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cRPG => Suggestions Corner => Topic started by: Panos_ on January 04, 2014, 11:17:47 pm

Title: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Panos_ on January 04, 2014, 11:17:47 pm
I`ve suggested it in the past aswell, but Tydeus wasnt in the balance team, so I might suggest it again.
Keep in mind that the stats are purely my suggestions and I will try to explain why these stats




1.Brown Leather Armour
weight: 7.5
body armor: 33
leg armor: 6
difficulty: 8

I chose these stats, because its something between the Heavy Aketon (30 BA & 10 LA) and Mail Fur (36 BA & 3 LA), as you can see its in total balance, +3 BD and -4 LA from Aketon BUT -3 BA and +4 LA from Mail Fur.

Picture of the armour :
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2. Light Leather Armour
weight: 4.9
body armor: 26
leg armor: 7
difficulty: 7


Picture of the armour :
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3.Padded Leather Over Mail
weight: 11
body armor: 40
leg armor: 3
difficulty: 9
40 BA will set this armour to be better than the Aketon Brigandines, don`t forget that Padded Leather > Aketon, on the other hand the armour will be heavier than the brigandines with a lot less leg armour.

Picture of the armor :
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4.Saracen Mail
weight: 10.3
body armor: 37
leg armor: 10
difficulty: 9
Exact same stats with the Mail Haubers.

Picture of the armour :
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5.Saracen mail and Plate
weight: 15
body armor: 45
leg armor: 10
difficulty: 12
This stats will set the armour inbetween the Sarranid Guard armour and Brigandines over mail, -1 less armour from the Sarranid but +4 leg armouyr and +.5 kgr, and -1 BA and -2 LA but -.5 kgr from the brigandines over mail. Also we lack some Saracen armours.

Picture of the armour :
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The OSP has a lot more armours, but IMO these 5 are the the best ones, anyhow this is the original thread : http://www.mbrepository.com/file.php?id=2834

And here are all the screenshots of the OSP : http://s1129.photobucket.com/user/pino1969/media/mb17-1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Jarold on January 04, 2014, 11:19:24 pm
I still don't understand why certain armors aren't added. I mean look at that Saracen Mail, add it!
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Prpavi on January 04, 2014, 11:58:08 pm
Agreed Saracen mail is awesome
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Tydeus on January 05, 2014, 12:22:14 am
I've been an item balancer for over a year now, actually. We've talked about your threads multiple times. Generally they don't get added for well, lots of varying reasons. There are some items that if they were proposed by themselves, would have a much higher chance of getting in. Large proposals are much less likely to get in and at the moment we don't have an Item Manager(the position that's supposed to handle this stuff). To be honest, new armors just aren't something that keeps me interested and playing this mod. I said I'd try to get Zagibu's in, but that's because he's part of this community, anything else is really hard for me to devote time to.  :(

Edit: Personally, I like these armors. If we had an Item Manager I'd vote to pass these, but we don't. (Hint: Bug chadz A LOT)
 
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Panos_ on January 05, 2014, 12:57:14 am
Good enough for me, I have found some interesting OSP`s that I`m gonna post here in the suggestion corner individually hoping that one day an item manager will get recruited  :wink:
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: 722_ on January 05, 2014, 01:37:21 am
This one is a current WIP panos incase you have not seen it
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http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,219137.0.html
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Lemon on January 05, 2014, 01:40:24 am
add
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Post by: Panos_ on January 06, 2014, 11:41:58 am
Bump
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: zagibu on January 06, 2014, 10:50:14 pm
I'll install the pack and take a look at them. Will let you know if I propose some for the voting team.
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: zagibu on January 13, 2014, 03:09:23 pm
Alright, I have looked through them, and some are very nice indeed. However, there is a problem with the normal maps. They don't activate the specular maps, probably because they weren't correctly made. This means metal parts aren't shiny for almost all of his armors, which looks very bad. I'll try to recreate the normal maps, but can't promise that it will work.
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: zagibu on January 13, 2014, 04:54:18 pm
I was able to create a new normalmap that works together with the original specular map:

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I also added ten of his most interesting armors to the cRPGViewer. You can see that the normal maps work there, but ingame, they don't. You can also see that the textures themselves have a few problems, for example, there are strange shadows on most of them, best visible on the backside. And the transition from torso to arms is also not very well done on some of them.

