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Title: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: KillerofFlowers on March 13, 2013, 01:42:30 pm
Does anybody know?
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Knitler on March 13, 2013, 01:44:46 pm
Does anybody know?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nginx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nginx)

They got a new webserver i think.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Ronin on March 13, 2013, 01:44:57 pm
It happened some minutes ago too. It was unaccessible for at least 30 minutes. Pings were high for a couple of days too. I'd say the server has some problems nowadays.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: [ptx] on March 13, 2013, 01:49:02 pm
Server hamsters ran out of RAM.
chadz, not being too good with hamsters, flushed them down the toilet, rather than feeding them.

This is what i know.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Son Of Odin on March 13, 2013, 01:56:12 pm
Server hamsters ran out of RAM.
chadz, not being too good with hamsters, flushed them down the toilet, rather than feeding them.

This is what i know.
I think one factor making the site be down so long was because Kulin_Ban glued his hamster to f5 causing a manual dos attack :lol:
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on March 13, 2013, 02:03:09 pm
visitors can't see pics , please register or login


cRPG developers were cleaning the servers
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Joker86 on March 13, 2013, 02:06:46 pm
Server hamsters ran out of RAM.
chadz, not being too good with hamsters, flushed them down the toilet, rather than feeding them.

This is what i know.

Actually something even worse (http://news.sky.com/story/1061558/drunk-student-convicted-of-frying-hamster) happened  :(
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Zox_Fury on March 13, 2013, 02:19:22 pm
Sadist behaviour like that disgust me.  When you do things like that you're surely deranged
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Joker86 on March 13, 2013, 02:33:18 pm
Sadist behaviour like that disgust me.  When you do things like that you're surely deranged

I guess so. I was often VERY drunk, and still I never cam even close to not knowing what I did there. Alcohol doesn't let you do things you don't want to do, it only lets you do things you don't DARE to do otherwise. Alcohol tells you the truth about people.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Zanze on March 13, 2013, 02:38:45 pm
Saulcanner dueled the website. Website lost.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on March 13, 2013, 04:39:54 pm
Actually something even worse (http://news.sky.com/story/1061558/drunk-student-convicted-of-frying-hamster) happened  :(
Seriously? Now, I don't believe frying a hamster is nice or anything, but sentencing a guy and giving him a criminal record for a fucking rodent? This is retarded, only possible thing he should be charged for is theft of his flatmates hamster.

Also, these comments range from retarded to super retarded.

" would very much like to inflict some very necesary suffering on this sick individual....he is I am a moron and a sadistic vile idiot....in the name of god. i would sincerly hope tyhat not only he gets kicked out of university, that he also gets completely ostricised . very evil man."
 :lol:

Fucking animal rights bullshitters are taking shit to far.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Son Of Odin on March 13, 2013, 05:03:42 pm
Seriously? Now, I don't believe frying a hamster is nice or anything, but sentencing a guy and giving him a criminal record for a fucking rodent? This is retarded, only possible thing he should be charged for is theft of his flatmates hamster.
And no one even knows what caused the hamster's death... It's just not like people should start calling CSI, NCIS and FBI to investigate such thing... Unfortunate and stupid thing for sure, but I mean come on...
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: XyNox on March 13, 2013, 05:07:21 pm
Tried to reach site for 4 hours ...  went to bed because life didnt have meaning any more  :cry:
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Osiris on March 13, 2013, 05:10:39 pm
either way if someone fried my pet he would be lucky to leave in one piece ^^
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Joker86 on March 13, 2013, 05:12:59 pm
I guess it's a matter of principle. Where is the line between stealing a hamster and frying it, and stealing a horse and stabbing and whipping it for a week until it dies of blood loss or exhaustion? It shows you are a sadist, and no animal should get tortured without reason.

Yes, a criminal record is too much, as it's nothing criminal in itself. But he most definitely deserved a pnishment, not only for stealing and killing a hamster, but also the way he did it. I think it does matter that the hamster has - most likely - been fried to death. Especially since I believe that even if that asshole wouldn't have been stopped, he still wouldn't have eaten the hamster, no matter how drunk he was. To me it just looks like he was drunk, he lost all the scruples which society taught him, and just wanted to see a small animal die a cruel way. I think society should show him that being drunk does not save him from the bad consequences of unwanted behaviour.

