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Title: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Radament on April 15, 2014, 03:26:38 pm

i found out my ram is obsolete.
need suggestion of a good brand like kingston , corsair and i found out this G-Skill ones.
I need 8 Gb (4Gbx2) DD3 at 1600Hz

ps : don't know exactly what Latency do , it's related to the timings? (fuck i'm googling it  :mrgreen:)
and don't know if the low  voltage is a good thing or not.

which are the most performant?

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thanks!

edit: got i5 intel chipset (win 7 32) and my only use is gaming/photoshop , anything related to 3d and video editing

sorry if the links are in italian but you could figure out what's the specifics in there :9

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on April 15, 2014, 03:46:06 pm

I can only say that I have been using 2 x 4GB CORSAIR XMS3 for 2 years now, and they are still working. So at least you can put a "+" next to Corsair product's durability. Was my first branded set of RAM, and i have no regrets!

EDIT:

They sell XMS on that page you are using too :) though i am in no way an expert - when i assemble a new PC, i just nerd Tom's Hardware charts, and compare quality/ratings VS my budget...

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Kafein on April 15, 2014, 03:49:58 pm

First, get more than 8Gb.
Second, with two sticks you usually have to install them in slots 1 and 3, not 1 and 2. Remember that.
Third, typical DDR3 @1600 is good enough.
Fourth, I think low nominal voltage is good if you want to OC, because that lets you bring it up more without bricking your pc. But if you want to OC your RAM you should consider buying better sticks instead anyway.

If that helps, here's a good article on the set I use: http://wccftech.com/review/g-skill-ripjwas-x-4gbxm-review-built-for-sandybridge/

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Thryn on April 15, 2014, 03:52:39 pm

Whatever you do, don't cheap out on your RAM. I've got 2 x 4gb 1866 Crucial, but I was able to pick it up at an electronics store for $40. I'd say to get 1600 at least. If you really don't know what you want, Corsair usually pulls through. I haven't had a single problem with my Crucial, though.

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Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Christo on April 15, 2014, 03:56:16 pm

Quote from: Kafein on April 15, 2014, 03:49:58 pm

First, get more than 8Gb.

Is this the standard now? To get more than 8?

Oh dear, my PC is so obsolete.

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Vibe on April 15, 2014, 03:57:03 pm

Quote from: Kafein on April 15, 2014, 03:49:58 pm

First, get more than 8Gb.

Why would anyone need more than 8gb unless in some specific profession? Even 4 is enough.

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Radament on April 15, 2014, 04:00:37 pm

Quote from: Kafein on April 15, 2014, 03:49:58 pm

First, get more than 8Gb.
Second, with two sticks you usually have to install them in slots 1 and 3, not 1 and 2. Remember that.
Third, typical DDR3 @1600 is good enough.
Fourth, I think low nominal voltage is good if you want to OC, because that lets you bring it up more without bricking your pc. But if you want to OC your RAM you should consider buying better sticks instead anyway.

If that helps, here's a good article on the set I use: http://wccftech.com/review/g-skill-ripjwas-x-4gbxm-review-built-for-sandybridge/

but...don't know if 16Gb of RAM is using all the ram with my win 7 32bit and gaming...btw you suggest to buy 2xRipjwas-x @8GB each?

don't know , maybe i'll add another 4Gb @1600Hz and gg , i'm keeping money for the vga or motherboard (that one i have sucks a bit (asus p7h55-M))
anyway thanks.

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: cmp on April 15, 2014, 04:20:23 pm

Quote from: Radament on April 15, 2014, 04:00:37 pm

but...don't know if 16Gb of RAM is using all the ram with my win 7 32bit

Win7 32bit = at most 4GB usable. Anything over that is useless.

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Leshma on April 15, 2014, 05:25:28 pm

Quote from: Vibe on April 15, 2014, 03:57:03 pm

Why would anyone need more than 8gb unless in some specific profession? Even 4 is enough.

If you don't have an SSD, it would be smart to turn off paging and apply some patches for certain applications which can't work without page file.

Also, you can run multiple browsers, virtual machines, games... without a single hiccup (provided your CPU isn't shit).

