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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: no_rules_just_play on February 19, 2014, 01:34:17 pm

Title: remove repairs on dtv?
Post by: no_rules_just_play on February 19, 2014, 01:34:17 pm
I would like to see repairs removed on dtv for these reason:

1) no more cheap gear leechers
2) everyone taking good gear means a better dtv experience for everyone, people will take out their best gear to play together!
3) I have never heard bots complain about high armour STR crutchers
4) suicide runners are actually easier to spot as they need multiple hits to go down (when using heavy gear to blend in)

just drop the gold gain a bit and make the waves a bit harder and there should be no problem with too massive gold gain, people will gain the same but will actually be trying hard to win instead of just trying to die as fast as possible in their lederhosen.

I mean come on, we are playing TOGETHER on dtv, this mode can only benefit from having teams full of glorious knights in heavy armor!
Title: Re: remove repairs on dtv?
Post by: Moncho on February 19, 2014, 01:51:36 pm
DTV is already a huge gold income, removing repairs would only make this even worse than it is now.
Title: Re: remove repairs on dtv?
Post by: no_rules_just_play on February 19, 2014, 01:53:17 pm
DTV is already a huge gold income, removing repairs would only make this even worse than it is now.
that's why I said the gold gain should be dropped a bit if implemented
Title: Re: remove repairs on dtv?
Post by: oreshy on February 19, 2014, 02:01:04 pm
...it seem's dtv becomes more as more to e-sport rather than a chill-out-party.
Title: Re: remove repairs on dtv?
Post by: no_rules_just_play on February 19, 2014, 02:02:50 pm
...it seem's dtv becomes more as more to e-sport rather than a chill-out-party.
you mean sit back in leech gear and let your team farm the massive xp and gold for you? You can start up your own xp-less and gold-less server and chill out there if you really like it so much.
Title: Re: remove repairs on dtv?
Post by: oreshy on February 19, 2014, 02:11:58 pm
you mean sit back in leech gear and let your team farm the massive xp and gold for you? You can start up your own xp-less and gold-less server and chill out there if you really like it so much.

...sure, that's what i mostly went to do if i not have enough str until higher lvl's as a glorious knight in heavy armor.
Title: Re: remove repairs on dtv?
Post by: no_rules_just_play on February 19, 2014, 02:33:24 pm
...sure, that's what i mostly went to do if i not have enough str until higher lvl's as a glorious knight in heavy armor.
so what's the problem with removing the upkeep on your armour?
Title: Re: remove repairs on dtv?
Post by: oreshy on February 19, 2014, 03:01:41 pm
I would like to see repairs removed on dtv for these reason:

1) no more cheap gear leechers
2) everyone taking good gear means a better dtv experience for everyone, people will take out their best gear to play together!
3) I have never heard bots complain about high armour STR crutchers
4) suicide runners are actually easier to spot as they need multiple hits to go down (when using heavy gear to blend in)

just drop the gold gain a bit and make the waves a bit harder and there should be no problem with too massive gold gain, people will gain the same but will actually be trying hard to win instead of just trying to die as fast as possible in their lederhosen.

I mean come on, we are playing TOGETHER on dtv, this mode can only benefit from having teams full of glorious knights in heavy armor!

1: ...define cheap gear , min str required ? ..(surely i know, i don't mean lederhosen & such obviously stuff above lvl 4) ...& i hope you just mean armors & not weapons 'bout gear.
2: ...best gear is far relative depending on lvl & build & peoples taste & it could be a bad experience for an xbow in full plate as an example , but still funny.
3: ...that's because they know, they have str crutchers too nowadays ...& a lot of them.
4: ...so, could any player in full plate (where isn't that experienced in blocking) be a potentially suicide runner then ?

..waves harder as it currently is ? it's nice to have the next wave after ninja & tihrs atm & upkeep sucks anyway in general to be honest.

..all in all still not a bad idea & i was probably missing some points , maybe give it a try ....why not. 

...this could fits to a certain theme.
Title: Re: remove repairs on dtv?
Post by: Fips on February 19, 2014, 10:43:33 pm
I would like to see repairs removed on dtv for these reason:

1) no more cheap gear leechers
2) everyone taking good gear means a better dtv experience for everyone, people will take out their best gear to play together!
3) I have never heard bots complain about high armour STR crutchers
4) suicide runners are actually easier to spot as they need multiple hits to go down (when using heavy gear to blend in)

just drop the gold gain a bit and make the waves a bit harder and there should be no problem with too massive gold gain, people will gain the same but will actually be trying hard to win instead of just trying to die as fast as possible in their lederhosen.

