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Title: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 15, 2014, 10:37:31 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/14/net-neutrality_n_4597831.html

I compiled the average age of a judge on the DC Circuit Court of Appeals and it is 66. 

What a shitty fucking ruling.  America, the best government money can buy.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Tovi on January 15, 2014, 10:38:59 pm
Russia is the new land of Freedom. We must fight US fascism all over the world.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: LordBerenger on January 15, 2014, 10:45:26 pm
Russia is the new land of Freedom. We must fight US fascism all over the world.

Land of freedom but kills gays. Mmkay
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 15, 2014, 10:49:12 pm
And this goes against past legal precedents that were already set in this country in regards to basic infrastructure and anti-monopoly laws.  This happened with railroad networks, and with the telegraph/telephone lines.  This ruling goes against these past precedents.  The court got the ruling very wrong, but lobbying and big corporate money is what rules this country, not common sense or past legal precedents. 
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: IR_Kuoin on January 15, 2014, 10:54:49 pm
Greedy fucks ...
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Tovi on January 15, 2014, 10:57:19 pm
Cuz banksters took Power one century ago.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: sF_Guardian on January 15, 2014, 11:34:23 pm
Wow, poor Muricans...
Finally their internet got Chinese standards  :lol:
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: [ptx] on January 15, 2014, 11:46:25 pm
Well, shit. This is bad news for everyone.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Nightmare798 on January 16, 2014, 12:00:36 am
For all their talk about freedom :D

I cant help but find this ironic.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Jarold on January 16, 2014, 12:09:41 am
Oh crap. But seriously, how did this bull shit get passed?! It's like America wants our ISP's to become even more corrupt and money hungry!
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Christo on January 16, 2014, 12:21:11 am
Somebody pls put Mericuh' leaders to rest

Antiblitz, I choose you!
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Kafein on January 16, 2014, 12:45:28 am
Stop voting for nincompoops.


Also looks like you guys are going to have to install new cables.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Lt_Anders on January 16, 2014, 01:09:28 am
Stop voting for nincompoops.


Also looks like you guys are going to have to install new cables.

sadly the court is unelected in the US and most other countries.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: kinngrimm on January 16, 2014, 01:47:04 am
can anyone tell me why the follwoing things feel so similar to me?

a) net neutrality
b) spying onto citicen
c) file sharing
d) wistlblower
e) housing bubble
f) prison system
g) patent law
h) drugg warfare
i) spying for technologies
j) economic hitmen
k) warprofiteering
l) ...
...

Somehow i have to think about Cooparate Murika, controlled, numbed out and dumbed down population, politiciancs sold out to lobbiests, parolls of patriotism keeping the last one in line or otherwise him been put in his place. Biggest job creation machine the military and directly connceted industries ... a by W.Bush proclaimed new World Order, a selfcontious understanding of a win in the cold war, even though that war as the war on drugs or terror are wars which were never ment to be won, but to distract. They are word creations, which are artificially filled with meaning, same as with the concept of money. All these things have power over us and our thoughts because we allow it. Less fear more freedom, less controll for cooperations and state, not by denyiing yourself good state services, but by freeing your mind from fear. Question you need to answer for yourselves. Distract from what?
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Turkhammer on January 16, 2014, 03:20:24 am
Russia is the new land of Freedom. We must fight US fascism all over the world.
Ha ha.  Two names Putin and Khodorkovsky.  Fuck your theory.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Dooz on January 16, 2014, 03:23:36 am
it's ok guys let's just kill each other in this game some more
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Turkhammer on January 16, 2014, 03:24:17 am
And this goes against past legal precedents that were already set in this country in regards to basic infrastructure and anti-monopoly laws.  This happened with railroad networks, and with the telegraph/telephone lines.  This ruling goes against these past precedents.  The court got the ruling very wrong, but lobbying and big corporate money is what rules this country, not common sense or past legal precedents.

You are wrong actually.  Read the decision.  The internet is not classed as a utility, such as electric, gas or water.  Therefore the court ruled that the FCC has no authority to regulate.  The legislature needs to pass legislation putting it under the authority of the FCC, then it can be regulated.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Turkhammer on January 16, 2014, 03:27:39 am
can anyone tell me why the follwoing things feel so similar to me?

a) net neutrality
b) spying onto citicen
c) file sharing
d) wistlblower
e) housing bubble
f) prison system
g) patent law
h) drugg warfare
i) spying for technologies
j) economic hitmen
k) warprofiteering
l) ...
...