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Kafein on April 15, 2014, 06:18:36 pm

Quote from: Christo on April 15, 2014, 03:56:16 pm

Is this the standard now? To get more than 8?

Oh dear, my PC is so obsolete.

Quote from: Vibe on April 15, 2014, 03:57:03 pm

Why would anyone need more than 8gb unless in some specific profession? Even 4 is enough.

More than 8Gb is not necessary to the average pc gamer, but it's more comfortable. I have been hitting memory problems even just by being creative while multitasking. 4Gb leaves you with very little margin though, and some games will not run properly alongside the usual background processes if you only have 4Gb. It's pretty much not enough nowadays.

Quote from: Radament on April 15, 2014, 04:00:37 pm

but...don't know if 16Gb of RAM is using all the ram with my win 7 32bit and gaming...btw you suggest to buy 2xRipjwas-x @8GB each?

First, check if you can install a 64 bit OS, that will allow you to use more than 4Gb. Unless your pc is older than you, you should be able to. Then if you are tight on budget you should weight the price of more RAM against new gpu etc. the stuff you want to do like image and video editing is memory-intensive before anything else though. So if you want to improve that, buying more RAM is the way to go.

One last thing : be extremely wary of mixing different sticks together. Your PC won't kaboom if you do, but you will very probably get horrible performance.
EDIT : actually in the worst case you might get a blue screen if the sticks are completely incompatible.

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Prpavi on April 15, 2014, 06:32:30 pm

Nah you don't need more than 8gigs, unless you want to wave you e-peen  :mrgreen:

I'm running 8gb Mushkin Blackline @1866 for almost 3 years now, still don't feel the need for another 8gigs.

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Radament on April 15, 2014, 07:12:56 pm

bah , went to a store , all they had were shitty brands that i don't trust , must buy online at this point.
in reply to cmpx , i know but i want to image editing without any performance issue when i'm getting the graphic tablet (when i got the money or when i see a good offer for an old wacom , not the new ones) , yes it's not 3d nor video editing but i notice some problems when i try to apply some effects.
@kafein: i don't really want to change my OS , if it was for me i'd install Linux (too bad for gamers tho) but it's not affected by these microsoft dependance.

anyway thanks all , getting 2 good 4Gb @1600Hz like those i posted and gg :)

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Radament on April 15, 2014, 07:32:48 pm

i think i'm getting these Corsair  http://www.prokoo.com/ddr3-1600mhz-pc12800-corsair-vengeance-2x4gb-p-7941.html?manufacturers_id=25 (http://www.prokoo.com/ddr3-1600mhz-pc12800-corsair-vengeance-2x4gb-p-7941.html?manufacturers_id=25)  8-) :D
problem solved

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: [ptx] on April 15, 2014, 07:35:34 pm

Question - are you running a 32bit operating system? Because, if you are, then, like cmpx said, you won't benefit from anything above 4gb.

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Thryn on April 15, 2014, 07:54:20 pm

You literally won't use any amount over 4gb on win32 (it doesn't utilize any amount over 4); Don't buy above 4gb unless you plan on upgrading your OS.

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Vibe on April 15, 2014, 08:31:49 pm

Radament you absolutely won't use any ram above 4gb on Win7 32bit, I hope you realize that, just thought you should know

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: cmp on April 15, 2014, 08:39:17 pm

In case you didn't know, you can't use more than 4gb ram on 32 bit Windows, so think twice before you buy more than that.

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Christo on April 15, 2014, 08:52:58 pm

Radament please keep in mind that you can't use more than 32gb ram on a 4-bit Windows, just a heads up

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Radament on April 15, 2014, 08:55:40 pm

Quote from: Christo on April 15, 2014, 08:52:58 pm

Radament please keep in mind that you can't use more than 32gb ram on a 4-bit Windows, just a heads up

fuck this i'm a put 50 TB @40009HZ and watch explode my computer after a session of minefield , see you at Liveleak , hoping there will be no gore.

next thread will be about "Suggest me a new computar cause i explodid my old one"

no seriously , ok i'll keep 4Gb but i'm not sure , now i'm going to write in the nerd italian forum to have clarification about the differences between Cmos Latency and Cmos Latency.