The best punishment though I that his name and picture are known now, and whoever gets in touch with him has chances to recognize him, and he will suffer from the disgust he has caused. Especially since all his relatives, friends, tachers and so on will have heard of what he did.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Falka on March 13, 2013, 06:03:43 pm
Seriously? Now, I don't believe frying a hamster is nice or anything, but sentencing a guy and giving him a criminal record for a fucking rodent? This is retarded, only possible thing he should be charged for is theft of his flatmates hamster.

and if he fried a cat or dog you would say the same? rodent or not treating animal with cruelty is a crime so he got what he deserved.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Smoothrich on March 13, 2013, 06:11:08 pm
and if he fried a cat or dog you would say the same? rodent or not treating animal with cruelty is a crime so he got what he deserved.

I dunno man, people slaughter cook and eat those things all the time, cute domestic animals or not, to some people its just dinner.  Half the time they aren't treated all that humane in executions anyways.  Hell we usually boil crabs or lobsters alive in America and probably every other country still as the preparation method.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on March 13, 2013, 06:19:44 pm
and if he fried a cat or dog you would say the same? rodent or not treating animal with cruelty is a crime so he got what he deserved.
Even if it was a fucking goat I'd say the same thing, as Smooth said lobsters are boiled alive, stop being sad just because this is a fucking mammal pet, and fish basically get caught with a hook through their mouth and then they get their brains beaten 'till they're dead, sound humane? Being sentenced with anything else than not being allowed to own a pet for brutally murdering an animal is fucking silly. Also, my way of dealing with bugs in my house is catching them on a piece of tape, throwing them in the toilet, pissing on them, and then flushing them down the drain, I doubt I'd be charged for that, and you know why? 'cause it's not a mammal and because PETA doesn't like bugs.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Osiris on March 13, 2013, 06:21:33 pm
im sure if someone stole and fried say your pet dog or your friends pet dog you would say the same eh ^^ Oh it doesn't matter just don't let him own a pet
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on March 13, 2013, 06:32:54 pm
im sure if someone stole and fried say your pet dog or your friends pet dog you would say the same eh ^^ Oh it doesn't matter just don't let him own a pet
I remember quite clearly stating that his friend could charge him with theft, besides that, it's just a fucking dog, and one of my cats was brutally severed into a shitload of smaller pieces after running out on the road and getting run over by one of those machines that are used to harvest crops.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Kafein on March 13, 2013, 06:40:09 pm
~Typical cRPG board discussion trajectory

Also yesterday I had time to delve into the joy of doing arm assembly, thanks devs :o
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Turboflex on March 13, 2013, 06:41:53 pm
To answer question...

Last night in IRC Tydeus implied basically that there was a crash, and then said the problems lasted so long was cuz their host's tech support never replied to their help request. I guess cuz it was late night EU time and nobody around, so it had to wait until next day.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Berserkadin on March 13, 2013, 06:45:34 pm
It's very easy to care about small kkkkkeeewwwwttttt animals when you live in a rich, (to) safe western country. Fucking hippies.

Dogs tough, have a special relations to humans, since they've aided us in alot of stuff for a very long time, even hunting and killing small, cute, furry animals.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Falka on March 13, 2013, 06:46:16 pm
I dunno man, people slaughter cook and eat those things all the time, cute domestic animals or not, to some people its just dinner.  Half the time they aren't treated all that humane in executions anyways.  Hell we usually boil crabs or lobsters alive in America and probably every other country still as the preparation method.

Eating cute pet isn't the problem, the problem is causing unnecessary suffering to the animal. Dunno about america but I know about many sentences against folks, butchers and ppl working in slaughterhouses, who cruelly treated and killed cattle.

Being sentenced with anything else than not being allowed to own a pet for brutally murdering an animal is fucking silly.

In Poland 2 guys got sentenced to 2 or 3 years in prison for killing a dog. They were dragging dog tied to a string behind a car till dog fell apart. I'd say it's fucking silly to deny that they got what they deserved. 

And bugs aren't animals according to protection of animals acts in most (or even all) countries.

PS Ok, I exaggerated a bit :P they got 10 months in prison.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Smoothrich on March 13, 2013, 06:48:47 pm
Eating cute pet isn't the problem, the problem is causing unnecessary suffering to the animal. Dunno about america but I know about many sentences against folks, butchers and ppl working in slaughterhouses, who cruelly treated and killed cattle.


