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Title: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Sniger on October 12, 2013, 03:08:19 pm
personally i think warband with crpg combat mech would be just awesome for esport. (dueling as we know it from warband but with the features of crpg combat)

what do you guys think?

i also think that it would be a good idea to try launch bannerlord with some kind of esport gimmick. maybe talk with the appropriate esport ppl (i dont know who tho lol) and somehow make bannerlord listed as an esport on the various esport websites. i think it should be done fra day 1 bannerlord release. m&b esport would be the virtual counterpart to the live re-enactments or whatever you wanna call it, you know what i mean :)
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Panos_ on October 12, 2013, 03:10:16 pm
It would be nice if we had a ladder on ESL wether that would be for bannerlord or c-rpg..
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Sniger on October 12, 2013, 03:13:36 pm
huge yes.

but in my world, since bannerlord screenshots, crpg is outdated and esport focus should be on bannerlord.

ofc in my tiny head i still belive that crpg devs must have been talking with taleworld in relation to the combat mech in bannerlord. if not i personally think taleworld fails. but wtf do i know :p im/we are not yellow so noone cba telling me/us anything :p
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Gravoth_iii on October 12, 2013, 03:14:41 pm
It does definitely have the mechanics to be interesting for esports etc but unfortunately not big enough of an audience :( Lets hope M:BG or Bannerlord gets some big hype and a bigger playerbase.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Sniger on October 12, 2013, 03:15:44 pm
M:BG = bannerlord! BELIVE IN IT AND IT WILL COME TRUE!

(or M:BG plan to leech bannerlord engine :D :D :D that would be a good lol for me :D )
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: wayyyyyne on October 12, 2013, 03:16:03 pm
I don't think I want this game to cater to the needs of twitch viewers thank you very much
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Utrakil on October 12, 2013, 03:17:49 pm
M:BG = bannerlord! BELIVE IN IT AND IT WILL COME TRUE!

(or M:BG plan to leech bannerlord engine :D :D :D that would be a good lol for me :D )
You silly
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Sniger on October 12, 2013, 03:19:01 pm
i dont care about twitch or viewers

i just think that an equal amount vs. equal amount generate the best fights. all too often the GF is "ruined" by blob gangbang or backstab. dont get me wrong, thats how battle is suppose to work BUT i just have no way of getting GF's unless i grind battle and once in a while lucky enuff to get wingmen with brains :C
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Sniger on October 12, 2013, 03:20:27 pm
You silly

yeah well i just think that if taleworld completely ignore CRPG they fail and CRPG devs should punish taleworld by creating their own game and use the new crispy bannerlord engine :D

abit like the DayZ/WarZ :p
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Sniger on October 12, 2013, 03:24:03 pm
but to get back to the esport topic:

whatever crpg devs is working on, M:BG (what i think is the troll cover name :p ) or bannerlord, i think its very important to launch some esport for it at the same time. you will reach a wider audience >> generate moar moneyz >> we get moar awesome gamez
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Miwiw on October 12, 2013, 03:24:48 pm
Doubt this kind of games ever becomes as famous as those being on twitch and having some hundred k of viewers a night.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Sniger on October 12, 2013, 03:31:35 pm
Doubt this kind of games ever becomes as famous as those being on twitch and having some hundred k of viewers a night.

famous = many plays it or many knows about it? i dont think i want it to be a new WoW as such but i want people to at least know about it! alot more than now and also if you tell the "serious" gamers about it they wont care if it isnt supported by esport. i regard m&b as an adults game. and i also hope that bannerlord and/or BG will be an adults game. the nintendo/commodore 16/zx spectrum/8086 players is getting kinda old and the more you play games the more serious you become :)
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Tibe on October 12, 2013, 03:32:22 pm
I sometimes get the feeling I dont want this game to get lots of publicity.  Once it gets enough, developers will start chopping descent gamemechanics off with an axe, to make 12 yearoldCoDplayertypes happy and Metacritic scores high. As was the case with Rome II.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Sniger on October 12, 2013, 03:33:32 pm
I sometimes get the feeling I dont want this game to get lots of publicity.  Once it gets enough, developers will start chopping descent gamemechanics off with an axe, to make 12 yearoldCoDplayertypes happy and Metacritic scores high. As was the case with Rome II.

exactly! thats what i mean when i say that i hope it will be an adults game.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Sniger on October 12, 2013, 03:36:59 pm
heh... im sitting here and smoking and getting high and thinking... why is it some people is so afraid of "popular" stuff? everything "popular" just sux no matter what. emo-style? i dont know i dont understand it. use your eyes and brains and decide if some popular thing is good or bad dont just say its bad cus its popular.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Sniger on October 12, 2013, 03:39:09 pm
when you are 12 you play on a football team with your friends, all for the lols

then you become better at it and you want more.

you get older and you join a pro football club.

still for the lols... and yet... it isnt :)

you dont join the club to get viewers. you dont join a pro club to become famous and harvest epeen.

you joined the pro club cus you wanted more.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: _GTX_ on October 12, 2013, 03:51:41 pm
Well i would personally love, if this game got into the e-sports scene, but i dont think that surprises anyone.

