:00 pm
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Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on May 13, 2014, 10:41:51 pm
I think this belongs here too. At least first 30 seconds
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Ikarus on May 14, 2014, 12:22:40 am
It´s just Euro song contest, literally ANYONE can win there.

Still, it´s nice that Austria got some attention again, since we barely win anywhere (Our soccer team is an eternal joke).
She won because 1. the show was good 2. the voice was decent 3. "we must show tolerance, ho!" -> following drama+press attention 4. eurovision song contest

The beard is weird, but it´s just a medium to get drama/attention, so yeh. gratz but we´ll forget about it after at least a week
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Chosen1 on May 14, 2014, 12:43:03 am
I don't understand LGBTs... you are born either a man or a woman, XY or XX, and that's it.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Utrakil on May 14, 2014, 12:56:09 am
I don't understand LGBTs... you are born either a man or a woman, XY or XX, and that's it.
You are wrong!
get informed!
 As a little start use wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex)
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Leshma on May 14, 2014, 01:51:52 am
I3. "we must show tolerance, ho!"

bullshit!

lgbt are like any other interest group, care only about their cause. it's not about tolerance, it's about them.

you can bet your ass that siamese twins or person with a tail on stage would get same reaction from both heteros and lgbt, and that would be hidden fear and disgust. enough proof is people like that aren't even on the stage, because they get pushed away and labelled as "damaged" at the very start.

gays are not fighting for freedom and tolerance, they are fighting for their own thing. aren't the most famous gay designers known of criticism of another huge group of people, fat people? obviously, being fat isn't a valid choice and those people should be exterminated and turned into"normal" individuals. so much hypocrisy and double standards, it's not even funny.

Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: [ptx] on May 14, 2014, 08:55:01 am
gays are not fighting for freedom and tolerance, they are fighting for their own thing. aren't the most famous gay designers known of criticism of another huge group of people, fat people? obviously, being fat isn't a valid choice and those people should be exterminated and turned into"normal" individuals. so much hypocrisy and double standards, it's not even funny.
Being fat is, except in a few very rare cases, a choice - and unhealthy one at that. Does not compare with sexuality at all.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Molly on May 14, 2014, 09:37:03 am
And to the best of my knowledge no regimes have ever tried to systematically exterminate fat people, or formally declare them 2nd class citizens.
The UK might have. There have been tons of reports here about how worried MPs are about the fat kids in the UK. Kinda makes you 2nd class... well, maybe not by rights but socially?
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Prpavi on May 14, 2014, 09:42:13 am
The UK might have. There have been tons of reports here about how worried MPs are about the fat kids in the UK. Kinda makes you 2nd class... well, maybe not by rights but socially?

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Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Molly on May 14, 2014, 09:48:17 am
Well, imagine you're a fat kid. I mean more fat than you already are, Prips :D

And then in the evening you watch some news show and they show politicians talking about fat kids, how many there are, how unhealthy it is, how lazy their parents are for not providing proper food or something. Next day you go to school and everyone in your class watched the same news.
That will have an impact on your social life and status which is probably already pretty hard when being a fat kid. It kinda makes you a 2nd class citizen socially.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Molly on May 14, 2014, 10:04:29 am
I wasn't trying to equalize the UK to Russia.

I merely was trying to say that there are always 2nd class citizens, if not by law then socially. Nothing else. :wink:
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 14, 2014, 10:07:35 am
Well, a really fat and ugly woman would have trouble reporting rape as well, no ?
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: DonNicko on May 14, 2014, 10:36:07 am
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Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Teeth on May 14, 2014, 10:59:13 am
Now I am usually quite liberal an individualistic in the sense that I respect the choices people make for their own lives and I am not bothered by them, but I am not a huge fan of transsexualism or any of that gender confusion crap. You are simply born a biological male or a female, and like many other biological aspects of who you are, people deal with it. The whole conviction of being a different gender than your body doesn't have any scientific validity, so I am hard pressed to see it as anything different than a mere choice. I am inclined to think that if the scientific possibility and an albeit low degree of acceptance did not exist, few would actually come to this conclusion. It's a whole nature versus nurture thing of course, but I believe that your environment has a huge influence of the ideas one has about oneself. They could just be the most feminine and gay dude ever and I wouldn't mind. But changing the very core of your biology is such a far reaching intervention in a natural human life based on a wholly psychological idea about yourself, I for one would be against using public funding to do sex changes.

