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Title: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Lt_Anders on August 09, 2013, 04:23:29 pm
Sound Off, just wondering if people like the ability to report 0 damage hits or not.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Heibai on August 09, 2013, 04:34:13 pm
Running around, fisting & kicking people, sure it's good that we can report these guys.~
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Rumblood on August 09, 2013, 04:41:29 pm
Bad poll is bad. There is a wide variety to the different types of 0 damage hits and they are not all created equal. You may as well make a poll asking if breathing is bad without making a distinction between breathing air, water, vacuum, weed smoke, crack pipe smoke, forest fire smoke, etc, etc.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Lt_Anders on August 09, 2013, 04:53:19 pm
Bad poll is bad. There is a wide variety to the different types of 0 damage hits and they are not all created equal. You may as well make a poll asking if breathing is bad without making a distinction between breathing air, water, vacuum, weed smoke, crack pipe smoke, forest fire smoke, etc, etc.

Bad? I'm asking about 0 Damage reporting. All of it. Before this, you couldn't report nudges, punches, light horsebumps, etc. Now you can.

And they ARE all equal. not a one does any damage.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Turboflex on August 09, 2013, 05:43:20 pm
Good. Adds accountability to actions like people griefing by nudgeing teammate off ledges, or to cav who get teammates killed by reckless horsebumping.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Swaggart on August 09, 2013, 06:19:27 pm
Good for cases of actual griefing.

But when people report a nudge in spawn at the beginning of the round (especially in cases where the map spawns you in clusters and you can't move) it just makes me laugh.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Tojo on August 09, 2013, 06:22:12 pm
I like the new addition, I happen to be one of those people who picks a random teammate (maybe not always random)at the start of the round and gives them a few kicks and punches in the right direction.

With the new report feature i can now distinguish between the players who know i am just joking around and the players who have a seizure when they are teamwounded.
the players who punch and kick teammates off walls can no longer do so without punishment.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Nehvar on August 09, 2013, 06:28:02 pm
Trolls can hug your ass causing your backswing to bounce harmlessly off them, screwing you over...and they get to CTRL-M you for it.  Don't like.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: MURDERTRON on August 09, 2013, 06:41:41 pm
Nudging someone off a ledge to their doom does not count as a TK ( or a kill if they're on the other team), so you've basically accomplished nothing.  Also 0 damage team glances without stun are popping warnings now.  Perhaps some sort of proximity to enemy needs to be incorporated.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Gravoth_iii on August 09, 2013, 06:57:42 pm
Havent gotten reported for it yet.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Rumblood on August 09, 2013, 09:15:10 pm
Bad? I'm asking about 0 Damage reporting. All of it. Before this, you couldn't report nudges, punches, light horsebumps, etc. Now you can.

And they ARE all equal. not a one does any damage.
Also 0 damage team glances without stun are popping warnings now.  Perhaps some sort of proximity to enemy needs to be incorporated.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Lt_Anders on August 09, 2013, 09:39:39 pm
And, how is that any different from 0 damage punches, or nudges, or....?
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Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Dooz on August 09, 2013, 10:30:38 pm
I still haven't heard a reason as to why it's bad to be able to report punch/kick/nudge. Anyone care to elaborate?
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: JennaHaze on August 09, 2013, 10:39:46 pm
Running around, fisting & kicking people, sure it's good that we can report these guys.~

my old friends like you ruin dtv mode i punch ppl to say hello but boom reported! why the fuck my old friends? did you died? did your hp decreased? no because you are my old friend you born my old friend and you became more my old friend and you are gonna be the my old friendgest person in the world thats it
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Dooz on August 09, 2013, 10:44:29 pm
exactly
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Moncho on August 09, 2013, 10:51:19 pm
I still haven't heard a reason as to why it's bad to be able to report punch/kick/nudge. Anyone care to elaborate?

There was this guy earlier today in siege who blocked a narrow passage, and when you moved him out of the way, he reported you.
There is a guy who does not realise enemies are coming from behind, I kick/nudge him to warn him, he reports me, then dies.

That is one of the ways people are already finding of abusing it.

I personally do not like it.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Dooz on August 09, 2013, 10:55:31 pm
Those two cases are far outweighed by people who abuse the punch/kick/nudge system in the first place. Anything that exists in the world, people will find ways of abusing. Dicks are dicks.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Sir_Hans on August 09, 2013, 11:09:30 pm
What I don't get it why were even able to nudge teamates, if its considered "griefing" and reportable.