Im not the biggest fan of the big blob fights, since well.... skill does not rly matter. Have a polearm or try ur luck, and throw a few swings in there.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Teeth on October 12, 2013, 04:18:33 pm
Im not the biggest fan of the big blob fights, since well.... skill does not rly matter. Have a polearm or try ur luck, and throw a few swings in there.
Just because you are bad at it doesn't mean it takes no skill.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Leshma on October 12, 2013, 04:32:43 pm
Bannerlord looks like Mount&Blade v1.2 (v1.0 being original, Warband v1.1). Seems to me they don't have desire to radically improve the concept of the game. Not looking forward to it at all.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Osiris on October 12, 2013, 04:37:15 pm
Well i would personally love, if this game got into the e-sports scene, but i dont think that surprises anyone.

Im not the biggest fan of the big blob fights, since well.... skill does not rly matter. Have a polearm or try ur luck, and throw a few swings in there.

well this game is based on battles which are typically blob vs blob. now as im not a super nerd i dont sit around watching other people play computer games because id rather look at a wall or something :D so to those of us who have no interest in e sports and don't know how it can even use the word sport when your sitting on your ass please explain to me what you would want bannerlord/MGB to be as an esport but without blob vs blob? Incoherent ramble over :D
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Daunt_Flockula on October 12, 2013, 05:23:17 pm
Bannerlord looks like Mount&Blade v1.2 (v1.0 being original, Warband v1.1). Seems to me they don't have desire to radically improve the concept of the game. Not looking forward to it at all.

I'm ok with that much improvement at a time. Better slowly take its ultimate shape than get hastily messed up with hopes of making a superior dash.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: _GTX_ on October 12, 2013, 07:07:07 pm
Just because you are bad at it doesn't mean it takes no skill.
Oh yes, a big blob of melee trying to stab another big blob of melee. There is so many possibilities of making big plays, while being in the blob xD. Ty for the insult btw, that was really needed  :rolleyes:.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Bjord on October 12, 2013, 07:09:12 pm
Am I the only one whose expectations (and thereby care invested) in Bonerlord are low?

There most likely won't be a cRPG for Bonerlord, which in my opinion is the only mod worth investing in at the moment. I'm not ruling out the possibility of some awesome mod arriving for Bonerlord, but for that to be true it would have to have some form of persistency and customization options, as well as good balance, respectable devs who interact with the players, good design etc etc. you get the picture. It's gonna have to rival the mod that we love to hate to love.

I realise cRPG is fairly niched compared to Native and the amount of grind coupled with a fairly steep learning curve scares off most of the new players (all cRPG rejects end up shooting heroine and snorting coke in Mercenaries, the retarded step brother or cRPG). But that's just the average idiot gamer unable to overcome their fear of having to put effort into a game where they can't call in gunships when they get 2 kills in a row. In cRPG, kill streaks are rewarded with a raging boner.

Anyway, M:BG gonna wipe the floor with that half-assed plastic surgical improvement of Warband.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: _GTX_ on October 12, 2013, 07:10:27 pm
well this game is based on battles which are typically blob vs blob. now as im not a super nerd i dont sit around watching other people play computer games because id rather look at a wall or something :D so to those of us who have no interest in e sports and don't know how it can even use the word sport when your sitting on your ass please explain to me what you would want bannerlord/MGB to be as an esport but without blob vs blob? Incoherent ramble over :D

Why would i even answer you, when this is your attitude towards it? You start off with calling me a super nerd, since i like e-sports, and then you say that you would rather watch a wall, than watching others play.

So talking to you about this, would be like talking to a wall, since you clearly dont care about it.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Christo on October 12, 2013, 07:12:07 pm
Make MOBA-esque tower defense gamemode, bam.

Instant fanbase that follows it as e-sport

It looks like MOBA is the new zombie survival of gaming.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Bjord on October 12, 2013, 07:14:43 pm
"Nerd" is such a retarded insult, not even worth paying attention.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Osiris on October 12, 2013, 07:19:08 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerd
A nerd (adjective: nerdy) is a person, typically described as being overly intellectual, obsessive, or socially impaired. They may spend inordinate amounts of time on unpopular, obscure, or non-mainstream activities, which are generally either highly technical or relating to topics of fiction or fantasy, to the exclusion of more mainstream activities.[1][2][3] Additionally, many nerds are described as being shy, quirky, and unattractive,[4] and may have difficulty participating in, or even following, sports. "Nerd" is a derogatory, stereotypical term, but as with other pejoratives, it has been reclaimed and redefined by some as a term of pride and group identity.

depends if you find the word nerd to be insulting :D which it really isnt ^^ i would consider esports to be super nerdy ^^ rather than just nerdy :P Im not a nerd tho im not smart enough :D


TLDR I dont consider nerd an insult i just used it to try to make gtx rage  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Bjord on October 12, 2013, 07:23:21 pm
Someone is socially impaired because they like E-sports? Fuck off? And no, you can't just say "ur a nerd" because they like E-sports and then play it off with saying "nerd has different meanings".