Yeah but its a rodent.  Ever see a cat play with a mouse before it kills it?  Or what a mouse trap does to small rodents?  I don't believe in animal cruelty either but as far as legislating and enforcing it to any standards, it seems pretty grey.  Especially with retarded ass hamsters that deserve to be punted across a football field.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Berserkadin on March 13, 2013, 06:50:07 pm
We need cat-jails.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on March 13, 2013, 06:52:31 pm
In Poland 2 guys got sentenced to 2 or 3 years in prison for killing a dog. They were dragging dog tied to a string behind a car till dog fell apart. I'd say it's fucking silly to deny that they got what they deserved. 

And bugs aren't animals according to protection of animals acts in most (or even all) countries.
I could not give less of a fuck what the protection of animals acts say, bugs are animals, so are fish, so are lobsters, the entire point is I think the laws are idiotic in general, and those two Poles don't deserve 2-3 years for killing an animal in a barbaric way, I doubt the rest of Poland will be very friendly with them for the future anyhow.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: IG_Saint on March 13, 2013, 06:55:44 pm
Even if it was a fucking goat I'd say the same thing, as Smooth said lobsters are boiled alive, stop being sad just because this is a fucking mammal pet, and fish basically get caught with a hook through their mouth and then they get their brains beaten 'till they're dead, sound humane? Being sentenced with anything else than not being allowed to own a pet for brutally murdering an animal is fucking silly. Also, my way of dealing with bugs in my house is catching them on a piece of tape, throwing them in the toilet, pissing on them, and then flushing them down the drain, I doubt I'd be charged for that, and you know why? 'cause it's not a mammal and because PETA doesn't like bugs.

Lobsters and bugs don't have an advanced nervous system, so most likely they can't even feel pain. There's a simple experiment you could try to prove it. Find a bug and pull one of its legs off. You'll notice that besides a bit of a limp the bug is still able to function pretty well. Now cut one of your legs off and see how well you can function. Then come back here and tell me there's no difference between cruelty to insects and mammals.

Oh and isn't there a long history of serial killers who murdered little animals while they were young, before they moved up to bigger game?
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Riddaren on March 13, 2013, 06:57:07 pm
Killing someone's pet is like killing a family member.
If the owner had killed him in revenge it would have been fair.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on March 13, 2013, 07:00:12 pm
Oh and isn't there a long history of serial killers who murdered little animals while they were young, before they moved up to bigger game?
Guys, most serial killers wore pants...
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Falka on March 13, 2013, 07:03:11 pm
Yeah but its a rodent.  Ever see a cat play with a mouse before it kills it?  Or what a mouse trap does to small rodents?  I don't believe in animal cruelty either but as far as legislating and enforcing it to any standards, it seems pretty grey.  Especially with retarded ass hamsters that deserve to be punted across a football field.

ok, it's a rodent, but he fried it.There is a difference between killing wild mouse with a trap, in which way you prevent it from coming to your house or other buildings, and killing a pet in such retarded way. Law tries to protect pets so you can not compare these 2 situations.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Berserkadin on March 13, 2013, 07:16:05 pm
Well if you feel like a fucking rodent is your family member... then yeah, you're fucked up. Most boring animals ever, people just buy them because they look cute. He was just probably starving, and the only real use you got of a hamster is either food or as bait. Goddamnit, he just wanted some food and everyone goes "NO YOU CAN'T KILL AN ANIMAL AND THEN EAT IT"  :cry:

And yeah why solve real crimes and sentence real criminals when a hamster got killed. Call the FBI.

Me and several other kids used to put frogs on a stone, then drop a huge stone on them. I don't think we enjoyed the pain inflicted, but the splash effect was fanstastic.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Prpavi on March 13, 2013, 07:24:42 pm
Actually something even worse (http://news.sky.com/story/1061558/drunk-student-convicted-of-frying-hamster) happened  :(

Id have no problem killing this piece of shit in the most sadistic way possible.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Kafein on March 13, 2013, 07:31:11 pm
Lobsters and bugs don't have an advanced nervous system, so most likely they can't even feel pain. There's a simple experiment you could try to prove it. Find a bug and pull one of its legs off. You'll notice that besides a bit of a limp the bug is still able to function pretty well. Now cut one of your legs off and see how well you can function. Then come back here and tell me there's no difference between cruelty to insects and mammals.

Oh and isn't there a long history of serial killers who murdered little animals while they were young, before they moved up to bigger game?

Good point, I've been struggling with justifying the protection of mammals over insects for a long time.