Why not just make it so you can no longer nudge teammates?  like in DTV.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Dooz on August 09, 2013, 11:30:47 pm
Where does that leave punches and kicks? Or team hits of any type for that matter. If you can do it, you can do it do team mates seems to be the direction of the game. Problem is then you're left with human judgement as to how to use it. So you create measures to help alleviate the situation, such as being able to report griefing attacks of any type, or as many as possible. Point in my mind is, if you're fucking around with friends then you have nothing to worry about, presumably. If you're fucking around with randoms and they're not into it, why not have a way of persuading you not to? Otherwise all the power is on one side with no repercussion. Being able to report grief strikes evens things out a bit.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Equal on August 09, 2013, 11:56:59 pm
I'm waiting for someone to start walking into these glances and reporting, I imagine it would be pretty easy if you singled someone to get them kicked from the server (as long as they kept playing normally).

And there you have it, griefing people by getting griefed. Great game we got here
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Tojo on August 10, 2013, 12:04:22 am
What I don't get it why were even able to nudge teamates, if its considered "griefing" and reportable.

Why not just make it so you can no longer nudge teammates?  like in DTV.

because I have to nudge my dummy archer teammates who decide that the ladder is the best place to stand and shoot the melee enemies
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Tactical_One on August 10, 2013, 12:16:11 am
Definetly good thing. Actually i play crpg for so long only becouse here are many good players , and most of them are intrested in objectives (Cap flag for example). Still there are some ppl who are unable to hit enemies so they need to nudge or kick team mates. Im simply glad to raport them. Every intentional th should be reported.

I know some ppl like being kicked or punched :) thy simply won't raport.

Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: TheAppleSauceMan on August 10, 2013, 02:11:39 am
my old friends like you ruin dtv mode i punch ppl to say hello but boom reported! why the fuck my old friends? did you died? did your hp decreased? no because you are my old friend you born my old friend and you became more my old friend and you are gonna be the my old friendgest person in the world thats it

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Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Heibai on August 10, 2013, 05:44:26 am
my old friends like you ruin dtv mode i punch ppl to say hello but boom reported! why the fuck my old friends? did you died? did your hp decreased? no because you are my old friend you born my old friend and you became more my old friend and you are gonna be the my old friendgest person in the world thats it

Well, 1. too bad you can't answer me anymore, 2. are you trying to hide your gay secrets or something like that? 3. "did your hp decreased? no.." yes I do, not because I'm a my old friend, because when I can report someone there must be at least 1 dmg done, so that means people can't report you when you're punching them without hurting them. You can notice it on the animation and the scream sound btw.

Edit, and sorry, but people like you just make me sick, the reason maybe is that you insulted 6 times as a my old friend in two rows..
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: ArysOakheart on August 10, 2013, 06:12:59 am
They added this because we peasants are uprising against armor crutching foe. Sure, heavy gauntlet punches did no damage to you anders, because you're a frothing at the mouth neckbeard. Kicks and punches did damage to us low armor wearers. I can see the laughter spittle falling in small droplets onto your unkempt neckbeard as you watch people in full plate corner a peasant (on the same team mind you) and continue to beat, kick, punch, and mentally abuse my peasants.

I will report every filthy try hard neckbeard I can with this new reporting tool, as I see fit.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Lt_Anders on August 10, 2013, 06:29:06 am
They added this because we peasants are uprising against armor crutching foe. Sure, heavy gauntlet punches did no damage to you anders, because you're a frothing at the mouth neckbeard. Kicks and punches did damage to us low armor wearers. I can see the laughter spittle falling in small droplets onto your unkempt neckbeard as you watch people in full plate corner a peasant (on the same team mind you) and continue to beat, kick, punch, and mentally abuse my peasants.

I will report every filthy try hard neckbeard I can with this new reporting tool, as I see fit.

The fuk you smoking? To much Hayfever I guess... Everything does damage to me. Other than my Lamellar Vest, I don't carry much armor.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Clockworkkiller on August 10, 2013, 06:30:29 am
They added this because we peasants are uprising against armor crutching foe. Sure, heavy gauntlet punches did no damage to you anders, because you're a frothing at the mouth neckbeard. Kicks and punches did damage to us low armor wearers. I can see the laughter spittle falling in small droplets onto your unkempt neckbeard as you watch people in full plate corner a peasant (on the same team mind you) and continue to beat, kick, punch, and mentally abuse my peasants.

I will report every filthy try hard neckbeard I can with this new reporting tool, as I see fit.