I will continue working a bit on them, maybe I can salvage one or two more. The one with discs is a pretty interesting design, and the banded leather armor isn't bad either. The "Macle Shirt" (whatever that's supposed to mean) could also be worth salvaging, since it's basically a light scale armor in a design we don't have yet.
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: musketer on January 13, 2014, 06:13:13 pm
Tested them in CRPG Viewer and omg! they really worth to be added!
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: zagibu on January 13, 2014, 08:30:24 pm
I think the macle shirt should looks okay, now, too. Gimp has a handy tool to make those baked in shadows less prominent.

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Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: zagibu on January 14, 2014, 10:04:02 pm
I have worked on the disc shirt and think I was able to improve it quite a bit:

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Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: zagibu on January 15, 2014, 07:50:18 pm
I was able to improve the banded leather with a new normal and specular map:

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Tomorrow, I will take a look at the padded leather, then I will suggest those four or five I prepared to the council.
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: zagibu on January 16, 2014, 09:22:52 pm
Did my best for the Padded Leather:

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I suggested these five armors to the council, let's see how they decide.
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Sagar on January 16, 2014, 10:04:28 pm
You did a very good job.
Can you also suggest two hooded helmets to council (they are in cRPG files) or add them in cRPGViewer?
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Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: zagibu on January 16, 2014, 11:10:57 pm
The hooded helmets had already been ruled out before my time.
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Tzar on January 16, 2014, 11:15:47 pm
Time to rule them back in :!:  :lol:
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Tydeus on January 17, 2014, 06:22:26 am
Quote from: Tzar on January 16, 2014, 11:15:47 pm
Time to rule them back in :!: :lol:
Nah, they passed the vote previous, but were vetoed by overlords. Same happened with the crown helmet :D
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: BlueKnight on January 17, 2014, 06:51:27 am
Quote from: Tydeus on January 17, 2014, 06:22:26 am
Nah, they passed the vote previous, but were vetoed by overlords. Same happened with the crown helmet :D
Good thing that bride dress and all the other merchant/noble/lady clothes were added before overlords got boring.
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Sagar on January 17, 2014, 09:45:08 am
Too bad. It was the only hope to have hood with good head armor.
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Tovi on January 17, 2014, 11:03:59 am
You should implement stuff that people likes, before cRPG die itself.
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: MountedRhader on January 18, 2014, 08:19:38 pm
Eve if Zagibu did a decent job of fixin them up, I am still underwhelmed by the armor, Panos.


They don't appear to change much or stand out from other armors to be added as distinct armor.


And let it be said that I stand with the cRPG community in our desire for more items.
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Dionysus on January 18, 2014, 11:20:52 pm
I feel like this OSP offers a wide variety of light and medium armors which will match many of the armors already in the mod, and if given the proper stats, will offer an interesting alternative to the heraldic armors.
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: musketer on January 19, 2014, 04:55:24 pm
Quote from: Dionysus on January 18, 2014, 11:20:52 pm
I feel like this OSP offers a wide variety of light and medium armors which will match many of the armors already in the mod, and if given the proper stats, will offer an interesting alternative to the heraldic armors.

Yeh but they decided to give more importance to lederhosen, wich is a very important OSP, more than anything else out there, more than even all these light-medium armors.
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Panos_ on February 24, 2014, 11:06:07 pm
γγαφαφδςαφςα
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Panos_ on March 06, 2014, 12:09:08 pm
Quote from: Panos_the_Bear on February 24, 2014, 11:06:07 pm
γγαφαφδςαφςα

