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Title: Nasty business
Post by: Flans on November 10, 2013, 04:38:45 pm
Due to the incessant skulking in the shadows that Kinngrimm is actively pursuing, The Wolfpack Mercenaries are no longer associated or to be associated with the Wolves of Fenris.


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Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Abay on November 10, 2013, 05:07:32 pm
I really want to know what happened today! Details please..

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Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: MURDERTRON on November 10, 2013, 05:14:05 pm
I have no idea what either of these factions are.  Tell me how I should feel about this.
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Abay on November 10, 2013, 05:21:52 pm
Quote from: MURDERTRON on November 10, 2013, 05:14:05 pm
I have no idea what either of these factions are.  Tell me how I should feel about this.
Feel sad for innocent people of Calradia  :|
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on November 10, 2013, 05:24:19 pm
Quote from: Flans on November 10, 2013, 04:38:45 pm
Due to the incessant skulking in the shadows that Kinngrimm is actively pursuing, The Wolfpack Mercenaries are no longer associated or to be associated with the Wolves of Fenris.


This is mainly here for reference and to tell and show everyone whatsup. Unlike yourself old man.

Sorry but you really need to learn some respect, you're 16 years old, grow up ffs.
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Flans on November 10, 2013, 05:26:52 pm
I did. until what happened today, stop running your mouth off without knowing anything.
If you think age is a full proper reason for respect on its own you are sadly deluded.
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Latvian on November 10, 2013, 05:34:25 pm
Quote from: Flans on November 10, 2013, 05:26:52 pm
I did. until what happened today, stop running your mouth off without knowing anything.
If you think age is a full proper reason for respect on its own you are sadly deluded.
than enlighten everyone  :wink:
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Osiris on November 10, 2013, 05:47:25 pm
i think its more a kinngrimm is bad evil etc but were not allowed to know why im just telling everyone here!
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: BASNAK on November 10, 2013, 05:54:54 pm
Think what happened was that some Wolves member join Fenris instead and took fiefs with him.
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Osiris on November 10, 2013, 05:59:27 pm
but fenris_kinngrimm is still wolves strat faction O.o
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: MURDERTRON on November 10, 2013, 06:18:14 pm
Two wolf factions about to have a cat fight!
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: kinngrimm on November 10, 2013, 09:59:13 pm
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So you want to wash the dirty laundry out in the open alright then.

Instead of coming not once to my teamspeak, speaking to me in person, nore answering on several other pms i send the last weeks, after Grandmom asked me to give you advice (I guess that was all too parental, who wants to listen to the "old man"  :?),
you needed to create some drama here. Well i am about to deliver(community knows i am good for it  :twisted:).



The first message i got from you is today the following pm:
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Wolves_Odysseus_XI 10-11-2013 15:57:41 to Fenris_kinngrimm
Cease your disruptive behavior. You are bringing shame and dishonor to yourself and to this clan we both represent.

You have hereby been warned. I will not continue to indulge your shadow behavior any further.
btw, if it would be still upto me, after this action, you wouldnt represent jack shit anymore and you are doing me a favour distanciating your actions from those of me.

i replied with:
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Fenris_kinngrimm 10-11-2013 17:53:59 to Wolves_Odysseus_XI
explain
Next thing what happens was the attack, so there i got my explanation.

Now some informations, which Ody implies i wouldnt share as i am all acting out of the shadows.


Winterfell intended to trade, the goods he was moving, and wanted to move away with "his" shit
steam chat
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When i came back and asked for a few things:
A) old banner
B) Khudan with all nessary tasks included
C) being the diplomat(not even the leader of the Wolf Pact Mercenaries)
a) was categorily denied
b) i was told it would take longer ... and longer
c) i never got an answer and retracted, when i noticed that this was your job.

Pardon me, that my patience has limits, i did found the Wolf Pact Mercenary and handed them over into good hands, as it seems they did end up now in the hands of a fool.

While spending 10 days in Wolf Pact Mercenaries TS after when i i returned,
my patience ran out and instead of taking over i founded a new clan.

I had powerstruggles before in the Wolf Pact Mercenaries, if those who went into Fenris(18) instead would have stayed/joined Wolf Pact Mercenaries, what do you think the outcome of votings would have been, as there are still supporters of me inside of the Wolf Pact Mercenaries who wanted me back as leader. And strangely enough, when people get to know me, they sometimes even like me. You think to be the big boss man now, dude sry to crush your dreams here, but this is on you Flans, the way you choose to and not to interact with me. Instead of using me in those things i am good at, you choose to ignore me and try to put me on the bench.

If i would be still in the Wolves now, i would call for a vote to change leadership.

As it was explained to me , every important decision made within Wolves, calls for a member voting nowadays and anyone can call for such a vote.

So I ask the Wolves
- did your leader(s) ask you if it would be ok, kicking out nearly 1/3 of your Strategus supporters?
- did they ask you if it would be ok to attack those who build up the Wolf Pact Mercenaries in the first place? After all at least the second part is a casus belli, an act of war.

