Think many in the EU are sticking with balance builds.Thats the impression i got aswell. Str is still viable, just not the most ridicolous builds, like 30-3(example).
Your wrong. Strenght still dominates strat, when it comes to melee classes. You dont need to be a 36-3 build to carry a maul, a balanced build can hit the requirements aswell.(click to show/hide)
Your wrong. Strenght still dominates strat, when it comes to melee classes. You dont need to be a 36-3 build to carry a maul, a balanced build can hit the requirements aswell.
Builds like 36-3 is not great anymore, true. But that was kinda the idea behind the patch aswell. Look at it from another perspective, would an agi build with crazy amounts like 3-36 work? Not rly.
Block down, rondel my old friend neutralizedit sucks when they hit "x" and they fuck you over while youre too surprised that they're side attacking.
Didn't say they weren't killable lol, just that they 'work' and are common, in response to someone saying 'you wouldnt see 3-36 around' or something. And they sure do succeed at getting kills(click to show/hide)
Invinci-shield rondel my old friends, they 'work' (that's down to your definition of 'working' though).Rondel my old friends.... well they are just.... i dont even know. They are pretty damn different from the rest of the game though.
So I'll start with stating that I did not yet get a chance to play or even set my new stats because of internet problems. But since the new patch came out, I'm afraid that once I do I will be immensely disappointed.
I have always played my 15/24 build (that recently became pole/shielder hybrid) and with the right weapon choice (and I also want to claim some skill on my side), I have always been quite effective.
I was 'that' agiwhore and I loved it. My build was perfect for having fun and trolling around by spamming people or totally surprising them by using the most annoying tricks and abusive tactics. I was faster than most people and had a specific role in the community directly related to that speed.
Now, from what I have heard and what I fear is that I won't be alone anymore. I will no longer have fun because of my fast build because everyone else about as fast. The community maybe lost another OP class, but with it we lost a class that was very fun to fight and now the choice of valid builds just got smaller.
If I finally manage to play and find that my fears have become reality I will strongly consider asking for an actual redo of the str nerf. For now I'll have to take enough wih the opiniob of others
I still want to see more relation between weapon length and athletics. Realistic? dunno, but needed from my perspective at least to balance the 2h/pole spam.
No my shield shall not brake ... must have 11 shieldskill again
swordhits perhaps, but ranged hybrids with morningstar ^^ not su much or the great axe/bardich backpedal spammers ... You guys just became too good at manual blocking ... sooner or later my shield will brake then anyways, now sooner. Also since i came back aabout a motnh ago, i witnessed that there are much more high level players so i am now preffering the elit cav shield over the huscarl so i wont get constantly spammed to death and get my shield up in time ... overall i am doing alright i guess, but well there are pretty much the same things still going on i was complaining about 9 months back and that is a bit disturbing to witnes with so much time inbetween. If this patch(what still needs to be seen) really would reduce overall ranged count of players i would give a feast and get drunk.(click to show/hide)
least to balance the 2h/pole spam.
Block down, rondel my old friend neutralized
kinn please...spam? you backpedal faster than most people run, have almost unbreakable shield, deal crazy damage for 4ps with speed bonus and you talking bout spam...believe it or not, i can see things out of a prespective of "normal" lvl 30 shielder. And even if only complettly subjectively, then i know exactly how the increases of classes or speed of several weapons feels, how it effects me. So biased sure, wrong not one bit, so spare me the speech about objectivity i am sick of this narrow minded statement anyhow, every last fuck here is subjectiv in his views, even if you try to be objective, that is after all an ideal not a stance. As also, it is not like i am not aware of my build, nor you of mine, why bring it up at all?
believe it or not, i can see things out of a prespective of "normal" lvl 30 shielder. And even if only complettly subjectively, then i know exactly how the increases of classes or speed of several weapons feels, how it effects me. So biased sure, wrong not one bit, so spare me the speech about objectivity i am sick of this narrow minded statement anyhow, every last fuck here is subjectiv in his views, even if you try to be objective, that is after all an ideal not a stance. As also, it is not like i am not aware of my build, nor you of mine, why bring it up at all?
A 'but' neglects pretty much everything in front of it. I guess you are right, but not sorry ^^.
Sorry but having 200wpf in 1h and talking about excessive 2h spam is kinda silly.
A 'but' neglects pretty much everything in front of it. I guess you are right, but not sorry ^^.
no u!love you no matter what anyhow. Peace?
love you no matter what anyhow. Peace?
