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Title: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: chadz on May 01, 2011, 12:23:01 pm
I came up, jokingly, with a suggestion in that topic (http://forum.c-rpg.net/index.php/topic,4191.msg82844.html ).

Having slept only a few hours, I am retarded enough to actually think it further.

I'll keep it short and simple, what about:

- A new gamemode, cRPGplus,
- it's only hosted on my own servers,
- the first 30 player slots or so of the server are open to everyone,
- after that (30/100) it locks for donators (5€ per month),
- there is no upkeep,
- money gain is slow,
- it features a separated database, new chars,
- slightly different WPF calculation,
- no level cap,
- chars and shop ingame,
- you gain money and xp 50% by killing yourself, 50% by area of XP,
- no retirement,
- no heirlooms (or maybe upgrading your weapons),
- no drastical changes to weapons or item stats

It really wouldn't be that hard to code, so the question is, what is your opinion about it?
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Magikarp on May 01, 2011, 12:26:27 pm
Do it.

Make it like the old c-rpg, I loved it so much.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Ginosaji on May 01, 2011, 12:26:52 pm
lol, do it, if you want to, but keep in mind that as soon as people have to donate to play a mod their tone will be even more demanding. And you'll sort of split the community with 2 mods.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Paul on May 01, 2011, 12:27:25 pm
I got no clue about this stuff but wouldn't that donation per month thingy cause legal problems?
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: chadz on May 01, 2011, 12:28:24 pm
Quote from: Paul on May 01, 2011, 12:27:25 pm
I got no clue about this stuff but wouldn't that donation per month thingy cause legal problems?
server password for donators has been done before. Afaik, that's ok.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Ginosaji on May 01, 2011, 12:30:33 pm
Quote from: Paul on May 01, 2011, 12:27:25 pm
I got no clue about this stuff but wouldn't that donation per month thingy cause legal problems?

As far as I know (I've done similar things, but with other games) Taleworlds could easily stop chadz from developing cRPG, with or without donations (per month). I don't think that TW has a problem if more people buy their game because of a modification, but maybe their mind will change if chadz actually makes money with the mod.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Kafein on May 01, 2011, 12:32:10 pm
Paying for an unpatched mod isn't really tempting tbh  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: chadz on May 01, 2011, 12:37:29 pm
Quote from: Kafein on May 01, 2011, 12:32:10 pm
Paying for an unpatched mod isn't really tempting tbh  :mrgreen:

looks like the item stat changes caused the biggest fuzz lately :)
It's really up to people, it just seems that so many people are not content with the way the game works. My soul lies within the real cRPG, the one with less grind and a more even playing field.

But if some people really want another version, why not.

Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: chaosegg on May 01, 2011, 12:42:38 pm
...or you could simply make about 10 slots per server be reserved and people could pay monthly to have access to "the special line/que" for them?

I like the game as it is pretty much;
heirlooms and gen bonus give a reason to play; a goal of being a unique build/player to work towards,
yet still being fairly balanced.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Beauchamp on May 01, 2011, 12:44:40 pm
i think almost nobody would play it and in the end everyone would go for the normal crpg - because normal crpg is better. i also don't think this would bring you more donations so why to loose your time with this? only to prove some people wrong?

i'm not against the idea of paying, but i'd prefer to pay for a good fun or eventualy for advantages ingame (like persistant world with crpg characters on a huge map) and not for this. i think "plus" is for something better, this should be rather called cRPGminus :o)
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Camaris on May 01, 2011, 12:49:48 pm
Tbh before you start doing something like this just fix everything what is broken atm (ctf etc.) add strategus and you
will see people becoming silent.