Nerd is the insult by people who are unable to relate to someone else's interests, or someone who is threatened by someone's intelligence.

So if you don't consider it an insult, why'd you use it as one?
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Osiris on October 12, 2013, 07:25:15 pm
seems i caught a bjord instead  :wink: E-sports are pretty ghey tho almost as ghey as Metal music still how would you turn blob vs blob into something exciting to watch?
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Bjord on October 12, 2013, 07:26:28 pm
Saying something retarded and then being questioned about it is not the same as trolling.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Osiris on October 12, 2013, 07:28:07 pm
hardly retarded but whatever bjord :D
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Bjord on October 12, 2013, 07:31:23 pm
hardly retarded but whatever bjord :D

im not smart enough

Case rested.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Osiris on October 12, 2013, 07:32:28 pm
ahh yes not being incredibly smart makes you a retard :) logic win by bjord i cannot comprehend the incredible powers of your mind as that makes no sense to my feeble brain so im gonna go shops and kill it with cider :D
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Bjord on October 12, 2013, 07:41:16 pm
Where did I say you were retarded? What you said was retarded, but I never said you were retarded.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Vibe on October 12, 2013, 07:48:27 pm
now as im not a super nerd i dont sit around watching other people play computer games because id rather look at a wall or something :D

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calling someone a supernerd for watching e-sports on a video game forum
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: rufio on October 12, 2013, 07:55:09 pm
calling someone a supernerd for liking esports is pretty outdated, visitors can't see pics , please register or login


also going by your logic,  you could be a supernerd for liking the wheel of time series...
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: _GTX_ on October 12, 2013, 10:00:17 pm
depends if you find the word nerd to be insulting :D which it really isnt ^^ i would consider esports to be super nerdy ^^ rather than just nerdy :P Im not a nerd tho im not smart enough :D


TLDR I dont consider nerd an insult i just used it to try to make gtx rage  :mrgreen:
How is it super nerdy to watch e-sports? Its actually becoming quite a normal thing to watch. The new Moba's like LoL and Dota has quite a big e-sports scene, not to mention the oldy Starcraft.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: zagibu on October 12, 2013, 10:26:59 pm
I don't think it's nerdy, but I don't understand the fascination. Then again, I also don't understand the fascination of watching real sports, so...
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Leshma on October 13, 2013, 12:08:54 am
How is it super nerdy to watch e-sports? Its actually becoming quite a normal thing to watch. The new Moba's like LoL and Dota has quite a big e-sports scene, not to mention the oldy Starcraft.

Korean guys around your age clicking mice like there's no tomorrow... thanks, but I'll pass.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: _GTX_ on October 13, 2013, 12:28:03 am
Korean guys around your age clicking mice like there's no tomorrow... thanks, but I'll pass.
Thanks for not looking at this stereotypically. But ofc in all e-sports, the focus is not on the game. The camera is constantly on the mouse, since thats where all the action happens!
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on October 13, 2013, 12:31:00 am
wtf is an esport?
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Christo on October 13, 2013, 12:41:46 am
wtf is an esport?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_sports (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_sports)

hue
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Vibe on October 13, 2013, 05:28:08 pm
Korean guys around your age clicking mice like there's no tomorrow... thanks, but I'll pass.

yes, clicking mice like there's no tomorrow wins you thousands of dollars, damn, why didn't I think of doing it

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i'd be rich by now!
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Bromagi on October 13, 2013, 05:36:40 pm
Stop saying Esports... its not a sport... its playing a video game.. we arent athletes that play a sport and build a body to excell at the sport.. we move a mouse.. xD
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Vibe on October 13, 2013, 05:40:13 pm
Stop saying Esports... its not a sport... its playing a video game.. we arent athletes that play a sport and build a body to excell at the sport.. we move a mouse.. xD

Yes thus it is called electronic sport (which implies it is not the same as a normal sport)? Holy fuck the idiocy in this thread is going through the roof
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Froto_the_Loc on October 13, 2013, 05:42:05 pm
I keep reading "escort" instead of "esport", but I'm sure most of the guys around here wouldn't mind being escorts.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: zagibu on October 13, 2013, 05:42:22 pm
Things like poll billard also count as sports, I think, so why not computer games?