I shamefully admit to having watched a bit of Eurovision for the first time in like 6 year before I went out, of course ironically and it was quite hilarious, but I was quite impressed by the musical quality of what I have seen. Norway had a pretty damn awesome and tasteful song. Sweden was decent, apart from the godawful lyrics. Germany was allright, bad stage set up though and vocal style. Didin't watch the whole voting stuff, but I looked at the end results and they make sense if you imagine the tacky taste of the average European. Except my own country, the Netherlands, that bland boring ass song apparently was well liked, well the stage performance was excellent.

Austria had a perfect Eurovision song, that could be appreciated by anyone and a good lighting show. On song and performance alone they would have ended up high anyway. Gotta say, it was a nice looking beard.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 14, 2014, 11:22:36 am
Even biology itself outside of psychology isn't completely binary on the matter. Hormones factor a lot in gender appearance i.e. females with beards and males with breasts are not really that uncommon. Other than that, some people are not born with a visible gender, and factors that are not physical only appear at least after 18 months. In the meantime, it's almost impossible for the parents to stay gender neutral. Of course, not all transgender are like this. But even if it's purely psychological, trying to "cure" it like a mental disease would not be a good solution.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Umbra on May 14, 2014, 12:29:34 pm
Dont turn this forum to tumblr  :?
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on May 14, 2014, 12:43:35 pm
Haha why not?
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 14, 2014, 12:51:13 pm
Dont turn this forum to tumblr  :?

I'm so done with meleegaming
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Macropus on May 14, 2014, 12:56:21 pm
Well, a really fat and ugly woman would have trouble reporting rape as well, no ?
A really fat and ugly woman would have trouble getting raped in the first place.   :)
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: [ptx] on May 14, 2014, 01:12:03 pm
I'm so done with meleegaming
100% done.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Butan on May 14, 2014, 01:48:15 pm
I wasn't trying to equalize the UK to Russia.

That would have been a grave insult.
Its good that you clarified your position.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Angantyr on May 14, 2014, 01:48:28 pm
Space Barbie also has a beard (1:00).

Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: darmaster on May 14, 2014, 03:16:50 pm
http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/russian-scientists-discover-cure-to-homosexuality/


yep
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: DonNicko on May 14, 2014, 03:26:50 pm
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Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 14, 2014, 03:40:08 pm
http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/russian-scientists-discover-cure-to-homosexuality/

I'm no biologist, but they may have a point about estrogen mimickers having some effect.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Leshma on May 14, 2014, 03:45:54 pm
I'm no biologist, but they may have a point about estrogen mimickers having some effect.

Implying that sexual preference has something to do with biology...

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Being fat is, except in a few very rare cases, a choice - and unhealthy one at that. Does not compare with sexuality at all.

Find me a proof that people are born straight or gay.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 14, 2014, 03:47:27 pm
Implying that sexual preference has something to do with biology...

It has to do with psychology, which is just a byproduct of this wonderful biological thing which is the brain.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Leshma on May 14, 2014, 03:52:34 pm
Won't be go deeper into that subject, just will say this: in few decades when we find commercially viable way to reproduce artificially there will be another sexual revolution. Humanists will say that people will start to freely choose who they want to have intercourse with, because there will be no stigma attached to it. But from evolutionary standpoint, sex will probably suffer as an activity and greatly lose popularity. Sex has always been and still is overrated activity and that is justified by importance it has in prolonging our specie. When that stops being the case, things will change.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on May 14, 2014, 03:56:20 pm
I doubt it that sex would be killed by artificial reproduction. I think it would be killed by safe permanent libido inhibiting contraceptives with no side effects.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Leshma on May 14, 2014, 04:06:48 pm
Also another thing, trying to sell freedom based on specific cases (such is freedom of gays or freedom of black people) won't go very well everywhere. Because some nations have no experience with many events that led to current state (f.e. Russians don't get whole black slavery thing because they weren't holding black slaves like Americans did).

If you want to sell freedom, you need to define it universally (as an ideology). You can easily explain gay rights to Russian if you explain it as part of something bigger that has correlation with some ideas they are familiar with. Although communism they know of has many faults, it is still based on Utopian ideas first presented by Thomas More.

Russians and Americans are like two kids, they are jelly of each other. Russians don't like things that originated in USA because they weren't the first to "invent" it. It takes different approach and a compromise.

In other words, model that worked for gays in USA won't work for gays in Russia.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on May 14, 2014, 06:33:00 pm
Surely that was a bandwagon everyone has been on for centuries until the 60s onwards?
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 14, 2014, 06:37:13 pm
Surely that was a bandwagon everyone has been on for centuries until the 60s onwards?