If the answers are no, you may wonder if your current leadership wouldn't be full of **it.

Winterfell mentioned:
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20:16 - Winterfell: then he was like how much he meaned to the clan
20:17 - Winterfell: cause he took 3  castles:)
20:17 - Winterfell: kinngrim was away for 8 months
Flans you get it all upside down, the clan can survive without you anytime as it did without me, but the otherway round you or me are nothing without those who follow us.
In my opinion, Leaders need to be humble by heart when it comes to their members.
Then again, you never needed to build up a clan from scratch, it was handed to you on a silver plattern.

Then again, there is more then 1 leader nowadays in Wolves, those also didn't try to contact me, so are you the pawn or are you the leader here Ody?

@Grandmom
I failed with this padawan. Then again we both knew it wasnt to be an easy path.

Quote from: BASNAK on November 10, 2013, 05:54:54 pm
Think what happened was that some Wolves member join Fenris instead and took fiefs with him.
We handed over Curaw, which we could have kept, we handed over Slezhk Castle which we could have kept, we don't need nore want SLezhk village. I already retracted of all claims in the snow lands for this strategus. The dispute was about stuff soem of Fenris lads have on themselves, which they have worked for(well they also did work for the other fiefs as also other factions like SoA Les Troi Lis ,their former fiefs are CFA fiefs not Wolf Pact Mercenary fiefs. The only 3 fiefs really claimed from the start by Wolves had been Tismir, Khudan and Shapeshke. When i left, Wolves had 7-8 fiefs, now they have 8 plus 3 contested villages in the stepp. Whe ni left Wolves had 40+ memebrs now 46 and of those 46 now roughly 10 recruits, with those Fenris and other supporters kicked or soon to leave on their, about 25 o 30 ish left. Odysseus alone is already holding 3 fiefs ^^ ...

still enjoying public drama Ody & Co, wait i got one more for you:

some ts chat
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So because someone didnt obey your order  :lol:
you attacked him, you loos troops and gear over it, you make yourself an enemy, because that is what you need in this kind of situation *shakeshead*

want some more drama Ody? you know you could have just talked to me ... well i guess you can take it. Afterall you are the hero who conquered 3 castles singlehandidly and people have to obey you ...

I am still open for talks, but now we will create our own Faction and wont join back into Wolves.
It would have happened anyways, but this way is as the heading says "Nasty business".
Also i would prefer to talk to Quis(Wolves_QuisUtDeus) from now on, when it comes to business between the clans. Quis at least was always relaxed enough not to make any hasty decisions.

EDIT: While other Fenris also kept some of their stuff like Guika a week ago, he and Legend gave 2 of the best defendable fiefs to Wolves with my knowledge and my goodwill behind that.
I got supported sofar when i came back, by Grey Order, those i had been at war with when i left 9 months back, they gave me a village, for free, of Balde gave me 500 troops and equip for nothing in return ... not once have you Ody or any other of the Wolves offered me anything after i returned, you were just fearfull to loose your job ^^. So i found a way that you can keep it, not getting back into the Wolves, still you are too fucking blind and childish to see a stroke of pure luck and goodwill if it would bite you in your face.
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Osiris on November 10, 2013, 10:21:22 pm
When i came back and asked for a few things:
A) old banner
B) Khudan with all nessary tasks included
C) being the diplomat(not even the leader of the Wolf Pact Mercenaries)
a) was categorily denied



did you actually expect a clan to give you a city and a main strat rank just because you came back? :D
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Ulmarth on November 10, 2013, 10:28:18 pm
Strat drama........meh this is kinns area i dont care.

As for the clan buisness, Fenris to me is basicly what Wolves were before it got watered down. Thats my opinion atleast all my friends (minus a few mates dotted around other clans) are in Fenris. I dont register the Wolve Pack anymore..........specialy since they dont have there own banner.

Anyways enjoy the drama :D

Kind Regards
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: kinngrimm on November 10, 2013, 10:33:03 pm
Quote from: Osiris on November 10, 2013, 10:21:22 pm
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did you actually expect a clan to give you a city and a main strat rank just because you came back? :D
Yes, and those who know me in action, know why that would have been a wise choice to accept.
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on November 10, 2013, 10:34:25 pm
Quote from: Osiris on November 10, 2013, 10:21:22 pm
When i came back and asked for a few things:
A) old banner
B) Khudan with all nessary tasks included
C) being the diplomat(not even the leader of the Wolf Pact Mercenaries)
a) was categorily denied



did you actually expect a clan to give you a city and a main strat rank just because you came back? :D
To be completely fair though it's impossible for anyone including wolves members to think "wolves" without thinking "Kinngrimm".
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Osiris on November 10, 2013, 10:45:30 pm
true but if you leave for god knows how long you cant expect the people who tried to pick up the pieces just to give it all over :D
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Flans on November 10, 2013, 11:02:04 pm
First off, I can't believe you're trying to wipe this off on me, this is a farce.