Damnit guys, the peasants are getting riled again, time to Putem down  :lol:
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Zaren on August 10, 2013, 07:04:24 am
Bad because it fails in the only form it would be good for-when ranged is griefed. Ive been nudged a number of times when I was reloading my xbow and there is no report option.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Bulzur on August 10, 2013, 11:54:00 am
Bad because it fails in the only form it would be good for-when ranged is griefed. Ive been nudged a number of times when I was reloading my xbow and there is no report option.

What ? On which server were you playing ?
That's exactly why it's been implemented in the first place. You can report people kicking/nudging/interrupting you when reloading, aiming, whatever. The fact that you can't would mean you were in an "old" server.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Chris_the_Animal on August 10, 2013, 12:26:17 pm
my old friends like you ruin dtv mode i punch ppl to say hello but boom reported! why the fuck my old friends? did you died? did your hp decreased? no because you are my old friend you born my old friend and you became more my old friend and you are gonna be the my old friendgest person in the world thats it

Things like greeting people you know, teammates friends etc you can fist, but people who you dont know will see this as annoying disturbing shit and after some hits they will report you to show they dont want it.
For me it was always great to use the ingame chat options like [Hello] and [No].

You gotta understand both sides of the fight  :wink:
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Leesin on August 10, 2013, 01:57:06 pm
I don't care if I know someone, if you wanna say hello put your weapon up or type it in the chat like a normal person. There's only so much kicking, nudging, punching etc that I will put up with until I start spamming ctrl + m because I want to play the game not be involved in some round start wank fest that all the neckbeards think is cool.

I don't ever report anything accidental unless it's someone who has "accidentally" wounded me and other team mates multiple times, because they need to learn to not be so careless.

Sure, this system has negatives, sometimes I'm trying to get out of spawn without bumping anyone on my horse and someone runs into my path or spawns in my bump radius and it only knocks them a little ( like not to the ground, just that little stun ) and they can report, but it doesn't happen often enough to bother me. I feel the positives for me personally outweigh the negatives though, now I can report all the nerds who think touching up their team mates at the start of the round is some cool c-rpg ritual.

Don't like it? stop punching, kicking and nudging team mates then.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Rumblood on August 10, 2013, 06:13:43 pm
What ? On which server were you playing ?
That's exactly why it's been implemented in the first place. You can report people kicking/nudging/interrupting you when reloading, aiming, whatever. The fact that you can't would mean you were in an "old" server.

Nope. Nudge reports are on, but I've seen where it hasn't been reportable. I suspect it is a specific nudge, but haven't had time to look into it.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: dreadnok on August 10, 2013, 06:24:15 pm
Even 0 damage can get you killed. Just stuns you for an enemy
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Chris_the_Animal on August 10, 2013, 07:04:40 pm
Urist: - changed teamhit reporting so that only 0 damage kicks, punches and nudges are reportable but no weapon bounces

I think that helped it abit?
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Tojo on August 10, 2013, 07:22:32 pm
they need to fix being nudged while aiming a xbow. If your teammate nudges you while you are aiming it knocks you down and you can not report thyem at all. I had someone doing that to me and its really a huge pain in the ass.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on August 10, 2013, 10:14:56 pm
Good, as it allows reports on the people who "V" key everyone...


Though to be perfectly honest I press M maybe once every week or three.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Zaren on August 10, 2013, 10:50:24 pm
What ? On which server were you playing ?
That's exactly why it's been implemented in the first place. You can report people kicking/nudging/interrupting you when reloading, aiming, whatever. The fact that you can't would mean you were in an "old" server.
na-1
na-3
CANT report while aiming
CANT report while reloading(last time i tested was last week-maybe a bit before that but definitely after it was implemented)
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: okiN on August 10, 2013, 11:10:56 pm
Personally I think it's great, I make a hobby of reporting all the love-taps I get from friends and clanmates. :P
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: The_Bloody_Nine on August 11, 2013, 01:55:44 pm
Bad poll is bad. There is a wide variety to the different types of 0 damage hits and they are not all created equal. You may as well make a poll asking if breathing is bad without making a distinction between breathing air, water, vacuum, weed smoke, crack pipe smoke, forest fire smoke, etc, etc.

Finally there is some guy on this forums able to make a proper poll with a clear question and simple answers without any opinions or bullshit included and you are nit-picking because he didn't explain the obvious. Best thing is your example is perfectly showing that it doesn't need further explanation. When you talk about breathing without adding more information everybody just assumes you mean air because it is the most logical thing. When he is talking about changes to 0-damage reports everybody just assumes he refers to the most recent changes.