I cant see how splitting the playerbase is anything good to be honest.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Fluffy_Muffin on May 01, 2011, 12:49:58 pm
If this is about the tears of the whiners getting to you : Dont do it

If this is about you needing money : Do it, its your time and effort, shouldnt be free
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: cutsomecheesewithmybow on May 01, 2011, 12:51:27 pm
Sounds more like a waste of your time, an obstacle on strategus way too.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Belmont on May 01, 2011, 12:58:53 pm
I believe it is a waste of time, especially when you consider that much more people want a heirloom redistribution over having back the old cRPG (FEEDBACK (http://crpg.uservoice.com/forums/110267-general?lang=en&utm_campaign=Widgets&utm_content=tab-widget&utm_medium=Popin+Widget&utm_source=crpg.uservoice.com)). The new version of cRPG is vastly superior and to be honest, I doubt over 20 people would play cRPGPlus.
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Post by: OttomanSniper on May 01, 2011, 01:11:52 pm
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Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Ujin on May 01, 2011, 01:19:29 pm
The new patch seems great so far, just let people reset their heirlooms and move on with improving cRPG more + Strategus please.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Gatsby on May 01, 2011, 01:24:20 pm
I will not donate and i do not have voice in this then.
 I like the xp/gold system but i dislike almost everything else. Probably i would not play in it even if i find and open slot.

question: those new chars could play only in that server or also in strategus(when :D) and other servers.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Joker86 on May 01, 2011, 01:24:54 pm
If you wanna make a grind focused cRPG, but actually don't like grind at all, then why don't you make a totally grindless version of cRPG, called "cRPG light" or something like that? In your post you seem to say that you don't like the character development aspect in online games at all!

The idea is basing on my old suggestion:

Characters get an additional, attribute-independant skill which increases the maximum value of items they can use.

You can create a fixed number of characters (about 10 or so) you can choose every round as your "class". Those characters are not bound to any limitations, they are all of one max level and have access to every piece of equipment. To have better equipment they have to sacrifice skill points. 2 skill points can be converted into one attribute point, and vice versa.

This would place the RPG part where it belongs to: supporting your personal play style and the tactic you are following on the battlefield. If you win it's because of your skill in combination with your RPG choice, not because you have spent more time playing than others.

To keep some kind of long term motivation there could be some special items to be unlocked, which only LOOK differently, but don't have better stats. It's just to make other players recognize you on the battlefield, which is truer (?) roleplaying than some weird skill points and character values  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: chadz on May 01, 2011, 01:26:34 pm
Quote from: Gatsby on May 01, 2011, 01:24:20 pm
question: those new chars could play only in that server or also in strategus(when :D) and other servers.

no, they would exclusively be limited to those server(s).

But looking at the replies/poll, it's not gonna happen anyway :)
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Cris on May 01, 2011, 01:30:48 pm
Hey chadz, the current patch is great, really well balanced. - I've played my level 30 HA, and been leveling a polearm guy with no heirloom items  for that build -

Two c-rpgs would just not work in my opinion. Specially with TaleWorlds new game comming out.

Please read this:

I am not familiar Taleworlds copyright documents, but am assuming you cannot make money off people paying to play the mod (maybe pay for password as you say its ok)

I propose you look into charging for heirloom as a different option to retiring - That way people that doesn't want to retire can get their items. Money could be for you or for keeping the servers up.

Legally you could walk around copyright law for M&B by accepting payment for a change in a database unrelated to game itself (i.e you could just generate items without the database if you wanted too)

This way, people with time, or that don't want to pay, can simply retire - Other people could just pay for heirloom. Quick paypal payments are fast and secure. Maybe charge €2-€3 heirloom per heirloom.


It is just an idea that I think should to be considered, it could fix all the whinning by people that don't want to retire. Most people could afford it.

And on a personal opinion, I don't think any more item rebalancing will be needed. So a new patch to balance the main stream items probably wont be needed.