Also, with VR and treadmills coming, it might soon be quite exhaustive as well.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Leshma on October 13, 2013, 06:03:38 pm
Yes thus it is called electronic sport (which implies it is not the same as a normal sport)? Holy fuck the idiocy in this thread is going through the roof

If someone does not agree with you that means he's an idiot... I think one cmp is more than enough for this tiny community.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Vibe on October 13, 2013, 06:16:02 pm
If someone does not agree with you that means he's an idiot... I think one cmp is more than enough for this tiny community.

it's not that he disagrees, it's the explanation he uses for the disagreement that is dense (just like your comment)
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: _GTX_ on October 13, 2013, 06:26:22 pm
Yes thus it is called electronic sport (which implies it is not the same as a normal sport)? Holy fuck the idiocy in this thread is going through the roof

People can not handle change, i think that is the main issue here. (I hope it is, or they are just insanely stupid :P)
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Vibe on October 13, 2013, 06:27:26 pm
People can not handle change, i think that is the main issue here. (I hope it is, or they are just insanely stupid :P)

I think it's more a case of "esport is popular but because we are hipsters we must hate it!"
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 13, 2013, 06:29:15 pm
Bleh i bet that would include censorship for naughty language

Phi, nty.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on October 13, 2013, 06:44:32 pm
Watching regular sports sucks hard enough already, the only joy from watching sport is gambling.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Leshma on October 13, 2013, 07:00:00 pm
it's not that he disagrees, it's the explanation he uses for the disagreement that is dense (just like your comment)

Your posts in this thread remind me of a dude from Star Citizen forums who insulted everyone who disagreed with him. He made a thread where he demanded from devs to ask Felicia Day to do a voiceover. After more than half people disagreed, he started with insults. He was like, who doesn't like Felicia Day. You're like, who doesn't like eSports. Well, some people don't and have valid reasons for it. No need to hate them for having an opinion.

Besides, only games with huge following become eSports games. Mount&Blade will probably never get to that point, this is a niche game and will probably always stay that way.

Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Vibe on October 13, 2013, 07:08:24 pm
Your posts in this thread remind me of a dude from Star Citizen forums who insulted everyone who disagreed with him. He made a thread where he demanded from devs to ask Felicia Day to do a voiceover. After more than half people disagreed, he started with insults. He was like, who doesn't like Felicia Day. You're like, who doesn't like eSports. Well, some people don't and have valid reasons for it. No need to hate them for having an opinion.

I'm not "who doesn't like eSports", why are you making stuff up? I have no problem with people not liking esports, fine with me. I was commenting on the statements said about esports, not about you and the other dude not liking it. Why should I care if you like esports or not?
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Miwiw on October 13, 2013, 07:10:56 pm
If someone does not agree with you that means he's an idiot... I think one cmp is more than enough for this tiny community.

Since when can you disagree with a thing that's a fact. Esports is some kind of sports obviously, otherwise it wouldnt be called like that. It's not a sport however, it's e-sport, but some kind of sport, but not sport!
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Leshma on October 13, 2013, 07:15:15 pm
There are facts and there are "facts". Just because bunch of people agree on something, doesn't make it a fact. For example, North Koreans (they don't like that name) worship their president. If you're "true" Korean you will love and support Kim Jong-un, that is a FACT in Korea. In similar fashion, eSports is important thing to gamers. But people outside gaming (still very sizeable amount of people) don't care about it. So it's not an actual fact like laws of mathematics. It's just an opinion.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Tibe on October 13, 2013, 07:45:52 pm
Your posts in this thread remind me of a dude from Star Citizen forums who insulted everyone who disagreed with him. He made a thread where he demanded from devs to ask Felicia Day to do a voiceover. After more than half people disagreed, he started with insults. He was like, who doesn't like Felicia Day. You're like, who doesn't like eSports. Well, some people don't and have valid reasons for it. No need to hate them for having an opinion.

Acctually Vibe was pretty entertaining and he wasnt really that insulting. He didnt hate, he just made fun of the wierd statement the other guy gave. Esports really is a sport. Read a wikipedia article or smthing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Osiris on October 13, 2013, 08:11:57 pm
i clicked your wiki link it says nothing about e sports and says

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So i clicked on esports link and it says

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I don't see how this proves it is a sport? as far as i can see some gamers decided to call it esports and the name stuck.


As for vibes I think it's more a case of "esport is popular but because we are hipsters we must hate it!" It depends how you define popular. Most people who i know play games and most dont give a crap about esports im sure in hardcore moba players etc its pretty popular but being a hipster for not liking it? Its hardly in the public mainstream now is it

le edit :D you can love esports all you like it just isnt for me in the same way table top warhammer and the like isnt :D
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Bjord on October 13, 2013, 09:14:19 pm
Nothing against you, Osiris, but I think your slight lack of intelligence strikes again.

Sport is something that you can compete in. Are you saying that you cannot compete in games?
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Tibe on October 13, 2013, 09:19:24 pm
Indeed. Sports is a pretty wide term. You dont really need a special pinkslip from some international council of old fartbags to call something a sport.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Bjord on October 13, 2013, 09:27:27 pm
You can even get athlete's visa in the US if you're an e-sports pro.