Let me explain to you and to everyone, the way I can do best in front of everybody.  This way nobody can say anything and you are forced to play your hand here, instead of speaking crap to allies and friends about one another.

You skip 40 mins of that chat? why? lets show everyone the whole thing eh?
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take a look at map b4 you forum vomit kinn, as it happens you're over at Vayejeg and I'm at Slezkh, there are in fact (or were at that time) armies that don't belong to our alliance or clan. Don't lie to people to make yourself seem like a nice person. That's a terrible trait.

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A) The banner was voted for and created by members of the "CFA" they wanted it, they asked for it, they voted for it, they got it.
it's a vote, there will always be a few or more who don't like it and lost the vote, that's how a democracy works in case you didn't know.
B) Khudan, You left clan b4 even getting to Khudan in the first place, I wanted you to come down to coalition land and join me in front line battle with me, next to me, you refused. saying you don't wanna be active in strat, what? ? ? ? LOL.
I ask for your steam to stay in close contact and to rebuild our friendship, You refuse, stating its not necessary ? ? ? what?
C) never refused, we were just discussing how to include that rank into the Wolves of today, you gave us no time, and you say im the one thats rushing to conclusions.

You mean Tuetensuppe right? I feel for him, You backstabbed his sorry ass back then too, difference here is that I have a lot more support in clan than he did, and I spent my time building friendships with the old CFA and the new.

None of the first members of Fenris were even helping the Wolves when the Mercs came knocking, do you know who saved us? minus the Grey order roster support after first few fights ofc,
It was Grandmom taking charge with unanimous decision, we wont see a leader as great as him here anymore.
and the Kapikulu, they saved us in a way you could never understand Kinn, since you still don't trust them now and have even gone as far as warning me about them now. NOW after all that they've done for us... you're sick...
just this alone would have been enough for me to never talk to you again.

If you had half an active brain cell left in your head, You'd have sucked it all up, and stayed. So that you'd have gotten one of these votes and be given leadership back by now, I have no problem with this, its enforced not by me, but by the will of everyone in our clan.

Leaders need to be humble by heart when it comes to their members.
Yea I know this, I said as much to Winterfell myself, didn't he show you ALL that we spoke about? or did he cut and paste it for you as you sent it below?

We handed over Curaw, which we could have kept, we handed over Slezhk Castle which we could have kept
what? was that your land to talk about it like this? those factions you speak of, either don't exist anymore or are inactive or have been absorbed by other clans.
wait what? you're gonna play strat now? didn't you repeatedly tell me you wasn't interested? maybe that's the reason why I gave you no major responsibilities?


Did I ask you or rather did you tell anyone before engaging in conflict with the Ottomans way back? did you tell the members anything?
You only gave orders and did everything yourself and look where that got you.
I ask for what belongs to The Wolves, not what belongs to you and yours, this doesn't even include the 3 mills Guika took with gear other day, he refuses. What would you have me do? ask you? talk to you about it? why should I? it is material that belongs to this clan, if one of your ppl gets unruly with my clans stuff, he is gonna get taken care of. If you look at the log i posted you'l see what I offered him to stay in good wills, then you will see his categorical refusal of any sort of deal.

I did I tried to initiate contact when you first came back, you dismissed me completely, in fact you were sending messages to ALL old wolves members minus me, also, you recruited out of this clan, something you said you would not do, want proof? talk to Diego.  Why even lie? that's just low.

You found a way for me to keep it eh? why not just speak up and ASK for what you wanted, you didn't even want to do that, You came in with demands and expected things to just roll over for you. I am not Tuetensuppe, I will not roll over for you, You are no longer wanted in this clan you disgraced yourself with your conduct, and your back stabbing way of behaving.

ah ah Haboe... how right you were. Well its not like I didn't know about it already, I just chose to believe that you were a nice person who wanted the best for us or atleast this clan.
You can forget about any claims in the Northlands in this strat or the next, You will never own any land up here if I can help it.

Why not ask Grand what I told him when you showed up here again, You will be surprised.
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You are traitorous scum.

I will close this here, You have said your piece and I have said mine, there will be no peace with you or yours any more from here on out, you have finally shown your true colours.

EDIT  >  >>  > eeh nvm I know u all wanna talk here... so lay it at me and him and w/e lets hear all your thoughts CRPGers.
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Umbra on November 10, 2013, 11:20:02 pm
I wish Kingrimm all the luck with fenris, every clan needs a good culling from time to time.
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: StonedSteel on November 10, 2013, 11:25:30 pm
Quote from: Flans on November 10, 2013, 11:02:04 pm
First off, I can't believe you're trying to wipe this off on me, this is a farce.

Let me explain to you and to everyone, the way I can do best in front of everybody.  This way nobody can say anything and you are forced to play your hand here, instead of speaking crap to allies and friends about one another.

