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Title: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Prpavi on May 10, 2011, 02:27:11 pm
Just sayin....
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Cup1d on May 10, 2011, 02:31:45 pm
No. Thx for nerfing the archers
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Tristan on May 10, 2011, 02:32:30 pm
Thank for contributing with constructive and useful criticism/praise/whine.
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: EponiCo on May 10, 2011, 02:39:34 pm
Yeah, there seem to be a lot more (and dangerous ones) atm.
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: King Berend on May 10, 2011, 02:42:15 pm
grrrr!..... :evil:
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Phazey on May 10, 2011, 02:42:47 pm
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Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Prpavi on May 10, 2011, 02:44:32 pm
Thank for contributing with constructive and useful criticism/praise/whine.

This was a praise says so in the title. just what the mod needed
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Kafein on May 10, 2011, 02:48:51 pm
I agree with the sarcasm version of the first post.
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Hirlok on May 10, 2011, 03:04:27 pm
Yeah, there seem to be a lot more (and dangerous ones) atm.

not that I am the most feared archer out there, but I guess there are quite a few who do the same that I do:

after we were forced to abandon any serious sidearm and thus any chance for survival in melee, we went pure archer, longbow, ALL WPF in archery - and so we are hurting more than before. And we run, shoot, run, hop, shoot, run..... lol

so: sometimes things you nerf to get rid of them raise their head again and become even more annoying than before. tough luck, eat it.

Oh, and the slightly higher arrow speed is helping a lot once you got used to it - initially teammates had to suffer more, but now I start getting the hang of it and shooting into complicated situations or at moving targets in the distance has become more predictable.
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Liveon on May 10, 2011, 03:21:31 pm
This was a praise says so in the title. just what the mod needed

No, no, crpg need guys with heavy armor, with sniper xbow(0 WPF), the best 2h/pole or 1h/shields.
MOAR!
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: v/onMega on May 10, 2011, 03:29:17 pm
No, no, crpg need guys with heavy armor, with sniper xbow(0 WPF), the best 2h/pole or 1h/shields.
MOAR!

2010 fucking hell yeah....
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Liveon on May 10, 2011, 03:31:08 pm
2010 fucking hell yeah....

No , 2011- my old friend's clan.
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: krampe on May 10, 2011, 03:41:13 pm
2010 fucking hell yeah....

Oh, yes wielding my crushthrough morningstar and smash it into the head of the archer i catched while running in fullplate.
(After i fell of my panzerhorse ofc)  ;D
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Jarlek on May 10, 2011, 06:12:22 pm
not that I am the most feared archer out there, but I guess there are quite a few who do the same that I do:

after we were forced to abandon any serious sidearm and thus any chance for survival in melee, we went pure archer, longbow, ALL WPF in archery - and so we are hurting more than before. And we run, shoot, run, hop, shoot, run..... lol

so: sometimes things you nerf to get rid of them raise their head again and become even more annoying than before. tough luck, eat it.

Oh, and the slightly higher arrow speed is helping a lot once you got used to it - initially teammates had to suffer more, but now I start getting the hang of it and shooting into complicated situations or at moving targets in the distance has become more predictable.
Heh, the changed arrow speed is NOTHING compared to the change in lance speed. I still feel bad about all those teammate-kebabs I made... Shit was so hard to get used to :D

And yes archers where buffed in that now they are, you know, ARCHERS and not 2h/pole/shielder with bow.
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Mullerian on May 10, 2011, 06:57:13 pm
Heh, the changed arrow speed is NOTHING compared to the change in lance speed. I still feel bad about all those teammate-kebabs I made... Shit was so hard to get used to :D

And yes archers where buffed in that now they are, you know, ARCHERS and not 2h/pole/shielder with bow.