I'm not too sure about that to be honest.

Homosexuality started being a real issue for the conservatives when the liberals started pushing things forward. It became an ideological battleground just like so many things before. Hence the atmosphere was not tolerant but certainly more relaxed on that particular issue before the sixties.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on May 14, 2014, 06:44:21 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buggery_Act_1533

Don't know about other countries, but classing homosexuality on the same level as bestiality doesn't really look like tolerance to me.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 14, 2014, 06:53:58 pm
English law on homosexuality pushed their greatest mind of the 20th century to commit suicide, but it was still fine in the 50s.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on May 14, 2014, 07:09:43 pm
His suicide was in the 50s.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 14, 2014, 07:10:37 pm
His suicide was in the 50s.

Yes, and it didn't attract much public outrage against the law.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on May 14, 2014, 07:13:43 pm
Ah I misread you. We are agreeing that things were shitty before the 60s. So yes things were more relaxed, but not to say that homosexuals had an easier time.
Edit: they just had less options.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Leshma on May 14, 2014, 10:43:06 pm
You're implying that the amount of homosexuality is increasing as a %, that would be impossible to prove.

Some "fake" it because it can help them in professional careerer. Gays, just like any smaller interest group that has been pushed away by majority, tend to stick together and work harder.

Not sure are gays growing in numbers, don't find any relevance in that. Bringing whole matter to biological level is silly, but both sides (homophobes and gays) are using that as a weapon to achieve their goals.

Now you can say it is impossible to change sexual preference or fake it but I disagree. Sexual preference change over time. You might not become bisexual but that's mostly because you're too afraid to even give it a try, not because you're born straight. You're afraid how other will judge you. But when it comes to straight, which is socially acceptable on almost all levels, you change preference all the time. As younger guy you might be into one type of women, later in completely different type. They are not all the same. It's not different as having sex with another gender, but there are differences. Sex has two key components and physical contact and the way how you do it is just one part. The other is attraction and what we call chemistry.

Women are different than men when it comes to this, they like to experiment a lot more. Many women are bisexual and don't find it strange to be with another women. Men are a bit stuck up when it comes to that but I don't blame them. After all, men are the uglier and less desirable gender.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on May 15, 2014, 12:35:31 pm
Also why portray the situation as a binary power struggle? It's a bit more intricate than that.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Torben on May 15, 2014, 10:58:25 pm
hm,  didnt quite read the hole thread.  what Id like to say to one of macropuses early posts:

about the eastern and western kind of "caring"  you mentioned:  the real point is that in the west,  you have the freedom and are fostered to make up your own mind about everything.
this of course doesnt always work,  look at conchita for example.  half of the voters for her are probably dumb-whitted hipsters who think its revolutionary to wear a beard and make-up.

the eastern mentality you mention (cant say if its a fact or not,  just going with the info you give me)  seems to want you to not freely make up your mind but to make up your mind in consensus with an indoctrinated moral or a vastly accepted moral (a bit like the wests pseudo-openmindedness).  this of course doesnt completely work either,  as you (the east/russia,  whatever) have just as many free thinkers as any other country.
 
thing is,  actual free thinking comes with intellect and a healthy dosage of experience,  no matter in what country you live.

take the childrens card that close-minded people might play out:  a healthy child seeing a bearded she male will find it awkward,  maybe funny or whatever.  but will never its self turn out transgender just because of having seen it.
on the other hand a child that has transgender tendencies and gets indoctrinated with it being devilishly wrong,  will always have a hard time,  broken psyche and will be so occupied with its inner conflict,  that it might never grow to its full potential.

blup.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Dark_Blade on May 16, 2014, 12:56:42 am
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Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 16, 2014, 01:24:08 am
this of course doesnt completely work either,  as you (the east/russia,  whatever) have just as many free thinkers as any other country.

mmmh

Counting those in prisons and in exile, mayyybe
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Prpavi on May 16, 2014, 08:37:33 am
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What unnatural bullshit? What do you define as natural and by what standards?