Cris
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: BlameMeForTheNoise on May 01, 2011, 01:31:40 pm
Not sure if troll-attempt or not. But i really hate the idea...
Don't divide the playerbase.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Lanic0r on May 01, 2011, 01:36:33 pm
Awesome!
Hey, but I want every month a new buff on evrythin as a donator!
And you invite us all to a barbecue when your parents are in holidays every month!
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: bredeus on May 01, 2011, 01:45:06 pm
Beside this idea, how about implementing the donation counter? eg. i need 300 EU this month per maintanance and beer?
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Gnjus on May 01, 2011, 01:48:10 pm
Quote from: Shogunate_Ujin on May 01, 2011, 01:19:29 pm
The new patch seems great so far, just let people reset their heirlooms and move on with improving cRPG more + Strategus please.

Can't believe it myself but i agree 100% with our lawyer here.  :wink:
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: MurtaghOLD on May 01, 2011, 01:48:20 pm
only thing is... how u gona deal with ping issue?? and only 30 slots.. will it be enough... :|
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Murmillus_Prime on May 01, 2011, 01:55:52 pm
I like the idea of a seperate game mode featuring super characters ect, but! There must be grind! Getting xp and gold for suiciding? Boring!
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: BattalGazi on May 01, 2011, 02:01:03 pm
I saw this one coming really. Is this a method you have invented to keep people content with the new patch? People would be made to make a decision to pay for the cRPGplus ( which looks like the original cRPG which was real fun) or the current free cRPG version ( which has been whined about a lot).

IMHO, most will go for the free version and have to deal with it, and whining will be gone? For those who keep on whining, you will say, "well there's the cRPGplus version, buy it if you don't like the free version". And you'll make people pay for a game which was announced to be "free" forever. Because i believe cRPGplus is no different than the original cRPG that attracted this many players.

I didn't find this attitude honest enough.

I would rather ask you to give your time to strategus instead.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Electro on May 01, 2011, 02:03:03 pm
chadz look here buddy if you make this PTP (Pay to play) then they will just go to the mercenaries mod which is exactly like cRPG u make a character lvl him and get weapons and stuff but you know what ?

ITS FREE
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Prpavi on May 01, 2011, 02:13:16 pm
Quote from: Electro on May 01, 2011, 02:03:03 pm


ITS FREE

fuck that id rather pay 5 euro a month for something thats worth playing and not laggy than play half finished "mercenary mod" or overpatched cRPG as it stands today.

the thing that caught my eye was my own private servers.

for me that reads no lag good quality play. unlike now.

for that reason only id pay to play.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Butan on May 01, 2011, 02:13:51 pm
If you need money, just ask us, but keep cRPG/strategus like it is, without extra things.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Tzar on May 01, 2011, 02:31:12 pm
As much as i enjoyed being and unkillable tin can with charger and sniper xbow and killing peasents it all got a bit boring to say at least in the end..

this current version of cRPG have kept me playing for longer then the old cRPG.

Also this new patch aint too shabby tbh   :wink:
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Liveon on May 01, 2011, 02:32:11 pm
Quote from: BattalGazi on May 01, 2011, 02:01:03 pm
I saw this one coming really. Is this a method you have invented to keep people content with the new patch? People would be made to make a decision to pay for the cRPGplus ( which looks like the original cRPG which was real fun) or the current free cRPG version ( which has been whined about a lot).

IMHO, most will go for the free version and have to deal with it, and whining will be gone? For those who keep on whining, you will say, "well there's the cRPGplus version, buy it if you don't like the free version". And you'll make people pay for a game which was announced to be "free" forever. Because i believe cRPGplus is no different than the original cRPG that attracted this many players.

I didn't find this attitude honest enough.

I would rather ask you to give your time to strategus instead.

Absolutely true.

PS And I think that most kids from East Europe couldn't pay for the + cRPG.
 Besides, it's splitted ppl and clans(!!!)- two games and the two categories (players).
But if...I suggest other(real) names:  richRPG and poorRPG...