Im sorry but how is that a buff? So lancers would be buffed if you removed their horse because then they are you know, lancers, not lancers on a horse?
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: RagnarLodbroke on May 10, 2011, 07:01:09 pm
Archers were buffed?
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Nemeth on May 10, 2011, 07:03:13 pm
Im sorry but how is that a buff? So lancers would be buffed if you removed their horse because then they are you know, lancers, not lancers on a horse?

There is so much fail in that post I don't even know where to begin to mock you... ARGH! MY BRAINS!
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Mullerian on May 10, 2011, 07:17:41 pm
There is so much fail in that post I don't even know where to begin to mock you... ARGH! MY BRAINS!

Oww, how cute
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Bonze on May 10, 2011, 08:27:27 pm
thx for middle age counterstrike  8-)
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: MrShine on May 10, 2011, 08:32:49 pm
soooo how exactly were archers buffed?  Arrows do less damage and quivers now hold less than they did before.  Killing an archer in a melee fight has now become much easier with the introduction of slot restrictions.

Sure long bows do pierce I guess but they are also slow as hell.  I don't think that archery really changed that much.
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: ShinySpoons on May 10, 2011, 10:40:25 pm
not that I am the most feared archer out there, but I guess there are quite a few who do the same that I do:

after we were forced to abandon any serious sidearm and thus any chance for survival in melee, we went pure archer, longbow, ALL WPF in archery - and so we are hurting more than before. And we run, shoot, run, hop, shoot, run..... lol

so: sometimes things you nerf to get rid of them raise their head again and become even more annoying than before. tough luck, eat it.

Oh, and the slightly higher arrow speed is helping a lot once you got used to it - initially teammates had to suffer more, but now I start getting the hang of it and shooting into complicated situations or at moving targets in the distance has become more predictable.

The only useful post in this otherwise spam worthy thread (including this one possibly).
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Prpavi on May 11, 2011, 12:18:27 am
LoL quite a few pathetic posts here keep em coming
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Tzar on May 11, 2011, 12:27:10 am
Meh... after the great hybrid slaughter patch i really don't take that much notice of ranged spam like before i guess i can live with it.

But yeah its annoying when u get primary and die in 1 volley or losing over half your health on the way  to battle but i gotten used to it......
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Kafein on May 11, 2011, 01:16:42 am
not that I am the most feared archer out there, but I guess there are quite a few who do the same that I do:

after we were forced to abandon any serious sidearm and thus any chance for survival in melee, we went pure archer, longbow, ALL WPF in archery - and so we are hurting more than before. And we run, shoot, run, hop, shoot, run..... lol

so: sometimes things you nerf to get rid of them raise their head again and become even more annoying than before. tough luck, eat it.

Oh, and the slightly higher arrow speed is helping a lot once you got used to it - initially teammates had to suffer more, but now I start getting the hang of it and shooting into complicated situations or at moving targets in the distance has become more predictable.

I thought we got rid of you... Whatevs, you are a good guy on the forums and you only play siege. I don't care  :lol:
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Havoco on May 11, 2011, 02:32:15 am
It's pretty fun topping the scoreboards as a lvl 15 archer.. Lol
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: RagnarLodbroke on May 11, 2011, 02:34:15 am
It's pretty fun topping the scoreboards as a lvl 15 archer.. Lol

Topping the scoreboards? Are u playing against bots?
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Havoco on May 11, 2011, 02:36:39 am
No, was just in a  large tower with triple loomed longbow and bodkins.
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Tzar on May 11, 2011, 09:19:48 am
quivers now hold less than they did before.