I mean, it is inconceivable that we may be writing laws on animal protection based on antropomorphism, emotions and levels of cuteness.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on March 13, 2013, 07:31:45 pm
Me and several other kids used to put frogs on a stone, then drop a huge stone on them. I don't think we enjoyed the pain inflicted, but the splash effect was fanstastic.
As a lover of frogs that makes me sad, doesn't mean I think you should be sentenced for anything.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: IG_Saint on March 13, 2013, 07:36:32 pm
Guys, most serial killers wore pants...

Oh what a strong comeback zlisch, posting a witty comment about half my post to disguise the fact that you're full of shit and have no idea what you're talking about.

Luckily I have actual science backing me up. Try looking up the Macdonald triad. Or any of the hundreds of papers written on the link between animal cruelty and homicidial tendencies. The same goes for the first part of my post: It has actual science backing it up.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Lemmy_Winks on March 13, 2013, 07:51:36 pm
Zlisch I can only assume your some sort of fundamentalist Christian, as this whole belief that Humans are deserving of more respect than OTHER animals (yes we are animals too) is rooted completely in Judaism/Christianity (which has influenced American cultural beliefs) and has no foundation in actual science. What makes us deserving of more respect than a dog, is it because we are more intelligent than they are? By that logic should we kill the mentally challenged becuase they are less intelligent than the rest of us? Dogs certainly feel pain and have the same emotions we do, they are 95% genetically identical to us. And once the next iteration of humans comes around should we resign ourselves to be killed because they are "better" than us?

There is nothing different from a human or another animal, unless you believe that we are somehow special because we have souls and that God chose us to reign over the animals of the earth, if you actually believe that nonsense. This whole ignorant general concept that we are somehow better and deserving of more respect than other animals is based on 2 thousand year old scriptures, these assumptions that animals dont have emotions or cant feel pain or cant even think have been dis-proven a long time ago (these beliefs are completly retarded anyways, they have a nervous system and a brain wonder what that is for). Yes there is hypocrisy with people caring more about dogs than cows for example, I think whats being done to cows is wrong and should stop, i do not eat meat. This whole thing is kind of like slavery, how people used Christianity and the same argument to justify the enslavement of a race of people that were not considered worthy of respect, because they where not as developed as other people or maybe where not seen as intelligent or civilized.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on March 13, 2013, 08:03:44 pm
Oh what a strong comeback zlisch, posting a witty comment about half my post to disguise the fact that you're full of shit and have no idea what you're talking about.

Luckily I have actual science backing me up. Try looking up the Macdonald triad. Or any of the hundreds of papers written on the link between animal cruelty and homicidial tendencies. The same goes for the first part of my post: It has actual science backing it up.
To the first part, I didn't bother responding, because as I've already stated, insects (are still animals, and they) aren't the only animals secluded from the whole rights thingy, are you gonna claim fish don't feel pain either?

And regarding that serial killers often enjoy torturing animals so all animal torturers are gonna become serial killers joke of an argument, that shit is to retarded to make a serious reply against it, why don't you go write long essays about how violent video games cause kids to shot up schools 'cause basically all school shootings have involved kids who have at some point in their life played violent video games?
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: ArysOakheart on March 13, 2013, 08:05:58 pm
So after browsing through this thread, it chadz who fried the hamster that was responsible for spinning the cRPG wheel.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Son Of Odin on March 13, 2013, 08:07:11 pm
Are we slowly mutating this thread into gun control topic, or is it just my spidey sense being wrong? :mrgreen:
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Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Teeth on March 13, 2013, 08:09:48 pm
It's a hamster, fucking hippies these days. Killing rats with poison never got anyone a criminal record and rats are more intelligent creatures, that is a damn painful death, that is for sure. I do not condone this behaviour, but chill the fuck out.

Zlisch I can only assume your some sort of fundamentalist Christian, as this whole belief that Humans are deserving of more respect than OTHER animals (yes we are animals too) is rooted completely in Judaism/Christianity (which has influenced American cultural beliefs) and has no foundation in actual science. What makes us deserving of more respect than a dog, is it because we are more intelligent than they are? By that logic should we kill the mentally challenged becuase they are less intelligent than the rest of us? Dogs certainly feel pain and have the same emotions we do, they are 95% genetically identical to us. And once the next iteration of humans comes around should we resign ourselves to be killed because they are "better" than us?