Somehow i have to think about Cooparate Murika, controlled, numbed out and dumbed down population, politiciancs sold out to lobbiests, parolls of patriotism keeping the last one in line or otherwise him been put in his place. Biggest job creation machine the military and directly connceted industries ... a by W.Bush proclaimed new World Order, a selfcontious understanding of a win in the cold war, even though that war as the war on drugs or terror are wars which were never ment to be won, but to distract. They are word creations, which are artificially filled with meaning, same as with the concept of money. All these things have power over us and our thoughts because we allow it. Less fear more freedom, less controll for cooperations and state, not by denyiing yourself good state services, but by freeing your mind from fear. Question you need to answer for yourselves. Distract from what?

I think you over think shit too much and thus begin to see conspiracies where there are none.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Dooz on January 16, 2014, 03:28:57 am
the solution is to UNDERTHINK
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Turkhammer on January 16, 2014, 03:38:28 am
the solution is to UNDERTHINK

You forgot to address the conspiracy part.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Dooz on January 16, 2014, 03:49:08 am
oh sorry i was underthinking
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Apsod on January 16, 2014, 04:54:10 am
can anyone tell me why the follwoing things feel so similar to me?

a) net neutrality
b) spying onto citicen
c) file sharing
d) wistlblower
e) housing bubble
f) prison system
g) patent law
h) drugg warfare
i) spying for technologies
j) economic hitmen
k) warprofiteering
l) ...
...

Somehow i have to think about Cooparate Murika, controlled, numbed out and dumbed down population, politiciancs sold out to lobbiests, parolls of patriotism keeping the last one in line or otherwise him been put in his place. Biggest job creation machine the military and directly connceted industries ... a by W.Bush proclaimed new World Order, a selfcontious understanding of a win in the cold war, even though that war as the war on drugs or terror are wars which were never ment to be won, but to distract. They are word creations, which are artificially filled with meaning, same as with the concept of money. All these things have power over us and our thoughts because we allow it. Less fear more freedom, less controll for cooperations and state, not by denyiing yourself good state services, but by freeing your mind from fear. Question you need to answer for yourselves. Distract from what?
You high again?
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Kafein on January 16, 2014, 09:37:11 am
By the way, what can't US courts do exactly? Declare war? Your legislation is so full of holes, it seems the juridical authorities are writing more laws than the legislative ones.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: AntiBlitz on January 16, 2014, 03:14:14 pm
Somebody pls put Mericuh' leaders to rest

Antiblitz, I choose you!

lol what do you want me to do?  im not a militant lol, just a simple public servant.

oh that wasnt the answer you were expecting umm hrmm, Gather the troops! we wage war! for the internet!

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oh sorry wrong photo, here we are in full strength

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I shall be marching on Washington tonight! 1 hour by car, or 3 days marching.





By the way, what can't US courts do exactly? Declare war? Your legislation is so full of holes, it seems the juridical authorities are writing more laws than the legislative ones.

For you!

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Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Christo on January 16, 2014, 03:47:16 pm
lol what do you want me to do?  im not a militant lol, just a simple public servant.

visitors can't see pics , please register or login


Put these babies to good use.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Kafein on January 16, 2014, 03:52:58 pm
Because hyperbole is for hipsters: I was hinting that because your legislative power seems to be anemic, very often you have juridicial power forced to make a court judgement in a case, that due to jurisprudence has the same power as law until a real law is written that is.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: AntiBlitz on January 16, 2014, 04:16:08 pm
Put these babies to good use.

they have these:

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and these:
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what it will feel like shooting at them:
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I believe its Colorado that allows the ownership of anti-tank weapons lol, like bazookas and shit.  You will have to talk to them, my state is too liberal to let me own anything larger then a .50 caliber.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Christo on January 16, 2014, 05:22:21 pm
I believe its Colorado that allows the ownership of anti-tank weapons lol, like bazookas and shit.  You will have to talk to them, my state is too liberal to let me own anything larger then a .50 caliber.

Murica at it's finest, will keep that in mind
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: LordBerenger on January 16, 2014, 05:34:06 pm
Murica at it's finest, will keep that in mind

If Colorado just were close to the ocean and had nice weather 24/7 it would be perfect alongside smoke weed legally errrrry day
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: SixThumbs on January 16, 2014, 05:40:48 pm
I can't remember the source but I recall reading at one point that democracy worked the best in ancient Greece and revolutionary America because the general populations had the same armaments as the governments and armies.

Edit:

Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 16, 2014, 06:54:49 pm
You are wrong actually.  Read the decision.  The internet is not classed as a utility, such as electric, gas or water.  Therefore the court ruled that the FCC has no authority to regulate.  The legislature needs to pass legislation putting it under the authority of the FCC, then it can be regulated.