I cant really believe it but this patch was actually pretty nice for me. I took the opportunity to go agi archer/1h and for the first time since the quiver weight nerf I am able to use footwork without having to drop my bow every 3 seconds when something looks/aims at me and also have enough wpf to hybritize properly. Now I may need even more arrows to kill anything due to less PD but at least people cant backpeddal faster than I walk forward anymore :lol:
Hell, I even ditched my bow on EU2 yesterday for like 4 maps to fully enjoy my new gained mobility and have to say, most fun I had in months with this game. But well, archery being enjoyable, that can only mean that the next nerf is nearby :mrgreen:
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Is it just me or is it yet another buff for the agi whores? My main was the ultimate Str whore (36/3) and it definitely wasnt as OP as some of you cry here, one of the reasons for sticking to this build was the increased number of shielders since the last two (or three) patches and the only countermeasure to deal with them quickly was the maul build, this build is pretty much useless against any other class unless you know how to block, so I cant possibly understand anyone crying about 2h str whore nabs who cant block - either youre a shielder or a balanced 2h, if youre a shielder you should not even dare to cry about anybody lacking the skill of blocking well, if youre 2h balanced build and the str whore cant block (and you can) then you pretty much lead the fight as in most of the cases my only chance was to chamber/hit the faster builds. I am not crying about the new patch, just dont see the point for such a change, it only eliminates str builds for the cost of making agi whores universal in strat, basically we are left with shielders, balanced/agi whores 2hs and ranged now and we have no anticlass for shielders?? correct me if Im wrong please
My only problem is the increased accuracy of ranged (specifically archers/crossbows. I've yet to meet many throwers). Getting 2shot by an archer has never been fun. Now it really sucks when they simply don't miss a single shot.
I also feel like this was a HUGE buff to crossbows. Since crossbows require no skill points be invested in anything other than WM, it was a massive help for them. And we all know crossbows weren't at all OP beforehand... :rolleyes:
believe it or not, i can see things out of a prespective of "normal" lvl 30 shielder. And even if only complettly subjectively, then i know exactly how the increases of classes or speed of several weapons feels, how it effects me. So biased sure, wrong not one bit, so spare me the speech about objectivity i am sick of this narrow minded statement anyhow, every last fuck here is subjectiv in his views, even if you try to be objective, that is after all an ideal not a stance. As also, it is not like i am not aware of my build, nor you of mine, why bring it up at all?newspeak
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you are last person that should complain about spam
How I see it, all these nerfs are because of strategus being less responsive than it should be. That's why all you can see in strat are bunch of (awl)pikes, shielders with fast, tiny and damaging weapons and of course STR great maul, morningstar, barmace spammers. If people could block like they are used to, there would be no need to nerf any of those weapons or builds. If...
The "spam" from "agiwhores" has always come from high athletics and footwork, and turning into swings properly.
It can be achieved with any weapon and any build if the players knows what he is doing, just watch some of our best polearm users, or greatsword duellists.
This patch has merely switched the general population from going highstr in general, to going balanced or high agi more often.
Shielders are bit more annoying but only in strategus, because it's unresponsive for me and feels like playing with 100 ping. It's much harder to block steel picks in strat than on official servers. I guess that's the reason why Druzhina are so successful in Strategus, most players are on their level (they are from Russia or former Soviet block which means higher ping than players from western Europe) because game mode lags for most people. If Strat was more like Battle, both perfomance and ping wise, I doubt we would be seeing so much spam.For me, it's not only in Strategus. Since a couple of months ago, my ping went down quite a lot - it used to be 80-100 and now it's around 70 - but it still feels laggy when it comes to blocking. I have a hard time blocking agiwhores with fast weapons like 1h.
How I see it, all these nerfs are because of strategus being less responsive than it should be. That's why all you can see in strat are bunch of (awl)pikes, shielders with fast, tiny and damaging weapons and of course STR great maul, morningstar, barmace spammers. If people could block like they are used to, there would be no need to nerf any of those weapons or builds. If...
I'm not seeing this, the wpf points are pretty much the same... I think the change is only felt by full STR builds and classes that dont split their wpf between ranged and melee.
I heard rumors that xbow proficiency had an accuracy cap at ~165... not sure if this is true, but if so, that means you get a ton more wpf to invest in your sidearm, usually a 1hander.