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And what requirement do you want xbows to have?PD?So we can have Archer-xbow Hybrids?Nah...
Guys stop whining about ranged. Get yourself a shield. It's realistic. Every soldier in medieval had a shield they didn't QQ "nerf xbows". Ranged is natural enemies of OP 2h and polearms (because of game mecanics).It would be realistic if shields actually helped
Again, get yourself a shield and stop agimy old friending in tunics.
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It would be realistic if shields actually helpedWell, i agree with that. I didn't play for few months and found my good old shield got reduce in force field.
Guys stop whining about ranged. Get yourself a shield. It's realistic. Every soldier in medieval had a shield they didn't QQ "nerf xbows". Ranged is natural enemies of OP 2h and polearms (because of game mecanics).
Again, get yourself a shield and stop agimy old friending in tunics.
Guys stop whining about ranged. Get yourself a shield. It's realistic. Every soldier in medieval had a shield they didn't QQ "nerf xbows". Ranged is natural enemies of OP 2h and polearms (because of game mecanics).
Again, get yourself a shield and stop agimy old friending in tunics.
Back in the 12th Century it was considered by many to be a weapon of mass destruction. It was feared and hated not just because it was capable of eliminating anyone on the battlefield from great distances, but because it allowed any lowly peasant to kill a high-born professional knight with the simple squeeze of a trigger – something that many elites feared could shatter the natural order of society. As a result: the highest authority of the day, the church, called for an outright ban on this particular weapon.http://militaryhistorynow.com/2012/05/23/the-crossbow-a-medieval-wmd/
Ah and btw. talking about realism:
Ok, not realism, let's say authentic.
M&B is all about authentic medieval fight, isn't it? I want to play with believable impression that this is medieval combat. Not fantasy bullshit with giant fucking final fantasy swords and dragons, right?
This is really true, the ammount of ranged has increased by a lot, if there are 40 players 15-20 are Ha's or archers or Xbowers...
I have to say that the aim of the bows is really too high, I've been with my horsie today and the archers could hit me and my horse from distances of 100+ metres without any difficulty and running in a high speed. It's really stupid how the ranged is so overpowered right now, it basically ruins the gaming experience, just decrease the damage and the aim and problem solved, is that so hard devs?
The amount of any class is not the real problem as it would be real bullshit to restrict the amount of a certain class. The more important step we should take, is buffing melee classes (ie. shielders who seem to have a hard time engaging ranged).not very true , as a shielder , engaging an archer is quite simple , just face them.
(ie. shielders who seem to have a hard time engaging ranged).
By that I meant "ranged" as a group of ranged players, ie. 3+. However the amount of shielders doesn't have to be one. Even if 3 shielders charge 3 archers, those could move into different directions and shoot those shielders who do not face them. In the end none of those shielders are protected at all as they are getting shot in the back/sides.
What buff could actually help them I am not sure about. In a real situation and not theory, it also does not always work out for the archers to split up of course.
I think having to let go of your block to chase ranged as a shielder is counter-intuitive. When there's 2 or more, it's almost impossible to get into run mode since you'll have to block projectiles, letting even slower ranged get out of reach. It was pretty bad when there were tons of throwers w/ some xbows everywhere just yesterday. My shield helped me survive, but I wasn't really able to kill much and just saw my team go down like flies.
Another fix for archers: Allow to equip one quiver of arrows per archer and remove the option to equip 2 quivers.
Problem fixed.
yes ..sure & only 1 stack throwing stones.Well, the suggestion that I posted would be applied to archers and crossbowmen exclusively because actually one quiver with an average of 15 to 25 would be the realistic amount of arrows, that would be historically accurate and actually logical too, but when you see archers with 2 quivers of arrows with 50 arrows... That is just stupid.
Well, the suggestion that I posted would be applied to archers and crossbowmen exclusively because actually one quiver with an average of 15 to 25 would be the realistic amount of arrows, that would be historically accurate and actually logical too, but when you see archers with 2 quivers of arrows with 50 arrows... That is just stupid.
And fuck your pictures of ranged players, we get it, we've seen them a thousand fucking times since the start of the new year.
So you think it's ok to have 60-70% of a medieval battle/siege simulation game's players playing ranged classes ? Simple yes or no if you please, possibly without repeating for a thousand fucking times that it's not the case while zillions of screens & people prove otherwise ? That's how a game should look like and nothing should be done about it, correct ?
No the problem is that you cant leave cover for a few seconds or you get shot by 5 arrows.
There was a melee-only server and nobody played there because they were having hard time to blame their blocking skills. Blaming amount of ranged suits better i guess.
All of you guys want to have archers in game but as peasants. They shouldn't do ranged damage, they shouldn't have melee skills or you know they could kick your ass.
For all guys whom wanted to have a higher protection for ranged, i have 69 body armor and i survive 5 arrows from a 34 level dedicated archer unless i run like a DTV bot. What damage reduction are you talking about?
Pathetic.
ranged is an important part in crpg, melee only ain't as fun as eu 1 (as it was long long time ago), but please reduce ranged number somehow, please do something :C and put the fucking power draw on xbows too.
There was a melee-only server and nobody played there because they were having hard time to blame their blocking skills. Blaming amount of ranged suits better i guess.
All of you guys want to have archers in game but as peasants. They shouldn't do ranged damage, they shouldn't have melee skills or you know they could kick your ass.
For all guys whom wanted to have a higher protection for ranged, i have 69 body armor and i survive 5 arrows from a 34 level dedicated archer unless i run like a DTV bot. What damage reduction are you talking about?
Pathetic.