Oh Panos, your wisdom can easily compete the wisdom that Socrates had  :lol:
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Panos_ on April 05, 2014, 07:54:38 am
awdadawda
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Panos_ on April 06, 2014, 11:16:44 am
Quote from: musketer on January 13, 2014, 06:13:13 pm
Tested them in CRPG Viewer and omg! they really worth to be added!
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Panos_ on April 16, 2014, 06:51:46 pm
Quote from: Panos_the_Bear on April 06, 2014, 11:16:44 am

Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Panos_ on April 25, 2014, 10:38:35 pm
rearw
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Panos_ on May 02, 2014, 05:21:37 pm
D
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Panos_ on June 04, 2014, 07:14:33 am
 :shock:
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Afina on June 05, 2014, 05:48:40 am
Quote from: Panos_the_Bear on January 04, 2014, 11:17:47 pm

1.Brown Leather Armour
weight: 7.5
body armor: 33
leg armor: 6
difficulty: 8

I chose these stats, because its something between the Heavy Aketon (30 BA & 10 LA) and Mail Fur (36 BA & 3 LA), as you can see its in total balance, +3 BD and -4 LA from Aketon BUT -3 BA and +4 LA from Mail Fur.

Picture of the armour :
(click to show/hide)



2. Light Leather Armour
weight: 4.9
body armor: 26
leg armor: 7
difficulty: 7


Picture of the armour :
(click to show/hide)




3.Padded Leather Over Mail
weight: 11
body armor: 40
leg armor: 3
difficulty: 9
40 BA will set this armour to be better than the Aketon Brigandines, don`t forget that Padded Leather > Aketon, on the other hand the armour will be heavier than the brigandines with a lot less leg armour.

Picture of the armor :
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THIS ARMOR FROM NORDINVASION  :D
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Afina on June 05, 2014, 07:01:04 am
make this :)
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Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Tovi on June 05, 2014, 07:10:48 am
Quote from: Afina on June 05, 2014, 07:01:04 am
make this :)
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Mostly no.
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Afina on June 05, 2014, 07:13:26 am
Quote from: Tovi on June 05, 2014, 07:10:48 am
Mostly no.
why not?
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Tovi on June 05, 2014, 08:30:20 pm
These armors already exist, and horns are too fantasy. We don't play Game of Throne or whatever it looks like.
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Afina on June 06, 2014, 06:12:53 am
Quote from: Tovi on June 05, 2014, 08:30:20 pm
These armors already exist, and horns are too fantasy. We don't play Game of Throne or whatever it looks like.
fantasy?
then delete this shit from mod
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if you think that the helmet with horns fantasy then why the hell he was recently added to the same shit is not who do not use.
that the braid armor then yes some of them have already, but there is no such colors
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Tydeus on June 06, 2014, 01:49:20 pm
Quote from: Afina on June 06, 2014, 06:12:53 am
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We don't delete, we only replace. Also, I'm fairly certain none of those are fantasy, they just likely weren't used in actual battle (Actually, iirc there are a few documents I've seen where cavalry were using horned helmets).
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Afina on June 06, 2014, 01:53:20 pm
Quote from: Tovi on June 05, 2014, 08:30:20 pm
These armors already exist, and horns are too fantasy. We don't play Game of Throne or whatever it looks like.
he said this fantazy
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Tovi on June 07, 2014, 12:58:08 pm
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This is Teutonic Order helmet.

Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Afina on June 07, 2014, 06:02:45 pm
Quote from: Tovi on June 07, 2014, 12:58:08 pm
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This is Teutonic Order helmet.
this is shit
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Tovi on June 07, 2014, 08:48:00 pm
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Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Afina on June 07, 2014, 09:13:05 pm
not one of the hats on my picture does not look like a fantasy
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Tovi on June 08, 2014, 04:22:15 pm
So, give historical references.
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Panos_ on June 16, 2014, 01:13:12 pm
 :shock:
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Panos_ on June 30, 2014, 08:26:46 pm
adaaadadwa
Title: Re: Pino`s armours OSP
Post by: Panos_ on August 11, 2014, 02:47:02 pm
Tydouche told me to gather the best of the best items of all the OSP`s I have posted, put them in a rar and send it to him.

But he forgot that I`m a Greek, thus to lazy to do that.