You skip 40 mins of that chat? why? lets show everyone the whole thing eh?
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take a look at map b4 you forum vomit kinn, as it happens you're over at Vayejeg and I'm at Slezkh, there are in fact (or were at that time) armies that don't belong to our alliance or clan. Don't lie to people to make yourself seem like a nice person. That's a terrible trait.

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A) The banner was voted for and created by members of the "CFA" they wanted it, they asked for it, they voted for it, they got it.
it's a vote, there will always be a few or more who don't like it and lost the vote, that's how a democracy works in case you didn't know.
B) Khudan, You left clan b4 even getting to Khudan in the first place, I wanted you to come down to coalition land and join me in front line battle with me, next to me, you refused. saying you don't wanna be active in strat, what? ? ? ? LOL.
I ask for your steam to stay in close contact and to rebuild our friendship, You refuse, stating its not necessary ? ? ? what?
C) never refused, we were just discussing how to include that rank into the Wolves of today, you gave us no time, and you say im the one thats rushing to conclusions.

You mean Tuetensuppe right? I feel for him, You backstabbed his sorry ass back then too, difference here is that I have a lot more support in clan than he did, and I spent my time building friendships with the old CFA and the new.

None of the first members of Fenris were even helping the Wolves when the Mercs came knocking, do you know who saved us? minus the Grey order roster support after first few fights ofc,
It was Grandmom taking charge with unanimous decision, we wont see a leader as great as him here anymore.
and the Kapikulu, they saved us in a way you could never understand Kinn, since you still don't trust them now and have even gone as far as warning me about them now. NOW after all that they've done for us... you're sick...
just this alone would have been enough for me to never talk to you again.

If you had half an active brain cell left in your head, You'd have sucked it all up, and stayed. So that you'd have gotten one of these votes and be given leadership back by now, I have no problem with this, its enforced not by me, but by the will of everyone in our clan.

Leaders need to be humble by heart when it comes to their members.
Yea I know this, I said as much to Winterfell myself, didn't he show you ALL that we spoke about? or did he cut and paste it for you as you sent it below?

We handed over Curaw, which we could have kept, we handed over Slezhk Castle which we could have kept
what? was that your land to talk about it like this? those factions you speak of, either don't exist anymore or are inactive or have been absorbed by other clans.
wait what? you're gonna play strat now? didn't you repeatedly tell me you wasn't interested? maybe that's the reason why I gave you no major responsibilities?


Did I ask you or rather did you tell anyone before engaging in conflict with the Ottomans way back? did you tell the members anything?
You only gave orders and did everything yourself and look where that got you.
I ask for what belongs to The Wolves, not what belongs to you and yours, this doesn't even include the 3 mills Guika took with gear other day, he refuses. What would you have me do? ask you? talk to you about it? why should I? it is material that belongs to this clan, if one of your ppl gets unruly with my clans stuff, he is gonna get taken care of. If you look at the log i posted you'l see what I offered him to stay in good wills, then you will see his categorical refusal of any sort of deal.

I did I tried to initiate contact when you first came back, you dismissed me completely, in fact you were sending messages to ALL old wolves members minus me, also, you recruited out of this clan, something you said you would not do, want proof? talk to Diego.  Why even lie? that's just low.

You found a way for me to keep it eh? why not just speak up and ASK for what you wanted, you didn't even want to do that, You came in with demands and expected things to just roll over for you. I am not Tuetensuppe, I will not roll over for you, You are no longer wanted in this clan you disgraced yourself with your conduct, and your back stabbing way of behaving.

ah ah Haboe... how right you were. Well its not like I didn't know about it already, I just chose to believe that you were a nice person who wanted the best for us or atleast this clan.
You can forget about any claims in the Northlands in this strat or the next, You will never own any land up here if I can help it.

Why not ask Grand what I told him when you showed up here again, You will be surprised.
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You are traitorous scum.

I will close this here, You have said your piece and I have said mine, there will be no peace with you or yours any more from here on out, you have finally shown your true colours.

EDIT  >  >>  > eeh nvm I know u all wanna talk here... so lay it at me and him and w/e lets hear all your thoughts CRPGers.

Honestly...u maybe shouldnt have posted the discussion between you and winter...i dont know either of you.

But i read the whole conversation....came out liking winter a lot more...and stopped reading the thread

well played
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Torben on November 10, 2013, 11:37:39 pm
why do people post private chats?  it only proves the poster less then admirable.  but everyone always does it. 
gays,  gays everywhere.  -.-

piss diplomacy section,  I'll sue you if i ever get cancer.
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Strudog on November 10, 2013, 11:38:02 pm
This sums up the wolves
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Flans on November 10, 2013, 11:45:50 pm
Quote from: StonedSteel on November 10, 2013, 11:25:30 pm
Honestly...u maybe shouldnt have posted the discussion between you and winter...i dont know either of you.

But i read the whole conversation....came out liking winter a lot more...and stopped reading the thread

well played

While I thank you for your unbiased opinion, the only reason this thread is here as it is, is for me to have an open convo with the old man without him being able to say anything otherwise later, this is the only proven method that works when you deal with someone who prefers skulking in shadows to open dealing. He's known for this its nothing new.