There is nothing different from a human or another animal, unless you believe that we are somehow special because we have souls and that God chose us to reign over the animals of the earth, if you actually believe that nonsense. This whole ignorant general concept that we are somehow better and deserving of more respect than other animals is based on 2 thousand year old scriptures, these assumptions that animals dont have emotions or cant feel pain or cant even think have been dis-proven a long time ago (these beliefs are completly retarded anyways, they have a nervous system and a brain wonder what that is for). Yes there is hypocrisy with people caring more about dogs than cows for example, I think whats being done to cows is wrong and should stop, i do not eat meat. This whole thing is kind of like slavery, how people used Christianity and the same argument to justify the enslavement of a race of people that were not considered worthy of respect, because they where not as developed as other people or maybe where not seen as intelligent or civilized.
Killing a musquito must be an enormous mental struggle for you. There is an undeniable enormous gap between humans and other animals, which is large enough for me to have different standards for humans and any animal, devoid of any religious arguments. Humans > animals, you don't have to be a religious for that at all.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Smoothrich on March 13, 2013, 08:11:01 pm
Humans > animals, you don't have to be a religious for that at all.

And that's why humans are the ultimate game.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on March 13, 2013, 08:16:49 pm
Zlisch I can only assume your some sort of fundamentalist Christian, as this whole belief that Humans are deserving of more respect than OTHER animals (yes we are animals too) is rooted completely in Judaism/Christianity (which has influenced American cultural beliefs) and has no foundation in actual science. What makes us deserving of more respect than a dog, is it because we are more intelligent than they are? By that logic should we kill the mentally challenged becuase they are less intelligent than the rest of us? Dogs certainly feel pain and have the same emotions we do, they are 95% genetically identical to us. And once the next iteration of humans comes around should we resign ourselves to be killed because they are "better" than us?

There is nothing different from a human or another animal, unless you believe that we are somehow special because we have souls and that God chose us to reign over the animals of the earth, if you actually believe that nonsense. This whole ignorant general concept that we are somehow better and deserving of more respect than other animals is based on 2 thousand year old scriptures, these assumptions that animals dont have emotions or cant feel pain or cant even think have been dis-proven a long time ago (these beliefs are completly retarded anyways, they have a nervous system and a brain wonder what that is for). Yes there is hypocrisy with people caring more about dogs than cows for example, I think whats being done to cows is wrong and should stop, i do not eat meat. This whole thing is kind of like slavery, how people used Christianity and the same argument to justify the enslavement of a race of people that were not considered worthy of respect, because they where not as developed as other people or maybe where not seen as intelligent or civilized.
I'm totally a catholic, for real, god blessed my soul and I'm special. Also your PETA vegetarian elitist eating meat is wrong bullshit is a fucking joke, I never for one second claimed animals don't feel pain, but ok, and finally, comparing "animal cruelty" to slavery is beyond idiotic.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Smoothrich on March 13, 2013, 08:23:49 pm
I'm turning the corner to be a vegetarian myself, and a lot of it is because I feel empathetic with many animals and find our treatment of them in slaughterhouses and forcefeeding ducks and chickens corn syrup through hoses until they explode and stuff like that simply disgusting.

Just as far as this example here.  Killing a hamster and frying it in a pan.  Maybe he killed it before.  Maybe he cooked it alive.  Fuck at least he was cooking his own food and dealing with the consequences of killing animals instead of having faceless corporations butcher millions of animals en masse bred and killed only for precious meats pumped with corn meal.

If anything, that's probably why he is getting sued or arrested.  Because some big business didn't get a profit off HIS version of animal cruelty, and all he got was lunch.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Lemmy_Winks on March 13, 2013, 08:25:15 pm
Killing a musquito must be an enormous mental struggle for you. There is an undeniable enormous gap between humans and other animals, which is large enough for me to have different standards for humans and any animal, devoid of any religious arguments. Humans > animals, you don't have to be a religious for that at all.

I was not referring to mosquitos or insects, i was referring to more complex animals, mammals more specifically. At any rate what is your rational for this belief of there being an "enormous gap between humans and other animals". Do you have one, do you even know why you believe this? And my point to an extent was yest you may not be religous, but many of your ethical beliefs, apparently this one included, directly come from the religions that helped to shape your societies moral beliefs, Judaism and Christianity as i have mentioned. So it does not matter if you are a christian, you as well as many others still hold their beliefs anyways. Looking at a human, are we more intelligent than most other species, yes we are, btu we are physically weaker than most, and we might not be the most intelligent scientists are not in agreement if we are more intelligent than dolphins or not, their  brains are certainly larger and more complex though, not that attributes are any marker for what makes an organism deserving of respect. And my whole point with this is not that killing animals itself is wrong, if you absolutely have to for food or another reason ok, but to think that they are such trash that you can torture them or kill them for your own personal amusement is completely wrong. So ya what actual reason do you have for your beliefs? And if it is attribute based does that mean you belief you are better than other people who you surpass in regard to this attribute?

finally, comparing "animal cruelty" to slavery is beyond idiotic.