All archers and xbowers and throwers have unlimited ammo...... dont play stupid  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Liveon on May 11, 2011, 11:33:03 am
LoL quite a few pathetic posts here keep em coming
...wrote a dude from  clan, where, ekhm, institutionally,any one  can't be the archer-it's not even a pathetic, it is dumppy-funny, it's only my old friend'GY-funny...
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Prpavi on May 11, 2011, 11:42:30 am
...wrote a dude from  clan, where, ekhm, institutionally,any one  can't be the archer-it's not even a pathetic, it is dumppy-funny, it's only my old friend'GY-funny...


and you sir might go and brush up on your english  :wink:
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Liveon on May 11, 2011, 11:51:35 am

and you sir might go and brush up on your english  :wink:

and you sir might go and brush up on your archery  :wink:, or if you are without talent, become a translator,maybe...
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Prpavi on May 11, 2011, 11:56:14 am
and you sir might go and brush up on your archery  :wink:, or if you are without talent, become a translator,maybe...

lol talent

<----------- thumbs up for u  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Liveon on May 11, 2011, 12:05:08 pm
lol talent

<----------- thumbs up for u  :mrgreen:
Where are your GREAT xbow-men? Any more questions :mrgreen:
This is the end, my friend, the end easy mode...
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Vibe on May 11, 2011, 12:05:19 pm
Im sorry but how is that a buff? So lancers would be buffed if you removed their horse because then they are you know, lancers, not lancers on a horse?

:)

There isn't much "melee" in a medieval archer (http://www.google.si/search?um=1&hl=sl&biw=1280&bih=864&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=medieval+archer&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=), but there is a lot of "horse" in a medieval lancer (http://www.google.si/search?hl=sl&q=medieval+lancer&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1280&bih=864).
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Liveon on May 11, 2011, 12:16:43 pm
:)

There isn't much "melee" in a medieval archer (http://www.google.si/search?um=1&hl=sl&biw=1280&bih=864&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=medieval+archer&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=), but there is a lot of "horse" in a medieval lancer (http://www.google.si/search?hl=sl&q=medieval+lancer&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1280&bih=864).
Historically, heavy/long lance only for sporadic/disposable/single use, not for spamming...
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Vibe on May 11, 2011, 12:28:12 pm
Historically, heavy/long lance only for sporadic/disposable/single use, not for spamming...

True, but unrelated.
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Liveon on May 11, 2011, 12:36:12 pm
True, but unrelated.
Really? Strongly associated with what is happening now in cRPG, when the rider standing in the one place and spamming lance- maybe this is iron-quick-hand-mutant...
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Hirlok on May 11, 2011, 12:41:53 pm
I thought we got rid of you... Whatevs, you are a good guy on the forums and you only play siege. I don't care  :lol:

naaaah - this shit is faaaar too addictive, could not stand quitting for long ;-)
Claymore now decorates the wall of my virtual eremitage, well oiled and waiting for better times, I redistributed my heirloom points to a girlie bow (for scenarios where I want to have at least a 1-slot melee weapon), arrows and a real bow (longbow, it is not THAT slow once it is triple heirloomed and you have 160+ in archery... ;-) ), and I start getting melee kills with my 0-slot hammer as well, LOL.

Oh, - about siege only: that might change... so: CU and make sure the colors of your armor match those of my feathers...   :twisted:


to the rest of the thread: "pure" archers are fiction, just as c-rpg. As are melee guys in full armor that do not die of exhaustion after a few minutes of fighting, but still can run as fast as an unarmored archer... (ok, I have 0 athletics, need my points for converting... )
Archers have become better archers on average after the patch, and they have become 1 hit killfood in melee (after being 2 hit killfood before with a 10% chance of survival).
In scenarios where archers can be archers for more than 20 seconds it is indeed easier now - yesterday I was among the top 3 several times.
In maps where it would need some sort of teamplay/strategy, like pikes/melee/ranged really playing together and watching each other's back, we are now completely fucked and get 0/14 KD or so... :) So usually I drop ma bow, grab some spammer-bec or other still OP shit from the floor, and annoy my teammates with 0 WPF, PS1 totally uncontrolled melee swings... ;-)
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Jarlek on May 11, 2011, 12:57:04 pm
Im sorry but how is that a buff? So lancers would be buffed if you removed their horse because then they are you know, lancers, not lancers on a horse?
Since you obviously have problems understanding, and the others were too busy laughing at you, let me explain. I never said it was a buff. I quoted a dude who was talking about how weird it was with the change in arrowspeed and I told him that the change in heavy lance speed was also very big (even a bigger change than the arrowspeed). I never said the change was for the better (a buff) nor did I say it was for the worse (which is a nerf and also what it was).

