Shield body armor

[nayman]

could someone give exact facts, please
for example

Plate Covered Round Shield has
Weight:7.7
Body armor:61
Hit points:178

and

Knightly Kite Shield has
Weight:6
Body armor:31
Hit points:257

both are almostly equal in price, difficulty. one has more hit poins and less body armour. and...?

[the real god emperor]

Plate Round shield is like;

A Tincan without any IFs

And the Knightly Kite is like ;

A STR stacker 10 IF maniac with a Scale armor equipped

[nayman]

 

[the real god emperor]

Plate covered will stand more against weapons without shield bonus, knightly kite will stand more against axes etc. I think its pretty clear

My advice; get Plate covered since shielder's worst enemies are 2h kuyak heroes

[Ronin]

Knightly kite and plate covered are two different shields. Knightly kite has way more speed but less coverage and sturdiness.

[nayman]

Plate covered will stand more against weapons without shield bonus, knightly kite will stand more against axes etc. I think its pretty clear

My advice; get Plate covered since shielder's worst enemies are 2h kuyak heroes

oh. now that's clear. ty
i'm using heavy norman one, and i run away from kuyak guys)

[Utrakil]

no need to run away fron 2h kujaks.
don't forget your stab outreaches their swing even with a 40 shorter weapon.
example: the nordic shortsword thrust outreaches any swing of the greatsword.
high aggi 2h are much more of a problem because your shield makes you slow.

[Ronin]

I doubt you can outreach 2handers with a 1hander.

[the real god emperor]

There are few counters for 2hers , for example ; right swing outreaches all 2h swings mostly(however 2h animations still have longer reach) except the thrust , and when you block enemy thrust he will be guardless to your next overhead or left swing , also you can always use your feints against them, because you re way more faster.

[Utrakil]

I doubt you can outreach 2handers with a 1hander.

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Weapon lengths themselves aren't really comparable between weapon types. Animations add or reduce from the effective length of an attack. So in effect if you for example compare a thrust of a 120 length polearm (Bec de Corbin) and a 120 length twohander (Great Sword) they will NOT effectively reach the same lengths. Due to the way polearm is held polearm is from 15 to 61 units shorter depending on animation. This animation effect on reach is very noticeable especially with one handed weapon stabs. Even a short one handed sword can outrange a twohander or a polearm with a thrust in some cases. It's worth a note that polearms in general have longer options than twohanders to compensate for the shorter reaching animations.

1h
Overhead = +0
Left-to-right = +0
Right-to-left = +19
Thrust = +61

2h
Overhead = +15
Left-to-right = +17
Right-to-left = +13
Thrust = +80 (This may be slightly wrong with the new stab animation)

2h Polearms
Overhead = -15
Left-to-right = -7
Right-to-left = -2
Thrust = +19

1h Polearms
Thrust = +50

(Source: http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,9245.0.html)

1H thrust gets +61 reach.
2H swing get between 13 and 17 reachbonus.
conclusion: 1H thrust outreaches 2H swing unless the lenght difference is bigger than 44.

the 2H thrust for shure will allways outreach any 1H.

[Huscarlton_Banks]

Those are old numbers, you glance when you hit with a fully extended 1h stab now.

[stryker montgomery]

ok:

pro:
- high armor when shield is hit
- archers might die from laughter

contra:
- slower(no sprint, extra weight, backwards is slower by default)
- harder to dodge(inverted+"look around key" needed)
- archers can aim for lower body or head (no forcefield)
- looks retarded

Shields on the back don't look retarded.. and there is sprint in this game!?

[Utrakil]

Those are old numbers, you glance when you hit with a fully extended 1h stab now.

No.
now you have 100% damage with full extended 1H stab.
before it was reduced and you were more likely to glance.

[Huscarlton_Banks]

No.
now you have 100% damage with full extended 1H stab.
before it was reduced and you were more likely to glance.

Hmm. I guess it doesn't glance as much as before, but it still does glance.

Are those numbers correct for the effective range, or are they just the number needed to reach the target?

[Grumbs]

Hmm. I guess it doesn't glance as much as before, but it still does glance.

Are those numbers correct for the effective range, or are they just the number needed to reach the target?

I think the numbers are probably all a bit out of date. Someone made an updated list sometime after that one, but even that will be out of date now I think. The range of a stab might depend on how you move too, and you rarely stab just when standing

Shields on the back don't look retarded.. and there is sprint in this game!?

Someone suggested taking a high armour shield and approaching ranged backwards, but Paul is right in that it would be a really bad idea