EDIT: My clan(GO) doesn't play a richRPG. That I can guarantee.
If you need money to finish work on Strategus, to write it straight/clearly.
We(Grey Order) will do fundraiser/whip-round.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Corwin on May 01, 2011, 02:35:58 pm
Quote from: chadz on May 01, 2011, 12:23:01 pm

- there is no upkeep,
- money gain is slow,
- it features a separated database, new chars,
- slightly different WPF calculation,
- no level cap,
- chars and shop ingame,
- you gain money and xp 50% by killing yourself, 50% by area of XP,
- no retirement,
- no heirlooms (or maybe upgrading your weapons),
- no drastical changes to weapons or item stats

Why don't you do this with regular crpg?
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: chadz on May 01, 2011, 02:36:47 pm
Because it's not my idea of fun.

My idea of fun is the current cRPG.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Torp on May 01, 2011, 02:38:31 pm
ehm... if it is with different chars and they interact, it just seems like a small extramod..

i dont like the idea
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Lanic0r on May 01, 2011, 02:42:51 pm
Quote from: chadz on May 01, 2011, 02:36:47 pm
Because it's not my idea of fun.

My idea of fun is the current cRPG.
No i want to show evryone how rich i am. I will donate you 6 € per month!
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: MurtaghOLD on May 01, 2011, 02:45:34 pm
Quote from: Lanic0r on May 01, 2011, 02:42:51 pm
No i want to show evryone how rich i am. I will donate you 6 € per month!


k... i guess.................. :shock: :shock: :shock:
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Tears of Destiny on May 01, 2011, 02:45:37 pm
Quote from: chadz on May 01, 2011, 02:36:47 pm
Because it's not my idea of fun.

My idea of fun is the current cRPG.

Then keep the current cRPG. If you start developing something that is not fun, then as a developer myself, I can tell you that it will be slower as you lack the "drive" to do things rather quickly. Also, beware of juggling multiple projects.

Please, keep just cRPG and make it as you see fit while balancing the wishes of the players with that of game balance. Remember that Game Balance always trumps Realism.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Zoidberg on May 01, 2011, 02:50:59 pm
Increase soft lvl cap to 40 and make strategus only for donators(once 10€).
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Sayton on May 01, 2011, 02:52:29 pm
No level cap? No thanks.

I'd rather pay for cRPG like it is now.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Tristan on May 01, 2011, 03:07:43 pm
Heyo

I've been on a hiatus on this game for some months, as the primary reason for me playing was strategus.
Also I have yet to try the new patch (just a few minutes and I will), but I felt like answering this post.

In all honesty... I don't care (this wasn't an option so I chose dislike - not gonna play). If you could get some extra bucks out if it that would be fine by me. However, I believe that the possible pitfalls of doing so would outweigh the advantages primarily by splitting the community.

Focus on Strategus and if money is needed different models for player donations could be made like:

- If your clan wants it own flag donate x
- If you want to rename a city/village/fortress you own donate x
- If you want to change char name, donate
- etc etc.

 If you really want microtransactions you could expand by ingame features:
- Donate x to upkeep armor
- Donate x to xp boost
doante x to gold boost

HOWEVER: This might piss of large part of the community hence not have the desired economical effect.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: chadz on May 01, 2011, 03:14:47 pm
I despise microtransactions :)

Also, strategus will be back very soon.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Tiberias on May 01, 2011, 03:26:56 pm
Quote from: chadz on May 01, 2011, 03:14:47 pm

Also, strategus will be back very soon.

WOHOOOOOOOOOOOO  :mrgreen:
Hail the donkey !!!!
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: kinngrimm on May 01, 2011, 03:30:38 pm
Quote from: chadz on May 01, 2011, 12:37:29 pm
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i can't agree

1. people aren't only frustrated about heirloom nerf, but the combination of heirloom and xp nerf. If i would still be able to loom new gear as pre patch i would have said so be it.
2. Heirlooms are getting nerved and thats good, in that way heirloomed items are nice to have but not unbalancing even if you got a shitload of them. It is an insentive for grinders, sadly lots of people think they make them op. The more you balance the heirloomed items the less thats the case. Good players in crpg are mostly good players in nativ or other mods as well, because they have spent a lot of time in M&B.
3. 9 item slots make one hard cap to heirloomed items, who owns more, owns them for fun for style for versatility.
4. XP Gain /Grind, a insentiv as well as heirloomed items. As long the out come of what you gain through them is balanced there is no game braker. When i am lvl 20 i am mostly as good as i am on lvl 31, at least it was my last 15-20 generations that way. so gaining 4-6 lvls over lvl 31 wouldn't be a game braker as long the skills you gain aren't op in themselves and as far as i read and was told there were already several changes to skill point behaviour which solved that problem.