Only bullshit I see here is this pile of crap you decided to dump on us in your post
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Dark_Blade on May 16, 2014, 12:23:22 pm
the trouble is in sexual difference.
What unnatural bullshit? What do you define as natural and by what standards?
every healthy human  same as any other animal born to make a new generation and leave the world for life of this(and next) genration(s).
why is it standart? because reproduction is one of the main functions of the living organism... or in Gayropean schools teachers are not telling it?
pile of crap you decided to dump on us in your post
how come that if you dont like it - its a bullshit? i dont like to see things this way too but  its doesnt matter what we like or we dont, things are still going in their way. you dont give a fuck? mmm, okay. but if you dont give a fuck - why do you have something in your mind about it?
Conchita is an over-the-top reaction against people who demand control on the way people should look and act.
freedom from what are you getting when you are wearing what you  want?when you looks like you want? at the important things you will still act as government requires from you. even at your mind you are able and actually should do that what government wants from you. what does this freedom worth?
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Prpavi on May 16, 2014, 01:06:19 pm
1.the trouble is in sexual difference. every healthy human  same as any other animal born to make a new generation and leave the world for life of this(and next) genration(s).
why is it standart? because reproduction is one of the main functions of the living organism... or in Gayropean schools teachers are not telling it?

2.how come that if you dont like it - its a bullshit? i dont like to see things this way too but  its doesnt matter what we like or we dont, things are still going in their way. you dont give a fuck? mmm, okay. but if you dont give a fuck - why do you have something in your mind about it?


1. What prevents gay people from reproduction?

2. I don't give a fuck what anybody wares or who or how they fuck as long as it's consensual, what I care about is retards like yourself trying to force their own "not natural" bullshit "facts" on people as arguments against homosexuals. What feels natural is natural, it's just sex and what feels good is good for that individual, not what you or who ever tells them.

 
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: DonNicko on May 16, 2014, 01:45:04 pm
Well, I think you can't blame countries where gays are incommon. For example in islamic countries or Russia or Chechnya, why people should blame them in their intolerance if they have other values. You won't find any gay in Chechnya, because it's forbidden by Qoran and Bible, it's sin because of which Soddom and Homora were burned.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Dark_Blade on May 16, 2014, 01:46:12 pm
1. because child cant be born from male. well ofcourse he may get it from some woman(but here is some troubles in relations between people. i think the woman wont be happy in this case... well if woman is selling this kind of service... well nuff said) or technically(this way is made of the since not just nature). so whats wrong with my statement?

2. fuck what you are getting pleasure from if its unnormal by the nature ffs. you live in society that have their own rules which are getting so many radical changes at last 100 years. in my opinion if people have such mind about 1000 years ago - we shouldnt born same as our parents probably(because without gathering people cannot do much). you are not saying a single argument why this fact is a bullshit. once you said about animals in some similar conversation. if you dont know - in animals world some homosexual actions works as hard insult to the victim, its not about pleasure.

I really cant get why people are trying to be individual when its more effective for progress to be gathered at the mind... well fucking egoists are thinking only about their own interests.

I'm not fussed with 'freedom' so much as intolerance, i know we all exist within accepted social norms to the point where right now you're being a generic stereotypical eastern european response and i'm being a generic western european stereotype.

'Freedom' is a relative term, intolerance is less so
stereotypes are not really informative because i belive most of people who i know dont give a fuck about it or maybe just disgusting. actually the most disgusting thing for me is how popular it became in the "high world". some homos are being posted as famous and respected persons even if there not a single reason to respect them. and pop-culture says that its not just normal to be gay, you should also proud of it o_O thats what i dislike. if you prefer men and you found a guy that you love - let it be... but do not show it for all the world ffs.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Herezy92 on May 16, 2014, 01:46:57 pm
Ahahaha, if you guys think that homosexuality is dangerous for our future (because of  lack of reproduction) then go ahead, you are free to think it.  :D
(It's not like we need more humans in Earth right?)

And have a look at the past. (before the monotheistic religions)
In the old world (Europe/Asia).Sexuality was free and unchained, and Mankind never missed men & women to have a decent/very important reproduction ratio.

Everybody should be free to do what he wants if its not interfering/causing problems with your own life.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Dark_Blade on May 16, 2014, 01:52:47 pm
Ahahaha, if you guys think that homosexuality is dangerous for our future (because of  lack of reproduction) then go ahead, you are free to think it.  :D
(It's not like we need more humans in Earth right?)

And have a look at the past. (before the monotheistic religions)
In the old world (Europe/Asia).Sexuality was free and unchained, and Mankind never missed men & women to have a decent/very important reproduction ratio.