I have no problem showing the truth as it is, If you avoid wronging people and especially your friends you never have anything to worry about in open convos like this

Fu strudog, atleast we're still on the strat map :P
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Ulmarth on November 10, 2013, 11:49:33 pm
Wow private convo :S all shit aside thats kinda bad man.

I guess this will boil on.

If i could id shake Winterfells hand, what a guy.

@Also the bit u think is about Teuten.......it isnt. It was waaaaaayyyyyy before ur time anyways.
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on November 10, 2013, 11:51:07 pm
Quote from: Flans on November 10, 2013, 05:26:52 pm
I did. until what happened today, stop running your mouth off without knowing anything.
If you think age is a full proper reason for respect on its own you are sadly deluded.

Now i know everything and i still say you need to learn some respect, how you treat people is disgusting. People are going to fall out with you if this is how you act.

I've dealt with you myself on steam and you can be an alright lad, but at times you speak to everyone like they are beneath you and that you know it all, that's the attitude you don't need.

BTW Good luck to you Kinngrimm.
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Strudog on November 10, 2013, 11:57:50 pm
Quote from: Flans on November 10, 2013, 11:45:50 pm

Fu strudog, atleast we're still on the strat map :P

I think you will find that we are also still on the strat map :P
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Flans on November 11, 2013, 12:01:37 am
Quote from: SirCymro_Crusader on November 10, 2013, 11:51:07 pm
Now i know everything and i still say you need to learn some respect, how you treat people is disgusting. People are going to fall out with you if this is how you act.

I've dealt with you myself on steam and you can be an alright lad, but at times you speak to everyone like they are beneath you and that you know it all, that's the attitude you don't need.

BTW Good luck to you Kinngrimm.


LolOLolOLolOLolOLolllOLlOL. had this happened say... 2 weeks from now, u'd be speaking for me no matter what I type here.
I hope you understand what I mean here... but still LOL...
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Olwen on November 11, 2013, 12:04:26 am
why has nobody posted a picture of michael jackson eating popcorn yet?
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on November 11, 2013, 12:07:31 am
Quote from: Flans on November 11, 2013, 12:01:37 am


LolOLolOLolOLolOLolllOLlOL. had this happened say... 2 weeks from now, u'd be speaking for me no matter what I type here.
I hope you understand what I mean here... but still LOL...

No i wouldn't be.

I have something called self-respect and i will stick to my thoughts no matter what happens especially if this is how you act on the forums.
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Flans on November 11, 2013, 12:10:05 am
Quote from: SirCymro_Crusader on November 11, 2013, 12:07:31 am
No i wouldn't be.

I have something called self-respect and i will stick to my thoughts no matter what happens especially if this is how you act on the forums.

Irrelevant, you say this now because nothing has happened. hold your horses mate, there are reasons for why this looks the way it does, I tried to conduct it all privately, but Kinn and his compatriots dont make these things easy for me.
When you get to the postion where you've been stolen from and then have the chance to stop another thief come back and talk here, then you will understand why there can be no respect for such a person
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: MURDERTRON on November 11, 2013, 12:16:40 am
The break up sex must be amazing...
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Tyr_ on November 11, 2013, 12:17:59 am
Quote from: Flans on November 11, 2013, 12:10:05 am
Irrelevant, you say this now because nothing has happened. hold your horses mate, there are reasons for why this looks the way it does, I tried to conduct it all privately, but Kinn and his compatriots dont make these things easy for me.
When you get to the postion where you've been stolen from and then have the chance to stop another thief come back and talk here, then you will understand why there can be no respect for such a person

This comes from the guy who bragged about how he bought Ismirala Castle by paying 8 (?not sure anymore) loompoints to dolby so he betrays his clan. Even dolby has more self-respect than you since he admitted his mistake and handed over the stuff he received for his betrayal.
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Flans on November 11, 2013, 12:20:19 am
I didn't initiate that, or messaged ur ppl to initiate that, don't throw your boring traits at me merc boy. A victory by any means necessary is still a victory, don't try to change the subject here, let kin throw smth else into the fire b4 we seal this place up

in any case, hurry the hell up kinn, its Monday tomorrow u know
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: SirCymro_Crusader on November 11, 2013, 12:32:18 am
Quote from: Flans on November 11, 2013, 12:20:19 am
I didn't initiate that, or messaged ur ppl to initiate that, don't throw your boring traits at me merc boy. A victory by any means necessary is still a victory, don't try to change the subject here, let kin throw smth else into the fire b4 we seal this place up

in any case, hurry the hell up kinn, its Monday tomorrow u know

A victory aye but i can't resist:

School time!!!
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Harpag on November 11, 2013, 12:56:04 am
Return of the King

Former leader returns after dramatic disappearance and very long absence. He was almost certain that garden without gardener wilted. But things turned out differently and he is very surprised. Faction wonderfully grown. The work survived master, and the master passed into history as a great founding father. The real reason to break with pride.