chadz i don't know you, i am not a big fan of donkeys  :oops: (allergical reaction to different pet hairs ^^)
but what you and your team have created here is outstanding man.
And for thst you have my deepest respect, as a developer myself i know what work is included.

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on topic
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Do it if you can make a buck sure thing.
But there will be other problems you will have and you will devert your time and perhaps get a taste of money :) and do prefer that over time , we are all getting older :)
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Torp on May 01, 2011, 03:30:56 pm
Quote from: chadz on May 01, 2011, 03:14:47 pm
I despise microtransactions :)

Also, strategus will be back very soon.

whoa?
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: MrExxc on May 01, 2011, 03:53:25 pm
Quote from: chadz on May 01, 2011, 02:36:47 pm
My idea of fun is the current cRPG.

+9000, I'd rather pay for the current cRPG than playing on cRPG+
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: chaosegg on May 01, 2011, 03:56:16 pm
Quote from: Zoidberg on May 01, 2011, 02:50:59 pm
make strategus only for donators(once 10€).
Also a good idea!
Asking for "server donations" should easily get around any legal issue also I would think.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Immolarian on May 01, 2011, 04:00:20 pm
Splitting the Playerbase in 2 sounds like a bad idea to me.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Elio on May 01, 2011, 04:01:08 pm
Quote from: chadz on May 01, 2011, 02:36:47 pm
Because it's not my idea of fun.

My idea of fun is the current cRPG.
So don't let yourself be influenced, and continues to advance even if you lose a few players along the way!
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: viktordarri on May 01, 2011, 04:09:21 pm
Quote from: chadz on May 01, 2011, 03:14:47 pm
I despise microtransactions :)

Also, strategus will be back very soon.


how soon are we talking about ?
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Liveon on May 01, 2011, 04:12:15 pm
Quote from: chaosegg on May 01, 2011, 03:56:16 pm
Also a good idea!
Asking for "server donations" should easily get around any legal issue also I would think.

And why not 100 € or 1000 €,?
Would you like to pay chadz, to eliminate the clans(strategus) of the poorer countries?

Do you have the biiig moooney, maybe go to the whores, such as 10 €, if you cant afford better...
Maybe baby, also good idea!
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: BattalGazi on May 01, 2011, 04:14:36 pm
Quote from: Liveon on May 01, 2011, 04:12:15 pm
And why not 100 € or 1000 €,?
Would you like to pay chadz, to eliminate the clans(strategus) of the poorer countries?

Do you have the biiig moooney, maybe go to the whores, such as 10 €, if you cant afford better...
Maybe baby, also good idea!

Wow, I hated Liveon for his annoying archer skills in the game, but now I started to like him :) I totally agree with you mate.
+1 goes to Liveon !
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Zion on May 01, 2011, 04:15:51 pm
Plz don't make anything payable! this would make only people more demanding and whining :p

Just keep it as it is, lots of people are complaining or whining, but mainly about some details which will be fixed soon or from which they will get used to ! And think about all the people who are not saying anything and are just fine witht he patch xD

So please don't change, just give it some time few weeks or so and everyone will get used to and will enjoy this patch :p