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/aug/07/business/la-fi-online-gamers-20130808

EDIT: silly apostrophe
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Osiris on October 13, 2013, 09:27:50 pm
http://dictionary.reference.com/

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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/

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http://oxforddictionaries.com

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So because you have decided that sport now has a definition as anything competitive despite it saying differently in pretty much every dictionary ive ever read i lack intelligence?

just because something is competitive doesn't make it a sport. hell yu gi oh isnt a sport monopoly isnt a sport pokemon isnt a sport etc etc. I guess we just have to agree to disagree about PC games being a sport. perhaps i am an old fartbag :D We can argue it all we like even that article called it "so-called" untill dictionaries etc classify games like LoL a sport then i will be of the opinion that they arnt :D your opinion is that they are. doubt either will change
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Tibe on October 13, 2013, 09:40:57 pm
Well, your post is wrong. Chess and bridge for example are fully considered as sports and they are definately not athletic activities requiring physical prowess. Id have you know even "computer programming" is defined as sport btw.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Boerenlater on October 13, 2013, 09:43:04 pm
This fucking thread...
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Bjord on October 13, 2013, 09:44:19 pm
First of all, GAMES like DotA, LoL, Counterstrike, WoW and many others all utilize a mouse. The ability to utilize your hand-to-eye coordination is a physical feat, as it originates from your muscle memory, i.e  agility and precision. You need quick physical input. A professional player obviously excels at all these as this is a necessity to do well.

Secondly, read this:
http://www.chess.com/article/view/is-chess-a-sport

"Claiming chess “is just a game”, because it is rule based, and therefore unworthy of undue attention, is a tautology (self-explanatory) and explains nothing."

Games are games, yes, but competetive gaming at high levels is not just "gaming". The level of competition is so high that the amount of effort you have to invest into becoming a better player kinda makes the idea of playing a game for recreational purpose an entirely different thing.

Thirdly, learn to use your own brain instead of looking up words in dictionaries. It doesn't require much intelligence to argue with the help of dictionaries, a monkey could do that.

Also, words change meanings. Sport is a fairly old term.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Osiris on October 13, 2013, 09:50:34 pm
I see. I'm stupid and don't use my brain if my opinion in any way differs from bjord and use the definition of a word in a debate about that word. Enough said i shall go and be  athletic sitting on my arse playing crpg (because calling someone stupid and unintelligent over and over in a debate makes you clearly smarter and the winner)
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Bjord on October 13, 2013, 10:02:28 pm
I see. I'm stupid and don't use my brain if my opinion in any way differs from bjord and use the definition of a word in a debate about that word. Enough said i shall go and be  athletic sitting on my arse playing crpg (because calling someone stupid and unintelligent over and over in a debate makes you clearly smarter and the winner)

If you call that post "seeing" then you must be blind, or you only see things that you want to see. Pick one for all I care.

You based your opinion of e-sports not being a sport because they are not athletic, because they require no physical prowess. I disproved this in my first paragraph. You cannot claim agility and sleight of hand is not an athletic ability. Darts is a sport, and I doubt there is that big a difference of physical endurance required if you compared E-Sports and Darts. I've seen fatter guys playing Darts than some E-Sport pros.

Not to mention your only support for that opinion was some dictionaries.

Also, if you actually read my last post, or any of my posts, you'd see I didn't use your lack of intelligence as an argument. Rather, that was a possible explanation for your ignorance and narrow-mindedness.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Vibe on October 13, 2013, 11:14:59 pm
Also a few other sports that require hand/aim skills rather than physical abilities:

billiard/snooker
curling
golf
shooting
bowling

these are all officially sports and some of them are in olympics
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Kafein on October 13, 2013, 11:15:17 pm
yeah well i just think that if taleworld completely ignore CRPG they fail and CRPG devs should punish taleworld by creating their own game and use the new crispy bannerlord engine :D

abit like the DayZ/WarZ :p

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Edit : wow I just read the whole thing. This thread entirely blew my mind by the level of stupidity. I should really apply this image without any comment also because sniger said he was high which kinda explains the idiotic posts.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Miwiw on October 13, 2013, 11:27:24 pm
curling
golf
shooting
bowling

Don't get how these are considered sports, especially curling, if competetive pc games cannot be considered e-sports. :P
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Bjord on October 13, 2013, 11:38:05 pm
The need to differentiate sports that require athletic prowess and sports that require mental prowess is fucking beyond me. Who gives a shit? Give the people what they want, and the people want to watch whatever phenomena that impresses and astounds. Shove some dictionaries up your ass, they won't make less people watch something just because some old fucker points at them while he's yelling that what they are watching is unworthy of being called a sport.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Kafein on October 13, 2013, 11:40:34 pm
The need to differentiate sports that require athletic prowess and sports that require mental prowess is fucking beyond me. Who gives a shit? Give the people what they want, and the people want to watch whatever phenomena that impresses and astounds. Shove some dictionaries up your ass, they won't make less people watch something just because some old fucker points at them while he's yelling that what they are watching is unworthy of being called a sport.

Retards be retards, they are worse when they know about it.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Teeth on October 13, 2013, 11:46:34 pm
Semantics :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: _GTX_ on October 14, 2013, 12:29:30 am
Well Osiris, if you want to post links to all kinds of ''proff'', i can do the same. This is just links supporting one of Bjord's earlier links.