Everybody should be free to do what he wants if its not interfering/causing problems with your own life.

it does. its interfering in my mind and at this way it chaging my life and thats it! i dont want some information spam to change my life! but who is asking me? nobody. its because even when we are free - we are still dependent of each other. so what a point in trying to be free?
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: [ptx] on May 16, 2014, 02:06:25 pm
Lmao, i don't even know where to start... so i won't :lol:
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Dark_Blade on May 16, 2014, 02:19:15 pm
not pro-homosexual mentality and anit-himosexual mentality are different things. does russians are burning gays? nope. what about chocolate chip cookie? they did.
well however its just unnormal for society. that what is good for 51% of society should be good for everyone. thats how the fucking life in society works and there shouldnt be any exceptions because its pointless to fix the thing which isnt broken. they dont want to be ashamed just for their preferences? lets say i want to fap inside the class with 12 years children but for some reason i am going to be ashamed if i'll do it!D: why????  I am getting fun from it and i am not doing anything bad to anyone!!!!
my example is a bit incorrent but just a bit
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Herezy92 on May 16, 2014, 02:20:43 pm
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It does. its interfering in my mind[...]
In your mind....
Try to kill someone. Justice will judge you guilty.
Try to think in your mind you are killing someone. You wont be punish.

You are free to think what you want, till you don't act.

What is in your mind do not interferes, with real-life.
(Tell me if one day you are going to be killed because someone thought at it :) )
So technically it doesn't have any impact in your life style.

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i dont want some information spam to change my life!
Information spam?
I don't get it. Are you saying that the medias are trying to control your mind by spaming information with homosexual ideas?? (if yes tell me your country :) ) Gay-land ?  :mrgreen:
Please explain me your point.

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but who is asking me? nobody.
Who is asking you what ?  :shock:  :?

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its because even when we are free - we are still dependent of each other. so what a point in trying to be free?
Yes, we call this the society. Indeed we are all depending on each others.
So, for you, if someone is gay/lesbian, you can't relly on him? why?

But if you insist by saying "homosexuality is interfering in my life, we must do something" So for you, someone who is born homosexual will you force him to not be gay?
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Butan on May 16, 2014, 02:25:45 pm
Human society inter-dependency will activate when there is a dire need of reproduction, atm the earth is over-populated so there is more incentive for exploration of sexual preferences.
The possibility to reproduce without natural intercourse, thanks to our technology, adds to the fact there is less natural necessity for natural mating.

If a comet hit earth or a pandemic wipe out most of the human race and all its infrastructure, homosexuals will start mating with the other sex like there is no tomorrow, else there will really be no tomorrow and we are really fucked (in the bad sense).

I dont see it happening, except if sterile intercourse becomes the ultimate norm and we culturally/psychologically/biologically forget how to have sex/babies. We are very far from this point.
There is lots of scenario where our race is extinguished and I dont think rampant homosexuality is the most plausible one.



A lot of things disgust me, but then I just dont do it. As long as noone is forcing me to mate with something I dont want to, or forcing me to watch them do it, I dont mind.
If gays take over the world and I have no potential sex partner, and same sex male people make out in public all the time, and I lose my hands in an accident and dont have enough money to buy prostetic ones, I'm going to be very sad and angry though  :(
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Herezy92 on May 16, 2014, 02:29:33 pm
Human society inter-dependency will activate when there is a dire need of reproduction, atm the earth is over-populated so there is more incentive for exploration of sexual preferences.
The possibility to reproduce without natural intercourse, thanks to our technology, adds to the fact there is less natural necessity for natural mating.

If a comet hit earth or a pandemic wipe out most of the human race and all its infrastructure, homosexuals will start mating with the other sex like there is no tomorrow, else there will really be no tomorrow and we are really fucked (in the bad sense).

I dont see it happening, except if sterile intercourse becomes the ultimate norm and we culturally/psychologically/biologically forget how to have sex. We are very far from this point.
There is lots of scenario where our race is extinguished and I dont think rampant homosexuality is the most plausible one.



A lot of things disgust me, but then I just dont do it. As long as noone is forcing me to mate with something I dont want to, or forcing me to watch them do it, I dont mind.
If gays take over the world and I have no potential sex partner, and same sex male people make out in public all the time, and I lose my hands in an accident and dont have enough money to buy prostetic ones, I'm going to be very sad and angry though  :(
This needs more than a +1 :)
It's need a SUPER FROG +1

EDIT :  HESKEYTIME +1 too

FrogKiss
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Prpavi on May 16, 2014, 02:32:47 pm
I'm trully sorry Dark_Blade I forgot you're an utter moron and not worth the time, you don't even the understand half of the words being written to you.