I mean come on, we are playing TOGETHER on dtv, this mode can only benefit from having teams full of glorious knights in heavy armor!

Ehm no, that'll just make it SO much easier for leechers to leech gold. It's not as easy to define when someone is suiciding, because smart leechers will do it in a way that doesn't make it look like it.

Although, and i have absolutely no idea how hard it is to implement, to raise the amount of gold you get the higher your gear is. Meaning, you will receive less gold for wearing peasant equipment (Since the repairs are nearly nothing andnew players get good gold anyway), maybe even mid-tear equipment getting a little less or the same amount and the heavy gear getting quite the buff when it comes to gold. If players earn more money on heavy gear that should definitely encourage everyone to bring their best gear.
Not sure what to do with ranged, though. Should get a buff, too, or just no repairs on arrows (Because they are the problem when it comes to upkeep on archers) and bolts. Throwing is fine imo.

I still don't feel too good about that idea, too. Even right now i rarely lose any gold when going full plate and i don't want to lure too many people from battle/siege to dtv just because it's fucking gold mine.
Title: Re: remove repairs on dtv?
Post by: Panos_ on February 19, 2014, 10:52:48 pm
Remove the gold gain from DTV along with the repairs.
Title: Re: remove repairs on dtv?
Post by: Kafein on February 19, 2014, 11:53:51 pm
In my opinion the biggest problem with DTV is that it is really rare to find a team of similar minded people and where there aren't players being exploited by others for free gold and xp. It doesn't help that this gamemode does everything to attract leechers and low level players. I know low level players have to go somewhere, but I would highly prefer if they played something for themselves instead of "relying on" which just means quite literally stealing the efforts of others in a "cooperative" mode.
Title: Re: remove repairs on dtv?
Post by: no_rules_just_play on February 20, 2014, 01:02:07 am
Ehm no, that'll just make it SO much easier for leechers to leech gold.

not if you drop the gold gain per round and leave out repairs, people will slowly gain gold and they won't have to fuck their team in the pooper by choosing leech gear and a dagger.
Title: Re: remove repairs on dtv?
Post by: Rhaelys on February 20, 2014, 01:06:06 am
Solution: Remove upkeep, Remove gold gain.

People will be incentivized to bring whatever gear they want to contribute at maximum capacity to the efforts of their team.
Title: Re: remove repairs on dtv?
Post by: MountedRhader on February 20, 2014, 06:50:27 am
Ehm no, that'll just make it SO much easier for leechers to leech gold. It's not as easy to define when someone is suiciding, because smart leechers will do it in a way that doesn't make it look like it.

Although, and i have absolutely no idea how hard it is to implement, to raise the amount of gold you get the higher your gear is. Meaning, you will receive less gold for wearing peasant equipment (Since the repairs are nearly nothing andnew players get good gold anyway), maybe even mid-tear equipment getting a little less or the same amount and the heavy gear getting quite the buff when it comes to gold. If players earn more money on heavy gear that should definitely encourage everyone to bring their best gear.
Not sure what to do with ranged, though. Should get a buff, too, or just no repairs on arrows (Because they are the problem when it comes to upkeep on archers) and bolts. Throwing is fine imo.

I still don't feel too good about that idea, too. Even right now i rarely lose any gold when going full plate and i don't want to lure too many people from battle/siege to dtv just because it's fucking gold mine.

So far Fips, as of last patch, I cant make gold in my normal gear which is medium, and that is because we all die on ninjas. We cant get to higher rounds where the real profit xp and gold wise is. Once in a while the clouds break and we make it to Tihr round to die, but even I armed with the best of my clan and Acre together couldnt get past Tihr. All acre fellows had plate on too, and so did I and my skilled mate Hitla. Ive lost all my gold in DTV and now my items are starting to break. I could break even before because I was at least paid enough to fix my gear and continue the fight but we simply cant get far enough on DTV to make gold.

The ninjas in particular are overpowered, they need a nerf and especially remove the 2hand from the black-lamellar ninjas, they swing through the others worse than old weaboos!