Then I made a comment about all the unfortunate teammates who got hit by me instead of the enemy I was aiming for, because of the change in lance speed.

Then I made a comment about the OT.

Does this make it clearer for you or do you need it put even more simply? If you want to I can find a preschool teacher to explain it to you. Then it might be simple enough for you :P
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Vibe on May 11, 2011, 12:57:16 pm
Really? Strongly associated with what is happening now in cRPG, when the rider standing in the one place and spamming lance- maybe this is iron-quick-hand-mutant...

What I was refering to was the term lancer: human, lance, horse
and the term archer: human, arrows, bow (and not necessarily a melee weapon)

If you take the horse away from lancer, it's not a lancer anymore, he's like a pikeman then. If you take a melee weapon from archer, he's still an archer. This argument goes all the way to:
Im sorry but how is that a buff? So lancers would be buffed if you removed their horse because then they are you know, lancers, not lancers on a horse?
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Liveon on May 11, 2011, 02:09:23 pm
What I was refering to was the term lancer: human, lance, horse
and the term archer: human, arrows, bow (and not necessarily a melee weapon)

If you take the horse away from lancer, it's not a lancer anymore, he's like a pikeman then. If you take a melee weapon from archer, he's still an archer. This argument goes all the way to:
And what is the problem?
Drop your  lance on the ground and pick up and spamming, like pike...
LIKE PIKE but WiTHOUT PIKE.
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Vibe on May 11, 2011, 02:27:18 pm
And what is the problem?
Drop your  lance on the ground and pick up and spamming, like pike...
LIKE PIKE but WiTHOUT PIKE.

Not saying there is a problem anywhere. What I was targeting was Mullerian's silly comment.
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Belatu on May 11, 2011, 02:40:33 pm
Just sayin....

You are wellcome
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Mullerian on May 11, 2011, 02:50:29 pm
Not saying there is a problem anywhere. What I was targeting was Mullerian's silly comment.
Yeah it was a rather poor comparison, i just wanted to illustrate that removing something useful from a class is not a buff, no matter how you sugarcoat it.

"And yes archers where buffed in that now they are, you know, ARCHERS and not 2h/pole/shielder with bow."

And yes, he did indeed use the word "buffed" which as far as i know often means they are improved somehow.
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Vibe on May 11, 2011, 03:47:59 pm
Yeah it was a rather poor comparison, i just wanted to illustrate that removing something useful from a class is not a buff, no matter how you sugarcoat it.

"And yes archers where buffed in that now they are, you know, ARCHERS and not 2h/pole/shielder with bow."

And yes, he did indeed use the word "buffed" which as far as i know often means they are improved somehow.

Yeah I get it. They weren't really buffed.
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Jarlek on May 11, 2011, 05:31:47 pm
Yeah it was a rather poor comparison, i just wanted to illustrate that removing something useful from a class is not a buff, no matter how you sugarcoat it.

"And yes archers where buffed in that now they are, you know, ARCHERS and not 2h/pole/shielder with bow."