Basicly the same story told 3 times, just to increase the credibility of em.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-13-league-of-legends-deemed-a-professional-sport-by-the-us-government (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-13-league-of-legends-deemed-a-professional-sport-by-the-us-government)
http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/13/4520188/us-citizenship-immigrations-to-give-league-of-legends-players-sports-visas (http://www.theverge.com/2013/7/13/4520188/us-citizenship-immigrations-to-give-league-of-legends-players-sports-visas)
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/12/us-government-recognizes-league-of-legends-lsc-as-sport# (http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/12/us-government-recognizes-league-of-legends-lsc-as-sport#)

So you might not see it as a sport, but obviously the us-government does. ;)
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Xant on October 14, 2013, 12:36:12 am
You might not think that Saddam had WMDs, but obviously the US government did. ;)
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Fartface on October 14, 2013, 12:40:31 am
Indeed. Sports is a pretty wide term. You dont really need a special pinkslip from some international council of old fartbags to call something a sport.
Another Great example is motorised sports such as NASCAR.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Leshma on October 14, 2013, 02:12:02 am
Don't get how these are considered sports, especially curling, if competetive pc games cannot be considered e-sports. :P

Funny thing is that ancient sport called wrestling was in danger to lose Olympic sport status it has since, well, ancient times. Just because it's not popular enough. Strange and turbulent times we're living in. We'll see who is right in the upcoming decades, old farts who won't change their views or youngers who like change for the sake of change. Somehow, I have a feeling that whole western world will collapse and end up replaced by eastern values. Their young might be less open minded but they for sure are more efficient at almost everything. Even this so called eSports prove that.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Bjord on October 14, 2013, 02:21:46 am
Leshma, you are wrong. 100%, undeniably, quantifiably wrong.

So many fallacies in one post, dear god. Going to bed.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Christo on October 14, 2013, 02:32:14 am
Holy crap this 'debate'

Really?
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Leshma on October 14, 2013, 03:06:44 am
Ever since university course back in 2007 I've decided I'm done with debate (I was the loud one, my opponent was logical one, for some reason he won... that usually does not happen under real conditions, loud mouthed guys always win). Just stating an opinion, if you like it that's cool. If not, oh well... sucks to be you :P

IRL there's no point of having a debate if it's not just for show (politicians ftw), much less on internet where debate is just a waste of time. On internet it's like this for me: read something, don't like it, leave your opinion (while being polite enough to the other side) and run. Some may call it trolling, I personally don't care.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: cmp on October 14, 2013, 03:18:34 am
On internet it's like this for me: read something, don't like it, leave your opinion (while being polite enough to the other side) and run.

Your post history begs to differ.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Leshma on October 14, 2013, 03:23:12 am
You mean, my warning history? That's correct, I wasn't the most polite chap around. Trying to change that, so far doing good I think.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Xant on October 14, 2013, 03:25:14 am
Ever since university course back in 2007 I've decided I'm done with debate. Just stating an opinion, if you like it that's cool. If not, oh well... sucks to be you :P

IRL there's no point of having a debate if it's not just for show (politicians ftw), much less on internet where debate is just a waste of time. On internet it's like this for me: read something, don't like it, leave your opinion (while being polite enough to the other side) and run. Some may call it trolling, I personally don't care.
Debates are better had on the internet than in person. On the internet everyone can provide sources and those sources can be immediately verified. Relevant information can be sought when necessary, terms googled, new things learned on the fly. And perhaps most importantly, both sides can take their time to formulate their argument properly and with thought, and then read the opposition's argument with equal care. Previous posts can be quoted or pointed at, and so on. The advantages of the internet in debating are many, yet many people are quick to dismiss it because it's seen as "low status." A cached thought, barely given any individual consideration, or its absurdity would quickly be revealed. My own personal favorite is the "special olympics" image which is thrown around with wild abandon by people who are about to lose an argument.

There is also the fact that one need not fear violence or other retaliation online, making it best to debate contentious issues online. Or any issue at all, for that matter: politics is the mind-killer, and arguments quickly turn heated.

If an university debate course left you scarred and traumatized, that's one thing, but attempting to justify your own personal dislike for being proven wrong by trying to make debating itself appear low status won't fly, especially with such tenuous arguments. And by tenuous arguments I mean nonexistent arguments; a tautology proves nothing.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Leshma on October 14, 2013, 03:34:00 am
Well, that is correct (having sources to back up the claims) but there's that one ultimate opinion of mine which says:

Science = math and everything based on math. Everything else and its sources is blah blah category, imho. History falls into that category, unfortunately, because it's hardly objective. Recent history has certain records but they can be interpreted in many ways and if you have the majority to back you up, it will become a fact... with math that's very hard to do and that's why I like it.

You seem to be into sociology a lot, and sociology is pretty much like history. Opinions, opinions, opinions... (in Steve Ballmer voice)

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If an university debate course left you scarred and traumatized

There are things in life that left me traumatized, debate is not one of them.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Xant on October 14, 2013, 04:32:38 am
Well, that is correct (having sources to back up the claims) but there's that one ultimate opinion of mine which says:

Science = math and everything based on math. Everything else and its sources is blah blah category, imho. History falls into that category, unfortunately, because it's hardly objective. Recent history has certain records but they can be interpreted in many ways and if you have the majority to back you up, it will become a fact... with math that's very hard to do and that's why I like it.

