Due to the incessant skulking in the shadows that Kinngrimm is actively pursuing, The Wolfpack Mercenaries are no longer associated or to be associated with the Wolves of Fenris.
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This is mainly here for reference and to tell and show everyone whatsup. Unlike yourself old man.
So you want to wash the dirty laundry out in the open alright then.
Instead of coming not once to my teamspeak, speaking to me in person, nore answering on several other pms i send the last weeks, after Grandmom asked me to give you advice (I guess that was all too parental, who wants to listen to the "old man"
),
you needed to create some drama here. Well i am about to deliver(community knows i am good for it
).
The first message i got from you is today the following pm:
Wolves_Odysseus_XI 10-11-2013 15:57:41 to Fenris_kinngrimm
Cease your disruptive behavior. You are bringing shame and dishonor to yourself and to this clan we both represent.
You have hereby been warned. I will not continue to indulge your shadow behavior any further.
btw, if it would be still upto me, after this action, you wouldnt represent jack shit anymore and you are doing me a favour distanciating your actions from those of me.
i replied with:
Fenris_kinngrimm 10-11-2013 17:53:59 to Wolves_Odysseus_XI
explain
Next thing what happens was the attack, so there i got my explanation.
Now some informations, which Ody implies i wouldnt share as i am all acting out of the shadows.
Winterfell intended to trade, the goods he was moving, and wanted to move away with "his" shit
steam chat
between flans and winterfell
14:26 - Winterfell: can u see me on the map lol?
14:27 - Winterfell: in front of me is peso with 1999 troops, besides me is alonza with 1999 troops. in front of dat is odyseus with 1 troop and behind me is blizzard with 1900 troops lol
14:40 - Winterfell: Flans ( wolves ): hey
Winterfell: hey
Flans ( wolves ): send me your troops gear and goods then move to your village take troops and sliver out and move to one of the castle or town an attack might come
Flans ( wolves ): we got some reports from near NA border and alot of the other armies near our land so this should be fun if it happens and i dont want to waste that 400k in your fief
15:20 - Winterfell: lans ( wolves ): i wanted u to not do this
Winterfell: if i gave you the troops
Winterfell: and goods
Winterfell: you would backstab me when i took the silver and troops out of slezkh
Flans ( wolves ): why would i attack u if u gave me that?
Winterfell: you got 4 armies around me
Winterfell: you tell me some bullshit story
Winterfell: thats betrayal
between winterfell and me:
20:13 - kinngrimm: wel lyo ugot attacked
20:13 - kinngrimm: from Wolves
20:13 - Winterfell: i just noticed
20:13 - Winterfell: by alonza
20:13 - kinngrimm: dont react jsut now on this in forum or anywhere
20:13 - Winterfell: nah
20:13 - Winterfell: he is been talking shit
20:13 - Winterfell: sneaky bastard
20:13 - kinngrimm: they where grouping up already around you , i needed to see how far they would go
20:13 - kinngrimm: but this makes things very clear
20:13 - Winterfell: yeah i noticed
20:14 - Winterfell: he just wants it all man
20:14 - kinngrimm: powerhungry madmen ^^
20:14 - Winterfell: yeah
When i came back and asked for a few things:
A) old banner
B) Khudan with all nessary tasks included
C) being the diplomat(not even the leader of the Wolf Pact Mercenaries)
a) was categorily denied
b) i was told it would take longer ... and longer
c) i never got an answer and retracted, when i noticed that this was your job.
Pardon me, that my patience has limits, i did found the Wolf Pact Mercenary and handed them over into good hands,
as it seems they did end up now in the hands of a fool.
While spending 10 days in Wolf Pact Mercenaries TS after when i i returned,
my patience ran out and instead of taking over i founded a new clan.
I had powerstruggles before in the Wolf Pact Mercenaries, if those who went into Fenris(18) instead would have stayed/joined Wolf Pact Mercenaries, what do you think the outcome of votings would have been, as there are still supporters of me inside of the Wolf Pact Mercenaries who wanted me back as leader. And strangely enough, when people get to know me, they sometimes even like me. You think to be the big boss man now, dude sry to crush your dreams here, but this is on you Flans, the way you choose to and not to interact with me. Instead of using me in those things i am good at, you choose to ignore me and try to put me on the bench.