And yes, he did indeed use the word "buffed" which as far as i know often means they are improved somehow.
Actually they were. In that the arrow speed was increased (which means more damage) but what I was mainly thinking about is that people now go PURE archers and not hybrids. You digg?
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: MrShine on May 11, 2011, 06:06:55 pm
All archers and xbowers and throwers have unlimited ammo...... dont play stupid  :mrgreen:

Unless they hotfixed it, there is a bug where you drop your melee weapon if you try to pick up an arrow of a different make/heirloom than the ones in your current quiver.  Combining that with the fact that there are less projectiles lying around on the battlefield in general (again, due to slot and quiver changes) I disagree with your statement.
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Hirlok on May 11, 2011, 06:40:05 pm
Unless they hotfixed it, there is a bug where you drop your melee weapon if you try to pick up an arrow of a different make/heirloom than the ones in your current quiver.  Combining that with the fact that there are less projectiles lying around on the battlefield in general (again, due to slot and quiver changes) I disagree with your statement.

the bug is still there: you pick up a different kind of arrow (or something else)  - drops your melee weapon AND/OR your own (empty) quiver.
Magically you find one full quiver of your original ammo at your feet, pick that up, so you can exchange one "found" arrow for 16, 18 or whatever your quiver holds of your own ammo. Rinse, errr, shoooooot and repeat....

but usually some melee guy gets me while I am still figuring what to pick up and drop and whatnot.... lol
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Tears of Destiny on May 11, 2011, 06:43:49 pm
Unless they hotfixed it, there is a bug where you drop your melee weapon if you try to pick up an arrow of a different make/heirloom than the ones in your current quiver.  Combining that with the fact that there are less projectiles lying around on the battlefield in general (again, due to slot and quiver changes) I disagree with your statement.

Depends on what you have.  Manipulating your slot arrangement can effect what you drop.
First is warbow, next is hammer, next two are my arrows of choice. With my set up, if I pick up a different arrow type my original arrows drop to my feet, I then look down pick them up and now I have original count plus one. HOWEVER, if my original arrows before drop were less then a full quiver, when I pick them back up I will have an exact full quiver.

Mainly just the two slot bows gain a lot from this feature, hence why I try and pick up arrows to top myself off quickly, so I avoid this idiotic freebie bug (which is literally unavoidable if I am running empty )
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Gnjus on May 11, 2011, 06:49:27 pm
...wrote a dude from  clan, where, ekhm, institutionally,any one  can't be the archer-it's not even a pathetic, it is dumppy-funny, it's only my old friend'GY-funny...

We'll come back to you when we figure out what your post was suppose to mean.....
(click to show/hide)



Where are your GREAT xbow-men? Any more questions :mrgreen:
This is the end, my friend, the end easy mode...

If you mean Fasader he is still here. I'm a bit busy in real life but I'm still here as well.  :wink:
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Liveon on May 11, 2011, 07:50:31 pm
If you mean Fasader he is still here.
Fasader, Fasader, wait...who is... Fasader ?
Alice? :wink:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsrfovOPcjk

I'm still here as well.  :wink:
Great, but now your participation in crpg is pointless, brainless and useless  8-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b26BD5KjH0&feature=related
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Belatu on May 12, 2011, 12:24:30 am
Derp
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: owens on May 12, 2011, 08:52:45 am
"And what is the problem?
Drop your  lance on the ground and pick up and spamming, like pike...
LIKE PIKE but WiTHOUT PIKE."

this is a quote from liveon

You are Retarded. Spamming with a lance. Wtf. Unless your definition of spamming is getting hit before you can reach your retarded. Lance is slow and bounces a lot in close quarters so if you have a problem with people using it without a horse stop playing CRPG and reload age of empires. If you are trying to say that people are able to just drop a lance and pick it up later that's kinda the idea. You sir spam the word spam because you haven't figured out how to right click yet, that's OK but it makes the game difficult to play in the  meantime.

ps. GO  :lol: :lol: :lol:  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:clan how gay.
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Black Wind on May 13, 2011, 02:40:40 am
Liveon, I assume you are terrible, and need to leasrn to play the game...

blocking is easy, 'spam' is just a rage term used by shit players who can't block.
Grey Order can suck PK's dick.
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Liveon on May 16, 2011, 01:55:53 pm
I'm glad I looked here again, and because I have a very good mood:
and  one, the only time descends to your level:) , homophobic redneck's:):