Also, i know u guyz devs might currently have a crap load of work to do, but some more informations about all of the patch news features would be great. Especially about the new weapon requirements which seems a bit confusing for some players.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Elmetiacos on May 01, 2011, 04:46:12 pm
Quote from: chaosegg on May 01, 2011, 03:56:16 pm
Also a good idea!
Asking for "server donations" should easily get around any legal issue also I would think.
"I should think" may not satisfy the corporate lawyers. I can see them circling overhead now...
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: KingBread on May 01, 2011, 04:56:50 pm
chadz i usually was hating you but i can see that whinners are making you nervous. I think that their voice is important you can take few sentences for future changes but as you can see majority likes how it is now. Also i think that majority consist mostly people that are veterans to this mod such as myself. I apriciate new things it keeps me want to play this game more and more. I'm happy that a peasant can kill me :) upkeep is great idea that puts me to do some decisions about my inventory which add some deep to gameplay. Also i hate you and the At fifteen, I had the will to  learn ; at thirty, I could stand ; at forty, I had no  doubts ; at fifty, I understood the heavenly Bidding ;  at sixty, my ears were opened ; at seventy, I could  do as my heart lusted without trespassing from the  square..
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Tzar on May 01, 2011, 04:59:40 pm
Quote from: chadz on May 01, 2011, 03:14:47 pm
I despise microtransactions :)

Also, strategus will be back very soon.

Good news  :D

But chadz can we atleast get a heirloom redistribution?  :?
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Sean_Drew on May 01, 2011, 05:02:35 pm
Quote from: chadz on May 01, 2011, 12:23:01 pm

- after that (30/100) it locks for donators (5€ per month),


nice joke.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Peasant_Woman on May 01, 2011, 05:20:24 pm
HATE YOU!

(click to show/hide)
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Duerkos on May 01, 2011, 05:37:26 pm
chadz is just trolling us, he is giving a "solution" for all the whiners of this patch to make us see it won't happen anyway.

What I don't really understand is if the grinding is not funny to chadz, why the XP nerf has been done like this? Now you have to grind MORE, the only ones that have to grind the same are Gen 0 characters.

Please increase the Base Exp to more than 1000 per tick, and everyone will be happy :) .
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Falka on May 01, 2011, 05:38:49 pm
 :evil:
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Gorath on May 01, 2011, 05:42:07 pm
Can't I just pay you instead to look into my missing item's issues instead?
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Belatu on May 01, 2011, 06:16:41 pm
Quote from: KingBread on May 01, 2011, 04:56:50 pm
chadz i usually was hating you but i can see that whinners are making you nervous. I think that their voice is important you can take few sentences for future changes but as you can see majority likes how it is now. Also i think that majority consist mostly people that are veterans to this mod such as myself. I apriciate new things it keeps me want to play this game more and more. I'm happy that a peasant can kill me :) upkeep is great idea that puts me to do some decisions about my inventory which add some deep to gameplay. Also i hate you and the At fifteen, I had the will to  learn ; at thirty, I could stand ; at forty, I had no  doubts ; at fifty, I understood the heavenly Bidding ;  at sixty, my ears were opened ; at seventy, I could  do as my heart lusted without trespassing from the  square..

+1
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: nuffen on May 01, 2011, 06:31:42 pm
Nah, just fix strategus and force people to donate a very small sum (2 euros?) per month to play it. Youll be richer than notch!
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Baggy on May 01, 2011, 06:38:54 pm
Quote from: Lilith on May 01, 2011, 06:31:42 pm
Nah, just fix strategus and force people to donate a very small sum (2 euros?) per month to play it. Youll be richer than notch!
lies!
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Jorium on May 01, 2011, 08:31:30 pm
don't split the player base.

Fix strategus
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Fkpuz on May 01, 2011, 08:35:36 pm
Hey I wouldn't mind paying monthly for some extra features, but this isn't one of them.  Upkeep has brought great balance to this game tbh.  For a new player, the tin-can spam was completely insufferable.  With that being said, I would probably donate regularly if there were additional bonuses like exp gain increase and whatnot.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Wallace on May 01, 2011, 08:35:50 pm
Going down this road why not just make c-rpg classic

I would donate for that
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Corrado_Decimo on May 01, 2011, 08:48:08 pm
Quote from: chadz on May 01, 2011, 12:37:29 pm
looks like the item stat changes caused the biggest fuzz lately :)
It's really up to people, it just seems that so many people are not content with the way the game works. My soul lies within the real cRPG, the one with less grind and a more even playing field.