You seem to be into sociology a lot, and sociology is pretty much like history. Opinions, opinions, opinions... (in Steve Ballmer voice)

There are things in life that left me traumatized, debate is not one of them.
Just because your opinion is that science = math doesn't make it so. If you think that the only thing worth discussing is "1+1=2" because it's objective, then that's your loss. An extremely hypocritical point of view, of course, considering that you do throw your opinion around argumentatively a lot. It seems to me that this is little more than a defense mechanism.

http://forum.melee.org/and-all-the-other-things-floating-around-out-there/universe-expanding/msg870974/#msg870974

You were arguing with cmp there and even made a feeble attempt to provide evidence to back up your point of view. When that was refuted, you started spouting crap about "freedom of mind." Your way of thinking is no different from blind faith. Frankly, this is one of the most retarded things I've heard in a while:

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Thankfully, there's that beautiful thing called freedom of mind where I can be wrong in the eyes of everyone else and right in my own eyes.

You then go on to call that a human characteristic. But it is only a human characteristic in mentally ill people when you go on believing something despite contrary evidence and despite being unable to back up your 'opinion' with anything other than "well that's just what I believe."

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You seem to be into sociology a lot, and sociology is pretty much like history. Opinions, opinions, opinions...

I don't know how much sociology overlaps with what I read and know, but I'm not 'into' it. None of the big names are familiar to me, so I would assume the overlap is fairly minimal.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: rufio on October 14, 2013, 08:00:37 am
xant is opposite of social , yes
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Sniger on October 14, 2013, 08:02:07 am
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Edit : wow I just read the whole thing. This thread entirely blew my mind by the level of stupidity. I should really apply this image without any comment also because sniger said he was high which kinda explains the idiotic posts.

thanks man. i dont have very high thoughts about you either :) but i did generate a nice (drama)debate, you gotta give me that.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Tibe on October 14, 2013, 08:05:42 am
thanks man. i dont have very high thoughts about you either :) but i did generate a nice (drama)debate, you gotta give me that.

Good for u.
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Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Sniger on October 14, 2013, 08:18:28 am
oh dat crude flaming xD haters gonna hate

you see me rollin, u hatin
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Bjord on October 14, 2013, 10:28:21 am
If a university debate course left you scarred and traumatized, that's one thing, but attempting to justify your own personal dislike for being proven wrong by trying to make debating itself appear low status won't fly, especially with such tenuous arguments. And by tenuous arguments I mean nonexistent arguments; a tautology proves nothing.

FTFY

EDIT: Also, I got nothing against you Leshma but Xant is kind of riddling you with points. You got two options the way I see it;
a) Continue being ignorant when convenient
b) Don't
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Molly on October 14, 2013, 10:39:16 am
yeah well i just think that if taleworld completely ignore CRPG they fail and CRPG devs should punish taleworld by creating their own game and use the new crispy bannerlord engine :D

abit like the DayZ/WarZ :p
Stopped reading here.

Why would they use that engine when they already have their own at hand? And they are developing their own game... I mean... I don't even...
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Sniger on October 14, 2013, 10:40:56 am
well i know shit, noone tells me anything and if they do its usally trollin. either tell/show moar or expect pocket-theories like this to emerge :)
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Bjord on October 14, 2013, 10:41:44 am
It seems the NDA proved quite useful.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Vibe on October 14, 2013, 10:42:40 am
well i know shit, noone tells me anything and if they do its usally trollin. either tell/show moar or expect pocket-theories like this to emerge :)

they are making their own engine so they can do anything they want with it, if you use another game's engine you're limited by it
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Xant on October 14, 2013, 10:47:36 am
FTFY

Lies, I pronounce "university" with a vowel.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Sniger on October 14, 2013, 10:49:17 am
have taleworlds not been speaking to crpg guys about bannerlord? why not? are they (taleworlds) completely retarded?

i just think there is more to all this than we think we know and we shouldnt underestimate the amount of trolling devs can generate :D
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Xant on October 14, 2013, 10:54:09 am
Truly, Sniger, your intelligence knows no bounds.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Bjord on October 14, 2013, 11:00:09 am
Lies, I pronounce "university" with a vowel.

You're Finnish, not surprising.

However, being ignorant by choice is not an excuse for incorrect usage of language rules.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Xant on October 14, 2013, 11:06:36 am
I don't think you know what "ignorant" means. Maybe Osiris can tell you, he's good with dictionaries.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Bjord on October 14, 2013, 11:12:41 am
I don't think you know what "ignorant" means. Maybe Osiris can tell you, he's good with dictionaries.