What is mean "(Lance) LIKE PIKE":
look, look slooow, horrid case of derpies:

Lance:

Weapon length: 180
weight: 1.5
difficulty: 10
Speed ​​rating: 80
Weapon length: 180
Thrust Damage: 27 Pierce
Swing Damage: 16 blunt
slots: 2

Pike:

Weapon length: 245
weight: 2.5
difficulty: 11
Speed ​​rating: 81
Weapon length: 245
Thrust Damage: 26 Pierce
Swing Damage: 15 blunt
slots: 2

The only significant difference is the length.
So the speed is (almost) identical, right kids?
How works ,in practice, slooow pike... - enough, if such noobs, as you took off at any tournament (exemple teams :Fallen, Shogunate, Risen), concept videos there a lot.
Spam ... lol
Spam, my babies... pike / lance is almost constantly renewed attack (up / down) in order to keep the enemy at long distance. Now everything is clear, people who stare at the sheep?

PS You, my little jerks/haters, can only dream about skills they represent our  the best warriors(Grey Order)  :twisted:
http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,2080.msg34208.html#msg34208

and next week, our eight warriors  polish clan Grey Order will be WB World Champions(i hope):
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,162240.0.html

And now... you can suck only your sheep...


Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Prpavi on May 16, 2011, 02:17:19 pm
oh yes, this post alone makes this thread worth opening.  :mrgreen:

its so amusing the amount of rape you induce on english language, this must be illegal in some way.

Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Liveon on May 16, 2011, 02:27:15 pm
its so amusing the amount of rape you induce on english language, this must be illegal in some way.
Yaaawns...I got it deep in the ass(hello, my homphobic friends:), mr Professor  :mrgreen:

Regards
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Prpavi on May 16, 2011, 02:32:24 pm
whaaaat?

you are seriously amusing man  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Jarlek on May 16, 2011, 02:37:09 pm
Snip
This, what? I don't even...

THE FUCK WAS THAT?

Also the stats you posted where wrong.

What you posted as Pike, is now called Long Spear in cRPG, this weapon can only do overhead and stab
Long Spear
weapon length: 245
weight: 2.5
difficulty: 11
speed rating: 81
weapon length: 245
thrust damage: 26 pierce
swing damage: 15 blunt
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback

Can't sheath


And then we have the REAL Pike (Formerly known as Long Pike, can only be stabbed)
Pike
weapon length: 300
weight: 3
difficulty: 13
speed rating: 68
weapon length: 300
thrust damage: 24 pierce
swing damage: 0 blunt
slots: 2
Can't use on horseback

Can't sheath
Vastly different, yes?
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: owens on May 16, 2011, 02:44:14 pm
Liveon

You are a choad. Ill keep it simple as we all know your English is poor. There is not much difference between a lance and a pike but Spamming with either is impossible. Low speed rating weapons that only have two attack directions are not super effective in close quarters. neither has knockdown and they are weak in terms of damage. Most cav are hybrids so polearm wpf is usually low making using a lance over a 1H on foot stupid as you. btw Did i mention that you are retarded.

Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Liveon on May 16, 2011, 02:58:27 pm
Also the stats you posted where wrong.
Yeah, May 12, changed the name and specifaction old pike=long spear ... mea culpa, mea maxima culpa ... 8-)
but look, when I wrote about it, first time...

EOT, finally...
 
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: PikeDan on May 16, 2011, 10:48:54 pm
Battle Archers are still possible with 18/21, 4 PS, 6PD, 7WM, 6 Ath 150ish WPF in Archery and 80ish in your melee weapon skill of choice, and it's a blast if you go with one of the few 1slot 2h's such as the Spiked Mace or the 2h messer, I think Langs, pardon the spelling mistakes. Hybriding is still very much possible if you plan out your build properly and are going with an AGI build of some sort.