Go back to you "normal" life, I only pray i don't encounter many of your kind in my life... (/  ^____^ )/ 
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Herezy92 on May 16, 2014, 02:36:17 pm
I'm trully sorry Dark_Blade I forgot you're an utter moron and not worth the time, you don't even the understand half of the words being written to you.

Go back to you "normal" life, I only pray i don't encounter many of your kind in my life... (/  ^____^ )/

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What is in your mind do not interferes, with real-life.
(Tell me if one day you are going to be killed because someone thought at it :) )
Please Prpavi, do not try to kill him with your mind :o
If he dies, i'll know it's you, and you will be punish!  :twisted:

EDIT: To be honest, i don't think insulting him is a good idea.
The intelect has to be shared.
Think at the Enlightenment century, they had to write, and explain clearly their point of view, to improve the global knowledge.
I prefer taking a bit of my time explaining our points of view  in order to let him a chance to understand what we try to explain than just insulting :)

If he still refuses to understand or accept, then he is free to do so.
But i wont waste one more minut for him for this topic.

Frenchkiss
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Prpavi on May 16, 2014, 02:38:28 pm
I wish harm to no man, only love <3

I just don't want to hang around and listen to biggots, that's why I said that  :mrgreen: also karma is a hell of a thing, most of all I feel sorry for him  :wink:
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Dark_Blade on May 16, 2014, 02:41:01 pm
I just want to say that if you have not traditional sexual preferences - there is nothing to proud. if its fine for you - let it be but it should be your own business. just keep it like its normal if you really think its normal.

well in Ukrainian media we can see transexuals and gays much more often than 5-6 years ago... it works as propaganda because such people are being showed as famous persons ... but the only unique things they usually have are implanted boobs. i do resist to this kind of propaganda same as the most of other people... but most is not everyone.

the thing is you will start to act when your mind will be changed. maybe this acting wont be really different compared to my acting before brainwash but still there will be some difference. I dont want to have this difference but i have nothing to do with it because its one of social factors. its not about gays or some stuff like this. its about propaganda at all.


yes. Butan, you are right. but people should understand why it really happens and not lie to themself about individual interests ...

I am not sure what I have to understand, Prpravi. you are writing literally nothing. what can i understand?
you dont give a fuck about gays and you think its okay and you dislike when people disagree with you at this points. people are free at their minds and actions.
thats all what i've got from your posts. well I am disagree with each of this points and thats it. each of your post is kinda the same and not really informative. only disagreement without a single argument. and you calling me as moron? lol ok
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 16, 2014, 03:10:42 pm
If you are offended by people expressing their sexual preference, you just are a bigot.

Also, if you reduce men and women to their reproductive role and consider it the point of their existence we might as well institutionalize rape. Oh wait...
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Herezy92 on May 16, 2014, 03:30:03 pm
Ehhhh.
Don't be so rude with him !  :shock:
Remember that internet is breaking the walls of cultures from the countries.
Every country is at a different degree of development, and has a different way of thinking.
Every country has his own way to manage it.

Step by step a global world-culture is growing up.
But we are still far from it.
The one who has already learnt a lesson should teach to the others and not screaming on them :)

GO SUPPORT the Enlightenment ideas !
The logic and individual liberty of thinking (anathema of religions) must expand.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: chadz on May 16, 2014, 03:45:46 pm
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Dark_Blade on May 16, 2014, 04:06:01 pm
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Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 17, 2014, 04:04:58 pm
It's unfortunate that Judeo-Christian morals are so dogmatic on the issue of reproduction.

7 billion people and we still have people whose argument against anything not heterosexual is "BUT NEED MOAR BABBYS D: D: D:"
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: darmaster on May 17, 2014, 05:43:37 pm
Christians have their way to get "modern" and keep faithfuls tards

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecumenical_council
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Leshma on May 17, 2014, 07:05:32 pm
It's unfortunate that Judeo-Christian morals are so dogmatic on the issue of reproduction.

7 billion people and we still have people whose argument against anything not heterosexual is "BUT NEED MOAR BABBYS D: D: D:"

We do need more babies to populate the universe and that has nothing to do with religion. Also, I'm disgusted by people who support population control. Assholes, each one of them.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: DonNicko on May 17, 2014, 07:31:50 pm
We do need more babies to populate the universe and that has nothing to do with religion. Also, I'm disgusted by people who support population control. Assholes, each one of them.
You talk about China?
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on May 17, 2014, 07:35:44 pm
Not sure if pro-life or just against One Child Policy...
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Butan on May 17, 2014, 08:23:42 pm
We do need more babies to populate the universe and that has nothing to do with religion. Also, I'm disgusted by people who support population control. Assholes, each one of them.