Great moment does not take long. Instead of using a well-deserved retirement and occasionally assist his pupils with advice and experience enjoying the splendor and glory of own clan, former leader inflamed by unfulfilled ambition making a mistake.

The hero of this story, despite all personal experience, instead connecting people, he provokes civil war.

Adaptation of Stephen King's short story.

genre: drama

production: EU

release date: November 2013

directed by:

     Kinngrimm

scenario:

     Odysseus
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Switchtense on November 11, 2013, 12:58:41 am
Quote from: Harpag on November 11, 2013, 12:56:04 am
Return of the King

Former leader returns after dramatic disappearance and very long absence. He was almost certain that garden without gardener wilted. But things turned out differently and he is very surprised. Faction wonderfully grown. The work survived master, and the master passed into history as a great founding father. The real reason to break with pride.

Great moment does not take long. Instead of using a well-deserved retirement and occasionally assist his pupils with advice and experience enjoying the splendor and glory of own clan, former leader inflamed by unfulfilled ambition making a mistake.

The hero of this story, despite all personal experience, instead connecting people, he provokes civil war.

Adaptation of Stephen King's short story.

genre: drama

production: EU

release date: November 2013

directed by:

     Kinngrimm

scenario:

     Odysseus

 :D :D
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Alimalia on November 11, 2013, 01:39:25 am
Well kinn, there are always several opinions.
Players may join a clan and will leave it at some point again. "You never should stop traveller.", you said it by yourself often enough.
But the way it is going right now, is not the way it should be!
Cause i dont want to leave important decisions and the whole clan and to someone who more than once left the clan. And im angry and dissapointed like hell that some members of our own clan backstabbed us after playing with us for such a long time and after we had a lot of fun together on ts and ingame.


If you have needed some help to resettle (for sure not handle all over to you for free) after comming back in strat, you could have just asked but you were to proud to do so!


We learned a lot about former strat history from other point of views than yours and well, as it looks you are back like you would have been never away.
Déjà-vu!

Well, i wonder how it will look in a half year, will you be there or out of the game again?
You can use the old Wolves banner, no one said anything against it.
Giving you Kudhan would have been out of logic and not the right way to go and you have known that for sure.
I have no clue, what is going on with you but its not good to fuck up friends.
All what happened in the past, was build on your ideas. No one dislike the wolves as a faction or as a bunch of players, they dislike how they were lead and what they have done in the past of strat.
The members of wolves obeyed orders from one person without scrutinize them and they still have to pay the bill of not getting trusted and called "backstabbers" up to this moment and in the future!
Just one question beside all of that. Why you allways write that much? If you wouldnt see any problem or dont see any mistake wouldnt you just smile and leave it like it is? But i have the feeling you know how it has all become like this and it was for sure not like you try to make it look now!
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Torben on November 11, 2013, 02:05:41 am
i still dont care or have any idea what is going on,  but:  well written,  little princess
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Vermilion on November 11, 2013, 02:08:38 am
Quote from: kinngrimm on November 10, 2013, 09:59:13 pm

When i came back and asked for a few things:
A) old banner
B) Khudan with all nessary tasks included
C) being the diplomat(not even the leader of the Wolf Pact Mercenaries)
a) was categorily denied
b) i was told it would take longer ... and longer
c) i never got an answer and retracted, when i noticed that this was your job.


Hey guys, I got a castle near the center of the map but fuck cRPG I'm done with this shit I'm never coming back (will delete my character as soon as I transfer the castle to someone else).


PS
When I come back in 8 months I demand that my castle is returned along with the troops, gear, 58 mil silver and everyone has to be my bitch and do what I say (but don't worry you'll still be the leader of the clan I left behind ;-) )

PPS
OH yeah I'm going to start a war before I leave, but I'm sure you guys will be fine
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Butan on November 11, 2013, 04:22:29 am
I dont know why Flans is getting all the minus, seems like his story is the most believable of the two and it doesnt surprise me one bit.

Here's to a good civil war, may different sides emerges!
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Knute on November 11, 2013, 06:15:00 am
I hate it when daddy and daddy fight, that said...

We appreciate the Wolves (both versions) helping us out.  Don't forget, hey, we won! 

*burns out of thread on motorcycle while holding up peace sign*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_xDVyUOzYg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_xDVyUOzYg)

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Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Vovka on November 11, 2013, 08:55:35 am
All dat shit cuz of goods!? omg looks like some one still care about strat  :P

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Vovka_of_Druzhina
Troops: 116
Speed: 8.923 meters per minute [zoom]
Equipment: 0 kg
Cargo: 2,971,420 kg (99048 crates)
Quick March: Quick March will end in 300 minutes.
Gold: 706379
Renown: 6601443
Goods: 148598 Trading Goods
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: GRANDMOM on November 11, 2013, 09:53:41 am
Ehrm, ehrm the only reason for me to write in here is because I get to quote this line:

Quote from: Flans on November 10, 2013, 11:02:04 pm

It was Grandmom taking charge with unanimous decision, we wont see a leader as great as him here anymore.
 