Please no, not the dictionaries. Oh god, please. Anything but that!
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Sniger on October 14, 2013, 11:20:45 am
Truly, Sniger, your intelligence knows no bounds.

im several levels above you :)

"WHO ARE YOU SIR WISE?!"
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Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Molly on October 14, 2013, 11:42:24 am
have taleworlds not been speaking to crpg guys about bannerlord? why not? are they (taleworlds) completely retarded?

i just think there is more to all this than we think we know and we shouldnt underestimate the amount of trolling devs can generate :D
That's chadz talking...
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Sniger on October 14, 2013, 12:42:56 pm
well this ive totally missed or its been hidden away for some reason? ive been youtubeing and goggling and what not without any luck.

very very nice. good stuff.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Molly on October 14, 2013, 12:46:09 pm
well this ive totally missed or its been hidden away for some reason? ive been youtubeing and goggling and what not without any luck.

very very nice. good stuff.
Lemme give you another hint: click on the red 0:00:00 on top of this very site. :wink:
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Xant on October 14, 2013, 12:52:31 pm
That doesn't do anything for him...
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Molly on October 14, 2013, 01:00:55 pm
Umm... yes it does. That links to the info site which is afaik open for everyone with a crpg tag on the account. After clicking that and doing the click on "I promise not to tell", he has access to the infos...
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Xant on October 14, 2013, 01:02:59 pm
No.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Molly on October 14, 2013, 01:05:54 pm
Ok.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Bjord on October 14, 2013, 01:25:08 pm
Xant vs benkei! Ding ding ding, round 1!
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Leshma on October 14, 2013, 01:55:38 pm
An extremely hypocritical point of view, of course, considering that you do throw your opinion around argumentatively a lot. It seems to me that this is little more than a defense mechanism.

Not really, I do it cause it's fun and I don't need to use my brain at all. Discussing with cRPG folks is very relaxing and fun activity at the same time. Pointless, but fun :)

Only thing that matters is when you actually do something for community. Blabbering won't get you anywhere, that's why I won't put much effort in it. If I can have a nice discussion with someone I keep doing it, if not I just ignore it.

For example, I'm fairly sure no one gives a flying fuck what either chadz or cmp think about stuff in general, but everyone respects them for what they've done and keep doing every day. That's why their word matters, not because their opinion is awesome.

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You then go on to call that a human characteristic. But it is only a human characteristic in mentally ill people when you go on believing something despite contrary evidence and despite being unable to back up your 'opinion' with anything other than "well that's just what I believe."

About that "discussion" with cmp (although such thing isn't possible because of his nature), I have thrown some data collected over past year or so (from various sources, don't have links at hand for everything). Wasn't trying to back up my claims at all, just shared what I heard about SteamOS. Cmp is a busy dude and I bet he has spent less than 10 minutes on that subject. I'm following it for a long time, you can even say I researched it a bit. I have no desire to discuss with someone who put less time into something than me.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Bjord on October 14, 2013, 02:41:06 pm
The flaw with your approach is that whenever you post your "opinion", nobody will care. You're alienating yourself in other words.

Have fun with that. Also, go seek help.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Sniger on October 14, 2013, 03:06:12 pm
bjord you are immature right now

b cool
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Bjord on October 14, 2013, 03:13:57 pm
I never claimed to be mature. 8-)
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Sniger on October 14, 2013, 03:19:28 pm
true, perhaps its about time? :p
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Bjord on October 14, 2013, 04:04:06 pm
I'm Peter Pan, bitch.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Leshma on October 14, 2013, 04:20:38 pm
The flaw with your approach is that whenever you post your "opinion", nobody will care. You're alienating yourself in other words.

Have fun with that. Also, go seek help.

Listen, even if I change my approach that won't have any effect. People earn respect with deeds, not with words.

Xant, Apsod, Gurnisson and Zlisch are four scandinavian dudes who helped me in the past. I'll never talk shit about them (again) even if I happen to disagree with them in the future. That's because I have respect for those people.

You obviously know nothing about respect.

Edit: Forgot to mention Cooties. Thanks man :)
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Radament on October 14, 2013, 05:05:31 pm
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Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Bjord on October 14, 2013, 06:07:56 pm

Listen, even if I change my approach that won't have any effect. People earn respect with deeds, not with words.

Xant, Apsod, Gurnisson and Zlisch are four scandinavian dudes who helped me in the past. I'll never talk shit about them (again) even if I happen to disagree with them in the future. That's because I have respect for those people.

You obviously know nothing about respect.

Edit: Forgot to mention Cooties. Thanks man :)

I don't care what you think, but you can't say whatever you want and not be held accountable for your words. Doesn't work like that, sorry.

I've been nice to you when most people were trash talking you, even defended you when your name was changed by Meow. I'm just calling you out on some bullshit, and if you see that as an act of disrespect then I am unable to help you.

Fuck it, why do I bother even.
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Leshma on October 14, 2013, 07:30:06 pm
I've been nice to you when most people were trash talking you, even defended you when your name was changed by Meow.

What are you talking about?
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Joseph Porta on October 14, 2013, 07:30:56 pm
Dont care
Title: Re: Bannerlord & Esport
Post by: Sniger on October 14, 2013, 08:54:01 pm
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