And now for weather forecast:
It appears that for next few months, cRPG will suffer from long and intense arrow storms, accompanied by hurricanes of insults and bad language.
Experts advise fellow citizen of cRPG to not leave their houses, unless necessary.
If necessary, remember to boost your iron-flesh and strenght stats, and always wear plate armor and a shield with good enough coverage.
That is all for today. Have a nice day and good luck playing and keeping your sanity intact.
And now for weather forecast:
It appears that for next few months, cRPG will suffer from long and intense arrow storms, accompanied by hurricanes of insults and bad language.
Experts advise fellow citizen of cRPG to not leave their houses, unless necessary.
If necessary, remember to boost your iron-flesh and strenght stats, and always wear plate armor and a shield with good enough coverage.
That is all for today. Have a nice day and good luck playing and keeping your sanity intact.
EDIT: I feel for you guys.I hope this blows over soon, so we can have nice things again. Thank god my pc broke down, so I dont have to experience these horrors.
Therefore as an xbower myself as i have been for 10 generations i am going to forsake my arbalest and play melee instead with my character's WPF in xbow. I hope others will do it as it's either forsake your ranged or let cRPG die.
I never have this problem. Maybe you just suckBecause you are standing somewhere in the back of the map shooting from behind cover at inf and cav who are forced to take the open field because they can't do shit otherwise
Because you are standing somewhere in the back of the map shooting from behind cover at inf and cav who are forced to take the open field because they can't do shit otherwise
I'm obviously not speaking out of an archers perspective, but my 2-hander/cav alternative. :?
I'm obviously not speaking out of an archers perspective, but my 2-hander/cav alternative. :?well then you are obviously not shooting at yourself
I'd rather let the whole damn mod die out if I were to be forced to abondon my prefered class
I'd rather let the whole damn mod die out if I were to be forced to abondon my prefered class
ranged is an important part in crpg, melee only ain't as fun as eu 1 (as it was long long time ago), but please reduce ranged number somehow, please do something :C and put the fucking power draw on xbows too.
Why would you abandon it? It's like saying "heyo, 2 handers don't have the polearm secondary mode anymore, so I'll abandon the mod because of this"
If you don't want to nerf the damage, accuracy, etc... Just allow only 1 quiver of arrows per archer and problem solved.
Please add cs_assault and cs_militia, also the parka outfit for terrorist side.
And the bomb?
Err, noob
Elitist fgt :D
Cs is hostage rescue. =)
You're thinking of de_dust and yes add the bomb.
C7.
I was talking about cs as about game in general, not specific map and mode.
I think a keg full of gunpowder would be appropriate as bomb.
I think a donkey strapped with gun-power is a better solution. The medieval terrorists have to ride it to the bomb site.
You're thinking of de_dust and yes add the bomb.
C7.
C like C4 and 7 Like RPG-7, so it gives you CRPG ->C7?
Was it your way of thinking or am I overdoing it?
C7 is a radio command.
Fire in the Hole!
As a 2h, I can't stand ranged. I understand it's a core principle of the game and there is no point making it unplayable, for that is retarded. The growing number of hybrid throwers/xbow are what irritate me the most.
Every soldier in medieval had a shield they didn't QQ "nerf xbows".
C7 is a radio command.
Fire in the Hole!
Give them a free respec, and give them a chance to go into the right side 8-)Thats like giving a crack addict more cocaine, last respec gave us like 20+ HA/HX in EU_1, and that was so enjoyable i'd rather sit in a ant hive naked drinking my own piss while listening to steven seagals music.
Get yourself a shield. It's realistic. Every soldier in medieval had a shield they didn't QQ "nerf xbows".In some Medieval periods shields were quite common but pretty rare in others.
In some Medieval periods shields were quite common but pretty rare in others.Well I guess this thread has run it's course so I can derail it with a historical discussion. Wasn't it only after the development of high quality plate armour that the shield got discarded in favour of higher mobility and specialized twohanded weapons?
Well I guess this thread has run it's course so I can derail it with a historical discussion. Wasn't it only after the development of high quality plate armour that the shield got discarded in favour of higher mobility and specialized twohanded weapons?
Yup! But of course shieldless support infantry existed throughout.Wouldn't the same thing work the other way though to the point that calling shields pretty rare in any Medieval period is a bit of a stretch? I just have a hard time imagining the poorer soldiers taking the field without a shield. I know plate armour became fairly common eventually, evident in the late Hundred Years War and War of the Roses, but surely it didn't become that common that there were no foot soldiers who saw a shield as useful anymore.
Well I guess this thread has run it's course so I can derail it with a historical discussion. Wasn't it only after the development of high quality plate armour that the shield got discarded in favour of higher mobility and specialized twohanded weapons?
Wouldn't the same thing work the other way though to the point that calling shields pretty rare in any Medieval period is a bit of a stretch? I just have a hard time imagining the poorer soldiers taking the field without a shield. I know plate armour became fairly common eventually, evident in the late Hundred Years War and War of the Roses, but surely it didn't become that common that there were no foot soldiers who saw a shield as useful anymore.Surely not. But it is not so easy to tell exactly to what extent. The sources are very scarce when it comes to the lower classes, numbers, role in battle and equipment, in most Medieval battles we hear only of the nobility and men-at-arms. Even in the case of peasant armies we get only the number of knights fighting/slaughtering them. So besides the archaeological record some of our best sources for equipment use is different decrees about what a militia or levy is required to muster with. In many 12th and 13th century sources shield (and kettlehat) is a minimum requirement at least in Norway and Denmark, though peasants were less well-armed in other parts of Europe. And there's plenty of support in the sources that shields were standard equipment until the 1300s.