Same question to you Zilsch, explain your beliefs here. I would think the torture and killing of somethign would be worse than enslaving it, so how is the comparison idioitc? Again you could only think this if you believed humans where somehow special, so why do you believe that? Its always good to explain your rationale when making na argument, and believing something and not knowing why certanly isnt good.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: IG_Saint on March 13, 2013, 08:27:26 pm
To the first part, I didn't bother responding, because as I've already stated, insects (are still animals, and they) aren't the only animals secluded from the whole rights thingy, are you gonna claim fish don't feel pain either?

And regarding that serial killers often enjoy torturing animals so all animal torturers are gonna become serial killers joke of an argument, that shit is to retarded to make a serious reply against it, why don't you go write long essays about how violent video games cause kids to shot up schools 'cause basically all school shootings have involved kids who have at some point in their life played violent video games?

I never made any actual statement about animal rights. You're the one who suggested that hurting insects and lobsters is the same as hurting a mammal. I just corrected you by pointing out that no, it's not the same, since they don't feel pain (or at the very least don't perceive pain in the same ways that mammals do), because of the whole "not having a central nervous system" thing.

And I never said: "serial killers often enjoy torturing animals so all animal torturers are gonna become serial killers". I simply stated that there is "a long history of serial killers who murdered little animals while they were young, before they moved up to bigger game." And I'm 100% correct in that. You're the one who responded to that by claiming that wearing pants turns you into a serial killer. Don't blame me for your own idiotic tendencies. Learn to read and stop trying to twist my words to mean whatever the fuck you want.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Smoothrich on March 13, 2013, 08:29:11 pm
Dogs seem pretty smart.  Look at those fuckers when they chase down a bird or rabbit or something similar though.  They hunt it and kill it all while being playful as hell and not taking it serious.  Cuz of instinct and breeding and training and just a general sense of "who gives a fuck lol fuck rabbits."

Some people work the same way I'm sure.  Don't ascribe your world view to everyone as the only correct one, especially if your argument is that humans are animals so we are no better then other animals thus its wrong to do harm to them.  Since animals do nothing but fuck each other over all the time as it is.  Even or especially the intelligent ones.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Son Of Odin on March 13, 2013, 08:31:30 pm
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Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on March 13, 2013, 08:36:05 pm
I never made any actual statement about animal rights. You're the one who suggested that hurting insects and lobsters is the same as hurting a mammal. I just corrected you by pointing out that no, it's not the same, since they don't feel pain (or at the very least don't perceive pain in the same ways that mammals do), because of the whole "not having a central nervous system" thing.
Well in that case I apologize for assuming that you're one of these "you can't hurt mammals!! Mammals got souls!! Fish and insects have no souls!! SOULS!!" people.
And I never said: "serial killers often enjoy torturing animals so all animal torturers are gonna become serial killers". I simply stated that there is "a long history of serial killers who murdered little animals while they were young, before they moved up to bigger game." And I'm 100% correct in that. You're the one who responded to that by claiming that wearing pants turns you into a serial killer. Don't blame me for your own idiotic tendencies. Learn to read and stop trying to twist my words to mean whatever the fuck you want.
You're twisting my words, all I said was that serial killers mostly wore pants at some point, we're both twisting each others words equally.
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Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Lemmy_Winks on March 13, 2013, 08:36:52 pm
Dogs seem pretty smart.  Look at those fuckers when they chase down a bird or rabbit or something similar though.  They hunt it and kill it all while being playful as hell and not taking it serious.  Cuz of instinct and breeding and training and just a general sense of "who gives a fuck lol fuck rabbits."

Some people work the same way I'm sure.  Don't ascribe your world view to everyone as the only correct one, especially if your argument is that humans are animals so we are no better then other animals thus its wrong to do harm to them.  Since animals do nothing but fuck each other over all the time as it is.  Even or especially the intelligent ones.