But if some people really want another version, why not.

hmmm why the actual cRPG would be free and your cRPG concept not? i don't understand.. isn't the actual cRPG your cRPG?
and... please i wrote a long reply to yours in "varyag testimony etc..."

i'd appreciate you for lookin that.

Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: VVarlord on May 02, 2011, 01:37:07 am
Quote from: Shogunate_Ujin on May 01, 2011, 01:19:29 pm
The new patch seems great so far, just let people reset their heirlooms and move on with improving cRPG more + Strategus please.

This^^

- Heirloom reset.
- Strategus release.
- Fix new game modes.
- Fine tune items.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Ganon on May 02, 2011, 01:43:57 am
I would not play it, starting over, paying, no patches ? Doesn't make sense. Just do those changes to crpg (minus the no patch and minus pay2play). Crpg post upkeep is alot more grindful (?is that a word) than the previous one.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Keshian on May 02, 2011, 01:46:03 am
I like the current cRPG, but if people are willing to pay for elitist cRPG, why not?  Of course no one from North America will do it because the server will be in EU, so maybe take EU opinions as weightier in your decision making.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: mulas on May 02, 2011, 01:54:02 am
You will have legal problems with Taleworlds if you are making money out of their game.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: VVarlord on May 02, 2011, 02:19:11 am
Quote from: mulas on May 02, 2011, 01:54:02 am
You will have legal problems with Taleworlds if you are making money out of their game.

It already been mention that if he uses a passworded server it wouldnt be a problem.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Wildling on May 02, 2011, 02:50:55 am
I would never pay for any mod, I prefer if free2play and the playerbase set as one.
Current cRPG is slick, cuzzz, srs. I don't see the problem,  at all. Just fix the Strategus and we'll be happy.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Adhonis on May 02, 2011, 03:37:02 am
Im sorry but if I have to pay each month for a game, I'd pay for a MMO and not a simple mod on a MP game.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Tzar on May 02, 2011, 03:40:06 am
Quote from: Adhonis on May 02, 2011, 03:37:02 am
Im sorry but if I have to pay each month for a game, I'd pay for a MMO and not a simple mod on a MP game.

THis simple mod as you speak of beats just about any multiplayer game i played and im and old gamer tbh
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Adhonis on May 02, 2011, 03:43:16 am
Quote from: Tzar on May 02, 2011, 03:40:06 am
THis simple mod as you speak of beats just about any multiplayer game i played and im and old gamer tbh

YOu say it, multiplayers game, I was talking about MMOs.

Even if you are an old gamer, you cant play everything my friend. So maybe, and just maybe, you missed those games that worths be payed for, maybe...

And this game maybe for some people worths the 5 bucks, but for 10 I expect much more, so for me it doesnt.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Gorath on May 02, 2011, 03:45:48 am
Quote from: Tzar on May 02, 2011, 03:40:06 am
THis simple mod as you speak of beats just about any multiplayer game i played and im and old gamer tbh

Doesn't have the rest of the sandbox tbh.
IE:

Persistant world
Crafting
NPC's to slaughter
so on and so forth.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Tomas_of_Miles on May 02, 2011, 04:28:40 am
I am content with cRPG at the moment. I should probably have donated a long time ago. I wouldn't advise splitting the mod up. But keeping on making the mod the way you want to. And a few more appearances from Al-Adin would be nice.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: La Makina on May 02, 2011, 11:35:02 am
Quote from: chadz on May 01, 2011, 12:23:01 pm
Having slept only a few hours, I am retarded enough (...)