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 - "Thanks Odysseus"

Quote from: Flans on November 10, 2013, 11:02:04 pm
Why not ask Grand what I told him when you showed up here again, You will be surprised.
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Yes you did tell me that, I remember


Let me first state that I am a friend of Kinngrimm and a friend of the Wolves - dont see why that would have to change since this is a GAME gentlemen, nevertheless these......

.......are the undisputable facts, (from my point of view I should add):

1. A clan is stealing resources from another clan (All resources in a clan belongs to the clan, all resources gained when under a banner belongs to the banner, go solo if you want to get things for yourself - so in my eyes its stealing)
2. Warnings are handed out (clear from the log above)
3. Warnings are ignored (clear from the log above)
4. Measures are taken to secure the resources or saying "here is where we draw the line"(I would do the same, and Kinngrimm wouldnt have waited this long to act himself if he was leading the Wolves)

Any clan claiming they would act in a different way than the Wolves did, would soon have to bend over again and pick up the soap........its that simple - protect your shit or get walked over

Simply put, Kinngrimm tried to bluff the Wolves and got called, all part of the game and again - IT IS A GAME.

If he would have succeeded he would have gained things needed to get Fenris going - he took a chance, some risks and lost

Nothing more, nothing less....

End of story folks






Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: GRANDMOM on November 11, 2013, 09:54:11 am
Quote from: Vovka on November 11, 2013, 08:55:35 am
All dat shit cuz of goods!? omg looks like some one still care about strat  :P

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 :twisted:

Vovka_of_Druzhina
Troops: 116
Speed: 8.923 meters per minute [zoom]
Equipment: 0 kg
Cargo: 2,971,420 kg (99048 crates)
Quick March: Quick March will end in 300 minutes.
Gold: 706379
Renown: 6601443
Goods: 148598 Trading Goods

Whats ur position Vovka?
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Abay on November 11, 2013, 10:53:46 am
Quote from: GRANDMOM on November 11, 2013, 09:53:41 am
this is a GAME
a game of thrones maybe

hmm, then I shall act different if our logic is like that
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: kinngrimm on November 11, 2013, 11:31:07 am
while i don't condone the way this was handled by Wolves at all, i have to say the following

Fenris will be returning goods/money two of members left the Wolves with.

This was never intended to anything underhand. The members leaving the Wolves felt they had earnt a small share of the resources generated by them in their time. I instructed the leavers to keep what they considered fair, this was never intended as theft or in any way a hidden action.

Unfortunately when first member left with goods we assumed there was no issue, the Wolves evidently saw this "as letting one go". When it happened the second time Wolves saw this as provocative while Fenris thought there was no issue. Attacks then followed.

Unfortunately the subsequent public row caused some hopefully temporary personal issues. We want to look forward, even though starting a faction from little is hard and what we were taking was the proceeds of 1-3 good trading runs in the endgame board which we felt the Fenris Wolves members had probably earnt and as such we were not keen on begging.

As ever communication may not have been as ideal as we would have liked and a percieved lack of respect may have escalated into more serious contention.

To be absolutely clear there was no betrayal, no backstabbing it was a couple of members taking, openly, what they believed was a fair amount to help start up a new venture with after long service. The clan had hoped to work very closely with the Wolves to mutual gain. No-one in our clan wants war with the Wolves, most of us helped build the clan and even though as a starting clan with minimal resources we could do little to harm to the Wolves we would not wish to do so anyway.


Quote from: Flans on November 10, 2013, 11:02:04 pm
Why not ask Grand what I told him when you showed up here again, You will be surprised.
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While i do not question Grandmom and his views. This is not quite then how you and others reacted onto the things i suggested and asked for, i didn't tell but i asked. From those i retracted step by step point by point till nothing i wanted was left. So staying inside of Wolves has then not been an option anymore afterwards, as it became clear it would have been a powerstruggle and not the 99,99% support by the current leadership. Words are just that, aslong no actions follow and while the actions of Fenris members had been not the shining example i would like them to be ... yours aren't either.

This is the last thing i have to say "here" on this matter.
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: IR_Kuoin on November 11, 2013, 11:38:11 am
So much fucking drama over Strat, c'mon grow up ffss.
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Harpag on November 11, 2013, 11:49:13 am
Quote from: IR_Kuoin on November 11, 2013, 11:38:11 am
So much fucking drama over Strat, c'mon grow up ffss.

fu - we don't want to grow up  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Osiris on November 11, 2013, 11:57:30 am
but strat drama best drama
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Chris_the_Animal on November 11, 2013, 12:09:34 pm
Deja-Vu
exactly Alimalia :D


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Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Kass on November 11, 2013, 12:34:23 pm
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I am enjoying this.
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Butan on November 11, 2013, 12:36:03 pm
Quote from: Vovka on November 11, 2013, 08:55:35 am
(99048 crates)
148598 Trading Goods


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So guika and winterfell acted completely without orders, nothing related to the fact that the cat is out of the bag publicly ?  :)
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on November 11, 2013, 03:31:59 pm
Should not have handled this publicly.