Yes animals kill one another for food, there is nothing wrong with that, obviously. Ive been reffering to a comment made about how it was stupid that some polish guys where sent to jail for toruting and killing a dog. Killing for food or self defense is fine if need be, killing for no real reason is not.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Zlisch_The_Butcher on March 13, 2013, 08:41:11 pm
Yes animals kill one another for food, there is nothing wrong with that, obviously. Ive been reffering to a comment made about how it was stupid that some polish guys where sent to jail for toruting and killing a dog. Killing for food or self defense is fine if need be, killing for no real reason is not.
Ever seen a cat before? Cats often kill smaller animals, don't really eat any part of them, just kill them and drag the corpse over to their owner.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Falka on March 13, 2013, 08:41:25 pm
It's a hamster, fucking hippies these days.

Seems like judge in that case was a hippie as well.

There is an undeniable enormous gap between humans and other animals, which is large enough for me to have different standards for humans and any animal, devoid of any religious arguments. Humans > animals, you don't have to be a religious for that at all.

Meh, lions dont have to be superior to antelope to kill and eat them, the same with humans. There is no need to come with this "Humans > animals" shit to justify killing other animals. We're carnivores, simple as that. But as we are also so civilized, have ethical systems and so on we should restrain from unnecessary hurting other animals. If someone is retarded enough to not know it, law enforcement have to step up to stop or punish him.

SOULS

Retarded religious fairy tales about having souls. I've never seen one, probably doesn't exist just like god and all other shit desribed in holy books.

 
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Smoothrich on March 13, 2013, 08:41:36 pm
Yes animals kill one another for food, there is nothing wrong with that, obviously. Ive been reffering to a comment made about how it was stupid that some polish guys where sent to jail for toruting and killing a dog.

Thing is, they do it not just for food, but to troll plenty.  Or for territory.  Mating rights.  While hitting puberty.  Maybe they were molested as kid by their gay dumb animal uncles.

Many animals simply don't have much reverence for life.  Even their own children.  Let alone an animal so inferior to them in social or mental development.  Much like how a human would see a rodent.  You have to imply that humans ARE better then animals to say that humans need a higher standard compared to lets say, a house cat torturing the fuck out of a mouse it captures before finally chewing its head off.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Berserkadin on March 13, 2013, 08:44:07 pm
So killing stuff is okey, BUT OH MY GOD ASLONG AS THEY DON'T FEEL PAIN!!! Like that matters. After the animal is dead, all past experiences dies with it.

Gotta agree with Smoothrich too, hunting and killing your own food is so much more "humane"(and manlier). But that's capitalism for ya'll, nothings off value except for economical growth and profit.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: IG_Saint on March 13, 2013, 08:49:45 pm
Well in that case I apologize for assuming that you're one of these "you can't hurt mammals!! Mammals got souls!! Fish and insects have no souls!! SOULS!!" people.

Fair enough and I actually sort of agree with you on your animal rights stance.

You're twisting my words, all I said was that serial killers mostly wore pants at some point, we're both twisting each others words equally.

And fair enough, though I could quibble about the "equally" part.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: [ptx] on March 13, 2013, 08:51:14 pm
So, i started this debacle with... this?

Server hamsters ran out of RAM.
chadz, not being too good with hamsters, flushed them down the toilet, rather than feeding them.

This is what i know.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Lemmy_Winks on March 13, 2013, 08:52:45 pm
Thing is, they do it not just for food, but to troll plenty.  Or for territory.  Mating rights.  While hitting puberty.  Maybe they were molested as kid by their gay dumb animal uncles.

Many animals simply don't have much reverence for life.  Even their own children.  Let alone an animal so inferior to them in social or mental development.  Much like how a human would see a rodent.  You have to imply that humans ARE better then animals to say that humans need a higher standard compared to lets say, a house cat torturing the fuck out of a mouse it captures before finally chewing its head off.

As i have said numerous times, intelligence or any other attribute is not a marker for determining the respect an organism should be shown. Are we more intelligent than other animals, as i have said yes, that being the case there is no reason to think we could not have a "higher standard", it doesnt make us better than them or more deserving of respect. In fact it would be expected in most cases, you would expect an educated person to be less violent and more respectful than a poor uneducated person, you expect this but it does not make the more educated person more desrving of respect. Yes one animal killing another can be a violent thing, and im really not sure where all this cat tortue stuff is coming from, an animal killing one other animal is violent yes, but its for a reason still.

And as ive said killing or harm is fine in needed circumstances, you have simply listed more of them like terrority for example which is important. Its easy to think animals dont have much reverence for life given the amount of violence in nature, its all for a reason. And if you percieve a cat killing a mouse as tortuing it or playing with it, does that mean its ok for us to do the same? No it doesnt, jsut like someone who grew up in a bad enviornment and is therefore prone to violence, doesnt mean its ok for you to do it.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Butan on March 13, 2013, 08:59:11 pm
Open cRPG forum.


