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Title: Shield body armor
Post by: Tomeusz on September 09, 2013, 03:13:57 pm
Those shield body armor refers to overall chars armor or its just the unique shield body armor that decrease amount of dmg shield takes for its hitpoints?
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: Huscarlton_Banks on September 09, 2013, 03:17:17 pm
Just the damage for shields.

Could you imagine how overpowered +70 body armor would be?
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: the real god emperor on September 09, 2013, 03:34:10 pm
Shield body armor only affects shield's hit points ,hitting a shield with like 40-50 hit points and 7-8 body armour will be like killing a peasant, for example.
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: Grumbs on September 09, 2013, 04:35:16 pm
I read here a while ago that putting the shield on your back actually adds the shield armour to your total body armour, but only for back hits against ranged
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: the real god emperor on September 09, 2013, 04:43:17 pm
I read here a while ago that putting the shield on your back actually adds the shield armour to your total body armour, but only for back hits against ranged

Kinda , but not only ranged, it has a formula about shields stats that reduces any damage from behind, I think one of the Devs can share it with us?
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: Paul on September 09, 2013, 04:51:21 pm
if hit_shield_on_back:
   armor += shield_resistance + 10
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: the real god emperor on September 09, 2013, 04:53:44 pm
if hit_shield_on_back:
   armor += shield_resistance + 10

is this applying for bucklers? because when you sheathe them , they re not covering your back after all :D
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: Grumbs on September 09, 2013, 04:58:29 pm
is this applying for bucklers? because when you sheathe them , they re not covering your back after all :D

I was just thinking a buckler would be pretty worthwhile for 2 weight if you just leave it on your back (if the defence applies to the whole back). As an actual shield it is pretty useless though against ranged for me
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: the real god emperor on September 09, 2013, 05:00:18 pm
I was just thinking a buckler would be pretty worthwhile for 2 weight if you just leave it on your back (if the defence applies to the whole back). As an actual shield it is pretty useless though against ranged for me

There is a reason for that they re called arrow magnets :P
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: Macropus on September 09, 2013, 06:01:36 pm
I'm pretty sure shield only covers the part that is actually covered visually.
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: Phew on September 10, 2013, 04:41:21 pm
if hit_shield_on_back:
   armor += shield_resistance + 10

I'm surprised there aren't more 2h/pole players that take advantage of this. Loom something like a Leather Covered Round Shield, invest a mere 1 point in shield skill, keep it on your back, and just backpedal when approaching archers. You could have 90+ body armor on your back against projectiles this way, and it only costs you 1 skill point and 4 kg of weight.
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: Paul on September 11, 2013, 09:19:37 am
ok:

pro:
- high armor when shield is hit
- archers might die from laughter

contra:
- slower(no sprint, extra weight, backwards is slower by default)
- harder to dodge(inverted+"look around key" needed)
- archers can aim for lower body or head (no forcefield)
- looks retarded

Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 11, 2013, 09:33:03 am
I was just thinking a buckler would be pretty worthwhile for 2 weight if you just leave it on your back (if the defence applies to the whole back). As an actual shield it is pretty useless though against ranged for me


Bucklers currently go on your left hip, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: Grumbs on September 11, 2013, 10:03:53 am
I was thinking the game might give a blanket +armour bonus for back hits, but seems not. Its probably code from when back hits from arrows got stuck in shields like they are deployed?

Anyway i'm currently testing out Plate Covered Round Shield. If I read this right its 61 + 10 so 71 extra back armour if something hits the shield. So with my plate 144 armour in that area. Still nothing beats eliminating damage entirely so don't think its a substitute for deploying it, just in a melee fight it might be alright, though it weighs nearly 8
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: the real god emperor on September 11, 2013, 11:08:31 am
Hm, I doubt that shield resistance means armor, i think its something else only shown in game ?
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: nayman on September 14, 2013, 12:31:44 pm
could someone give exact facts, please
for example

Plate Covered Round Shield has
Weight:7.7
Body armor:61
Hit points:178

and

Knightly Kite Shield has
Weight:6
Body armor:31
Hit points:257

both are almostly equal in price, difficulty. one has more hit poins and less body armour. and...?
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: the real god emperor on September 14, 2013, 12:50:05 pm
Plate Round shield is like;

A Tincan without any IFs

And the Knightly Kite is like ;

A STR stacker 10 IF maniac with a Scale armor equipped :P

Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: nayman on September 14, 2013, 12:56:04 pm
 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: the real god emperor on September 14, 2013, 12:57:45 pm
Plate covered will stand more against weapons without shield bonus, knightly kite will stand more against axes etc. I think its pretty clear :D