I also have a in-built tendency to want my own specy to spread and populate the whole universe (and beyond) Leshma, but until we have the means to colonise new planets or better food production its not a very good idea to increase Earth population  :P

While I also dislike population control policies, if it hasnt been done we would have a lot more problems than this Conchita shemale.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: darmaster on May 17, 2014, 09:11:35 pm
We do need more babies to populate the universe and that has nothing to do with religion. Also, I'm disgusted by people who support population control. Assholes, each one of them.

what's wrong with population control? how are you planning to populate the universe right now?
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Xant on May 17, 2014, 09:33:17 pm
why is it standart? because reproduction is one of the main functions of the living organism... or in Gayropean schools teachers are not telling it?
Genes are selfish and thus bent on reproduction, individual organisms are necessarily not. It's funny you should be making fun of "Gayropean" school teachers when your understanding (and therefore, your education) of the matter is so primitive. A six year old European kid would have the same level of insight on this matter as you. Homosexuality is completely natural. Saying "reproduction is one of the main functions of the living organisms" just underlines how little you really know about organisms, life, and how it came to be and how it continues to be.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: _schizo321437 on May 17, 2014, 09:37:20 pm
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Ehhhh.
Don't be so rude with him !  :shock:
Remember that internet is breaking the walls of cultures from the countries.
Every country is at a different degree of development, and has a different way of thinking.
Every country has his own way to manage it.

Step by step a global world-culture is growing up.
But we are still far from it.
The one who has already learnt a lesson should teach to the others and not screaming on them :)

GO SUPPORT the Enlightenment ideas !
The logic and individual liberty of thinking (anathema of religions) must expand.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 17, 2014, 11:31:56 pm
We do need more babies to populate the universe and that has nothing to do with religion. Also, I'm disgusted by people who support population control. Assholes, each one of them.

Tell that to the multiple societies that collapsed out of overpopulation. And it's not like the examples are all part of the distant past. For the time being, the entire universe within our reach is fairly limited, hence population control is extremely important.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: darmaster on May 18, 2014, 12:56:52 am
populate the universe how?
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Umbra on May 18, 2014, 02:01:10 am
By jerking off into the air. It is scientifically proven that sperm can survive vacuum, extreme cold and travel vast distances trough space. Life on Earth started when our alien ancestor sprayed a massive load in the general direction of our planet.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Butan on May 18, 2014, 02:03:01 am
By jerking off into the air. It is scientifically proven that sperm can survive vacuum, extreme cold and travel vast distances trough space. Life on Earth started when our alien ancestor sprayed a massive load in the general direction of our planet.

im horny now, pls halp
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Dark_Blade on May 18, 2014, 02:59:49 am
how many countries with population control in Europe? europeans just have some other ideals in their mind and its became a bit less popular to have child\-ren NOT because of understaing the situation with population in the world.
control over the population has nothing to do with moral. maybe only changing the ideas inside moral... i'll not say that is good or bad for the world... its just so.
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Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Xant on May 18, 2014, 09:37:15 am
Europe does not have a problem with overpopulation, that's probably why they don't control it...
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 18, 2014, 09:47:52 am
Europe does not have a problem with overpopulation, that's probably why they don't control it...

Europe doesn't currently have a problem with overpopulation. However, accepting the harmless natural developments that will limit population growth is important. Many European countries don't control their population closely. But some still insist on controlling it towards the other direction. Like Spain for instance.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Xant on May 18, 2014, 10:29:17 am
Europe doesn't currently have a problem with overpopulation. However, accepting the harmless natural developments that will limit population growth is important. Many European countries don't control their population closely. But some still insist on controlling it towards the other direction. Like Spain for instance.
If anything, Europe has a problem with under population. Europeans aren't having enough children, which is why immigrants are necessary for most European countries to even maintain their economies.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 18, 2014, 10:31:12 am
If anything, Europe has a problem with under population. Europeans aren't having enough children, which is why immigrants are necessary for most European countries to even maintain their economies.