Read "What happened to the site yesterday?". Goes last page.

Read : Fair enough and I actually sort of agree with you on your animal rights stance.


Close thread.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Zox_Fury on March 13, 2013, 08:59:28 pm
Teeth said that Humans are superior to animals ... let me laugh please ...

Actually most of Humans are so inferior. Look what they did for the illusion of the power it s just pathetic.. And worst look what they did to the earth ...

Others animals live in harmony with nature when Humans killed for some bucks (only fuckin papers ) or more power or to steal ressources.

Woaw what an intelligent specimen.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Smoothrich on March 13, 2013, 09:09:19 pm
Teeth said that Humans are superior to animals ... let me laugh please ...

Actually most of Humans are so inferior. Look what they did for the illusion of the power it s just pathetic.. And worst look what they did to the earth ...

Others animals live in harmony with nature when Humans killed for some bucks (only fuckin papers ) or more power or to steal ressources.

Woaw what an intelligent specimen.

To be fair, lots of aboriginal groups found much more harmony with nature.  Especially hunter/gatherer tribes with mild/non-existent agriculture and more nomadic lifestyles.  See the patchwork governments that covered the American continent (Native Americans) before Europeans showed up.  Relatively serene with nature, no industry or overpopulation.  Lots of brutal wars though against each other.  Vicious, ritualistic infighting over random bullshit like grazing grounds that turned into chopping off people's dicks and shoving them in their mouths.  Stuff Japanese seemed to enjoy quite a bit too.

So basically, white people are the worst as far as exploiting nature, animals, and resources are concerned.  Asians, africans, and other aboriginal groups are the worst as far as mutilating peoples genitals and acting like actual animals.

And pigs are all intelligent, playful animals who love having fun like dogs.  And they are basically tortured and slaughtered en masse by the factory full every day to make people's bacon.  If you don't have a problem with that, how can you have a problem with a dude frying up a hamster?
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Falka on March 13, 2013, 09:23:32 pm
And pigs are all intelligent, playful animals who love having fun like dogs.  And they are basically tortured and slaughtered en masse by the factory full every day to make people's bacon.  If you don't have a problem with that, how can you have a problem with a dude frying up a hamster?

Killing pigs for food is ok, killing hamster in a cruel way for fun - not ok. Got it?
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: [ptx] on March 13, 2013, 09:44:12 pm
Me, reading this thread:
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Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Son Of Odin on March 13, 2013, 09:45:46 pm
Should probably change the title "What the fuck happened to this site today?"
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Armpit_Sweat on March 13, 2013, 09:51:38 pm
Here is an off-topic question:

You wake up and see this:

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Your reaction in 1 picture please.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Falka on March 13, 2013, 09:55:30 pm
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Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Son Of Odin on March 13, 2013, 09:55:49 pm
Here is an off-topic question:

You wake up and see this:

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Your reaction in 1 picture please.
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Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Kafein on March 14, 2013, 12:38:32 am
Mandatory

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(about the thread of course)

Also we kill animals for "food" but we don't actually need to. Then again, "need" is an indefinable notion in this context (and that last sentence sounds like a compiler error).

But I reckon this is not the subject of this thread anymore.


Finally, I hereby formulate the 10th law of cRPG threads : when the post count tends to infinity, the probability of the discussion being at some point about how the discussion subject changed tends to one.
Title: Re: What happened to the site yesterday?
Post by: Malaclypse on March 14, 2013, 12:52:43 am
Seriously? Now, I don't believe frying a hamster is nice or anything, but sentencing a guy and giving him a criminal record for a fucking rodent? This is retarded, only possible thing he should be charged for is theft of his flatmates hamster.

When it comes to having a central nervous system, and the ability to feel pain, hunger, and thirst, a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy. Something Ingrid said once, and I have to agree. We shouldn't take anyone causing intentional suffering lightly, whether it's to a human or a mammal or a bird or what have you.

If he had broken the things neck quickly and then fried it, I'd feel differently, as people eat all sorts of animals on a regular basis- I just expect them to avoid unnecessary suffering for the creature in question. The fact is that dude somehow found it okay to forego that, as well as skinning it, during the whole frying process. That seems like a red flag to me. Someone who enjoys causing pain to animals for the sake of causing pain isn't anyone I'd trust around humans either. Or, alternatively, someone who won't control their drinking to the point where they're capable of doing things like this without any forethought is someone I'd want nothing to do with.