I personally think that what you make in a faction, belongs to a faction.  The only way I think it would be okay to leave with goods/gear/troops/gold is if you entered the faction with goods/gear/troops/gold.

I think it was generous to say "hey keep the gear/troops/fief (gold?), but the goods are ours"

Either way, welcome back Kinngrimm.
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: sF_Guardian on November 11, 2013, 03:49:55 pm
Sad, just sad.
Some people should really learn what loyalty and honesty  actually mean.
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Larvae on November 11, 2013, 04:14:34 pm
Quote from: sF_Guardian on November 11, 2013, 03:49:55 pm
Sad, just sad.
Some people should really learn what loyalty and honesty  actually mean.

true that. :(
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Guray on November 11, 2013, 08:15:02 pm
When you are in a faction you cant have anything .let me say again ,ANYTHING! What you got belongs to your faction.You cant have any reason to take them with you .Your reasons are invalid and ridiculous kinngrimm.Oh you leaded this faction in the past and you think you can have something my dear :( NO YOU CAN NOT.I dont want to open another discussion but you left this clan when this faction had almost nothing .
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Switchtense on November 11, 2013, 10:55:23 pm
Quote from: HESKEYTIME on November 11, 2013, 10:17:11 pm
It's funny cos both sides clearly think that statement is supporting them xD

it only applies to the wolves rather than fenris though lol
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Panos_ on November 11, 2013, 11:02:44 pm
Quote from: Switchtense on November 11, 2013, 10:55:23 pm
it only applies to the wolves rather than fenris though lol

Why not to both??

Winter is loyal to his ex clan leader kinngrimm, I fail to see why it only applies to wolves.

Anyway, nothing new here, Odysseus is your typical little cunt silly boy, and thank god my point was proven, when Kinngrimm left the mod, I was the only one who kept repeating that the wolves have gotten worse since his departure.

Thanks for proving me right Odysseus (God it annoys me that a little cunt silly boy like yourself is using the name of one of the greatest Greek heroes), anyway, Kinn, once again you have my Polearm!


Ninja Edit : When I say worse, I mean not as a clan in general, because Wolves have some pretty skilled and good fellas!

Only Fuma is a my old friendgit
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Switchtense on November 11, 2013, 11:14:40 pm
Quote from: Sabjorn on November 11, 2013, 11:02:44 pm
Why not to both??

Winter is loyal to his ex clan leader kinngrimm, I fail to see why it only applies to wolves.

Anyway, nothing new here, Odysseus is your typical little cunt silly boy, and thank god my point was proven, when Kinngrimm left the mod, I was the only one who kept repeating that the wolves have gotten worse since his departure.

Thanks for proving me right Odysseus (God it annoys me that a little cunt silly boy like yourself is using the name of one of the greatest Greek heroes), anyway, Kinn, once again you have my Polearm!


Ninja Edit : When I say worse, I mean not as a clan in general, because Wolves have some pretty skilled and good fellas!

Only Fuma is a my old friendgit

winter switching clans is no problem, i think everybody is old enough to decide which clan to belong to, but after having been in wolves for quite a while, then just taking the fief, the army (which both was alright for ody) and also the goods without even asking is a stab right in the back of the wolves, and everything but honourable behavior
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Tomas_Miles_again on November 11, 2013, 11:17:41 pm
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Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Molly on November 11, 2013, 11:36:53 pm
Wolves: "mimimi Internet goods"
Fenris: "mimimi Internet goods"

Kinda hard to take side here :lol:
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Panos_ on November 11, 2013, 11:42:07 pm
People who keep mocking players who play strat, and type craps like "lOl my old friendGIT thiz is a game, no n33d to be mad", need to SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Yes this is a game, but that doesnt mean that the players who play it, dont invest something in it, quite the opposite, they invest probably their best ownage, THEIR FUCKING TIME, show some respect to this you inbreds.

I myself, don`t play strat, because I find it boring, but at least I respect others people choices, this community is full of little elitist spoiled brats, drop your higher than thou attitude, for fucks sake.
Title: Re: Nasty business
Post by: Flans on November 11, 2013, 11:49:43 pm
Quote from: guray13 on November 11, 2013, 08:15:02 pm
I dont want to open another discussion but you left this clan when this faction had almost nothing .

And you saw to it that we would not die :) and for that you and yours have my respect.    :wink:

Alright guys, only reason I made this forum thread was for me to have open discussion with Kinn where my Allies and friends could see it as it happened.
That has now come and passed, and I thank you all for your comments about this all, whether positive or negative (or just Banos).

Take care ppl and see you all the next time I'm called to need to flame here again, I can now head back to what I was originally doing in Coaaaaaaaaaa land.