If i would be still in the Wolves now, i would call for a vote to change leadership.
As it was explained to me , every important decision made within Wolves, calls for a member voting nowadays and anyone can call for such a vote.
So I ask the Wolves- did your leader(s) ask you if it would be ok, kicking out nearly 1/3 of your Strategus supporters?
- did they ask you if it would be ok to attack those who build up the Wolf Pact Mercenaries in the first place? After all at least the second part is a casus belli, an act of war.
If the answers are no, you may wonder if your current leadership wouldn't be full of **it.
Winterfell mentioned:
20:16 - Winterfell: then he was like how much he meaned to the clan
20:17 - Winterfell: cause he took 3 castles:)
20:17 - Winterfell: kinngrim was away for 8 months
Flans you get it all upside down, the clan can survive without you anytime as it did without me, but the otherway round you or me are nothing without those who follow us.
In my opinion,
Leaders need to be humble by heart when it comes to their members.
Then again, you never needed to build up a clan from scratch, it was handed to you on a silver plattern.
Then again, there is more then 1 leader nowadays in Wolves, those also didn't try to contact me, so are you the pawn or are you the leader here Ody?
@Grandmom
I failed with this padawan. Then again we both knew it wasnt to be an easy path.
Think what happened was that some Wolves member join Fenris instead and took fiefs with him.
We handed over Curaw, which we could have kept, we handed over Slezhk Castle which we could have kept, we don't need nore want SLezhk village. I already retracted of all claims in the snow lands for this strategus. The dispute was about stuff soem of Fenris lads have on themselves, which they have worked for(well they also did work for the other fiefs as also other factions like SoA Les Troi Lis ,their former fiefs are CFA fiefs not Wolf Pact Mercenary fiefs. The only 3 fiefs really claimed from the start by Wolves had been Tismir, Khudan and Shapeshke. When i left, Wolves had 7-8 fiefs, now they have 8 plus 3 contested villages in the stepp. Whe ni left Wolves had 40+ memebrs now 46 and of those 46 now roughly 10 recruits, with those Fenris and other supporters kicked or soon to leave on their, about 25 o 30 ish left. Odysseus alone is already holding 3 fiefs ^^ ...
still enjoying public drama Ody & Co, wait i got one more for you:
some ts chat
<19:45:21> "OotQ_Eddy_the_Panda": 19:43 - OotQ Edwarf: could you explain me what happend with winterfell?
19:44 - Flans ( wolves ): after i got some news from lar and so on that kinn planed on winterfell selling the wolves goods and keeping all stuff i tried to talk with winter to hand over the goods i even said i will let him keep troops village and gear
19:44 - Flans ( wolves ): he said no
19:44 - Flans ( wolves ): he did not obey the order to hand over
19:45 - Flans ( wolves ): he left me no other way
So because someone didnt obey your order
you attacked him, you loos troops and gear over it, you make yourself an enemy, because that is what you need in this kind of situation *shakeshead*
want some more drama Ody? you know you could have just talked to me ... well i guess you can take it. Afterall you are the hero who conquered 3 castles singlehandidly and people have to obey you ...
I am still open for talks, but now we will create our own Faction and wont join back into Wolves.
It would have happened anyways, but this way is as the heading says "Nasty business".
Also i would prefer to talk to Quis(Wolves_QuisUtDeus) from now on, when it comes to business between the clans. Quis at least was always relaxed enough not to make any hasty decisions.
EDIT: While other Fenris also kept some of their stuff like Guika a week ago, he and Legend gave 2 of the best defendable fiefs to Wolves with my knowledge and my goodwill behind that.
I got supported sofar when i came back, by Grey Order, those i had been at war with when i left 9 months back, they gave me a village, for free, of Balde gave me 500 troops and equip for nothing in return ... not once have you Ody or any other of the Wolves offered me anything after i returned, you were just fearfull to loose your job ^^. So i found a way that you can keep it, not getting back into the Wolves, still you are too fucking blind and childish to see a stroke of pure luck and goodwill if it would bite you in your face.