My advice; get Plate covered since shielder's worst enemies are 2h kuyak heroes
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: Ronin on September 14, 2013, 01:03:58 pm
Knightly kite and plate covered are two different shields. Knightly kite has way more speed but less coverage and sturdiness.
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: nayman on September 14, 2013, 01:05:59 pm
Plate covered will stand more against weapons without shield bonus, knightly kite will stand more against axes etc. I think its pretty clear :D

My advice; get Plate covered since shielder's worst enemies are 2h kuyak heroes
oh. now that's clear. ty
i'm using heavy norman one, and i run away from kuyak guys)
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: Utrakil on September 14, 2013, 01:44:37 pm
no need to run away fron 2h kujaks.
don't forget your stab outreaches their swing even with a 40 shorter weapon.
example: the nordic shortsword thrust outreaches any swing of the greatsword.
high aggi 2h are much more of a problem because your shield makes you slow.
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: Ronin on September 14, 2013, 01:50:33 pm
I doubt you can outreach 2handers with a 1hander.
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: the real god emperor on September 14, 2013, 02:00:19 pm
There are few counters for 2hers , for example ; right swing outreaches all 2h swings mostly(however 2h animations still have longer reach) except the thrust , and when you block enemy thrust he will be guardless to your next overhead or left swing , also you can always use your feints against them, because you re way more faster.
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: Utrakil on September 14, 2013, 02:23:35 pm
I doubt you can outreach 2handers with a 1hander.
(click to show/hide)
1H thrust gets +61 reach.
2H swing get between 13 and 17 reachbonus.
conclusion: 1H thrust outreaches 2H swing unless the lenght difference is bigger than 44.

the 2H thrust for shure will allways outreach any 1H.
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: Huscarlton_Banks on September 14, 2013, 04:09:39 pm
Those are old numbers, you glance when you hit with a fully extended 1h stab now.
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: stryker montgomery on September 14, 2013, 10:15:29 pm
ok:

pro:
- high armor when shield is hit
- archers might die from laughter

contra:
- slower(no sprint, extra weight, backwards is slower by default)
- harder to dodge(inverted+"look around key" needed)
- archers can aim for lower body or head (no forcefield)
- looks retarded

Shields on the back don't look retarded.. and there is sprint in this game!?
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: Utrakil on September 15, 2013, 04:29:42 am
Those are old numbers, you glance when you hit with a fully extended 1h stab now.
No.
now you have 100% damage with full extended 1H stab.
before it was reduced and you were more likely to glance.
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: Huscarlton_Banks on September 15, 2013, 06:58:28 am
No.
now you have 100% damage with full extended 1H stab.
before it was reduced and you were more likely to glance.

Hmm. I guess it doesn't glance as much as before, but it still does glance.

Are those numbers correct for the effective range, or are they just the number needed to reach the target?
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: Grumbs on September 15, 2013, 10:45:14 am
Hmm. I guess it doesn't glance as much as before, but it still does glance.

Are those numbers correct for the effective range, or are they just the number needed to reach the target?

I think the numbers are probably all a bit out of date. Someone made an updated list sometime after that one, but even that will be out of date now I think. The range of a stab might depend on how you move too, and you rarely stab just when standing

Shields on the back don't look retarded.. and there is sprint in this game!?

Someone suggested taking a high armour shield and approaching ranged backwards, but Paul is right in that it would be a really bad idea :D
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: Utrakil on September 15, 2013, 01:10:06 pm
I think the numbers are probably all a bit out of date. Someone made an updated list sometime after that one, but even that will be out of date now I think. The range of a stab might depend on how you move too, and you rarely stab just when standing

I just tested on eu3 warhammer (lenght 65) stab against longsword (lenght 106) left to right swing.
the longsword won. So the given numbers must be a bit wrong.

But in general any 1h sword stab outreaches the twohandsword swing (exept for the flamberge of corse)

IS there anybody who can provide new numbers about the animation effect on reach?
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: Tomeusz on December 20, 2013, 02:18:49 pm
So shield on back provide cover only vs ranged?
Title: Re: Shield body armor
Post by: Phew on December 20, 2013, 08:52:29 pm
Someone suggested taking a high armour shield and approaching ranged backwards, but Paul is right in that it would be a really bad idea :D

Don't knock it until you try it. Sometimes I put my shield on my back and just stand on a wall with my back facing enemy archers. The angles presented by siege maps mean I am pretty much 100% covered, even though my shield is pretty small (knightly heater).

Projectiles that hit my shield are mitigated by 109 armor, causing no damage to me or my shield but surely causing enemy archers to rage a fit.