The infrastructure that these networks run on was paid for by public funded tax payer money (at the same time when our national highway system was being built).  It's a public utility, and the ruling said that there is significant "competition" so there's no monopolies.  However that is not true, and we've seen this before with telephone companies who were technically not "Monopolies" but they worked together to fix prices. 
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Kafein on January 16, 2014, 07:14:48 pm
I believe its Colorado that allows the ownership of anti-tank weapons lol, like bazookas and shit.  You will have to talk to them, my state is too liberal to let me own anything larger then a .50 caliber.

That's not what liberal means
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: AntiBlitz on January 16, 2014, 07:25:58 pm
That's not what liberal means

its a reference to the political party, democrats, they tend to be more liberal then republicans, in which my state is mostly democratic, with the exception of a few counties.

So im not speaking directly about the definition, more so about the relation to the people who are democrats.


Democrats=Liberals
Republicans=Conservatives

Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Kafein on January 16, 2014, 07:30:15 pm
its a reference to the political party, democrats, they tend to be more liberal then republicans, in which my state is mostly democratic, with the exception of a few counties.

So im not speaking directly about the definition, more so about the relation to the people who are democrats.

Well ok, but what I quoted is roughly equivalent to saying you can't have gay marriage due to exceptionalists, which doesn't make much sense.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: SixThumbs on January 16, 2014, 09:04:21 pm
"In a statement, former FCC Commissioner Michael Copps said the decision 'is poised to end the free, open, and uncensored Internet that we have come to rely on.' He added: 'Without prompt corrective action to reclassify broadband, this awful ruling will serve as a sorry memorial to the corporate abrogation of free speech.'"

We basically have a choice between AT&T, Verizon, and Comcast depending on the area you live in and they're all shit and there's a good chance your connection gets throttled at certain points of the day for seemingly no reason.

On a side not I drove by a construction on the side of the road with a sign before hand that  read "utility work" and they were fiddling around with the power, phone, cable lines, etc.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Kafein on January 16, 2014, 09:23:57 pm
I've read that had the ruling gone the other way, the FCC would basically have unlimited power to "regulate" the internet though.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: SixThumbs on January 16, 2014, 09:39:16 pm
I'm sure that doesn't really matter when some members of the FCC have worked in the private sectors in positions in these telecommunication companies.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Tovi on January 17, 2014, 11:01:16 am
Americans, you should learn your history :

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6rclo_1932-le-systeme-americain-contre-l_news?start=5965

And fight your own empire.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Dooz on January 17, 2014, 12:31:11 pm
Americans, you should learn your history :

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6rclo_1932-le-systeme-americain-contre-l_news?start=5965

And fight your own empire.

we have reality tv and xanex. sorry world.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: sF_Guardian on January 17, 2014, 02:14:18 pm
Wonder how much time it will take till we have that shitlaw here in Germany.
You know, our gouvernement sometimes presents itself as the servant of the US...
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Leshma on January 17, 2014, 02:17:58 pm
What is the meaning of freedom in USA? Protection of rights and freedom for common townsfolk or freedom for those who make money (companies)?
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: kinngrimm on January 17, 2014, 02:54:49 pm
What is the meaning of freedom in USA? Protection of rights and freedom for common townsfolk or freedom for those who make money (companies)?
thats the (b)million dollar question ...
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: SixThumbs on January 17, 2014, 05:17:23 pm
What is the meaning of freedom in USA? Protection of rights and freedom for common townsfolk or freedom for those who make money (companies)?

Freedom to chose between Coke or Pepsi, Mcdonalds or Burger King, Wal-mart or Target, Democrat or Republican.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: AntiBlitz on January 17, 2014, 05:39:20 pm
Freedom to chose between Coke or Pepsi, Mcdonalds or Burger King, Wal-mart or Target, Democrat or Republican.
YES! I LOVE IT!

COKE, MC' DEES, WALLY WORLD, REPUBLICAN.

Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on January 17, 2014, 05:46:21 pm
Coke, BK, Target, Democrat (although Republican are pretty much the same in practice)
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Kafein on January 17, 2014, 06:37:52 pm
Out of the more than 200 million eligible presidency candidates, you think there are only two you can vote for. That's where ends your freedom, stupid first-past-the-post americans.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: SixThumbs on January 17, 2014, 06:59:17 pm
Wait, wasn't it you that posted a long while ago a video explaining why multiple parties ends in a two-party system anyway? I think we came to the conclusion that a lottery for the presidency would be best.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: StormFaction on January 19, 2014, 01:56:57 am
USA sucks now.