With a Heirloomed Warbow at Fine, Heirloomed arrows and all of that good stuff you get a

Fine Warbow (or Fine Longbow, either or for me, I'm going to be finishing my Masterwork Warbow by the time I finish this gen).
Large Bag of Bodkin Arrows
a 1slot 2h

It works out well and makes you into a good battle archer, perfect for siege because you won't be forced to stand on the walls while the other team descends on the flag.
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Hirlok on May 16, 2011, 11:06:57 pm

Fine Warbow (or Fine Longbow, either or for me, I'm going to be finishing my Masterwork Warbow by the time I finish this gen).
Large Bag of Bodkin Arrows
a 1slot 2h

there is no such thing - only 1H

plus you are crippled by too few arrows and/or a weak bow (I do the same thing right now with Khergit, 2 quivers, 1H mace - and it sucks)

Sure it is still "possible" to hybridize, but worse than before and nothing compared to all the unnerfed 2H/pole hybrids that are running around etc...
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: PikeDan on May 16, 2011, 11:15:36 pm
Excuse me. 1slot 1h/2h. Spiked Mace, Fighting Axe, Langs Messer are all a single slot.
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Prpavi on May 16, 2011, 11:25:25 pm
unnerfed 2H/pole hybrids that are running around etc...

explain...
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Keshian on May 16, 2011, 11:42:22 pm
Excuse me. 1slot 1h/2h. Spiked Mace, Fighting Axe, Langs Messer are all a single slot.

Im finding those to be crap hybrids as if you are moving (footwork) or blocking hitting x to switch to secondary mode 2hander doesn't work, so you see an enemy approaching, take your last shot, switch to melee weapon in time, hit x and block their attack then swing back... and they hit you a second time (kill you if head hit) before you finish your attack because you are still stuck in 1handed mode with 1 wpf speed.  I wish you could set your default primary mode on the website like you set your default weapons.  The whole point of ana rcher havign a melee wepaon si he can fight in melee when someone gets close, but you have to stand completely still not blocking or moving when youa re hitting the x key, which will get you killed in most circumstances as why would you switch to melee unless the enemy was gtting to close.
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: EponiCo on May 16, 2011, 11:53:41 pm
You just press x once at the spawn and it stays in 2h mode for the entire round. Not that the messer isn't a top 1h in the first place.
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Hirlok on May 17, 2011, 12:48:11 am
explain...

the patch, among other things, was meant to kill hybrids, officially.
This worked very well for archers, the better xbows, and partially throwers.

But 2h/pole is not very much affected by the slot system, still no problem carrying a big sword AND a bec, pike, 1h/shield, whatever.
Very realistic, and very much in the spirit of "pure" classes, that seem to be so important when it comes to archers...
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Tzar on May 17, 2011, 12:52:22 am
But 2h/pole is not very much affected by the slot system, still no problem carrying a big sword AND a bec, pike, whatever.
Very realistic, and very much in the spirit of "pure" classes, that seem to be so important when it comes to archers...


Because 2h/pole arent ranged weapons you tool...  :idea:

Btw make normal xbow take 2 slots and finish the ranged plauge spreading from this source :!: :!:
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: Hirlok on May 17, 2011, 12:55:25 am
Because 2h/pole arent ranged weapons you tool...  :idea:

your point being? besides ranged-hate and being impolite as to be expected from a melee brute?
Title: Re: Thx for buffing the archers
Post by: PikeDan on May 17, 2011, 02:35:11 am
You just press x once at the spawn and it stays in 2h mode for the entire round. Not that the messer isn't a top 1h in the first place.
This, Press X once, and you've got yourself a good 2h that can deal with most things if they get close

Nevermind the ridiculous knockdown from the Spiked mace (Note: You don't even need to press X to use the damn thing in 2h, it's 2h 'till you use a shield, and I doubt you'll see too many archer/shielder builds nowadays.)