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Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2014, 06:37:52 pm »
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Out of the more than 200 million eligible presidency candidates, you think there are only two you can vote for. That's where ends your freedom, stupid first-past-the-post americans.

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Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2014, 06:59:17 pm »
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Wait, wasn't it you that posted a long while ago a video explaining why multiple parties ends in a two-party system anyway? I think we came to the conclusion that a lottery for the presidency would be best.
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Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
« Reply #47 on: January 19, 2014, 01:56:57 am »
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Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
« Reply #48 on: January 19, 2014, 02:23:23 am »
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So what's the alternative? I'm sure that's what a lot of us are thinking now; this system doesn't work well for us any more, so do we replace it or improve it? How would we do either? Do we aim for a technocracy?

We can all look aghast and declare it dysfunctional, so why aren't we proposing solutions? If someone did bring forth great solutions, would we even listen to them?

How do we deal with this? It's all so very frustrating, and it's tempting to escape into a world where you can plunk away at someone with a pixelated crossbow before they reach you with their measly melee weapons.


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Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
« Reply #49 on: January 19, 2014, 09:59:45 am »
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Solutions ?
Bring Freedom back
Respect people and nature
Stop spying everybody
Stop lying about war on terror, war on drugs etc
Tax the richs , help the poors
You don't need to change the system, just apply Democracy

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Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
« Reply #50 on: January 19, 2014, 11:45:08 am »
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Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
« Reply #51 on: January 19, 2014, 12:00:38 pm »
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Wait, wasn't it you that posted a long while ago a video explaining why multiple parties ends in a two-party system anyway? I think we came to the conclusion that a lottery for the presidency would be best.

In simple majority rule systems (like the american presidency), the trend is to drift towards a two-party system where the two parties have roughly the same political line, assuming every voter will vote for the one of the two big parties which is closer to their own opinion, and never consider third party alternatives. This is exactly why such a system is dysfunctional. Too many people try to "vote tactically" by avoiding independent parties that better reflect their opinions for the profit of one of the big two, on the basis that independent parties "will never win". This is the big, critical flaw of majority rule voting. Of course, if you don't do it the other big party might come into power and you would hate it even more than if the good big party came into power, but essentially you hate both.

So here is my advice for you disgruntled americans : a vote of the Democrats or for the Republicans is a wasted vote. You think that vote will prevent the lizardman from the other party to become president, but if you win, you will end up with a lizardman as president anyway, and you will hate it. In an election, you don't "win" if the party you voted for wins. You only win if the policies are to your liking. A vote for the losers has much more power than a vote for the winners, because it conveys information. It says that you are not happy with whatever the winners are doing. You have to understand that there is much more to your vote than just deciding who happens to become president. You don't care who the president is, but you care about what he does, and there's no better way to change that than to make his majority as small as possible, and the party that actually reflects your own opinions as powerful as possible.

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Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
« Reply #52 on: January 19, 2014, 01:11:38 pm »
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So what's the alternative? I'm sure that's what a lot of us are thinking now; this system doesn't work well for us any more, so do we replace it or improve it? How would we do either? Do we aim for a technocracy?

We can all look aghast and declare it dysfunctional, so why aren't we proposing solutions? If someone did bring forth great solutions, would we even listen to them?

How do we deal with this? It's all so very frustrating, and it's tempting to escape into a world where you can plunk away at someone with a pixelated crossbow before they reach you with their measly melee weapons.

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Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
« Reply #53 on: January 19, 2014, 02:10:12 pm »
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USA sucks now.

Canada here I come!

Yeah come to canada so you can overpay for your internet and cell phone service. Think that these expensive services come with excellent customer service? Nope. They don't even have the common curtesy to tell you it's raining when they spit in your face.

You should've seen the shitstorm these companies started when Verizon was thinking of coming to Canada. Talk about mass hysteria.

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Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
« Reply #54 on: January 19, 2014, 05:27:56 pm »
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Solutions ?
Bring Freedom back
Respect people and nature
Stop spying everybody
Stop lying about war on terror, war on drugs etc
Tax the richs , help the poors
You don't need to change the system, just apply Democracy

Ours is not a direct democracy, even though it's often marketed as one. A look at the philosophies and opinions of most of the founding fathers lets you know pretty quick that they were terrified of 'mob rule'. They also had a healthy fear of tyrants, though, which is why we have our checks and balances. That's great. What's not great is the electoral college, the voting system, the way districts are set up, the way judges are chosen, etc.

Those are problems within the system. Can't apply democracy without means.

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Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
« Reply #55 on: January 19, 2014, 05:29:01 pm »
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An interesting read - Demarchy.

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Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
« Reply #56 on: January 19, 2014, 06:51:37 pm »
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Stupid ruling. The court wanted to take a more neutral position in it which is lame, and they do not label the ISP's as carriers for whatever reason I'm not sure. Since they are not labeled as carriers, the court didn't see fit to impose the neutrality. From what I understand this is will basically make streaming things more expensive.

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Re: USA court strikes down net neutrality
« Reply #57 on: January 20, 2014, 02:07:36 pm »
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