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Radament on April 15, 2014, 09:13:22 pm

Guys , do you know if i can overclock my RAM and how much , as this tutorial shows?

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:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: cmp on April 15, 2014, 09:15:44 pm

Quote from: Radament on April 15, 2014, 08:55:40 pm

now i'm going to write in the nerd italian forum to have clarification about the differences between Cmos Latency and Cmos Latency.

The difference between Cmos Latency and Cmos Latency is that there is no such thing as Cmos Latency, while there is no such thing as Cmos Latency.

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Radament on April 15, 2014, 09:24:25 pm

Quote from: cmpxchg8b on April 15, 2014, 09:15:44 pm

The difference between Cmos Latency and Cmos Latency is that there is no such thing as Cmos Latency, while there is no such thing as Cmos Latency.

i mean Cl9 CL10 and such , what's the difference between these 2?
ok i read it's memory latency but...what they do? because if there's no such differency it's better the one at low price isn't it?

ok from tom's hardware nerd united corp i read : "CL:

To know the difference, you have to know what CL means. The CAS latency is the time between accessing memory and being able to read the memory from the output, so 8 is faster than 9 is faster than 10. BUT and this is a huge BUT. Notice the all caps. Sometimes a higher CAS is faster because the memory operates at different speeds. For instance a DDR3 1333 module runs at 666mhz and ha a cycle time of 1.5ns. With a CL of 6 that means it takes 9ns for the memory to be available on the output. However a DDR3 1600 module runs at 800 and has a cycle time 1.25ns. With a CL of 7 it takes 8.75ns. As you can see, even though the CL is higher, it is still faster because the mhz jump increases the cycle time enough to give it a little boost. Going further, DDR3 2000 is just as fast at CL9 as the 1333 is at CL6.

1333vs1600:

You're not going to notice anything different. the only time you would notice, is if you are running one of AMD's new APU processors. It was shown that faster memory did speed up the gaming experience for the integrated GPU.
Better to go for 1600mhz cl9. "

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Kafein on April 15, 2014, 10:03:28 pm

Without willing to join the loltrain en route, if you are running Win7 32b you probably have a key that also gives you access to Win7 64b.

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Gnjus on April 15, 2014, 10:12:53 pm

Radamantis why u keep geeking when u cant geek ?

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Radament on April 15, 2014, 10:55:31 pm

Quote from: Gnjus on April 15, 2014, 10:12:53 pm

Radamantis why u keep geeking when u cant geek ?

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Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Thryn on April 16, 2014, 01:46:39 am

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Remember, don't buy more than 4gb if you are using win32, it won't work.

Here's an update for you. I hope it helps you on your RAM installation.

As you can see below, the slots are quite visible.

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Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Smoothrich on April 16, 2014, 02:04:00 am

I've seen benchmarks for modern games like Arkham Origins that actually showed worse performance over 8 GB of ram, and the exact same between 4 and 8 GB.

Just stick with 8 GB regardless if its a gaming rig. After all, the PS4 and the Bone only have 8 GB. That will be the standard for the next 10 years.

Also lol, when CoD: Ghosts was released it wouldn't even install if you had less than 6 GB of ram, for no apparent reason. Worst optimized game I ever played.

Also, I suggest you upgrade to Windows 8.1 64-bit. It is much better optimized for modern games. Just pirate it if you have to.

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Vibe on April 16, 2014, 10:14:56 am

Quote from: Smoothrich on April 16, 2014, 02:04:00 am

Also, I suggest you upgrade to Windows 8.1 64-bit.

pls dont, going through that shit ass interface of Windows 8 made me want to kill myself

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Prpavi on April 16, 2014, 10:34:18 am

Quote from: Vibe on April 16, 2014, 10:14:56 am

pls dont, going through that shit ass interface of Windows 8 made me want to kill myself

You get used to it, I have win 8.1 on my office PC and it ain't all that bad.

At home I still use Win 7 cuz I don't have a licence for 8 but i would definitely install it allong with the old Start button and I'm fine.

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Radament on April 16, 2014, 01:30:38 pm

Quote from: Prpavi on April 16, 2014, 10:34:18 am

You get used to it, I have win 8.1 on my office PC and it ain't all that bad.