DTV must not become a goldmine, but it most not become straight desert either. I agree, but

If you can make the waves less harsh, that would fix some of the problems now faced, and if the gold was restored to normal, certainly that would right a lot of the wrong. And yet, to go even farther, I approve of no repairs on DTV. It actually sounds like a good idea. And if people are going to suicide anyway which time and time again has shown that they will, why hurt the team by not letting us use our heavier armor? Why not let the leeching scum suicide while the rest of the team survives?
Title: Re: remove repairs on dtv?
Post by: RD_Professor on February 20, 2014, 07:05:49 am
At this point in time, I would make more money by investing all my money in both the lottery and penny stocks than playing DTV with medium armor. Either abolish repairs or lower the bot count for DTV, or players will tire of throwing their money away, and DTV will die.
Title: Re: remove repairs on dtv?
Post by: BlueKnight on February 20, 2014, 07:14:18 am
... I and my skilled mate Hitla...

(click to show/hide)

Didn't know you were friends and ye, he's a killing machine...
Title: Re: remove repairs on dtv?
Post by: Kamirane on February 20, 2014, 07:20:29 am
I dont agree to any solution here. DTV is as good as it was, just alot harder.
U still can make a shitload of money if u know how to. If u choose your equipment well for each round (yeah this means u rly need to use your equipmentscreen and not wearing your MW-Equip all the time) you can make money every round.

The real large problem is the behavior of a few ppl. Why?
- Starting duelling in DTV
- just afking (or just running around the V and die when bots charge V, so doing nothing at all)
- suicide runs
- trolling with kicks and nudges and do more harm as beeing usefull

How to fix it?

More DTV Admins! 1 warning - 2nd kick. more than 3 kicks a weak - Ban for a week. 3 Bans during 3 months - perm ban.

(i can only speak of EU-DTV, dont hang around much in others)
Title: Re: remove repairs on dtv?
Post by: Afina on February 20, 2014, 08:31:21 am


We cant get to higher rounds where the real profit xp and gold wise is. Once in a while the clouds break and we make it to Tihr round to die, but even I armed with the best of my clan and Acre together couldnt get past Tihr. All acre fellows had plate on too, and so did I and my skilled mate Hitla. Ive lost all my gold in DTV and now my items are starting to break. I could break even before because I was at least paid enough to fix my gear and continue the fight but we simply cant get far enough on DTV to make gold.

lol i play all time and have
Lordly Red Corrazina Armor-1268 gold repair
Masterwork Dadao-365 gold repair
Lordly Black Gauntlets-900 gold repair
Chapel de Fer-328 gold repair
Balanced Nodachi-963 gold repair
Mongolian Leather Boots-10 gold xD
all the time I only use this and many players know. while my money is not going no where in the negative, I always profit
before you make a complaint to the moderators try to learn to play better :D
I always play on DTV and when not faced with this problem, everything works fine, play and enjo :wink: :wink: :wink:
Title: Re: remove repairs on dtv?
Post by: Normanguy on February 20, 2014, 10:31:30 pm
Nope!

Another stupid idea, repair is repair keepmit on dtv it stops the leechers!
Title: Re: remove repairs on dtv?
Post by: Normanguy on February 20, 2014, 10:54:10 pm
Oh yeah lets do that leechers wear 0 upkeep gear, let them dir in one hit, they spawn more bots for others to deal with and potentially lose they still get xp and gold

You tell me where the sense in that is

Jeeping upkeep means they still do the same just pay for their stupidity and for those agreeing with this then ...
Title: Re: remove repairs on dtv?
Post by: Normanguy on February 20, 2014, 11:00:06 pm
Nope!

It makes the leechers wear 0-upkeep gear and die in 1 hit.

And also by you saying this draws leechers into the server

It's stupid lol
Title: Re: remove repairs on dtv?
Post by: Normanguy on February 20, 2014, 11:43:48 pm
Wow your so full of it trying to talk that way.

A leecher doesn't always use free stuff so that doesn't always apply so again your point is slightly invalid there and you can still make gold using heavy gear in dyv hence most people go there it really is not hard, so don't make a scene for my opinion it's stupid

So if you want this then as Panos says remove gold gain

I play dtv hence i think how stupid this is and hope it doesn't go forward!
Title: Re: remove repairs on dtv?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on February 21, 2014, 08:29:00 am
Solution: Remove upkeep, Remove gold gain.

People will be incentivized to bring whatever gear they want to contribute at maximum capacity to the efforts of their team.


This sounds rather lovely, and I'm not just saying this due to the pretty colors.