And what were you doing all the night long? Grinding?
See! See what happens when you reduce the XP bonus down to 3%.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Magikarp on May 02, 2011, 11:53:45 am
chadz, calll it cRPG Classic, make it work like the pre second wipe patch, I know I'd be happy.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Radix on May 02, 2011, 01:29:00 pm
I like the way new cRPG is, in fact I think u did a lot to the game balance that ppl were always bitching about. Just wait till they get used to.
About the cRPGplus I am not convinced at all. That would divide society and at some point create 5x more whine than the new patch just created. Anyways despite the amount of whine and cry posts and whine and cry and whine at the end the srevers are often full.....  All those whining ppl  whine just for sake of it and then they go back playing, if not just after the whine post the come back max after 2 weeks.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Phazey on May 02, 2011, 02:03:27 pm
Naah. No need to split up the community.

Spend your time and money on improving the quality of the current official EU servers please. Move the database to a seperate server and / or invest a bit in better high capacity servers.

I'd love to see a 180 player server with less lag / slowdown when full than the currrent EU1 server.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: kinngrimm on May 02, 2011, 08:59:17 pm
Quote from: Phazey on May 02, 2011, 02:03:27 pm
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180 player server ... awesome ... if at any time doable ... do it
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Hyroshi on May 02, 2011, 09:31:12 pm
Please please no! :(
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Baggy on May 02, 2011, 09:35:43 pm
Quote from: Phazey on May 02, 2011, 02:03:27 pm
Naah. No need to split up the community.

Spend your time and money on improving the quality of the current official EU servers please. Move the database to a seperate server and / or invest a bit in better high capacity servers.

I'd love to see a 180 player server with less lag / slowdown when full than the currrent EU1 server.
+1
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Nasturtium on May 02, 2011, 09:42:11 pm
Out of curiousity, how much money is this hobby costing you personaly chadz? Is it a loss, gain, or are you breaking even?
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: chadz on May 02, 2011, 09:54:19 pm
with ads+donation, it doesn't cost me anything (apart from lifetime :P)

the money that isn't needed each month gets saved, so even if there is a heavy drop in ads/donations crpg can be sustained for some time :)
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Nasturtium on May 02, 2011, 10:17:24 pm
 Nice, well that makes me feel a bit better, for some reason I always assumed were all having fun at your expense, I hope this trend continues!  If money is no issue, then guess my question for you would be what exactly is your motivation for wanting this server. Are you hoping to start making a little extra off of something you have devoted countless hours into? If so, there is nothing wrong with that, but judging from the results of the poll you made it seems that folks dont like this idea. It would be great if you and your team could turn this into a paying job somehow, I have always wondered why taleworlds has not offered to just buy the mod from you folks.

  This would not really effect me, since I am an NA player, and your server would be EU, but I really enjoyed pre patch when there were fewer servers with more players, instead of many with half population. If you were to get rid of some servers then this idea would work fine, otherwise I think it would act to siphon off players from already depleted ones.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Leesin on May 02, 2011, 10:24:10 pm
I personally don't think it would be that fun and just takes players away from the current cRPG servers, well, if they played it that is. I just really don't see what would be good about it, I personally feel the latest patches are steadily heading in the right direction. I guess everyone has their own tastes but I don't like the idea and I certainly wouldn't play it.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: EponiCo on May 02, 2011, 11:18:47 pm
Quote from: Phazey on May 02, 2011, 02:03:27 pm
I'd love to see a 180 player server with less lag / slowdown when full than the currrent EU1 server.

True that. I think there should be rather a poll for what would you like to donate, I guess that'd win.
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: VVarlord on May 02, 2011, 11:21:43 pm
Quote from: chadz on May 02, 2011, 09:54:19 pm
with ads+donation, it doesn't cost me anything (apart from lifetime :P)

the money that isn't needed each month gets saved, so even if there is a heavy drop in ads/donations crpg can be sustained for some time :)

How much more would you need to push EU1 back upto 180 slots? :P
Title: Re: WARNING: controversial topic incoming: cRPGplus
Post by: Casimir on May 02, 2011, 11:23:49 pm
goes against everything a mod stands for in my honest opinion.

i assume this is s typical troll.