Also the therm breathing refers to the process of respiration, which you can't without "air".

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Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Jarlek on August 11, 2013, 04:37:47 pm
Personally I think it's great, I make a hobby of reporting all the love-taps I get from friends and clanmates. :P
It's true. Every time I slap him on the ass he reports me.

Also, when I hit him ingame he ctrl+m's me.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Rumblood on August 11, 2013, 05:37:02 pm
Finally there is some guy on this forums able to make a proper poll with a clear question and simple answers without any opinions or bullshit included and you are nit-picking because he didn't explain the obvious. Best thing is your example is perfectly showing that it doesn't need further explanation. When you talk about breathing without adding more information everybody just assumes you mean air because it is the most logical thing. When he is talking about changes to 0-damage reports everybody just assumes he refers to the most recent changes.

Also the therm breathing refers to the process of respiration, which you can't without "air".

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You are wrong. There is a difference between intentional actions like nudges, kicks, and punches, and the unintentional glances and overheads in a scrum that will whiff on a teammate for 0 damage, and all of them are recent changes.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Kafein on August 11, 2013, 06:48:39 pm
Bad? I'm asking about 0 Damage reporting. All of it. Before this, you couldn't report nudges, punches, light horsebumps, etc. Now you can.

And they ARE all equal. not a one does any damage.

No they aren't. 0 damage punches don't stagger. Kicks and nugdes do.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on August 13, 2013, 05:05:22 pm
There should be a distinction between nudging/kicking and 0 damage swings. 
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Rextard on September 04, 2013, 10:49:48 am
Two melee assholes did this to me in NA DTV just a little while ago. I was trying to setup to shoot at the waves as they appeared. Time and again, for whatever douchebag reason they had, they'd surround me and wait for me to keep getting knocked down from touching them or nudging me, and let me die to the mobs, then fight. So, anyone can grief any allied ranged character they want into leaving, essentially, any server they want.

Reporting one person for that could take as much as five 3 wave rounds. Reporting more is stupid hard, because if they time two knockdowns close enough, and you're trying to play, not focus on reporting griefers, they can ensure you're screwed and only get one report between them. The report only works on the last person to have done anything.

Games should be fun, not give people license to completely waste others' time.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: RobertOfDrugsley on September 04, 2013, 02:27:35 pm
I think it's a good option to have. Significantly cuts down on RAAAAAWTF cavalry knocking over half the team's infantry to get to their ordained waiting positions. I feared it'd ruin the friendly punching between people, but I still get smacked in the face with a shield every once in a while.

The text could do with a bit of changing though - iirc it states that you've been damaged when "hit" would be more accurate.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on September 04, 2013, 04:14:29 pm
Two melee assholes did this to me in NA DTV just a little while ago. I was trying to setup to shoot at the waves as they appeared. Time and again, for whatever douchebag reason they had, they'd surround me and wait for me to keep getting knocked down from touching them or nudging me, and let me die to the mobs, then fight. So, anyone can grief any allied ranged character they want into leaving, essentially, any server they want.

Reporting one person for that could take as much as five 3 wave rounds. Reporting more is stupid hard, because if they time two knockdowns close enough, and you're trying to play, not focus on reporting griefers, they can ensure you're screwed and only get one report between them. The report only works on the last person to have done anything.

Games should be fun, not give people license to completely waste others' time.

And I've never had that problem on my archer or xbow alts.  Jump on NA1, press I and ask an admin for help.  Go to IRC and ask an admin for help.  The last resort is to take screenshots and post ban threads (so assholes like this leave the community or get punished severely). 
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Tears of Destiny on September 04, 2013, 08:02:12 pm
Sound Off, just wondering if people like the ability to report 0 damage hits or not.


It's good. While some zero damage reports I don't care about like some teammate punching me as a way to say hello (If I have armor ofc), I always wanted to report the people who stagger me when I'm Aiming/Blocking/Reloading.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: CrazyCracka420 on September 04, 2013, 08:24:16 pm
Thankfully there's not too many dicks who report me when my horse's tail brushes past them. 
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Gmnotutoo on September 04, 2013, 11:49:47 pm
Good for the ban thread enthusiasts. Bad for the community.
Title: Re: 0 Damage Reporting: Good thing or Not?
Post by: Denam on September 05, 2013, 01:50:11 am
Didn't read the whole thread, but I think it's a good thing.

You can still nudge your friends and what not, and if someone reports you that person obviously doesn't want to be nudged.

I still nudge people all the time and hardly get reported, and if they do I don't nudge them anymore.