Canada here I come!
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Kalam on January 19, 2014, 02:23:23 am
So what's the alternative? I'm sure that's what a lot of us are thinking now; this system doesn't work well for us any more, so do we replace it or improve it? How would we do either? Do we aim for a technocracy?

We can all look aghast and declare it dysfunctional, so why aren't we proposing solutions? If someone did bring forth great solutions, would we even listen to them?

How do we deal with this? It's all so very frustrating, and it's tempting to escape into a world where you can plunk away at someone with a pixelated crossbow before they reach you with their measly melee weapons.

Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Tovi on January 19, 2014, 09:59:45 am
Solutions ?
Bring Freedom back
Respect people and nature
Stop spying everybody
Stop lying about war on terror, war on drugs etc
Tax the richs , help the poors
You don't need to change the system, just apply Democracy

Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: GRANDMOM on January 19, 2014, 11:45:08 am
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Kafein on January 19, 2014, 12:00:38 pm
Wait, wasn't it you that posted a long while ago a video explaining why multiple parties ends in a two-party system anyway? I think we came to the conclusion that a lottery for the presidency would be best.

In simple majority rule systems (like the american presidency), the trend is to drift towards a two-party system where the two parties have roughly the same political line, assuming every voter will vote for the one of the two big parties which is closer to their own opinion, and never consider third party alternatives. This is exactly why such a system is dysfunctional. Too many people try to "vote tactically" by avoiding independent parties that better reflect their opinions for the profit of one of the big two, on the basis that independent parties "will never win". This is the big, critical flaw of majority rule voting. Of course, if you don't do it the other big party might come into power and you would hate it even more than if the good big party came into power, but essentially you hate both.

So here is my advice for you disgruntled americans : a vote of the Democrats or for the Republicans is a wasted vote. You think that vote will prevent the lizardman from the other party to become president, but if you win, you will end up with a lizardman as president anyway, and you will hate it. In an election, you don't "win" if the party you voted for wins. You only win if the policies are to your liking. A vote for the losers has much more power than a vote for the winners, because it conveys information. It says that you are not happy with whatever the winners are doing. You have to understand that there is much more to your vote than just deciding who happens to become president. You don't care who the president is, but you care about what he does, and there's no better way to change that than to make his majority as small as possible, and the party that actually reflects your own opinions as powerful as possible.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: _schizo321437 on January 19, 2014, 01:11:38 pm
So what's the alternative? I'm sure that's what a lot of us are thinking now; this system doesn't work well for us any more, so do we replace it or improve it? How would we do either? Do we aim for a technocracy?

We can all look aghast and declare it dysfunctional, so why aren't we proposing solutions? If someone did bring forth great solutions, would we even listen to them?

How do we deal with this? It's all so very frustrating, and it's tempting to escape into a world where you can plunk away at someone with a pixelated crossbow before they reach you with their measly melee weapons.

/prophecy
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Swaggart on January 19, 2014, 02:10:12 pm
USA sucks now.

Canada here I come!

Yeah come to canada so you can overpay for your internet and cell phone service. Think that these expensive services come with excellent customer service? Nope. They don't even have the common curtesy to tell you it's raining when they spit in your face.

You should've seen the shitstorm these companies started when Verizon was thinking of coming to Canada. Talk about mass hysteria.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Kalam on January 19, 2014, 05:27:56 pm
Solutions ?
Bring Freedom back
Respect people and nature
Stop spying everybody
Stop lying about war on terror, war on drugs etc
Tax the richs , help the poors
You don't need to change the system, just apply Democracy

Ours is not a direct democracy, even though it's often marketed as one. A look at the philosophies and opinions of most of the founding fathers lets you know pretty quick that they were terrified of 'mob rule'. They also had a healthy fear of tyrants, though, which is why we have our checks and balances. That's great. What's not great is the electoral college, the voting system, the way districts are set up, the way judges are chosen, etc.

Those are problems within the system. Can't apply democracy without means.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: [ptx] on January 19, 2014, 05:29:01 pm
An interesting read - Demarchy. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demarchy)
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: Crazyi on January 19, 2014, 06:51:37 pm
Stupid ruling. The court wanted to take a more neutral position in it which is lame, and they do not label the ISP's as carriers for whatever reason I'm not sure. Since they are not labeled as carriers, the court didn't see fit to impose the neutrality. From what I understand this is will basically make streaming things more expensive.
Title: Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
Post by: _schizo321437 on January 20, 2014, 02:07:36 pm