At home I still use Win 7 cuz I don't have a licence for 8 but i would definitely install it allong with the old Start button and I'm fine.

Can you play Diablo 2 with Windowns 8? Can you visit Youjizz with it?  If yes , who cares , the most important thing is loot and boobs.

I was despereate when i switched on win7 from winxp , but after some months was like *notbadface*

if it is for me , fuck windows and install linux but i'm a lazy ass and i'm scared for the games compatibility.

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Prpavi on April 16, 2014, 01:35:56 pm

Quote from: Radament on April 16, 2014, 01:30:38 pm

Can you play Diablo 2 with Windowns 8? Can you visit Youjizz with it?  If yes , who cares , the most important thing is loot and boobs.

I was despereate when i switched on win7 from winxp , but after some months was like *notbadface*

if it is for me , fuck windows and install linux but i'm a lazy ass and i'm scared for the games compatibility.

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Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Radament on April 16, 2014, 01:39:06 pm

Quote from: Prpavi on April 16, 2014, 01:35:56 pm

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but what about the butts

i can win a staring contest with that gif

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Nehvar on April 16, 2014, 03:02:45 pm

What kind of games do you run mostly?  Eight gigs is fine right now for just about everything.  Only a handful of applications, like a heavily modded Skyrim for example, are starting to use more.  Since I just started playing Skyrim myself I might personally go with 16GB (which would require you to upgrade to a 64bit OS as well).  The only concern I would have is that DDR4 is supposed to hit the consumer market towards the end of this year...maybe.  Well, it's a tough call really.  The release time-frame isn't set in stone and it will almost certainly be overpriced at the beginning AND it's going to require, at the very least, a new motherboard.

Anyway...as for brand-names, I trust Corsair, Mushkin and Samsung.  G.Skill is another popular brand among gamers but I have not personally used them before.

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: cmp on April 16, 2014, 03:27:32 pm

Quote from: Nehvar on April 16, 2014, 03:02:45 pm

Only a handful of applications, like a heavily modded Skyrim for example, are starting to use more.

Skyrim is a 32 bit application with LAA, and as such it cannot address more than 4GB (http://www.zhihua-lai.com/wp-images/acm/2012/laa4.jpg). There will be no difference whatsoever between 8 and 16GB RAM, unless your OS and background applications are using more than 4GB.

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: bavvoz on April 16, 2014, 03:56:14 pm

A good thing to do is to check which ram have been tested on ur mothboard so u dont order something that wont work for u (i learned this the hard way).  There should be a list on the manufacters webpage

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Vibe on April 16, 2014, 03:59:49 pm

basically

do you need it for casual PC use and gaming = 4gb
are you running more "heavy" applications or virtual machines at the same time = 4gb+

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Nehvar on April 16, 2014, 04:12:15 pm

Quote from: cmpxchg8b on April 16, 2014, 03:27:32 pm

Skyrim is a 32 bit application with LAA, and as such it cannot address more than 4GB (http://www.zhihua-lai.com/wp-images/acm/2012/laa4.jpg). There will be no difference whatsoever between 8 and 16GB RAM, unless your OS and background applications are using more than 4GB.

No, by default it couldn't - until Boris created ENBoost anyway.  I don't know exactly what magic he used but Skyrim is now capable of hogging more than 4GB.  I'll personally get harassed about being out of memory if I forget to close even a minor application before playing Skyrim.

EDIT:  Just to be clear.  Technically the additional memory load comes from enbhost.exe and not tesv.exe.  This distinction doesn't matter to a gamer like me but for the sake of not derailing this thread further I thought I should mention it.

Title: Re: mmh.. suggest me some RAM
Post by: Radament on April 16, 2014, 09:00:51 pm

Quote from: Vibe on April 16, 2014, 03:59:49 pm

basically

do you need it for casual PC use and gaming = 4gb
are you running more "heavy" applications or virtual machines at the same time = 4gb+

i think i can close the thread , in some posts i trolled in other was serious , thanks all for the suggestion but i'm keeping my shitty 4 Gb  and maybe changing OS in future.  :D