What would those babies accomplish that immigrants don't ?
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Molly on May 18, 2014, 10:57:14 am
What would those babies accomplish that immigrants don't ?
Ideally being raised as part of the countries population, being properly educated, being a support to the society.
Realistically and unfortunately that's not always the case though.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Overdriven on May 18, 2014, 11:06:06 am
how many countries with population control in Europe? europeans just have some other ideals in their mind and its became a bit less popular to have child\-ren NOT because of understaing the situation with population in the world.
control over the population has nothing to do with moral. maybe only changing the ideas inside moral... i'll not say that is good or bad for the world... its just so.
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There are actually policies to do with population control in place, although in most cases this is due to a falling population.

In certain European countries they offer a lot of incentives for having children. Population control doesn't always have to be forced sterilisation ect and incentive based schemes are very popular in Europe.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: darmaster on May 18, 2014, 11:16:00 am
By jerking off into the air. It is scientifically proven that sperm can survive vacuum, extreme cold and travel vast distances trough space. Life on Earth started when our alien ancestor sprayed a massive load in the general direction of our planet.

jizz, you might be correct
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 18, 2014, 11:21:16 am
Ideally being raised as part of the countries population, being properly educated, being a support to the society.
Realistically and unfortunately that's not always the case though.

Funnily enough, it's the same people that argue against immigration and pro-natality that an instant later criticize pro-natality measures because they subsidize "10 children immigrant families".
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Xant on May 18, 2014, 11:22:48 am
What would those babies accomplish that immigrants don't ?
Ùh.... what?
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 18, 2014, 11:25:56 am
Ùh.... what?

Do you have troubles understanding lexically, syntactically and semantically correct English sentences ?
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Xant on May 18, 2014, 11:57:31 am
Do you have troubles understanding lexically, syntactically and semantically correct English sentences ?
No, but apparently you do.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 18, 2014, 12:04:49 pm
Ùh.... what?

No, but apparently you do.

I need a little bit more to go on, I admit.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Xant on May 18, 2014, 12:05:53 pm
What would those babies accomplish that immigrants don't ?

What kind of a question is that? Why are you quoting my post when asking it? It's a complete non sequitur to what I said.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 18, 2014, 12:26:19 pm
What kind of a question is that? Why are you quoting my post when asking it? It's a complete non sequitur to what I said.

Mmh, yes now that I re-read your sentence I think I deduced a little bit too much from it. I understood your message was that immigrants should not be necessary hence Europe should have more children. Which is not strictly what you had written. Although of course saying that Europe is underpopulated is a little bit silly in my opinion.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Xant on May 18, 2014, 12:42:43 pm
Mmh, yes now that I re-read your sentence I think I deduced a little bit too much from it. I understood your message was that immigrants should not be necessary hence Europe should have more children. Which is not strictly what you had written. Although of course saying that Europe is underpopulated is a little bit silly in my opinion.
http://www.pop.org/content/fertility-decline-in-western-europe-1727
http://www.forbes.com/sites/joelkotkin/2012/05/30/whats-really-behind-europes-decline-its-the-birth-rates-stupid/
http://www.conservativehome.com/the-deep-end/2013/08/population-decline-is-real-and-happening-in-europe-right-now.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/14/world/europe/germany-fights-population-drop.html?pagewanted=all
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_decline#Decline_by_nation_or_territory
http://edge.org/response-detail/23722
http://pop.org/content/underpopulation-not-overpopulation-real-1472
http://www.metafuture.org/Articles/AgeingFutures.htm
etc

Europe is not "underpopulated", but it's what Europe is worrying about happening, not overpopulation.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 18, 2014, 04:43:00 pm
Population decline isn't equal to underpopulation.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Xant on May 18, 2014, 05:36:39 pm
Population decline isn't equal to underpopulation.
Ants are insects.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Falka on May 19, 2014, 11:27:49 pm
A gentle decrease wouldnt be the worst thing in the world,

Maybe not the worst, but it will be pretty bad, in my country with current population growth rate in 25 or so years there'll be more retired ppl than those in productive age which will bring colapse of budget.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Kafein on May 20, 2014, 01:08:00 am
Maybe not the worst, but it will be pretty bad, in my country with current population growth rate in 25 or so years there'll be more retired ppl than those in productive age which will bring colapse of budget.

You can't just flee forward forever and expect that to work.
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on May 23, 2014, 07:17:33 pm
Looks like the Serbian church holds this man responsible for the recent floods. Such religious bigotry!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/serbia/10850219/Conchita-Wurst-caused-Balkan-floods-after-Eurovision-win-say-church-leaders.html
Title: Re: Future fashion
Post by: Falka on May 23, 2014, 07:32:11 pm
You can't just flee forward forever and expect that to work.

Not forever, but at least 50-60 years, after me, the flood, I don't care :P